Run up to war ?

[ls317]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/07/us.iran.ap/index.html


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney said Tuesday that Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and warned "the United States is keeping all options on the table in addressing the irresponsible conduct of the regime."

[savemefromdumbya]

1. He's obsessed with Iran what about N Korea?

[Avalux]

4. N. Korea has nothing we can take from them -

no oil; no foothold in the ME.

[savemefromdumbya]

12. how could I be so stupid!

[Avalux]

13. lol!

:rofl:

[dmkinsey]

14. He's obsessed

You want him to be RATIONALLY obsessed?
Not trying to diss you Saveme, just sayin', Chaney's got his boogeyman. Plus, he's was speaking to AIPAC so he's sure to get applause by threating Israel's neighbor.

[savemefromdumbya]

33. one wonders

who actually runs this country - Israel or the USA

[Avalux]

2. Ah, the old "all options on the table" phrase

Just replace Iran with Iraq - we've heard this before. :eyes:

[ls317]

6. Timeline???

Any guess on the timeline for the next conflict??????

[MadMaddie]

10. Mid Summer is my guess...

their poll numbers are so low they have to do something..and they are going to do it with or without Congress approval!!

[madokie]

15. there argument will be they already have congresses approval

[MadMaddie]

20. And Congress will sit with their thumbs up their butts....

and do nothing.....

[madokie]

26. as they have all along. look at the ports deal for instance.

if it wasn't for lou dobbs you wouldn't hear a word about it already.

[Avalux]

31. Yep, and since we're already at 'war' (the perpetual war on terror) -

bombing Iran will just be lumped into that.

[genie_weenie]

32. Of course why do you think it's still called "OIF"?

This will also be OIF and thereby not subject to Congress, since if a Military Operation is not renamed the pResident does not have to go back to Congress...

[Avalux]

11. I've been predicting it'll be soon -

once the port deal goes through. That's why the WH has pulled out all the stops to make sure it does. Within a few months, IMHO.

[spuddonna]

28. Yup, as soon as the Ports deal is done, we'll have a great launch pt...

Good access to Iran from the south... get some carriers and nuke launching subs in there...

These people fill me with a revulsion I did not know I could hold... :grr:

[Marie26]

34. What do you think is the connection? nt

[Avalux]

35. Strategically necessary for our military; and not only that -

for the aftermath; a prime location for corporations to set up shop and "rebuild".

[SledDriver]

3. You betcha...

"...the irresponsible conduct of the regime."

Pot, meet Kettle.

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. Run? More like a downhill slolum race. n/t

[Democrats_win]

7. Yep, that's the way it looks to me.

[MadMaddie]

8. Who gave America the right to tell Sovereign countries...

what to do with their energy sources or military. The world is eventually going to tell the US to go "Cheney" itself and the US will have no say in what goes on anymore.

The * cabal has placed the US in grave danger because of this....

The * cabal blew any negotiating possibilities with the attack on Iraq!!

What about the <snip>irresponsible conduct of the * regime."<snip>

It's amazing these repugs never look in the mirror as they scream at other countries for wrong doing.

[november3rd]

21. it's amazing

it's amazing these repugs never look in the mirror

That's why they're Republicans! They have no self-awareness or insight! They are blind.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. He's making a great case for why Iran wants nukes.

[PDJane]

16. But the whole thing

Is mostly about the oil bourse in Euros........which starts next month. Don't forget that Denmark is going to be doing the same with energy...mostly natural gas, I think.

It is all meant to produce a counterbalance to the American hegemony.

[Ovett]

25. Paul Craig Roberts on the Iranian Oil Bourse

Paul Craig Roberts sends this post on the Iranian Oil Bourse:

Readers keep asking if Bush is attacking Iran because it plans to open an oil bourse that would permit oil to trade in Euros. A number of readers mistakenly believe that this would wreck the dollar's value.

The answer is no.

The neocons' plans for the Middle East predate any notion of an Iranian oil bourse.

Will an Iranian oil bourse hurt the dollar? Not really.

The dollar's value depends on the world's willingness to hold dollar denominated assets, not on the currency used to pay oil bills. If payments were not made in dollars, there could be a slight negative impact on the dollar from countries reducing their dollar cash balances and from the psychological shock of pricing oil in Euros (or some other currency). However, what really counts is what do the oil producers, for example, do with the currency that they are paid. If they are paid in dollars, but exchange the dollars for Euros or Yen and purchase equities or bonds or real estate in Europe and Japan, it doesn't help that oil is billed in dollars. Or if they are paid in Euros but exchange the Euros for dollars and purchase US assets, it doesn't hurt that the oil is billed in Euros.

The negative impact on the dollar will be far greater from the additional red ink necessary to finance an attack on Iran than from an oil bourse. Today, US war-making capability is dependent on the rest of the world to finance it.

Oil is billed in dollars because the dollar is the world reserve currency. The dollar is not the reserve currency because oil is billed in dollars. The US is abusing the dollar's role as reserve currency. When a trusted alternative appears, the dollar is likely to lose its reserve currency role. Iran, however, cannot cause that transition.

[paparush]

17. Will we take to the streets?

What will I do?

When the first airstrike happens, will I take off from work to demonstrate?
Will I lie in the streets and be carted off to jail?
Will I march, en-mass, on the Capital and effectively shut DC down, regardless of the costs?

I'm asking myself these questions. Will attacking Iran jolt me out of my middle-class existence?

After 2 stolen presidential elections.
After months of lying about WMD
After 3 years of unjustifiable war
After countless crimes and misdameanors

Will I, an intelligent, left-leaning voter be willing to get up and do something demonstrable (as casting a vote no longer counts..literally)? Will I risk my financial security, and that of my family?

[MadMaddie]

18. We won't have a choice....

Do you remember the last election when the rapper P Diddy came out with the videos, " Vote or Die",
many people blasted him and laughed at him for the message....

But the message is somewhat prophetic isn't it? It's not a joke...we have soldiers dying at a very high rate....we have Americans dying on US soil because of a dysfunctional * cabal.....we will soon have American families starving because they can't get assistance and there are no jobs...because they have all been outsourced....

We will have to take to the streets....

[november3rd]

22. Since you put it that way

I think we better get started stopping this now.

[november3rd]

19. More Dick

Deady-eye has a handle on the big gun these days, and we can assume it may go off, whether he really means to shoot it or not.

Bush would drop the bomb. He would do it. He's psycho enough.

What I want to know is: why are they making such a public spectacle about Iran? It would be so much better to go in all stealthy-like and sabotage the enrichment facilities secretly.

Keep it out of the corporate media.

I guess BushCo is really scared of these guys and has to tell the whole world about this for cover.

[MadMaddie]

23. They are making it public because they are trying to relive

the past...their glory days when the majority of the country supported them attacking Iraq...

They want another war....so they can suspend the constitution....

[acmavm]

24. Why's he so damn upset with Iran now? While he was head of

Halliburton and there was a trade embargo against Iran, he still went against his country and traded with them. What's his problem now? What a fair-weather friend. Remind me never to turn my back on THAT guy.

[MadMaddie]

30. You probabaly wouldn't want to face him either!!

:sarcasm:

[Strelnikov_]

27. Consider The Following Article

Contemplating The Ifs
W. Patrick Lang & Larry C. Johnson

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/files/lang_johnson_tni_83.pdf (.pdf warning)

. . .

In this atmosphere of building tension, Iran is not going to sit idly by and wait for America to crush it. Tehran has nearly achieved the installation of a friendly government on its western border. While U.S. bases in Iraq could potentially be used to infiltrate Iran with spies and commandos and, more importantly, to support and launch air strikes, those bases are vulnerable politically, not to mention logistically. The supply lines of food, water, fuel and bullets to U.S. bases run from Kuwait to the north and through the Iraqi Shi‘a heartland. Iranian intelligence agencies have given Iraqi Shi‘a massive support since the U.S. invasion. The Shi‘a are well organized and control the country through which U.S. supplies are moved. Islamic militants loyal to the likes of Ali al-Sistani and Moqtada al-Sadr could easily cut vital supply lines.

Iran can also play the oil card. If Iran were attacked, Iran could halt its oil exports and thereby immediately impact the global price. It would be unwise to hope that Iran, as part of its national security plan, is not willing to shut down Persian Gulf oil exports. Iran is well equipped to shower Persian Gulf states and oil fields with missiles, or to shut down exports with a variety of other military, terrorist or political methods. At a minimum, a U.S. military air campaign, even if successful in wrecking the Iranian nuclear program, would severely disrupt oil markets for at least six months. Such a disruption would hurt the world economy, not just that of the United States. In addition, there are countries sympatheticto Iran, such as Venezuela, that have indicated they are more than willing to cut off their oil supply to the United States. The United States could find itself facing a 20–30 percent shortfall in oil imports (and that estimate assumes that the Saudi fields are untouched and that oil imports continue to flow unimpeded).

. . .

What would be the posture of the United States if the Iranians gain nuclear weapons? Would we maintain forces in the Persian Gulf and in Iraq? How safe would Europe feel, given the ranges of ballistic missiles Iran is developing, plus those that the Chinese have previously sold to Middle Eastern countries (Saudi Arabia for example)? In the end, it may become necessary to confront Iran militarily over its emergent nuclear power status, but the costs would be so high that all diplomatic resources should be exhausted before such measures are adopted.

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29. Woo Hoo

more riches for the Bush and Cheney families