Why the heck does AIPAC exist at all?

[Skidmore]

I don't see it as a charity or a group to help get aid of any sort for Israel. It is a policy making group with allegiance to another nation. Why does it have so much power and influence.

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[wakeme2008]

2. I thought Jackie boy ran Congress

:rofl:

[Scurrilous]

15. Boehner says he won’t let anti-Israel laws through

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"The new Republican majority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives said he would never allow anti-Israel legislation come to the floor.

“As the new House majority leader, I can assure you that under my leadership, legislation that is in any way perceived as anti-Israel will not be considered in the House of Representatives,” Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) told the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference, to thunderous applause.

Boehner’s address Monday to 5,000 activists at the AIPAC conference in Washington was his first major foreign policy speech since his fellow Republican legislators elected him on Feb. 3. Boehner was elected after Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) stepped down in the wake of his indictment on charges related to campaign fund-raising."

http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=1669

[leveymg]

3. It's a front for espionage, and the 1st Bank of Capitol Hill

Those bearing classified materials, please go to the commercial teller. No waiting. :bounce:

[H2O Man]

4. It would seem

that it should have to register as what it is -- an organization that represents a foreign country, and advocates a policy that is separate from US policy -- and to make public the records of the amount of money it invests in American politics.

[leveymg]

5. At the very least.

I would also like to see the FBI release a transcript of all the tapes it has recorded over the years of AIPAC lobbyists doing "business" with American lawmakers.

Now, that would be a public service.

On edit: Of course, I'd want to see the same from the Saudis.

[H2O Man]

6. Yes, it would.

Let's have a level playing field. Put the cards on the table. If AIPAC is doing things above board, they have nothing to hide. But we know that at least a couple high-ranking AIPAC officials were breaking the law. When crimes are committed, there need to be consequences.

[leveymg]

7. You know that something REALLY bad was done to force a prosecution after

all these years. Guess the CIA damage assessment for Brewster-Jennings, the FBI files, and the internal DIA reports on OSP-WHIG-MOSSAD will tell us when they're declassified, eventually.

On edit: that REALLY bad thing is spelled I-R-A-Q. After that, Iran is a no-go.

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[Skidmore]

9. How can we break it's influence.

[BuyingThyme]

11. Link them to Cheney

Larry Franklin, Doug Feith, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney.

Grand slam.

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[iconoclastNYC]

26. This should be it's own thread.

Excellent.

[BlueEyedSon]

20. Nobody "dictates" our policy. You should be pretty steamed at PNAC

and all the corportate-advocacy lobby groups too!

[endarkenment]

25. PNAC AIPAC cross fertilization is extensive.

It is kind of hard to separate the two groups.

[InsultComicDog]

10. It's a lobbying organization

and a very successful one for many years. But some of the stuff being said here is ridiculous.

[BuyingThyme]

12. Like what?

Like the fact that their leaders are Israeli spies?

[leveymg]

13. Read the Franklin-AIPAC indictment

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2005/franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm -- Particularly, Count 5, Overt Acts, Para 6. FO-3 was Naor Gilon, Mossad Chief of Station.

Read at least the last six pages, and then come back and tell us how ridiculous our statements about Mossad espionage in the U.S. are. The most ridiculous thing is that it was allowed to go on for so long.

[acmejack]

14. State your case comic dog! No hit & runs!

I'm a calling you partner! What's ridiculous and why? Lay it out for us!

[endarkenment]

21. don't think you are going to see much in the way of a defense

The facts are more or less self evident. No other foreign government could get away with this crap. Not even the Brits.

[burythehatchet]

30. Leave the friggin chest thumping in the I/P sewer

[iconoclastNYC]

27. Ahh still no clarification

Hit and run.

[xchrom]

16. no argument for me.

all foreign nations that lobby the government should come under very close scrutiny and review on a regular basis.

and any deals or legislation that is passed should consequently be reviewed to see if the country is truly benefitting.

[Citrene]

18. I highly recommend a book written by a former Congressman,

"They Dare to Speak Out, People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby" by Paul Findley (a Republican Congressman from Illinois for twenty-years).

[BlueEyedSon]

19. Follow the money, just like you would for any other lobby

[Harald Ragnarsson]

23. How much of our $10billion in aid to Israel every year

comes back as bribes to our congresspeople from AIPAC? Or flat out bribes?

I'd really like to know and I bet people would really be shocked at the numbers.

[BlueEyedSon]

24. Yeah, and how much of our $100billion that we pay to OPEC comes back?

Or the $400billion we pay to the defense industry?

Just askin!

[iconoclastNYC]

28. That doesn't change anything.

Don't change the subject.

[bloom]

22. And Christian Fundies

(the ones I know) don't have any problem with the US carrying out AIPAC's agenda.

(I guess it goes without saying that the Jewish "fundies" think it's great - I'm not sure about why or whether any liberal people support it).

[populistdriven]

29. Why don't you join it and find out?

:think: