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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:59 PM
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Part II of Larisa's interview with dickhead Michael Ledeen-NIGER FORGERIES
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 01:02 PM by stop the bleeding
Conversations with Machiavelli's ghost: Denials mark neoconservative's account of past and present scandal
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: March 7, 2006

Demystifying Intrigue

Neoconservative Michael Ledeen is no stranger to intrigue. In the second part of our conversation with the occasional Pentagon advisor, RAW STORY asks about Iran Contra, the Niger forgeries, and perhaps the most fascinating allegation, that Ledeen may have been somehow involved or affiliated with P2.

P2, or Propaganda Due, was a scandal in the early 1980s involving an Italian bank, the Vatican, a neo-fascist Masonic lodge and Opus Dei, a cultish movement within the Catholic faith. Truly better than fiction, the tale of P2 and its ties to false flag operations in which Italian government agents committed acts of terror and violence against their own country for political reasons, has become the stuff of legend. Of the alleged P2 lodge members, the most important ones are the current Prime Minister of Italy, Silvio Burlusconi, Vittorio Emanuele IV, the “Prince of Naples,” and a bevy of prominent South American, European and US politicians, journalists, and bankers.

~snip~

Ledeen: I don’t know; I only dealt with the Iran half of the equation, I had no contact with the Contra side.

But if you’ll permit me, I think you should be more careful about accusing people of criminal activity. No one was ever even indicted for “violating the Boland Amendment,” so your rage at the pardons is misplaced in that case. The indictment of Weinberger was an outrage. And I have a lot of sympathy for the people who were ruined by the cost of trying to defend themselves. Don’t you think that government employees should have their legal expenses borne by the government, at least until somebody proves that they did something wrong? I’m talking about the little people here, people who can’t afford the cost – tens of thousands of dollars – of xeroxing documents, etc.

RS: With all due respect, the special prosecutor, Lawrence E. Walsh, indicated that former President Bush was the subject of his investigation and that he believed there to be a conspiracy at the highest levels of government to obstruct justice in order to protect Bush and former President Regan from charges perhaps even more serious than violating the Boland Amendment. The pardons waved a magic wand and justice disappeared. Justice to be vindicated for those you say are innocent and justice for the public who suspect them to be guilty.

Casper Weinberger, for example, was indicted for lying about Saudi involvement in illegal arms sale to Iran, among other false statements, and for destroying evidence that special prosecutor Walsh said may have "forestalled impeachment proceedings against President Reagan.”

So I would have to respectfully disagree that the indictment of Weinberger was an outrage. The outrage was that he was pardoned before he could go to trial.







http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Conversations_with_Machiavellis_ghost_Denials_mark_0307.html


what a prik, great job Larisa, I don't know how you can stand to be in the same room as him. My skin would be crawling, I feel like I have to shower now just to get the evil slime that ooozed from him onto me through your interview.

Man what a snake.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:05 PM
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1. Ledeen certainly comes off as much more defensive and dismissive
than the 1st interview. Definitely feels like he's hiding something.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:16 PM
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3. my thoughts exactly - he is distancing himself from all events and people
Why?

I need some more time to wrap my head around this, and hopefully with insight from you and all of the other incredible Plame-DU'er's that post on the Plame/Niger threads we will be able to glean some more/better information from this interview.

Thanks Roland99 I always make a point to read what you write.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:20 PM
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4. Well, it could be just he's trying to stave off another "6 years of slime"
by issuing denial after denial...tossing some chaff out to throw off the incoming missiles of investigations.

Ledeen is an egomaniac. Watch his interview segments in The Power of Nightmares and again in the 1st part of this interview with Larisa. Ledeen isn't someone to be content with being a minor pawn in a major game.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:05 PM
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2. K&R. nt
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:11 PM
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5. Good Morning & K&R
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:30 PM
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6. At least he doesn't deny having gone to Rome with Franklin, Rhode in 12/01
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 02:33 PM by leveymg
I think his greatest vulnerability on this point is the cover story about the substance of the conversations held there. Here's what he claims:

RS: Let’s flash forward to 2001 quickly to address a meeting or series of meetings that we had once discussed already. How did you come to be in Rome in December of 2001 and for what purpose were you there?

Ledeen: I was in Rome – at my own expense, as a private citizen – for meetings between American officials from the Pentagon (Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode) and Iranians who had information about the mullahs’ plans to attack Coalition forces in Afghanistan.

RS: Was there discussion of Iraq?

Ledeen: There was no discussion of Iraq at all.

RS: Who authorized the meeting and who was made aware of the meeting?

Ledeen: I was told that the meeting had been approved by State, Defense, CIA and the NSC, and I personally briefed our ambassador both before and after the meetings.

They were very good meetings, by the way. They produced information that saved American lives in Afghanistan.

RS: Was Ghorbanifar there?

Ledeen: Ghorbanifar helped arrange the meeting.


First, I recall the story about Iranian plans to attack coalition forces in Afghanistan was never confirmed or even repeated by the Administration. If there was any substance to this, I'm sure we would have heard quite a lot about it. We are now hearing similar, unsubstantiated claims from Rumsfeld about Iran providing weapons to the insurgents in Iraq. We also heard the same accusations against Syria some months ago when its seemed we wanted to justify a U.S. attack there.

Second, why did Franklin and Rhode (accompanied by Ledeen) have to go to Rome in the first place? To hear Ledeen tell it, "the conversations were with more than one Iranian and were conducted over several days." What could Iranian exiles possibly have to say on that subject that would require face-to-face meetings with Franklin and Rhode over several days? Seems that debriefings of this length carried out with multiple US analysts would yield something useful for propaganda purposes, particularly if "they produced information that saved American lives in Afghanistan". There is only two possible explanations: 1) that was not, in fact, the subject discussed at length by the participants; or 2) the intelligence was unsubstantiated and nothing ever came of it.

Third, this is a question for Larissa, or anyone out there, who can answer it. What is the source for reports that Ledeen, Franklin, Rhode and Ghorbanifar talked about the Niger Yellow Cake documents during this trip, beyond the near proximity in time to their being recirculated to American intelligence? Is that Rosella Burba, the Italian journalist? I know that Vince Cannistraro, former CIA Counterterrorism chief, is quoted as having said that "you wouldn't be too far off" if you said that Ledeen was the source (or was in the chain of possession) of the Niger docs. What other evidence is there that Ledeen was involved in getting the forgeries to the White House?





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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 03:23 PM
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8. La Repubblica ??? - is that the source of the question in part III of your
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 03:26 PM by stop the bleeding
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 05:33 PM
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12. The substance of the Rome meetings have been obscured, and
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 05:40 PM by leveymg
accounts differ as to what was talked about. The perceived importance of the information provided by Ledeen's Iranian informants also varies, depending upon who tells the story. We've already heard Ledeen describe the Rome conference as resulting in actionable intelligence that saved American lives in Afghanistan. Not so, according to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who later described the meetings as essentially without intelligence value. He stated, "There wasn't anything there of substance or of value that needed to be pursued further." See, Josh Miccah Marshall and Laura Rozen, "Iran Contra II?" Washington Journal, September, 2004. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.marshallrozen.html

During his interview with Larissa, Ledeen's recollection of the topic of the December 2001 Rome meeting, and who authorized it, also differs from the accounts of others. He recalls that the meetings were cleared by multiple agencies, including the CIA. Ledeen also claims to have briefed the US Ambassador both before and after the meetings. That isn't at all what happened, according to Josh Marshall's sources for his Washington Monthly article. That article records that there was an additional meeting between OSP and Iranians arranged by Ledeed in June 2002, and that Manoucher Ghorbanifar set up a third a year later. According to Marshall:

The first meeting occurred in Rome in December, 2001. It included Franklin, Rhode, and another American, the neoconservative writer and operative Michael Ledeen, who organized the meeting. (According to UPI, Ledeen was then working for Feith as a consultant.) Also in attendance was Ghorbanifar and a number of other Iranians. One of the Iranians, according to two sources familiar with the meeting, was a former senior member of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard who claimed to have information about dissident ranks within the Iranian security services. The Washington Monthly has also learned from U.S. government sources that Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italy's military intelligence agency, SISMI, attended the meetings, as did the Italian Minister of Defense Antonio Martino, who is well-known in neoconservative circles in Washington.

Alarm bells about the December 2001 meeting began going off in U.S. government channels only days after it occurred. On Dec. 12, 2001, at the U.S. embassy in Rome, America's newly-installed ambassador, Mel Sembler, sat down for a private dinner with Ledeen, an old friend of his from Republican Party politics, and Martino, the Italian defense minister. The conversation quickly turned to the meeting. The problem was that this was the first that Amb. Sembler had heard about it

According to U.S. government sources, Sembler immediately set about trying to determine what he could about the meeting and how it had happened. Since U.S. government contact with foreign government intelligence agencies is supposed to be overseen by the CIA, Sembler first spoke to the CIA station chief in Rome to find out what if anything he knew about the meeting with the Iranians. But that only raised more questions because the station chief had been left in the dark as well. Soon both Sembler and the Rome station chief were sending anxious queries back to the State Department and CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., respectively, raising alarms on both sides of the Potomac.


OVERLAPPING SPY CASES

One of the most intriguing aspects of Ledeen's account is that he says the Iranian exile figures talked about plots by Iran to attack US troops. That is the very same subject of one of the classified DoD documents that Larry Franklin unlawfully shared with AIPAC employees in the OSP-AIPAC spy case in the same month that Harold Rhode met several Iranians in Paris. Marshall describes Ghorbanifar's description of that June 2003 meeting:

Ghorbanifar says the purpose of the meeting was for Rhode to get more information on the situation in Iraq and the Middle East. "In those meetings we met, we gave him the scenario, what would happen in the coming days in Iraq. And everything has happened word for word as we told him," Ghorbanifar repeats. "We met in several different places in Paris," he says. "Rhode met several other people -- he didn't only meet me."

That raises an interesting question. Was Franklin sharing the same information with the Israelis that he and Rhode were getting from Ledeen and Ghorbanifar's sources? According to the Franklin indictment: http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2005/franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm

OVERT ACTS, #35. On or about June 26, 2003, during the aforementioned meeting, FRANKLIN disclosed to ROSEN and WEISSMAN classified information related to potential attacks upon United States forces in Iraq. FRANKLIN told ROSEN and WEISSMAN that the information was "highly classified" and asked them not to use it.

Finally, why would the Israelis be interested in what Ledeen and Ghorbanifar's Iranian clients might be telling the DoD about Iranian intentions in Afghanistan and Iraq? This makes sense if Ledeen was stovepiping information provided by Israel to receptive officers within Defense Department. If that were the case, Israeli intelligence would have a strong interest in seeing the end product that made its way into the record at the Pentagon.

This explanation is buttressed by the fact that the Larry Frankin Indictment shows that Franklin was himself at this same time involved with similar stovepiping of information about Itan's alledged nuclear program sourced from Israeli intelligence, in this case, FO-3, who was Mossad Chief of Station, Naor Gilon, at the Washington Embassy. Overt Acts, Page 23-24, para 6 of the Indictment states:

#6. On or about May 23, 2003, FRANKLIN again met FO-3 at the POAC. At this meeting, the two discussed issues concerning a Middle Eastern country and its nuclear program and the views held by Europe and certain United States government agencies with regard to that issue. Following this meeting, the defendant drafted an Action Memo to his supervisors, incorporating suggestions made by FO-3 during the meeting.

In conclusion, we offer this question: is it so hard to imagine that Ledeen and Ghorbanifar might also have also been involved in stovepiping the Niger Yellowcake forgeries to Franklin and Rhode? Not so hard to imagine, given the larger context of the operation.

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 06:38 PM
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14. Brilliant!!!
Keep going!!!!!!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 03:10 PM
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40. I just have to say
that you did a great job interviewing Ledeen. You may know by now that I have been following his work for some time, reading his books, articles, etc. and also reading about him, to better understand his thinking processes, etc. (I have done this about several other personalities, as well, particularly those associated with neoconservatism). Anyway, I would have loved to have seen this on tape (or been there in person).

Kudos to you for your articulate questions and for taking Ledeen on in such a challenging forthright manner. Thanks.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 06:44 PM
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16. The pieces are all there...their ideology is being laid bare
These people want control of the Middle East via US-friendly proxies to: 1) Secure the oil; 2) Secure safety for Israel; 3) Expand markets to allow American companies to keep growing their stock prices (this latter one being more of a reward to the corporatists and Norquist camp for allowing them access to controlling our foreign policy).

They don't care about the cost (monetary or human).

They don't realize they are bankrupting this nation and helping to create a political split amongst Americans.

They use the radical clerics of the far-right (the pseudo-Christians like Dobson, Robertson, Reed, etc.) to help the GOTV to help ensure they stay in power.


They are destroying this country with their ideology. They will be the downfall of the republic thru their efforts to "save" it.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 09:20 PM
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22. leveymg once again your research blows their lies to pieces - I would
like to think that the links I provided were helpful in you coming to these conclusions.

Thanks again for the research!!!:headbang::yourock:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 05:31 AM
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32. They were, THANK YOU!
I was tied up yesterday evening, so I didn't have a chance to thank you before. Thanks for all you do here!

- Mark
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:23 AM
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27. Excellent post, thank you ~ I have a question
I don't recall where I read this, perhaps in some of the Larry Franklin/Pentagon Spy information, and I may be remembering incorrectly, but weren't there allegations that someone had created forgeries of plans to develop nuclear weapons which were meant to make their way to Iran? As I recall, some documents were recently uncovered in Iran which appeared to be plans for the development of nuclear weapons and there were suspicions that these may be those same fake documents.

What is amazing about the Iran situation is that it is almost an identical replica of the runup to the Iraq war. Why would the Europeans, eg, go along with this when they did not buy the Iraq 'intelligence'? They know these people. Am I missing something?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:25 AM
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28. Here ya go!
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 02:08 AM
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29. Wow, thank you Roland ~ two things I don't understand though ~
how is it that Risen can write so openly about all this? And, this is probably a dumb question because I really don't understand the technical aspects of the story, but why would it be bad were the Iranians to find a 'flaw'?

Oops, I just realized why ~ but we don't know whether they did or not yet. So, back to my question, how can this information be revealed since it is still current ~ if we don't know whether the Iranians found any flaws which would blow the mission, won't they find them now after reading this book?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 08:57 AM
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34. It wouldn't be bad for the Iranians to find a flaw, well not for the US.
It might be bad for the Russian who could find his life in danger if the Iranians thought he was involved in providing them with flawed plans which is why he likely hedged his bets and informed them that there was a flaw.

As to why Risen could write so much I'm not sure the answer on that but I assume it's because the knowledge was already known throughout the intelligence communities and the CIA allowed that information to be published as it didn't really damage any particular operations (?)

Remember, the US had done similar things in the past to the Soviets.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:11 PM
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38. Right, I realize now that if the Iranians found the flaw it would have
meant their knowledge was fairly advanced ~ and the plan to fool them would not have worked. It seems like a very, very risky chance to take just to see what they knew ~ as far as the Russian, it looks like the US was willing to risk his life ~ thanks for your responses ~ I'm having a difficult time absorbing all this ~ especially after reading H2O Man's thread on A.Q. Khan ~ we are living in a very scary world, and I keep wondering ~ 'where are the good guys?' ~ they're certainly not in the current US government, it seems.

Valerie Plame and her network appear to be among the good people who really were trying to curtail the proliferation of nuclear weapons, but look what happened to them, and at the hands of those who are sworn to protect this country ~ it boggles my mind, the more I learn ~

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 05:42 AM
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33. The Larry Franklin indictment references alledged Iranian nuclear matters
at several places. The most specific overt act contained in the indictment of wrongdoing related to that subject, which I cited above, was Franklin's altering a DoD memo regarding the Iranian nuclear program to reflect changes suggested by his Israeli intelligence contact, F0-3.

It don't know whether Franklin passed on the false bomb-making plans you refer to. Can you try to find that link?

Yes, this does seem to have the same M.O. of the Niger yellowcake operation.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 03:42 PM
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10. And how much does Sen. Roberts know about all of this?
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 03:44 PM by Roland99
There's a reason that second phase of the Senate Investigative Committee report on the influence on the intel the White House had has not been forthcoming.

Here's the RawStory article on Sen. Roberts from last year:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/HowSenate_Intelligence_chairman_fixed_intelligence_and_diverted_blame_fromWhite_House__0811.html


How much did he know and how much is it just him covering his ass for being duped?

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 06:40 PM
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15. Re-read the Iran/Iraq/Uranium/Weldon
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 06:48 PM
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17. That's right. I remember that one. Why bypass Roberts and go to Weldon?
Something's afoot.


And how does Able Danger play into this?



Obviously this was a two-pronged effort (at least). Stovepiping intel on Iraq (Feith in OSP) and on Iran (Ledeen). Hadley was involved in both of them as he was under Rice (eww...scary mental image flashed in my mind).

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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 09:18 PM
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21. Phase 2 Will NEVER Happen
Because it would take them DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 09:23 PM
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23. that is why we need Fitz to get as many of those bastards as possible
St. Patricks Day *sigh*
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 04:13 AM
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31. Roberts and Phase II
I have done 3 articles on this now, 2 since the rule 21 Senate closure. It begs the question, why not shut it down???
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 08:58 AM
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35. Why not shut it down? Fear? Complicity?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:39 AM
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36. Will it matter if it is temporary??? Rockefeller must be seething by
now. I would be, is there a way that Reid and others can shut it down permanently until there is some kind of resolution/outcome to Phase II? Or are there some Democrats out there that are compliant with this?

It is like Goss and Roberts are silent members of WHIG. I want Roberts to burn in hell for the sham that he has pulled before, during and after the war in regards to War Intel/investigations.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:33 PM
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7. You gotta love a headline that has the word "dickhead" in it! nt
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 03:25 PM
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9. Thanks again, lala. And thanks for posting this, stb!
I especially enjoyed this second part, he did a lot of squirming. Notice how he sidestepped the real questions, especially in regard to Iran/Contra where he tries to paint the perps as victims. Disgusting!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 04:10 PM
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11. Disgusting is right! -- All of them!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 06:33 PM
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13. KICK!!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:02 PM
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18. fyi
Calvi was head of Banco Ambrosiano - a private bank with close ties to the Vatican.

When he arrived in London, he was on the run, using a false passport.

His corrupt dealings had brought the bank to the verge of collapse with debts of more than $1bn.

Inquest verdicts

Calvi was a member of the secret right-wing P2 masonic lodge, and was also linked to the Sicilian mafia.

Two days after arriving in London, he was dead.

The coroner initially recorded a verdict of suicide but, under pressure from the family, a second inquest was called and an open verdict was recorded.

In recent years more evidence has come to light, suggesting Calvi was murdered by the mafia to stop him divulging damaging details about links between the mafia, the Vatican and P2.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4737372.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1936830.stm

<SNIP>

In 1982, he was indicted in Italy as an accessory in the $3.5bn collapse of Banco Ambrosiano, an Italian financial institution with ties to the Vatican Bank.

Marcinkus was, at one time, a director of the Bahamas-based Ambrosiano Overseas.

The bank was accused of laundering money for the Mafia and the illegal P2 masonic lodge.

But the Archbishop, who fiercely denied any wrongdoing, escaped arrest because Italian courts ruled that Vatican employees were immune from prosecution.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4737372.stm
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:04 PM
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19. Reading those links to Calvi from the RS article reminded me of...
that scene in Hannibal when that Italian inspector is disemboweled by Hannibal and hung over that balcony.


Starting to sound like some Angels and Demons or DaVinci Code thriller. Good grief!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 09:13 PM
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20. is this gonna part of part III? If it is then:

:popcorn: this subject has my attention to the fullest and I would love to see/learn something new from this.

If not can you hint at what part III will be about.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 09:24 PM
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24. Almost missed this, stb. TX for posting. Reading it now. n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 11:10 PM
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25. Kick, kick, KICK!!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 11:33 PM
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26. Rove
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 03:26 AM
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30. Really excellent work
Can't wait for the finale. Aren't they just the most arrogant bastards, quite astounding.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:59 AM
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37. kick n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:52 PM
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39. To the top!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:52 AM
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41. Hmm...wonder what Ledeen's thinking now with all the PNACers admitting
mistakes and lamenting their ideology.
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