Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

[Octafish]

George Bush and what passes for the United States Government say Zaccarias Moussaoui must die.

His crime? Moussaoui could have prevented 9-11, if he wanted.

Who knows? Maybe.



There is one thing we DO know about Moussaoui. We’ll never know the so-called 20th hijacker’s story if he’s dead. And that is why Bush and company are so eager to see that he gets that way, ASAFP.

Here’s something we can deduce from the available evidence:

The facts of the matter indicate it wasn’t Moussaoui, it was George Bush, the FBI and “his” government who could have prevented 9-11. And they failed.

Consider the FBI didn’t want anything to do with arresting Moussaoui BEFORE 9-11. It took repeated phone calls from Democratic U.S. Congressmen James Oberstar and Martin Sabo to FBI HQ in Washington to even investigate the guy.

FBI ignored attack warning
Flight instructor told agency of terror suspect's plan
Philip Shenon, New York Times
Saturday, December 22, 2001

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/12/22/MN145401.DTL


The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui:
FBI refused to investigate man charged in September 11 attacks
By Patrick Martin, World Socialist Web Site
5 January 2002

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/mous-j05.shtml


Minny flight trainer & Moussaoui
Eagan flight trainer wouldn't let unease about Moussaoui rest
Greg Gordon, Star Tribune
December 21, 2001FLIT21

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/913687.html

Then, the same FBI didn’t want to look into his laptop computer. If they had only gotten a FISA warrant, they would’ve seen all his links to terrorists and terrorist organizations, found that Moussaoui had illegally copied a 747 operator’s manual, and all his connections to Al Qaeda.

The Rowley Memo
By William Safire
The New York Times

http://foi.missouri.edu/foiintelligence/rowleymemo.html


Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller
An edited version of the agent's 13-page letter
Edited by the nice people at TIME
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

Who knows? Bush’s team might’ve connected some of those dots and seen what was going on and gotten up and done something to warn the airlines, flying public, and the rest of the innocent people who died that day. You know something fishy was going on when Ashcroft stopped flying commercial that July. Of course, he didn't share his reasons with the press or the flying public.

Ashcroft Flying High
CBS.com
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

The bottom line is this. Bush and his cronies in the FBI and whatever other agencies had no interest in learning the truth about Moussaoui. Otherwise, they would have gotten the FISA and found what was on the laptop.



Even if the legal grounds were shaky, breaking the law never stopped the Bush Gang before or since. Ask James R Bath. And so, Moussaoui must die. For Bush and the Empire

[babylonsister]

1. I didn't even have to read your text to agree: sacrificial lamb.

Moussaoui is doomed because of the blivet.

[Octafish]

3. Bush administration hails Moussaoui guilty plea—continues 9/11 cover-up

Whether a patsy, dupe or monster, Moussaoui is still a living witness to what happened.

And that's why he is so dangerous to the BFEE.

Bush administration hails Moussaoui guilty plea—continues 9/11 cover-up

By Patrick Martin
26 April 2005
WSWS.org

EXCERPT...

Unanswered questions

Moussaoui’s confession puts an end to his trial, but provides no answers to the questions which have surrounded this case since its very beginning. There has yet to be any explanation of the response to Moussaoui’s arrest on the part of top federal counterintelligence officials in both the CIA and FBI.

The Islamic fundamentalist’s conduct alarmed the trainers at the flight school as well as local FBI agents in Minneapolis, both of them expressing concern that a man with Moussaoui’s motivation and flight training would be able to pilot a passenger jet into a building as part of a suicide terrorist attack. Local FBI officials notified headquarters of the arrest, requesting permission to proceed with a more intensive investigation.

FBI supervisory officials in Washington, however, rejected this proposal and would not allow the local agents even to search Moussaoui’s laptop computer. The same officials also suppressed a request from a Phoenix, Arizona FBI agent who noticed Islamic fundamentalists training at a local flight school and urged a nationwide effort to monitor such activity. No one in the FBI leadership has been held responsible or penalized for this failure, which led one Minneapolis agent to suggest, half-joking, that Osama bin Laden must have a mole in FBI headquarters.

The CIA learned of Moussaoui’s arrest as well, and the information was reported up the chain of command to CIA Director George Tenet, who mentioned it at a White House meeting on terrorism the week before the September 11 attacks. Neither the CIA nor the White House took any action, and Moussaoui remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, suspected only of immigration offenses, until after the destruction of the World Trade Center.


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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/zacc-a26.shtml

Thanks for giving a damn, babylonsister. This show trial shows how dirty the Bush Gang really is.

[Name removed]

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[Octafish]

5. How BushCo Buried Rowley...and her story.

This was written before we knew about the NSA domestic spying.

How far things have gone since then. Downhill.

Famous for 15 Seconds

How All the President's Men Buried Coleen Rowley

by Steve Perry
Counterpunch
June 13, 2002

The daily news cycle is a hungry beast with a short memory, so maybe it should come as no surprise that the revelations of Minneapolis FBI whistleblower Coleen Rowley came and went so quickly. Still, you've got to credit W and company. The administration has dispatched her story with impressive speed and political acumen.

First they took advantage of the cover afforded by the Rowley firestorm to announce sweeping rollbacks in the U.S.'s meager edifice of rules against indiscriminate domestic spying, rules spawned by the exposure of prolific FBI abuses in the 1960s. Under the new guidelines set forth in John Ashcroft's little-noted May 30 diktat, there is no longer any pretense that intelligence agencies need "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity to mount prolonged fishing expeditions into the affairs of private individuals.

The administration then turned to defusing Rowley's story. Hence the rushed announcement of plans to reorganize the entire intelligence apparatus, even though the particulars are so ill-formed that Bush has no intention of soliciting funds for it this year. Thus, too, the sudden fanfare regarding the arrest of Jose Padilla a month earlier. After the Padilla story had simmered for a couples of days, the administration cheerfully conceded it was less than advertised. It was unlikely Padilla would ever be prosecuted; as a Defense Department deputy told CBS, "I don't think there was actually a plot beyond some fairly loose talk."

Job well done. Padilla served his purpose, which was to steal the last bit of thunder from Rowley's Congressional testimony a few days earlier. There's no mystery as to motive: Her disclosures concerning quashed pre-9/11 leads (along with news of the FBI's so-called Phoenix memo and some unattended CIA leads) called into doubt a main premise of the Bush program-the frantic contention that what we need most going forward is a vastly expanded repertoire of police powers and resources.

Only the most gullible could believe that a desire to combat terror is the sole agenda here. Every administration since Reagan's has chased after rollbacks in the civil liberties and curbs on police power wrought in the '60s and '70s by the civil rights movement, the Warren Court and post-Watergate reformers. And it's usually done in the name of war, be it on drugs, pornography, child abuse, "welfare as we know it," or terrorism. The present threat is certainly more real and more precipitous than the sham domestic wars of our recent past, but it's fair to ask how much additional security we can expect to buy with a wholesale surrender of freedoms and privacy rights. The answer, by FBI Director Robert Mueller's own sidelong admission, is probably not much. Testifying before a Senate committee in May, Mueller said that the 9/11 hijackers "contacted no known terrorist sympathizers left no paper trail. As best we can determine, the actual hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind." In short, they seem to have done nothing that would have made them any more visible under the expansive new Bush/Ashcroft rules on snooping, electronic and otherwise, than they already were.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/sperry0613.html

Thanks for giving a damn, ClaraT. The Bush Crime Family are traitors, at best.

[msatty99]

4. An interesting position

I have no sympathy for this individual who has (according to reports)
expressed his delight in the deaths of people who died on 9-11. And
has repeatedly expressed hatred and violent wishes towards us.

My 'liberal' side tends to want to spare his life as an example
to the muslim and arab worlds of civilized justice...since he did
not, apparently, kill anyone.

My pragmatic side tells me that such a gesture would, in some quarters,
merely be seen as weakness.

I also think there could be value in preserving his life to further
obtain information from this indiviual who might let slip something
that would help save lives in the future. (However this does seem like
a longshot and grasping at straws to find a reason to spare his life)

Finally, I am glad that I am not on the jury that will have to decide.

[babylonsister]

6. There's another consideration: he had nothing to do with it, but

that doesn't matter any longer. Justice? What happened to that in the U.S.?

[Octafish]

8. Here's an excellent stufy of who did...

Terror Inc. and it's American Branch, the GOP of Karl Rove and Grover Norquist.

Dubai port deal is nothing compared to Ptech

By Devlin Buckley
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Mar 6, 2006, 00:49

While Congress and the media focus on the potential dangers of a UAE-owned company running American port operations, any possible threat is dwarfed by the current insecurity of the US government’s computer infrastructure, which has been compromised by a company with alleged multiple connections to terrorist financing.

The company, once known as Ptech (now GoAgile), has been contracted to provide sophisticated computer software to several government agencies, including the Army, the Air Force, Naval Air Command, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Department of Justice, Customs, the FAA, the IRS, NATO, the FBI, the Secret Service, and the White House.

Shortly after 9/11, the company’s primary investor, Yassin al-Qadi (al-Kadi), was identified by the US government as a specially designated global terrorist. Officials describe al-Qadi as one of Osama bin Laden’s "chief money launderers," and allege he transferred as much as $3 billion to al-Qaeda during the 1990s.

Al-Qadi is a wealthy Saudi with connections to banking, diamonds, chemicals, construction, transportation, and real estate. He once headed Muwafaq, an Islamic charity the US Treasury Department described as an “al Qaeda front that receives funding from wealthy Saudi businessmen.”

SNIP...

According to former Justice Department prosecutor John Loftus, even after 9/11 “people in the intelligence community came and said-guys like Alamoudi . . . and other terrorists weren’t being touched because they’d been ordered not to investigate the cases, not to prosecute them, because they were being funded by the Saudis and a political decision was being made at the highest levels, don’t do anything that would embarrass the Saudi government." He went on to say:

“(W)ho was it that fixed the cases? How could these guys operate for more than a decade immune from prosecution? And, the answer is coming out in a very strange place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist. He’s the super lobbyist. . .

Grover Norquist’s best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things.”

CONTINUED...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_570.shtml

Traitors and warmongers and psychopaths. And that's being nice about them.

[Octafish]

7. The thing is, the FBI IGNORED Rowley and the Phoenix FBI...

...who also warned Washington HQ that possible terrorists were getting instruction at U.S. flight schools.

Document release remains key test of FBI advances

By Sen. Carl Levin / Special to The Detroit News

One test of the success of FBI Director Robert Mueller's announced intention to improve the way the Federal Bureau of Investigation combats terrorism will be whether he releases to the public the key documents warning of possible hijackings that the bureau had prior to 9/11 and whether he holds the appropriate persons in the FBI accountable for failures in carrying out their duties with respect to those warnings.

As Director Mueller has said, the FBI has to "do a better job managing, analyzing and sharing information." The FBI has been infamous for not sharing leads or intelligence with other law enforcement agencies, both in the federal government and locally. It will take a major effort to change the FBI's culture of keeping information "close to the vest" and not sharing it.

For example, the so-called Phoenix memo from field agent Kenneth Williams included specific facts about Osama bin Laden's connection to flight school students, yet that memo was never shared with Central Intelligence Agency headquarters or other intelligence agencies despite the request to do so in the memo. There has been no explanation of why no one has been held accountable for this failure.

In a plea for a search warrant to get into the laptop computer of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, Minneapolis field agent Greg Jones had phone conversations with special agent Michael Maltbie at FBI headquarters. Agent Jones' notes of these conversations with Maltbie are startling and should be released.

The only reason not to make this information public is that it would be embarrassing to the FBI. That's simply not acceptable.

EXCERPT...

Carl Levin, Michigan's senior Democratic senator, is a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Write letters to The Detroit News, 615 W. Lafayette, Detroit, MI 48226, or fax to [phone] or e-mail to letters@ detnews.com.

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GOOGLE Cache:

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:SLOMq6jQKPAJ:www.detnews.com/2002/editorial/0206/05/a13-506640.htm+phoenix-memo+%2B+frasca&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

I have no sympathy for terrorists, mass murderers or warmongers, as well.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, masatty99.

[leesa]

32. I would be VERY suspicious of those "reports". EVERY case around the

world related to 9-11 has fallen through due to lack of evidence because they can't dig too deep because the trail always starts to lead back to our government. I suspect he was probably a stooge who was set up by our government the same way any of the other ALLEGED terrorists were. If any of them were actually on the planes, they probably didn't even know why they boarded that day. What the hell is Dov Zakheim doing these days?

[wtmusic]

66. Unfortunately it's not illegal to express delight over anything

If he was tried for what he was guilty of -- being an accessory -- my pragmatic side tells me that such a gesture would, in some quarters, merely be seen as justice.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Two purposes:

1. Scapegoat for * and his regime for "War on Terror", and

2. Fulfillment of American public's traditional bent toward bloodlust. Public executions give the public an illusion of justice like God and a lightning bolt.

[Octafish]

14. Agree with you 100 percent.

Well said, ho_hypocrisy.

Here's a nice overview for those not familiar with the subject, vis a vis, why Moussaoui couldn't really defend himself and Bush's "government" wouldn't allow it:

Keys to 9/11

By Michelle Mairesse

EXCERPT...

Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arraigned on six counts of conspiracy to commit murder and terrorism, declared in court that the U.S. government chose not to arrest hijacker Hani Hanjour last summer because that would have tipped off the attackers to surveillance by the F.B.I. "They arrested me and not Hanjour who was a few week before me at Pan Am Flight School (and has been reported was a danger) because they knew that I was not with the 19 hijackers and therefore they will not be alerted . . . by my arrest."

Moussaoui's story received corroboration May 24, 2002, when ABC News reported that paid F.B.I. informant Auki Collins claimed he had monitored the Arab and Islamic communities in Phoenix, including Hani Hanjour while he attended flight school in Phoenix. The F.B.I. admitted that Collins had worked for them, but denied he had told them anything about Hanjour.

Moussaoui claimed he had been under observation before 9/11 and that the hijackers' movements had been facilitated by the U.S. government. Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Spencer denied Moussaoui's allegation in court, maintaining that Moussaoui had not been under physical or electronic surveillance, that he knows of no such surveillance by any foreign government, and also that the U.S. government did not facilitate the movement of any of the 19 hijackers or have any of them under surveillance while they were in the United States. Spencer's sweeping denials don't stand up under scrutiny.

Steve Fainaru's and James V. Grimaldi's Washington Post article of September 23, 2001 concludes: "Since 1996, the F.B.I. had been developing evidence that international terrorists were using US flight schools to learn to fly jumbo jets. A foiled plot in Manila to blow up U.S. airliners and later court testimony by an associate of bin Laden had touched off F.B.I. inquiries at several schools, officials say." So it appears that at least the flight schools were under surveillance.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/keys9_11.htm

Thanks for giving a damn, no_hypocrisy. There may yet be light on all this.

[mattclearing]

10. Proud to be the fifth to recommend this. n/t

[Octafish]

15. Thanks, tasteblind!

Gee. What could George be afraid of?

Bush administration hails Moussaoui guilty plea—continues 9/11 cover-up

By Patrick Martin
26 April 2005

EXCERPT...

Unanswered questions

Moussaoui’s confession puts an end to his trial, but provides no answers to the questions which have surrounded this case since its very beginning. There has yet to be any explanation of the response to Moussaoui’s arrest on the part of top federal counterintelligence officials in both the CIA and FBI.

SNIP...

The CIA learned of Moussaoui’s arrest as well, and the information was reported up the chain of command to CIA Director George Tenet, who mentioned it at a White House meeting on terrorism the week before the September 11 attacks. Neither the CIA nor the White House took any action, and Moussaoui remained in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, suspected only of immigration offenses, until after the destruction of the World Trade Center.

As the 9/11 commission report noted: “Had this information been available in late August 2001, the Moussaoui case would almost certainly have received intense and much higher-level attention.”

One of the six counts to which Moussaoui pled guilty was concealing his knowledge of the impending terrorist attacks during the four weeks between his arrest and September 11. In other words, he did not blurt out what he knew of the plot that culminated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Similar charges, however, could be brought against top-level Bush administration officials. They not only did not inquire about Moussaoui, they suppressed or ignored a mass of warnings about impending terrorist attacks by Al Qaeda within the United States, including suggestions that airplanes would be hijacked and used as suicide weapons.

CONTINUED w Lots o' Links...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/zacc-a26.shtml

Thanks for giving a damn, tasteblind. The Truth has the BFEE on the run.

[sattahipdeep]

11. Mastermind?

FBI agents have been forced to admit under cross-examination that
the FBI knew years before Sept. 11 that al-Qaida had plans to use
planes as missiles to destroy prominent buildings.

The blow-by-blow recitation Tuesday by prosecutor David Raskin of the
hijackings _ a stipulation of facts agreed to by both sides _ did
nothing to link Moussaoui to the plot, but nonetheless provided an emotional wallop.

FBI also had to acknowledge numerous missed opportunities in the months before Sept. 11
to catch two of the hijackers with terror links known to the government, even though the
pair frequently used their own names in this country to rent cars, purchase
plane tickets and even, once, to file a police report after getting mugged.

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1169458&tw=wn_wire_story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2150812

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2146415

[Octafish]

16. 'Why NO Journalist is allow to visit me'?

He may not be an arch-villain in the mold of say, Dick Cheney, but Moussaoui does seem to get "it."

"If they have such a strong case why I am stop in court to say my story about FBI cover up Why No Journalist is allow to visit me to hear my story Why did they gag me and stop Bro Freeman to visit me."

Zacarias Moussaoui

Call him the little hijacker who couldn't. Zacarias Moussaoui is the Barney Fife of al Qaeda — inept and bumbling. If he wasn't so rabid and bloodthirsty, he'd be good for comic relief. Oh, hell, he's still good for comic relief.

A Moroccan born in France in 1968, Moussaoui is kind of a terrorist roadie, a loser who somehow managed to attach himself to people with talent, rewarded for his dog-like loyalty by being assigned a series of menial tasks. It's just one of life's little ironies that Moussaoui has landed in the middle of the show-trial of the century.

Little is known of Moussaoui's early history. He grew up in the U.K. and went to college there. According to his indictment, he holds a master's degree, a fact which is a bit baffling when you look at his behavior.

The government's indictment of Moussaoui highlights his general worthlessness. The 31-page indictment deals primarily with al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and the September 11 attack, and has very little to say about the only defendant in the case, Moussaoui himself. This is a rather sharp contrast from the hundreds of pages of charges against other terrorism defendants, in indictments usually replete with detailed accusations (whether or not they can actually be proven). Moussaoui's indictment contains such explosive allegations as: "In or about March 2001, ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI joined a gym in Norman, Oklahoma." What a bastard!

A late bloomer, Moussaoui took the traditional terrorist route in 1998 with a trip to Afghanistan, where for more than a decade, bin Laden's suicide factories mass-produced homicidal lunatics by the gross. In 2000, Moussaoui traveled to Malaysia, where he is accused of having met with al Qaeda operatives, who provided him with money and travel documents.

CONTINUED...

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/zacarias-moussaoui/

Thanks for all the great info, there, sattahipdeep! Much obliged. Thanks also for giving a damn.

[DemonFighterLives]

12. Story should have legs

The Fbi members who suppressed the evidence both in MN and AZ were promoted for their heckuva jobs.
I'll have to get back to this topic.
Kick and Recommended in the meantime.

[highnooner]

13. Even if he is guilty,

He should not be given the satisfaction of execution therefore depriving him of the opportunity to mingle with lots of virgins in the after-life. BTW, I wonder how many virgins are actually left in heaven with all of these suicide bombings.

[DemonFighterLives]

27. There must be plenty of virgins in Heaven

For all the suicides and make believe suicides. I am suspect at nearly all supposed terrorist acts. It always seems that the chaos helps the bushies perpetual war. And with Negroponte in the picture, who the heck knows?

[Octafish]

17. Why Moussaoui Trial Should Be Televised.

This would make really important reality TV:

WHY THE ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI TRIAL SHOULD BE TELEVISED

By JULIE HILDEN
Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2002
Findlaw.com

From a civil liberties perspective, it seemed a hopeful sign when the Bush Administration did not insist on employing a military tribunal to try Zacarias Moussaoui, the man suspected of preparing to be the fifth terrorist aboard United Airlines Flight 93, the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania on September 11. But recently, we learned that the government is seeking a closed proceeding nonetheless - having argued successfully against televising Moussaoui's trial.

The government's taking this position, and the district judge's accepting it, are blows to the First Amendment.

SNIP...

If Moussaoui is guilty, any answers the trial might provide as to why he and other al Qaeda members hate America so much will appear only in cold print. Moreover, if the death penalty were imposed on Moussaoui - for four of the six charges against him allow it - the country will neither have seen nor heard the basis for the sentence of death, but merely read about it secondhand.

And if Moussaoui is innocent, even an acquittal likely will not clear his name. The effect of damning and widespread reports that he wanted to learn to fly, but not to take off or land, probably can, at this point, only be superseded by televised evidence to the contrary.

The world also needs to hear our side of this story. The government's opening and closing statements in the Moussaoui trial can tell that story - and televising opening and closing arguments for both prosecution and defense poses no risk to witnesses at all.

CONTINUED...

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20020122.html

Thanks for remembering, DemonFighterLives. Thanks for giving a damn, too.

[DemonFighterLives]

28. I do give a damn Octafish

From my observation point in MN, Moussaoui looked suspicious of something, but with the BFEE in charge, he looked like a bungler.

As with Brownie who looked better in the Katrina video and Abramoff (Buff Guy) calling dubby a liar or forgetful, it appears that some of the ones we choose to hate were really just guys who got ensnarled in the octopus. Moussaoui could have a good story to tell, but all we have been handed so far is the administration hogwash. Planes took the buildings down??? Al Quaeda did it all and got on those planes by slipping "security"??? Seems when normal people wanted answers to the foreigners training to fly planes, they got shut down. Total plan was much higher than Ossie and the 20 patsies IMHO.

Colleen Rowley is running for congress. A little more subdued than before, but her suspicions of the "gang" are well founded.
http://www.coleenrowley.com/index.php

Snip...

Our children and grandchildren's future is at risk because of the culture of corruption and cronyism in our government. My granddaughter Olivia was born already owing the Bush/DeLay 'birth tax' of $36,000 - each child born in 2005 is charged with an obligation to pay off the deficit.
This widespread abuse of power by the GOP establishment is nothing new. And my opponent John Kline enables these transgressions to continue by voting in almost total lockstep with the Republican establishment.



Great lady-- I don't know if this was posted yet?

[Octafish]

49. Rowley's somebody special, in all the best ways, DemonFighterLives.

From more special people, IATBW:

Two FBI Whistleblowers Accuse Bureau of Ignoring Warnings Before 9/11

Friday, April 9th, 2004

EXCERPT...

SIBEL EDMONDS: Well, some good questions were asked, however, many questions were not asked, and some questions remained unanswered. I would like to point out the one correction that Ms. Rice made during this hearing. Two weeks ago, I said -- I made a statement saying that Ms. Rice has a statement that "we did not have any specific information" was an outrageous lie. Ms. Rice corrected herself yesterday by saying, "I should have said, I personally was not aware rather than we." I think that's a very important piece that not many people have picked up on and who else is left after she herself removes herself from this statement? Who is she referring to when she says we? Now it's that "I am not" and "I was not aware" of this specific information. And so, that was not answered. And there was no question basically following up on that, and then another thing that she referred about breaking down the walls between counterterrorism, counterintelligence and criminal investigations and she's not mentioning the walls that the administration -- these people themselves create. And what has been glossed over so far under the name of diplomatic relations. And how many investigations were not pursued, despite the warnings, just due to the diplomatic relations that they are referring to. That leaves me very skeptical and I don't know who is going to answer these questions.

AMY GOODMAN: Coleen Rowley, could you understand that planes could be used at that point? Zacarias Moussaoui is in custody. He is learning how it use a plane. You have serious questions about him, but you can't even look at his hard drive.

COLEEN ROWLEY: Of course these were agents in my office doing the investigations, not me personally. But one of our agents actually spoke with somebody at Headquarters and suggested that this would be a type of a person who could fly a plane into the World Trade Center. At that time it was met with the remark, something like, "that ain't going to happen." Which again just displays the lack of understanding on the part of the people at Headquarters.

SNIP...

MEL GOODMAN: Well, it was clearly a review document, but it had current emphasis and current interest. The title of the piece, as you said earlier, was "bin Laden determined to strike inside the United States". This in itself should have attracted a good deal of attention. And then it went into F.B.I. reporting which was very sensitive at the time. Noting that there were increased indicators of hijackings that could take place in the United States, again inside the United States. And that there were increased indicators of infiltration from Canada, of al Qaeda terrorists, with explosives. Now, the last time I looked, Canada was on the United States' border. So, I don't know how Condi Rice cannot see the sensitivity of such reporting. And let me add one thing about the job of the National Security Advisor. The National Security Advisor was created to do two things above all else: one, to make sure that all relevant information and options got in front of the President, which she clearly didn't do with regard to al Qaeda cells operating in the United States. And two, to make sure that if the President wants something done, that it's indeed carried out. That's the vetting job that she has. She said several times during the testimony that the assumption was, there was an F.B.I. director and he carried out the jobs given to the F.B.I., so on and so forth. But we know now that there was a lot that wasn't done at the F.B.I. We know that the Transportation Secretary Mineta did not even know about the increased urgency. We know that the FAA didn't get reporting, and there was no oversight responsibility by the National Security Advisor. So, on that level, she wasn't doing her job.

AMY GOODMAN: Coleen Rowley, what was the reaction in your office on the morning of September 11 when the planes hit the World Trade Centers and then when the plane hit the Pentagon?

COLEEN ROWLEY: Unfortunately, within really probably just seconds or minutes of seeing the news, we realized that this connected with the matter in Minneapolis and began then to seek the criminal way of getting a search warrant.

CONTINUED... w Audio Interview...

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1524223

Thanks for helping peg the truth on these, um, people.

[Just Me]

18. I've always suspected he was a member of an intelligence op,...

,...

It's a damn shame I would hold such suspicions but, after everything I've read and witnessed, I can not help myself.

[Octafish]

19. Bush's gov'mint must think so, as well... 'Redacted.'

From Counterpunch:

Redacting Moussaoui

By JOANNE MARINER
Counterpunch
Weekend Edition
May 8 / 9, 2004

Those who like word-guessing games might enjoy the opinion that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit handed down last week in the Moussaoui case. Its text is interrupted in several dozen places with sets of asterisks -- **** -- that substitute for classified information that has been excised.

The deletions add a certain atmospherics to the opinion, reminding the reader that the case is about terrorism and national security. Zacarias Moussaoui, the defendant, is an admitted member of Al Qaeda. He was arrested in August 2001, while enrolled in flight training, having raised his instructors' suspicions by his single-minded interest in training on 747 commercial jet simulators that were ill-suited to his limited flying abilities. He now faces capital charges of conspiring in the September 11 terrorist attacks.

What has slowed down the prosecution considerably is the fact that the U.S. has arrested a number of high-level Al Qaeda operatives who, it seems likely, would offer exculpatory testimony in Moussaoui's defense. Moussaoui argues that these men can attest to the fact that he had no knowledge of the September 11 conspiracy. The question on appeal to the Fourth Circuit was whether the defendant's Sixth Amendment right to "compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor" requires the government to allow Moussaoui to put these detainees' testimony before the jury that will hear his case.

Unmentioned yet lurking in the background of the Fourth Circuit's newly-issued opinion are a couple of essential considerations. One is that if the federal case against Moussaoui falls apart, there is little doubt but that the defendant will be brought to trial before a military commission. The second is that the detainees to whom Moussaoui seeks access are being held in an extraordinary, extra-legal limbo, and neither the district court nor the Fourth Circuit have any way of monitoring their treatment.

Solomonic Justice

The Fourth Circuit's newly-issued opinion is not a clear win for Moussaoui or for the government. Issued by a divided court, as part of a complex package that includes two partially dissenting and partially concurring opinions, the opinion affirms Moussaoui's right to the detainees' testimony but also defers markedly to the government's stated security concerns.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/mariner05082004.html

Thanks for giving a damn, Just Me. People like you make this a world worth living in.

[Octafish]

20. Why would Dave FRASCA drop the ball on Moussaoui investigation?

That's a most important question:

Why did the guy who received warnings from Phoenix about possible terrorists learning how to fly passenger jets and who received warnings and a FISA request from Minneapolis (Rowley), stonewall the investigation?

Likely answer: He was covering some higher-ups behind. And for that, Frasca got promoted.

The cutting edge of the U.S. Government's pre-September 11 "do nothing policy" in regards to Al Qaeda terrorists.

The FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit in Washington D.C.

by Steve Moore
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)

EXCERPT...

According to Agent Rowley's 13 page memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller, Dave Frasca threw "up roadblocks and undermined Minneapolis' by now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French Intelligence service provided information and probable cause became clear." (Rowley's memo to FBI, May 21, 2002, page 3) (see the following web site) http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

Not only did Dave Frasca not share the information about Moussaoui to other appropriate intelligence/law enforcement authorities, he also, according to Rowley "never disclosed to the Minneapolis agents that the Phoenix Division had, only three weeks earlier, warned of Al Qaeda operatives in flight schools seeking flight training for terrorists purposes!" (Rowley's memo to FBI, May 21, 2002 p. 3) It is of course impossible to believe that Dave Frasca on his own, is just sitting on this information and not doing anything with it, unless ordered to do so.

The Minneapolis agents even tried to do an end run around Dave Frasca and notified the CIA's Counter Terrorist Center. The end result was that FBI headquarters personal (Dave Frasca and unnamed higher ups) "actually chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval." (Rowley Report, p. 4) Going even further, Dave Frasca "undercut" the search warrant application by not adding information on Moussaoui's foreign power connections which he had promised Minneapolis agents would be included. He also made damaging changes to the text provided by Minneapolis agents thereby, according to one Minneapolis agent, "setting this up for failure." (Rowley Report p. 4)

Even after the World Trade Center was hit, Agent Rowley asked Dave Frasca if she could now obtain a criminal search warrant for Moussaoui's laptop and personal property, she was again refused because it was probably all a "coincidence". Agent Rowley was warned to "do nothing" because "we might ‘screw up' something else going on elsewhere in the country." (Rowley Report, p. 7) The words "do nothing" are interesting; even more revealing what's to ‘screw up' at that point, except another plane going into another building?

After, when Rowley talked to other FBI agents in other parts of the country, the first question was Why?—"Why would an FBI agent(s) deliberately sabotage a case?" Agent Rowley reports that jokes were made that FBI Headquarters personnel were "spies" or "moles" who were actually "working for Osama Bin Laden." (Rowley Report p. 7) Apparently no one mentioned that it could be the other way around i.e., Bin Laden working for the CIA/FBI. The notion that Bush cabinet members were urging the CIA/FBI chiefs to keep a lit on local FBI investigative actions to arrest or curtail terrorist plots was, at the time, an unthinkable thought. That after all, would not be a joke. It would be one of the most murderous, diabolical cover up committed against American citizens by an American President and cabinet.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html

Hey, DU! Remember Bush's Reichstagfeuer?

[RBHam]

21. bootage

:kick:

[Octafish]

22. Ex-State Department Security Officer Charges Pre-9/11 Cover-Up

Yo, RBHam! I'm not Cockburn's biggest fan, but what the guy's unearthed makes my stomach turn and my teeth grind.

Karmilowicz's Story

Ex-State Department Security Officer Charges Pre-9/11 Cover-Up

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
Counterpunch
March 9, 2006

A former State Department security officer has given CounterPunch a detailed memoir and documents that point to very curious conduct by the CIA, Secret Service and FBI in the Philippines following warnings of an assassination bid on President Clinton during his November 12/13, 1994 visit to Manila.

The bid was organized by the 1993 WTC bomber Ramzi Yousef, at the direction of, and with financial support from, Osama bin Laden (who was indicted for the plot by a federal grand jury in August 1998).

A Pakistani linked to that Manila plot, and also to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency may still be at large. The security officer charges a U.S. cover-up of possible involvement by the Pakistani ISI in the 9/11/01 attack on the Trade Towers. Although given these same leads, the Official 9/11 Commission failed to investigate them.

This past December, Sam Karmilowicz finished a 21-year career as an officer in the U.S. State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Back in 1994 he was working as an Assistant Regional Security Officer at the U.S. Embassy in Manila, when John D. Negroponte was the ambassador. These days, Negroponte is the U.S. Director of National Intelligence.

On the morning of September 18, 1994, Karmilowicz recalls, "the U.S. embassy received a telephone call from an anonymous person (who spoke with a distinct middle eastern accent) concerning his knowledge of an assassination plot against President William Clinton, who was scheduled to visit Manila that coming November."

CONTINUED MUST READ IMFO...

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03092006.html

So. Was "Al Qaeda working for Poppy's Secret CIA Team?

It seems they've done all they could to advance their agenda of world domination, as in "I'm the cowboy. You're the dead Indian."

They'll assassinate libruls, conservatives and anybody else who'll help them and their cause.

Thanks for the kick to the pants of the BFEE, RBHam. Thanks for giving a damn, DU Friend!

[Octafish]

23. WaPo: Instructor Warned of Moussaoui in Early 2001

Tell me the FBI didn't know what was going on.

Instructor Warned of Moussaoui in Early 2001

Al-Qaeda Member Couldn't Fly Planes Well, Ex-Teachers Say

By Timothy Dwyer, Jerry Markon and William Branigin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 9, 2006; 4:24 PM

An instructor who tried to teach Zacarias Moussaoui to fly an airplane described his student in court today as a lousy pilot but one who could have learned enough to obtain a private license with more instruction.

Testifying in the penalty trial of Moussaoui, who has pleaded guilty to six conspiracy counts related to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Shohaib Kassam said that despite 56 hours of flight training in a Cessna, the al-Qaeda member could not fly the plane straight or level, could not descend and was unable to fly solo.

A second instructor, Clarence Prevost, described how he immediately became suspicious of Moussaoui and urged his supervisors to call the FBI. Prevost, the first person to raise an alarm about the strange student pilot, said he voiced suspicion to a supervisor that Moussaoui could use the training he sought to hijack an airplane.

Kassam described Moussaoui, 37, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, as "argumentative, but in a friendly way." Moussaoui sometimes challenged Kassam's instruction and blamed others for his own shortcomings, the instructor testified.

"He had a nickname for me: 'WI,' the worst instructor, but I took that as a joke," Kassam told the jury in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va. The trial will determine whether Moussaoui receives the death penalty for his role in the Sept. 11 plot. The prosecutions says he bears responsibility for the nearly 3,000 deaths that resulted from the Sept. 11 attacks because he lied to investigators so that the plot could go forward.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/09/AR2006030901143.html

So much corruption.

So little time.

[Octafish]

24. HOW COME NO ONE MENTIONS ROWLEY?

From today's FBI testiphony:

Agent testifies Moussaoui lied to him

By Matthew Barakat, Associated Press Writer | March 9, 2006

ALEXANDRIA, Va. --The FBI agent who arrested Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 testified Thursday that the confessed al-Qaida conspirator lied to him repeatedly after the arrest. The agent said those lies impeded the agency's investigation.

"The answers dictate the logical course of the interview," said FBI agent Harry Samit, who arrested Moussaoui on Aug. 16, 2001, for immigration violations. "You can't ask logical follow-up questions if he provides misleading answers. It takes you down all sorts of alleys -- wild goose chases, essentially."

Moussaoui's statements to agents are key to his sentencing trial because prosecutors are seeking to prove that his lies prevented agents from foiling al-Qaida's attack on the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001.

CONTINUED...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/03/09/moussaouis_flight_training_detailed/

So why didn't headquarters authorize a FISA warrant to search his laptop?

FISA never stopped BushCo before or since.

[oasis]

50. Thanks Octafish, for helping to rip the covers off of the coverup. (n/t)

[Octafish]

56. You're welcome, oasis! Another name to remember: Marion "Spike" Bowman

...as well as David Frasca and Michael Maltbie, a good reminder from the good folks at cooperative research.com:

January 10, 2003

Government Employees Responsible for 9/11 Failures Are Promoted


FBI Director Mueller personally awards Marion (Spike) Bowman with a presidential citation and cash bonus of approximately 25 percent of his salary. Bowman, head of the FBI's National Security Law Unit and the person who refused to seek a special warrant for a search of Zacarias Moussaoui's belongings before the 9/11 attacks, is among nine recipients of bureau awards for “exceptional performance.” The award comes shortly after a 9/11 Congressional Inquiry report saying Bowman's unit gave Minneapolis FBI agents “inexcusably confused and inaccurate information” that was “patently false.” Bowman's unit also blocked an urgent request by FBI agents to begin searching for Khalid Almihdhar after his name was put on a watch list. In early 2000, the FBI acknowledged serious blunders in surveillance Bowman's unit conducted during sensitive terrorism and espionage investigations, including agents who illegally videotaped suspects, intercepted e-mails without court permission, and recorded the wrong phone conversations. As Senator Charles Grassley (R) and others have pointed out, not only has no one in government been fired or punished for 9/11, but several others have been promoted:

SOURCE:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-583

Consider the source, heh heh heh.

[oasis]

63. It seems Bowman's cash "award" was quid pro quo for intentional bungling

of the Moussaoui investigation. He also hindered the fact gathering efforts of other FBI agents.

This character, "Spike" Bowman needs to be put under the microscope.

[Octafish]

69. FBI Radical Fundamentalist Unit muffed 9-11 but advanced several careers.

Excellent point, oasis. The fellah got a quarter of his annual sinecure for keeping his wug shut.

Let's flush these turds through the toily. A start...

FBI Radical Fundamentalist Unit muffed 9-11 but advanced several careers.

Here's a nice resource from a 9-11 Summer of Truth conference in NY in September 2004, with the names of suspected bad guys and more than a few good guys:

Confronting the Evidence:
Program Outline and Script

Version of Sept. 11th, 2004 at 11:30AM
With final revisions by guests, 6:30 PM

By Nicholas Levis & Bryan Sacks

EXCERPT...

RUN CLIP D (about 4 mins.) {Points covered in the clip: 1) The FBI Minneapolis field office in Aug. 2001 was investigating the just-arrested Zacarias Mossaoui, later alleged to have been "the 20th hijacker." Its investigation was blocked so vigorously from the top that the agents joked Bin Laden had a mole at the FBI. This was revealed by whistleblower Coleen Rowley. 2) Ken Williams, Phoenix FBI office, sent famous July 2001 memo suggesting FBI keep tabs on suspicious flight-school students. Suppressed. 3) Robert Wright, Chicago field office, investigating suspected terrorist cell for three years, had his case closed in January 2001. Later wrote 500-page manuscript about how he was obstructed and might have uncovered the alleged hijackers. Three years later, the FBI is still keeping the book under a publication stop. 4) Was this related to the 199i order of January 2001? The incoming Bush administration forced a well-documented stop on investigations into Saudi financing of terror and connections to the Bin Laden family, which is closely connected to the Bush family. 5) Sibel Edmonds, FBI translator, after 9/11 uncovered evidence of internal corruption and criminal conspiracy to cover up advance information about 9/11. Placed under a gag order, she is finding ways to courageously push the envelope. She has joined with the 9/11 truth movement. 6) Did "Bin Laden" have a mole? It turns out that almost all of these investigations were blocked by the same high-level FBI office, the radical fundamentalist unit including officials Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman. What was their motivation?}

CONTINUED...

http://summeroftruth.org/confronting_the_evidence.html

Gee. It’s another of those “Brownie, you’re doin’ a heckuva job” moments in Reich history.

What the real Republican Grassley thought about the promotion:

February 25, 2003

The Honorable Robert S. Mueller
Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20535


Dear Director Mueller:

I am writing to you about your "Presidential Rank Award" to Marion "Spike"Bowman and the FBI's response to my January 9 letter about the matter.

Today, Sen. Leahy, Sen. Specter and I released a report of our investigation into the FBI's problems implementing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). In addition to the cultural and systemic problems plaguing the FBI and the processing of FISA warrants, the report highlighted problems with the National Security Law Unit.

The report shows that Mr. Bowman (named as "Attorney #1" in the report) and three other attorneys who work with him could not provide the legal definition of "probable cause," which is one element needed to obtain a FISA warrant. (Pages 43-44).

The two supervisors at headquarters who handled the Zacarias Moussaoui case also did not understand the basic elements of FISA, even though they were questioned in July of 2002, long enough after the attacks of September 11, 2001 for them to re-examine the facts of the case and to refresh their understanding of the relevant legal concepts. Mr. Bowman bears a great deal of responsibility for their obvious lack of training.

This is one reason why I was so concerned about the award you granted him, and the message it sends to agents in the field.

In my original letter, I asked that you read the transcript of this session so you could see the evident problems first hand. I understand that another FBI official read the transcript instead. This person stated in the FBI response letter that you are "already generally familiar with the issues raised at that hearing." Yet the letter omits any mention of the deficiencies Bowman and the other attorneys demonstrated. The transcript of the sessions makes the problems plain and explicit.

Our report on the FBI's FISA problems is hardly the only record of this issue. The Joint Inquiry of the Intelligence Committees, in particular, highlighted FISA problems at the FBI, particularly in the Moussaoui case. All of these problems are not Mr. Bowman's fault, but many of them have occurred during Mr. Bowman's tenure. This is another reason I was concerned by the award. Yet it seems the FBI is reluctant to admit mistakes, a problem I had hoped you would fix. I appreciate the biographical information about Mr. Bowman and an explanation of his duties and accomplishments. I do not doubt his work ethic, integrity or patriotism. I do question his judgment in a particular case. This case, in a substantive sense, was an important indicator of the attacks of September 11, 2001. In a symbolic sense, the case and all of its problems were indicative of what needs to be fixed at the FBI, particularly with regards to FISA and headquarters personnel.

We obviously disagree on this matter, but I had hoped you or your representative would have taken the transcript of our interview of Mr. Bowman and others more seriously. Perhaps the report released today can explain my concerns more fully.

In the future, I hope more care is taken in granting the "Presidential Rank Awards."

Sincerely,

Charles E. Grassley
Member

I disagree with Grassley’s observation of Bowman’s patriotism.

Bowman’s are the actions of a traitor.

[ngGale]

25. K ...

Knowledge is power...

[Octafish]

33. Flight instructor testified bosses said 'Fuhgedaboudid.'

Knowledge IS power.

And power is everybody's business.

Agent testifies Moussaoui lied to him

By Matthew Barakat, Associated Press Writer | March 9, 2006

EXCERPT...

The instructor at the Minnesota flight school, Clarence Prevost, told Moussaoui's death-penalty trial it was strange that his student was seeking training on a complex commercial jetliner with hardly any pilot experience, but he assumed Moussaoui was a rich guy who was "just fulfilling a dream."

But on the first day of classes, when Moussaoui responded to a question about his religion with a terse "I am nothing," Prevost became suspicious.

"I said, 'Should we be doing this?'" Prevost told the court. "'We don't know anything about this guy and we're teaching him to throw the switches on a (Boeing) 747.'"

He said he raised his concern the next morning with a school official and was told not to worry. Prevost said he responded, "We'll care when there's a hijacking."

Prevost said he became even more concerned after learning Moussaoui paid $6,800 for his training in $100 bills. Eventually, the school agreed to call the FBI and Moussaoui was arrested two days later, Aug. 16, 2001, on immigration violations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/03/09/moussaouis_flight_training_detailed/

...in a democracy, that is.

Thanks for giving a damn, ngGale! Truly appreciate you and Francis Bacon.

[Pastiche423]

26. When I heard on my evening news

that Moussaoui must die because he had news prior to 9/11 and could have prevented it, my jaw dropped and very naughty words spewed forth from my pretty mouth toward my tv.

If that were the case, then anyone w/pre-knowledge of 9/11 that din't forewarn should also be condemned to die.

That's a HELL of a lot of people. Many of those people work for our Federal government.

Btw, how many other countries tried to warn us?

[Octafish]

34. Germany, Russia, Egypt... the United States of America...

There's no shortage of reasons Bush should not have sat on his hands when Andy Card told him "America is under attack."

Friday :: March 19, 2004

Clinton Aides to Testify They Repeatedly Warned Bush Aides of Al Qaeda Risk

The 9/11 Congressional panel will hear some troubling information next week from aides of former President Clinton:

Senior Clinton administration officials called to testify next week before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration counterparts in late 2000 that Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation ? and how the new administration was slow to act.

They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser; Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.

Richard Clarke, Clinton's counterterrorism coordinator, whose book, Against All Enemies : Inside the White House's War on Terror--What Really Happened, is being released Monday, says:

...the warning about the Qaeda threat could not have been made more bluntly to the incoming Bush officials in intelligence briefings that he led. At the time of the briefings, there was extensive evidence tying Al Qaeda to the bombing in Yemen two months earlier of an American warship, the Cole, in which 17 sailors were killed. "It was very explicit," Mr. Clarke said of the warning given to the Bush administration officials. "Rice was briefed, and Hadley was briefed, and Zelikow sat in."

The White House does not dispute that it received the information. The dispute is over what was done with the information. The Clinton aides say the Bush administration sat on it and that terrorism was a low priority until Sept. 11. Bush says he made terrorism a top priority and followed through on Clinton's policies.

In addition to Clarke, Those expected to testify Tuesday and Wednesday before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States are Clinton's Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, Defense Secretary William S. Cohen and National Security Advisor Samuel R. Berger.

CONTINUED...

http://www.talkleft.com/new_archives/005724.html

So. Why did Bush go into freeze mode?

[seemslikeadream]

29. Mr. Fish you always leave me speechless

[Karenina]

30. Kick!

:kick:

[Octafish]

38. Moussaoui, Bush, and NSA

So, why doesn't anybody in Corporate McPravda ever mention what Bush said?

Light, from angela's blog

Moussaoui, Bush, and NSA

By angela

So, Moussaoui was planning to kill us later as he claimed?

Zacarias Moussaoui has claimed all along that he was not preparing for the 9-11 attacks, but for a second wave of attacks. Bush’s speech detailing the existence of a 2002 West Coast plot and an earlier speech mentioning a 2003 East coast plot corroborates Moussaoui’s claims. When officials provided the list of participants in this plot, Moussaoui’s name was on the list.

The other two men implicated in the attack plans were Zacarias Moussaoui, who is in U.S. custody, and Abderraouf Jdey (tunisia), who remains at large with a $5 million U.S. bounty on his head.

The mastermind of the 9-11 plot, KSM, revealed Moussaoui’s role in the West Coast attack during his interrogation. Of course, the interrogation took place after the indictment of Moussaoui as the 20th hijacker in the 9-11 attacks.

DHS official Fran Townsend gave the white house timeline for the planning of the West Coast attack.

In October 2001, the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, Khalid Shaykh Muhammad (KSM), began planning the attack against the U.S. Bank Tower, formerly known as the Library Tower, which is located in Los Angeles and is the tallest building on the U.S. West Coast.

If the Bush Administration believes that the planning for the attacks began after 9-11, how can we go forward with charging Moussaoui with a role in the 9-11 attacks? Do we need to reindict him for the second wave attacks? Of the six charges on the current indictment only the charge of conspiring to murder U.S. employees does not contain the phrase

with the result that thousands of people died on September 11, 2001.

Moussaoui came to the attention of the FBI because of suspicions from his flight school not Rumfeld’s Defense Department. Coleen Rowley who describes herself as “legal counsel to the Minneapolis FBI Division and witness to the entire Moussaoui case,” said the failures in the case have nothing to do with FISA and do not justify Bush’s warrantless wiretap program.

From Rowley’s blog:

No evidence whatsoever was presented at any time to the Justice Department of Moussaoui’s suspicious flight training and ties with terrorism. The Justice Department's Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, which handles FISA matters, was never contacted. Furthermore, no contact was made either with criminal attorneys in the Department of Justice or with the U.S. Attorney's Office. Therefore, no decision was ever made by Department of Justice personnel regarding the given evidence and its application to FISA or criminal standards.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/26586

Vielen dank, schoene Fraulein.

[Octafish]

35. Able Danger and Moussaoui

'Dreamy, there's no one like you.



And that's why this is such a great universe.

Able Danger and Moussaoui

Rory O'Connor | January 31, 2006
This article first appeared on NavySEALs.com and MediaChannel.org

EXCERPT...

Others connected with the Able Danger program, including defense analysts such as Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer and Captain Mark Phillpott, are also expected to be called to testify. Both longtime military analysts, along with several others involved in the Able Danger program, say their operation identified Mohamed Atta and three other 9/11 hijackers a year before the terror attacks. They were slated to speak at open hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee September 21, but at the last minute the Defense Department abruptly refused permission for their stories to be told and the hearings were postponed indefinitely.

SNIP...

In granting part of a January 20 defense motion for documents, Judge Leonie M. Brinkema of Federal District Court acted without even waiting for the government's response.

"Several of the categories of information are so critical to the issues in this case," Judge Brinkema wrote, "That the court can address some of the requests without a response."

Judge Brinkema ordered the government to turn over any threat assessments immediately, especially those (like Able Danger) completed in the year before the 2001 attacks. Her order was released after government censors blacked out about five lines of it.

SNIP...

The defense may also argue that agents already had more information about the plot than Moussaoui could have provided. "Their second argument could be that the authorities could have prevented the 9/11 attacks without apprehending Moussaoui ahead of time," the attorney reasoned, "Since there is nothing Moussaoui could have told them that they couldn't have learned about from Able Danger."

CONTINUED...

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,86777,00.html

So, whaddayaknow?

[seemslikeadream]

40. And he turned to his people and said dry your eyes

The general rode for sixteen days
The horses were thirsty and tired
On the trail of a renegade chief
One he'd come to admire
The soldiers hid behind the hills
That surrounded the village
And he rode down to warn the chief
They'd come to conquer and pillage

Lay down your arms
Lay down your spear
The chief's eyes were sad
But showed no sign of fear

It is a good day to die
Oh my children dry your eyes
It is a good day to die

He spoke of the days before the white man came
With his guns and whisky
He told of a time a long time ago
Before what you call history
The general couldn't believe his words
Nor the look on his face
But he knew these people would rather die
Then have to live in this disgrace

What law have I broken
What wrong have I done
That makes you want to bury me
Upon this trail of blood

We cared for the land and the land cared for us
And that's the way it's always been
Never asked for more never asked too much
And now you tell me this is the end

I laid down my weapon
Laid down my bow
Now you want to drive me out
With no place left to go

And he turned to his people and said dry your eyes
We've been blessed and we are thankful
Raise your voices to the sky
It is a good day to die

Robbie Robertson

[Clara T]

46. I am listening to that song

at this moment.

Strange coincidence.

[Octafish]

47. What kind of man would willfully hurt a child?

Friday, May 31, 2002

Ex-agent: Don't blame Methuen native

By Meredith Warren Eagle-Tribune Writer

A former FBI agent said too much blame is being placed on Methuen native David P. Frasca for the agency's failure to react to crucial reports that may have prevented the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "You can't place blame and you shouldn't place blame," said Tanya S. DeGenova, a retired special agent who worked at the bureau's Washington, D.C., headquarters, where Frasca is head of the agency's Radical Fundamentalist Unit.

SNIP...

The May 21 letter blasted Frasca's office and FBI headquarters for fumbling the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, dubbed the "20th hijacker" by authorities who say he was being trained to take part in the Sept. 11 hijackings. Moussaoui was arrested in August, and Rowley said if agents had been allowed to investigate him more completely, they might have uncovered the Sept. 11 plot. While she never mentions Frasca by name, Rowley's letter also accuses the office he supervises of failing to act on a July report from a Phoenix FBI agent that Middle Eastern men with ties to Muslim extremist groups were training to fly planes.

Three U.S. senators sent a letter to Mueller demanding to know what Frasca's role was in evaluating the field office's appeals to further investigate Moussaoui. In her 13-page letter to Mueller, Rowley points to "the counterterrorism unit chief" and the "FBI Supervisory Special Agent (SSA)" as the two most involved in the Moussaoui matter. Although the name of the agent has not been made public, it has been reported that, as unit chief, Frasca was his or her boss. DeGenova, a former SSA at both the FBI headquarter's National Security Division and the Boston field office who now runs a private investigative business based in Boston and Marblehead, called Rowley's letter a "cover your (behind) a little bit" memo. DeGenova said she was not a personal acquaintance of Frasca's when she worked at headquarters from 1992 to 1996, but "never heard anything bad about him."

When a report is filed by a field agent, DeGenova said, it must pass through a chain of command. The field agent first brings the information to a supervisor in his own office before it is sent to an SSA at FBI headquarters, she said. If the SSA determines that there is "probable cause" for further investigation, the report is passed on to the FBI director, the Department of Justice and finally to a special court staffed by federal circuit judges. All of this must occur before a court order is issued, she said. Because of this mechanism, the blame cannot be placed solely on Frasca, she said. The actions of the Minneapolis field office and Frasca's bosses must also be investigated, she said.

SNIP...

At this point, DeGenova said, if Rowley wasn't satisfied with the response from Frasca's office, it was her responsibility to pursue it further with her own supervisor, who could have then contacted Frasca's bosses. DeGenova said that "sometimes things fall through the cracks" at the bureau's headquarters. As an SSA, she said, she often worked seven days a week and had little administrative assistance to deal with field reports that inundated the office. Sometimes, she said, the field agents even handed in reports that were not properly written. "The SSAs in headquarters are not just slugs or inept. They're actually overworked," she said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tsdconsulting.com/inthenews_2002.htm

And from the James Brown Songbook:

The Boss

1-2-get down

Pay the cause to be the boss
Pay the cause to be the boss
Pay the cause to be the boss

Look at me
you know what you see,
you see a bad mutha
Look at me
you know what you see,
you see a bad mutha

Pay the cause to be the boss
Pay the cause to be the boss
Heh!
heh!told you so!
told you so!

Havin fun, fooling around
Havin fun, got money to boot

Cause pay the cause to be the boss X3
Caught,tracked
turned my back uhh!

Pay the cause to be the boss
Im a bad mutha
Im a bad mutha

Head for the turn around
Head for the turn around
told you so

Pay the cause to be the boss...........

Hell will lurk in ambush
to receive home the arrogant,
who will linger there for ages.
They will taste nothing cool in it nor any drink
except hot bathwater and slops,
a fitting compensation
since they have never expected any reckoning
and have wittingly rejected Our signs.
Everything We have calculated in writing.
"So taste! Yet We shall only increase torment for you!"


4. Islam. Qur'an 78.21-30

[seemslikeadream]

41. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER

BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724

[Octafish]

45. Good that you brought that up, seemslikeadream. These rat bastards knew.

Remember how Rowley said the Minneapolis agents joked that it seemed Osama had a mole at FBI headquarters?



They never thought that maybe Osama and FBI headquarters were on the same side.

September 11 cover-up crumbles: Who was covering for Moussaoui, and why?

By Patrick Martin
29 May 2002

EXCERPT...

One lie replaces another

Then came the revelation this month that September 11 was not such a surprise. Press reports compelled the White House to admit that Bush had been briefed on August 6, 2001—more than a month before the attacks on New York and Washington—about Al Qaeda threats to hijack US commercial airliners.

The official story changed abruptly. Instead of no advance warning, White House and FBI spokesmen now claimed there had been too many warnings. The evidence had been plentiful, but so fragmentary that no one was able to put it together in time to forestall the hijackings.

SNIP...

This new cover story lasted barely a week before it was exploded by Rowley’s 13-page letter to Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee. Among other things, Rowley revealed that the local FBI reports from Arizona and Minneapolis had ended up on the desk of the same official at FBI headquarters, David Frasca, head of the Radical Fundamentalists Unit. Even on the morning of September 11, as the Minneapolis FBI agents were watching television coverage of the suicide attacks on the Twin Towers, Frasca called Rowley to tell her not to proceed with an investigation of Moussaoui because Minneapolis might “screw up” something else going on elsewhere in the country.

Nor were these the isolated actions of a single misguided official. Rowley points out, “Despite FBI leaders’ full knowledge of all the items mentioned herein ... the SSA , his unit chief, and other involved HQ personnel were allowed to stay in their positions and, what’s worse, occupy critical positions in the FBI’s SIOC Command Center post-September 11th. (The SSA in question actually received a promotion some months afterward!)”

Rowley’s letter confirms that there was extensive discussion within the government on the danger of hijackings by Islamic fundamentalists, although the public was not informed. Repeated efforts to investigate were being thwarted. Top-level FBI officials were protecting Moussaoui and his confederates, running interference for him when his own reckless and impulsive conduct brought him to the attention of the authorities. The question is, why?

CONTINUED...w/loads of must-read WSWS articles on this subject...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/sept-m29.shtml

There is a stream of fire from which emerge poisonous flames.
There is none else there except the self.
The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame
And the sinners are burning in them.

2. Sikhism. Adi Granth, Maru Solahe, M.1, p. 1026

[seemslikeadream]

68. Ex-State Department Security Officer Charges Pre-9/11 Cover-Up

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03092006.html

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

A former State Department security officer has given CounterPunch a detailed memoir and documents that point to very curious conduct by the CIA, Secret Service and FBI in the Philippines following warnings of an assassination bid on President Clinton during his November 12/13, 1994 visit to Manila.

The bid was organized by the 1993 WTC bomber Ramzi Yousef, at the direction of, and with financial support from, Osama bin Laden (who was indicted for the plot by a federal grand jury in August 1998).

A Pakistani linked to that Manila plot, and also to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency may still be at large. The security officer charges a U.S. cover-up of possible involvement by the Pakistani ISI in the 9/11/01 attack on the Trade Towers. Although given these same leads, the Official 9/11 Commission failed to investigate them.

This past December, Sam Karmilowicz finished a 21-year career as an officer in the U.S. State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Back in 1994 he was working as an Assistant Regional Security Officer at the U.S. Embassy in Manila, when John D. Negroponte was the ambassador. These days, Negroponte is the U.S. Director of National Intelligence.

On the morning of September 18, 1994, Karmilowicz recalls, "the U.S. embassy received a telephone call from an anonymous person (who spoke with a distinct middle eastern accent) concerning his knowledge of an assassination plot against President William Clinton, who was scheduled to visit Manila that coming November."

[Octafish]

71. Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases

Thanks, 'Dreamy! Cockburn sure can put things into words...

Speaking of treason, a story that went away all too quickly:

Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases

The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI

By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry
NEWSWEEK

Sept. 15 — U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that

suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in

Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military

installations in the 1990s.



THREE OF THE alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers

licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola,

Fla.—known as the “Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation,” according to a

high-ranking U.S. Navy source.



Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy

and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another

high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received language

instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both were

former Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United States, according

to the Pentagon source.



But there are slight discrepancies between the military training

records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackers—either in the

spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source

said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of

the foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915newsweek

What would we do without the truth slipping under the cell door, on occassion?

[seemslikeadream]

73. You may pay for your silence with your life

Song of Choice

Early every year, seeds are growing
Unseen, unheard, they lie beneath the ground
Would you know before the leaves are showing
That with weeds all your garden will abound?

If you close your eyes, stop your ears
Hold your mouth, how can you know?
The seeds you cannot see may not be there
The seeds you cannot hear may never grow

In January you've still got the choice
You can cut the weeds before they start to bud
If you leave them to grow higher, they'll silence your voice
And in December you may pay with your blood

Close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Everyday another vulture takes flight
There's another danger born every morning
In the darkness of your blindness the beast will learn to bite
How can you fight if you can't recognize a warning?

Close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth and then you know
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Today you may earn a living wage
Tomorrow you may be on the dole
Though there's millions going hungry, you needn't disengage
For it's them, not you, that's fallen in the hole

It's alright for you if you run with the pack
It's alright if you agree with all they do
If the fascist's party slowly climbing back
It's not here yet, so what's it got to do with you?

The weeds are all around us and they're growing
It will soon be too late for the knife
If you leave them on the wind that around the world is blowing
You may pay for your silence with your life

Close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth, they're never there
And if it happens here, they'll never come for you
Because they'll know you really didn't care

Peggy Seeger


"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer, ein Volk"



One Hope, One people, One country, One leader.
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny.

Stand up be brave my people we're here to stay, for a thousand years.
An oath you've spoken, can never be broken, you'll pay, in blood and tears
Never tire, never doubt, never falter, never slacken, Just believe in me.
Stand up, shout loud, stand proud, in what we will we will achieve.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk.

It's not enough just to say you love your country, its not enough.
It's not enough to get down on your knees and pray, it's just not enough.

The price is high, the price you have to pay is your freedom, surrender yourselves.
Mothers send me your blue-eyed blonde-haired boys and let me see them, blue-eyed blonde-haired boys.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free.
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years.

How and Why Fascists Overtook the American Government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2152568

George W Bush is a NAZI Stooge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2418676#2423787

Nazis in the Republican Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1872652

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853


How the Bush Family Wealth is Linked to the Jewish Holocaust
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=311500

The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America by John Stanton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=572722

Enough with the "_______ is worse than/ as bad as Hitler"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1730317

[Octafish]

74. If Bush does it ''Over There,'' the NAZI will it ''Over Here.''

DUers may enjoy the work of Zbigniew Libera:



Everyone who gives a damn about republics and democracy should appreciate the work of Peter Dale Scott:

10-Year U.S. Strategic Plan For Detention Camps Revives Proposals From Oliver North

News Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott,
New America Media, Feb 21, 2006

Editor's Note: A recently announced contract for a Halliburton subsidiary to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists." Scott is author of "Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). He is completing a book on "The Road to 9/11." Visit his Web site at http://www.peterdalescott.net.

The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose.

Both the contract and the budget allocation are in partial fulfillment of an ambitious 10-year Homeland Security strategic plan, code-named ENDGAME, authorized in 2003. According to a 49-page Homeland Security document on the plan, ENDGAME expands "a mission first articulated in the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798." Its goal is the capability to "remove all removable aliens," including "illegal economic migrants, aliens who have committed criminal acts, asylum-seekers (required to be retained by law) or potential terrorists."

SNIP...

In truth, both parties have virtually abandoned the John F. Kennedy vision of an Alliance for Progress in Latin America. Kennedy's hope was that, by raising the standard of living of Latin America's poor, there would be less pressure on them to emigrate to the United States.

That vision foundered when successive administrations, both Democratic and Republican, contributed to the overthrow of democratically elected governments in Brazil, Chile and elsewhere, replacing them with oppressive dictatorships.

CONTINUED...

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=9c2d6a5e75201d7e3936ddc65cdd56a9

Gee. It's getting to be a regular Rex 84 Redux around here.

[lonestarnot]

31. Octafish on the money AGAIN! KICK!

[Octafish]

36. Moussaoui Trial Details August 2001 Arrest

The law never stopped the BFEE from going through innocent people's email, phone calls and mail.



Why would they decide to go straight for Moussaoui?

Moussaoui Trial Details August 2001 Arrest

FBI Agent Says Officials Would Have Acted Immediately Had They Known Moussaoui's Intentions

By JASON RYAN and THERESA WIEBERG

March 9, 2006 — - A key witness in the government's death penalty case against Zacarias Moussaoui testified for four hours today about the FBI investigation of the admitted al Qaeda operative in the days leading up to 9/11.

SNIP...

FBI Agent Harry Samit testified that after FBI headquarters shot down several attempts by Minnesota-based field agents to apply for search warrants for Moussaoui's bags and laptop computer, agents received information from France that Moussaoui had ties to Chechen terrorists. The French government was also interested in investigating Moussaoui's activities as an Islamic extremist. The U.S. government finalized a deal with France on September 10, 2001, to deport Moussaoui to his home country, where French authorities would have the authority to search his belongings.

SNIP...

The testimony also revealed details about the arrest of Hussein Al-Attas, Moussaoui's one-time roommate who drove them to flight school in Minnesota. Attas was arrested the day after Moussaoui for immigration violations. Samit said that during interviews with agents, Attas told federal agents Moussaoui said it was "perfectly acceptable to kill civilians in jihad."

Moussaoui and Attas told agents they were going to travel to New York and Denver after Moussaoui finished flight school. Moussaoui told Samit he had business in Denver with a major airline.

Seemed Like 'A Guy With Too Much Money'

Earlier in the day the prosecution questioned Moussaoui's flight instructors from Oklahoma and Minnesota. Shohaib Nazir Kassim testified that Moussaoui "was not a very good pilot, he couldn't maintain basic aircraft control." Kassim also remembers a brief encounter with Mohammed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi at the Airman flight school in 2000, but could not remember many details other exchanging a "hello" with the men.

CONTINUED...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1707594&page=1

Why did the FBI Washington HQ ignore the warnings of the Minnesota FBI field office?

Why did the FBI fail to investigate Moussaoui?

Why did the FBI fail to obtain a FISA warrant to search his laptop?

The law never stopped them before.

[lonestarnot]

67. kick

[Binka]

37. Psychopathic Narcissistic Murderers They Will Kill Us All If We Let Them

Thanks Octafish I wish we were still giving out hearts but instead today I give you lovely Peyton Rose under the fountain. For her, and Ben, and Callie, and Ian, and all the rest of the young people on this planet I will not stop fighting these giggling serial killers.

[Octafish]

42. They're running scared, Binka!

Their biggest fear is becoming evident to more and more people -- that the Truth about their evil nature becoming known.

That is why the pen is mightier than the sword and why the Truth is our most potent weapon.



Thanks, Binka! That happy, beautiful and wonderful child is why we work.

As a father (and now grandfather! Can't believe where the time went...), I find children to be proof of this being a most special existence.

Seeing Peyton Rose and her smile show how this can be the most wonderful world. Her happy face and the smile she wears are two of the most beautiful and precious images in the universe.

Thank you for sharing that image with me and DU. Thank you for sharing your blessing with us.

[MrBenchley]

39. Also AshKKKroft accidentally GAVE him classified material

and then had trouble getting it back!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-26-moussaoui_x.htm

[Octafish]

43. Wellstone co-pilot played 'minor' role in story of Moussaoui

Thanks, MrBenchley. Missed that about that fine traitor Johnny Ashcan.

Co-pilot played minor role in story of Moussaoui

Associated Press, 26 October 2002

MINNEAPOLIS - The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan flight school.

Co-pilot Michael Guess had performed administrative work at the Pan Am International Flight Academy last year as he continued accumulating flying hours. There he met Moussaoui, the school's most infamous student.

Two former Pan Am program managers who tipped the FBI to Moussaoui's suspicious behavior at the school in August 2001 told the Star Tribune that Guess inadvertently gave Moussaoui unattended access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet.

One of the ex-managers said Guess placed a CD-ROM containing the 747 software at a work station in advance of one of Moussaoui's training sessions, before his flight instructor arrived. After Moussaoui was arrested and the FBI searched his belongings, they found the proprietary program copied on his laptop computer, the ex-manager said.

Guess was a victim of layoffs several weeks ago at the flight academy, where he had hoped to become a flight instructor.

CONTINUED from archive:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/PWcopilot.html

A small world. And very, very bad.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070605_wellstone.shtml

[lonestarnot]

44. Very very very bad!

[Octafish]

55. We're living in gangster times, lonestarnot.

The question is what are we going to do about it?

Resisting them through non-violent means and spreading the truth has proven effective, so far.

Too bad the voting machines don't work.

Until that day, mehr licht:

The Purity of Coleen Rowley



She has limited campaign funding and won't pose for the cover of Time.
But Rowley might have what it takes to win a congressional election.

Beth Hawkins
Mother Jones
March/April 2006 Issue

A second slice of peppermint ice cream pie sits softening on one arm of the candidate’s puffy, oversize chair. Coleen Rowley, erstwhile FBI whistleblower, 2002 Time Person of the Year, grandmother, and Iraq war critic, also happens to be a dedicated triathlon competitor and, possibly as a consequence, possessed of the kind of appetite boomers of a certain socioeconomic stature rarely display in public these days. She’ll get to the pie, a maraschino-tint-ed slab encased in a candy crust, but for now she’s too worked up about the economics of being a Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota in 2006.

Rowley, 51, is slender and muscular, animated and direct. She has clear blue eyes, shoulder-length hair, and favors multicolored sweaters, plaid skirts, and cloth hair bands. What she lacks in polish she makes up for in guilelessness. She has rejected suggestions from the political establishment that she snazz herself up or exploit previous fame. In her view, voters in Minnesota’s 2nd District will either elect her to the House for who she is or else she’ll find something different to do.

SNIP...

“The Democrats were desperate to get someone to go against Kline, and they went with her for the obvious reason that she had a big name,” says David Schultz, a professor at Hamline University in St. Paul whose research specialty is media and politics. “But what they didn’t expect is that, as a whistleblower, she’s someone who’s pretty unconventional. They’re getting what they want, but they’re not liking what they’re getting.”

Pundits have also opined that Rowley should stop talking about Iraq, especially in a district Bush won in 2004 with 54 percent of the vote. But she says her campaign’s canvasses suggest the opposite: The war, along with concerns that it has made the country less secure, was by far the topic most often raised. And who better to press that issue than a career FBI agent who voted Republican until she saw bad intelligence being used to justify war?

“She may pull it off,” says Schultz. “If she can run against Bush, against the Washington establishment, and link Kline to Bush, which is easy to do, she may capture the swing vote.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2006/03/colleen_rowley.html

Now THAT's doing something about it.

[lonestarnot]

62. A DUer!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. Does Dave Frasca still have a job?

:kick:

[Octafish]

51. George Bush's FBI promoted Mr. Frasca and Mr. Michael Maltbie.

...both were in the Radical Fundamentalist Unit.

Courtesy of Randi Rhodes, the Congressional testimony of Laurie Van Auken, who lost her husband Sept. 11, 2001:

Unofficial transcript of Laurie Van Auken’s statement at the July 22nd Congressional Briefing: The 9/11 Commission Report One Year Later: A Citizens’ Response – Did They Get It Right? Transcribed from audio capture.

EXCERPT...

3. Dots Not Connected – The Story of David Frasca.

It would seem that the Radical Fundamentalist Unit, the RFU, at FBI headquarters was in receipt of various pieces of information that if put together, should have allowed them to see that a threatening pattern involving persons of interest was emerging during the summer of 2001.

For example, the RFU was in receipt of the Phoenix Memo, the FBI memo that suggested there was a pattern of suspicious activity involving large numbers of Arab men taking flying lessons in American flight schools, and the FBI’s file on Zacarias Moussaoui, an Arab man who was enrolled in an American flight school, and fit the profile of a terrorist.

While the 9/11 Commission goes into much detail about the facts surrounding the Phoenix Memo, and the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, they do not mention perhaps the most damning of all facts involving both issues, namely, that it was only two individuals at the RFU who received the Phoenix Memo and the Moussaoui information within weeks of each other. They subsequently and detrimentally blocked not only the dissemination of this information within the community, but also stymied further requested avenues of investigation within the community, of such vital pieces of information.

The 9/11 Commission summarily blames the failure to connect the two dots of the Phoenix Memo and Zacarias Moussaoui’s file on the FBI’s institutional misunderstanding of the Reno wall, and the agency’s inherent inability to share information across and throughout its ranks.

What is missing from this analysis and rather facile conclusion was that it was two individuals, who worked together, and not a ‘misunderstanding of the Reno wall’, that is to blame for the failure of the FBI to receive a FISA warrant in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui. It is likewise those same individuals who are responsible for the Phoenix Memo being downplayed and all but ignored.

FBI supervisor David Frasca and his underling, Michael Maltbie failed to permit FBI agents to request a FISA warrant for Moussaoui but also altered the agent’s initial request for it. Specifically, on August 28th, 2001, Maltbie edited the Minnesota FBI’s request for a FISA warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui’s possessions. The Minnesota FBI’s field office wanted to prove that Moussaoui was connected to Al Qaeda through a rebel group in Chechnya. But the RFU agent Maltbie removed the information connecting the Chechen rebels to Al Qaeda.

Subsequently, the FBI General Counsel who received the edited request, scrubbed clean of any international terrorist ties, decided that there wasn’t enough of a connection between Moussaoui and Al Qaeda to allow for an application for a search warrant through FISA.

Thus, a FISA warrant was never even applied for.

Later in a report released June 9th, 2005, the FBI’s Inspector General’s office, far from downplaying this exchange cited a top FBI lawyer’s statement that, “He had never seen a supervisory Special Agent in headquarters so adamant that a FISA warrant could not be obtained, and at the same time a field office so adamant that it could.”

The report also noted that the Minneapolis field office sought an expedited FISA, which, it explained, normally involved reports of suspected imminent attack, or other imminent danger.

To reiterate, the first memo the supervisor of the Radical Fundamentalist Unit, David Frasco received, warned that Osama bin Laden was probably coordinating efforts to send men for flight training, (the Phoenix Memo), and only a few weeks later, Frasco received a file on a suspicious individual, Moussaoui, actually training at a flight school.

In essence, the Moussaoui case was actual confirmation of the Phoenix Memo’s prediction. And it was these same men, Frasca and Maltbie, who not only thrwarted the efforts of FBI agents to get a FISA warrant to search Moussaoui’s belongings, including his laptop, that had information leading to other 9/11 hijackers, but it was also Frasca and Maltbie who tampered with the papers requesting a FISA warrant.

Moussaoui’s laptop was finally searched after the 9/11 attacks. German telephone numbers were found, as was the name, Ahad Sabet. The numbers led the FBI to determine that the name Ahad Sabet was an alias for Ramzi bin Al-Shibh, former room-mate of Mohammed Atta, pilot of AmericanAirlines Flight 11, which crashed into Tower One, my husband’s building, on 9/11.

Agents also discovered that Ramzi bin Al-Shibh had wired money to Moussaoui in the summer of 2001. In addition they found a document connecting Moussaoui with the Malaysian Yazid Sufaat, a connection that could have led them to 9/11 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi.

Those were two of the hijackers said to have crashed Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Both Almihdhar and Alhazmi lived in San Diego, California, had their names blatantly published in the San Diego phone book, and, had contact with individuals under FBI investigation.

At the time of Moussauoui’s arrest, one FBI agent commented in his case notes quite prophetically, that Moussauoui seemed like a man who is capable of flying airplanes into the World Trade Center. Sadly, the FBI agents were trying their best to follow these leads but for some unknown reason, FBI headquarters thwarted their own agents instead of thwarting the terrorists.

While several entries refer to Moussauoui in the Commission’s Final Report, the Commission fails to discuss the Moussauoui case in a comprehensive manner.

For example, how could the Commission fail to mention that is was these two men, David Frasca and Michael Maltbie, at the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit, who received the Phoenix Memo and then thwarted attempts to acquire a FISA warrant for Moussauoui’s computer?

How could the Commission remain silent on this matter when these men, Frasca and Maltbie, have since been promoted within the FBI?

Why didn’t the Commission apply the axiom that, ‘an agency is only as good as the people who work for it’?

To quote Senator Shelby, they continue to reward bad behavior, and the results speak for themselves.

By leaving this highly relevant fact unaddressed, the Commission lays bare that it’s conclusion about the need for intelligence community reforms is half-baked at best, and hollow at worst.

CONTINUED...

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=60907&st=20

Why doesn't Corporate McPravda look into this apparent conflict?

Why do we have to do all the work, RUMMYisFROSTED?

Thanks for giving a damn.

[Swamp Rat]

52. kick... for giving a damn!

:hi:

[Octafish]

57. Isn't it nice to see deserving people get a head?

Geez, Swampissimo. I almost woke up the casa falling out of my chair.

That shot must've been a real blow. Against the empire.

Will David Frasca be the FBI fall guy for 9/11?

Director Mueller mostly won over Congress this week. But in mapping the missed signals before the terror attacks, most roads lead to counterterror chief Frasca -- and at least one senator is miffed.

by Anthony York
Salon.com
June 8, 2002 | WASHINGTON --

FBI director Robert Mueller's appearance before a Senate committee Thursday helped solidify his support among Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill, despite calls from the Wall Street Journal and a slew of conservative talk show hosts for his resignation. But the search for a fall guy at the FBI continues, and FBI counterterrorism chief David Frasca has come under increased congressional and media scrutiny as probes into the Sept. 11 attacks get underway.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday, Sen. John Edwards raised concerns that Frasca, head of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit, intentionally misled Senate Judiciary Committee staff in a January briefing about the case of Zacharias Moussaoui.

Frasca and Spike Bowman, the bureau's associate general counsel for national security affairs, met with Judiciary Committee staff in January to brief the staff about the Moussaoui case. "Based upon that briefing, I actually felt reassured about the vigor with which the Moussaoui investigation had been conducted," Edwards said. But he added, "There are some things that have come to light since that time that I was not told about."

SNIP...

Edwards told FBI director Mueller Thursday, during Mueller's appearance before the Judiciary Committee, that Frasca and Bowman failed to mention the existence of the Phoenix memo -- in which Phoenix agent Kenneth Williams urged headquarters to search the nation's flight schools for possible terrorists -- and "did not mention that the Minneapolis office had some serious concerns about the handling of the Moussaoui matter by FBI headquarters," during that January briefing.

Those "serious concerns" came to the forefront last month when FBI whistleblower Coleen Rowley penned an angry letter to Mueller that has since sent shockwaves through Congress' investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks. Though Rowley's memo was not written until May, Minneapolis agents had expressed their dissatisfaction with headquarters before the Sept. 11 attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/06/08/frasca/print.html

A real blast from the past.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

54. Thanks for the scooby snack!

[Octafish]

75. Here's some real food for thought...

Work by Polish artist Zbigniew Libera:



The guy got imprisoned by the commies for drawing cartoons about them.



That was in the late 1980s.



Appears to me that the same mindset is coming to America today.



That is, unless more people wake the heck up.



Maybe someone should ask Halliburton to explain why the Bushiz gave them contracts to build all those camps in the USA.



EDIT: Messed up an image. Sorree.

[yurbud]

53. kick

[Octafish]

59. U.S. was warned that Moussaoui had close ties to al-Qaida

Thanks for the kick, yurbud!

Our FBI certainly appreciates it.

U.S. was warned that Moussaoui had close ties to al-Qaida, analyst says

French authorities alerted the FBI in August that the "20th hijacker" had trained in al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan, according to an intelligence expert -- but the U.S. did nothing.

By Damien Cave
Salon.com
May 23, 2002

EXCERPT...

But a pair of French authors says that the FBI bungled more than the Phoenix memo. In "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth," Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie alleged that the Clinton and Bush administrations went easy on al-Qaida before Sept. 11 to maintain good relations with Saudi Arabia and to continue to bargain with the Taliban over a Central Asian oil pipeline. They also assert that the negotiations broke off after the U.S. threatened to attack the Taliban unless it agreed to U.S. demands, perhaps precipitating the 9/11 attacks.

SNIP...

You argue in your book that it was U.S. ties to the Saudis, plus its efforts to maintain links with the Taliban, that prevented the U.S. from getting tougher on al-Qaida before Sept. 11.

The Bush administration decided to engage in commercial negotiations with the Taliban regime as soon as it took office, to ensure a stable political environment in Afghanistan that would fit the oil industry projects. The negotiations, as we reveal in our book, broke off in early August 2001, five weeks before Sept. 11 and about the time of the warning memo received by the White House. And the reason was the U.S. representative to those negotiations, Tom Simmons, threatened the Taliban regime with a military operation if it refused to make concessions to the U.S. The message was, either you accept the carpet of gold, or you'll have a carpet of bombs.

We know now the Taliban regime was under the influence or the control of Osama bin Laden. It means at the beginning of August the Taliban regime and its terrorist sponsors knew their days were numbered. Was that statement understood as a real signal by them, and did they decide to launch a preemptive strike? We have no clear answer to that, but at least it must be independently investigated, the same way that the investigation needs to focus on to what extent the Bush administration knew and to determine if the Bush administration took the right steps to avoid this tragedy.

But in my opinion, the Bush administration bears major responsibility for making its military threat. History tells us that negotiating with terrorists or their sponsors always fail. As we mention in our book, a pipeline project was underway in Afghanistan years before, and it was one of the main reasons why the Bush administration decided to accelerate negotiations with the Taliban regime. The negotiations failed, but the project just revived some days ago when an Afghan minister stated that the pipeline negotiations would start as soon as possible with several U.S. companies, among them Unocal, which initiated the project in the mid '90s. The project was also backed at the time by Enron, which was developing gas reserves in the Caspian Sea region, and eyed the Afghan pipeline as a way to reach Pakistan and the Persian Gulf. Both companies viewed the fall of the Afghan capital, Kabul, to the Taliban movement in 1996 as a "positive step."


CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/23/warning/index.html?x

So whatever happened to that pipeline?

Oh yeah, our newly installed puppet in Kabul saw it installed, personally.

Afghanistan, the Taliban and the Bush Oil Team

by Wayne Madsen
democrats.com, January 2002
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), globalresearch.ca, 23 January 2002

According to Afghan, Iranian, and Turkish government sources, Hamid Karzai, the interim Prime Minister of Afghanistan, was a top adviser to the El Segundo, California-based UNOCAL Corporation which was negotiating with the Taliban to construct a Central Asia Gas (CentGas) pipeline from Turkmenistan through western Afghanistan to Pakistan.

Karzai, the leader of the southern Afghan Pashtun Durrani tribe, was a member of the mujaheddin that fought the Soviets during the 1980s. He was a top contact for the CIA and maintained close relations with CIA Director William Casey, Vice President George Bush, and their Pakistani Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) Service interlocutors. Later, Karzai and a number of his brothers moved to the United States under the auspices of the CIA. Karzai continued to serve the agency's interests, as well as those of the Bush Family and their oil friends in negotiating the CentGas deal, according to Middle East and South Asian sources.

When one peers beyond all of the rhetoric of the White House and Pentagon concerning the Taliban, a clear pattern emerges showing that construction of the trans-Afghan pipeline was a top priority of the Bush administration from the outset. Although UNOCAL claims it abandoned the pipeline project in December 1998, the series of meetings held between U.S., Pakistani, and Taliban officials after 1998, indicates the project was never off the table.

Quite to the contrary, recent meetings between U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Wendy Chamberlain and that country's oil minister Usman Aminuddin indicate the pipeline project is international Project Number One for the Bush administration. Chamberlain, who maintains close ties to the Saudi ambassador to Pakistan (a one-time chief money conduit for the Taliban), has been pushing Pakistan to begin work on its Arabian Sea oil terminus for the pipeline.

SNIP...

Karzai's ties with UNOCAL and the Bush administration are the main reason why the CIA pushed him for Afghan leader over rival Abdul Haq, the assassinated former mujaheddin leader from Jalalabad, and the leadership of the Northern Alliance, seen by Langley as being too close to the Russians and Iranians. Haq had no apparent close ties to the U.S. oil industry and, as both a Pushtun and a northern Afghani, was popular with a wide cross-section of the Afghan people, including the Northern Alliance. Those credentials likely sealed his fate.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html

More:

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q7.html

[Horseradish]

58. Roundhouse Kick ... and Flabbergasted Power-Shake of the Head

....to Mr. Octafish. As always ... amazing, concise, and grounding. Been reading DU daily now for about 3 years (don't make many posts, obviously) and boy does this guy (me) get down to business for some truth when he (me) sees an Octafish thread appear. I live in Colleen Rowley's district. My wife and I have contributed a bit to her campaign. She needs to represent us, and this thread just strengthens my will to work for her election.

Thankyou, Octafish and everyone else who knows, as Mark Twain said, "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything". Cheers!

[Octafish]

60. Hi, Horseradish! Thanks for the kind words.

If I'd known you were here, I'd of said this sooner: A most hearty welcome to DU!

Thanks for letting us know about Ms. Rowley. I wish our Congress had 400 more like her.

Did you see the Mother Jones profile?

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2006/03/colleen_rowley.html

Here's a nice archive of things certain cockroaches would prefer stayed in the dark:

Know your BFEE Log



Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=133897


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455



JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149


And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach areas:

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438


Seemslikeadream commissioned this portrait of someone at work on the BFEE:



Seemslikeadream says this is my favorite likeness.

I've gotten a bit thicker in the gut.

Darn Detroit winters. All cold. No snow.

Please don't make yourself a stranger, Horseradish. Your country, friends and planet need you.

Thanks for giving a damn.

[Horseradish]

61. On a Cold and Icy Planet ...

Well, you know the story of the Empire Strikes Back, so I need go no further.

Thanks for the kindly welcome. I'm on a certain mission (in a fittingly snowy climate) here on a local level in small town Minnesota. Letters to the editor of the local paper (population 3,700) have created an uproar of democratic and also uber-fascist-theocratic responses -- basically delivering world-politics to the local mainstream. It has never happened before in this community (world consciousness portrayed through LTTEs). Simply said, folks want to know. I don't contribute much of anything to DU, but I keep track, and it's a great resource for logically balanced LTTEs, and when I am at my most wary of whether-or-not anything will make a difference --- I can trustfully turn to an Octafish thread for proof of what's happening in the real world. (That sorta made sense -- it's late here in MN and I'm ready for cozy bed-times).

But, back to Collen Rowley. She's actually making a go of honest political action in the face of a completely bought-out political environment. If she gains a seat in the House, I will continue to be active and push back the tendency to just say, "Who gives a fuck -- it's all beyond our control anyway".

It's late. I'm rambling. But, thanks for the thread, Octafish .... keep 'em coming!! (It helps .... way helps!) And thanks for the welcome.

[Octafish]

72. Pardon my piling it on...

D'oh! Forgot one:

Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=266685


What the heck, this belongs there, too:

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=417774

As you know, the newspaper and its readers are one of the cornerstones of our democracy. That's why the Founders wrote the First Amendment, naming the Free Press (along with freedom of speech, assembly, religion and recourse for redress of grievances). The Press is the only business mentioned by name in the Constitution. Their reason is that only an informed citizenry is capable of electing worthy representatives.

I wonder what the Founders would've thought about Henry Kissinger's ideas about democracy and how some people aren't capable of making up their own minds as to who they'd like to see govern:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

Well. That certainly goes a long way toward explaining SCOTUS-V and Florida Selection 2000.

The Founders had no idea about communists. (They certainly wouldn't have like seeing Corporations recognized as legal entities, either.) They certainly would've recognized a traitor's thinking, however.

PS: Thanks for the kinds words, Horseradish.

[DemonFighterLives]

65. Hi Horseradish

Welcome to DU!
I will be sending Rowley a donation as well!
:hi:

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64. Mad Cow had quite a bit on the Magic Dutch Boys

Dekkers and their flight school in Venice, FL. I am having trouble locating the original story, but it is probably buried in here somewhere.
http://www.madcowprod.com/

http://www.madcowprod.com/issue24.html


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HOP403A.html

http://www.madcowprod.com/appendix/appendix2.htm



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70. HOPSICKER asks: ''Did FBI operate a terrorist flight school?''

Hopsicker's site is a difficult place to navigate, but still we should be able to find what we're looking for via Metacrawler or whatever.

Until then, here's a decent overview from which I wish I didn't have to snip:

9/11 Flight School Cover-Up

A Review Of Daniel Hopsicker's "Welcome To Terrorland"

By Len Bracken

IMAGE: Welcome To Terrorland - A NEW BOOK BY DANIEL HOPSICKER
http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html

As the result of a two-year investigation, an intrepid journalist has disclosed evidence of a cover-up concerning the flight schools in Florida that trained three of the four terrorists who piloted the hijacked planes. Daniel Hopsicker saw Venice, Fla., as the biggest unexploded crime scene in the September 11, 2001 attacks and arrived there two months later. He fearlessly pursued leads down dark alleys peopled with intelligence types and drug-running gangsters and tenaciously tracked down highly revealing witnesses, such as Mohamed Atta’s girlfriend.

The case that emerges from his multitude of facts is alarming, although not airtight. First, Hopsicker discloses evidence that shatters the FBI’s timeline of Mohamed Atta’s movements. Second, Hopsicker demonstrates that Atta’s relationship with flight school executive Rudi Dekkers was not what he testified it was under oath. Third, Hopsicker provides testimony of FBI witness intimidation. Furthermore, by personally going the extra mile with bold interviews, aviation industry research, and following up on local reporting, Hopsicker simultaneously shows, in a fairly convincing way, that the CIA “was actually running the operation” that brought Arab pilot trainees into Florida and that the national media, he notes with sarcasm, have been willfully ignorant of these scandalous facts. Hopsicker surely needed his sense of humor to sustain his quest as he wandered through this dark maze of Florida flight schools and aviation companies.

While Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi trained at Huffman Aviation, which was owned by the notorious Rudi Dekkers, terrorist pilot Said Al-Jarrah was at Venice’s other flight school, Florida Flight Training Center, which was owned by Arne Kruithof. Eight members of the 9/11 terrorist cadre trained at these two flight schools, as did Zacharias Moussaoui. In what Hopsicker facetiously calls the Magic Dutch Boy Theory, two Netherlands citizens, months apart, purchased flight schools at the same airport and then Arab pilots began to arrive in Venice in unprecedented numbers. An eyewitness said both flight school owners knew one another prior to Venice, although Dekkers denied this, and both worked with a German named Pascal Schreier who recruited trainees for the flight school.

“Rudi Dekkers said Atta and his sidekick just showed up at his facility one day,” Hopsicker writes. “He had, instead, been actively marketing his flight school,” according to reports in local papers, “in Germany at the exact time Mohamed Atta and his terrorist cell left Hamburg and moved to Florida.”

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The facts Hopsicker compiles against the shady flight school owner stagger the imagination. While running another flight school in nearby Naples, Fla., Dekkers crashed airplanes, violated air space, chartered airplanes without a license, and was reported to the FAA for several other violations. He reportedly had tax problems and was the subject of an arrest warrant for smuggling computer chips. Naples aviation executive John Vellada said that DEA and U.S. Customs had investigated him, adding, “Everything he ever did, from A to Z, was illegal.” Although he was “thrown out of Naples as a con artist,” according to a local aviation observer Rob Tillman, Dekkers was able to buy Huffman Aviation, which was Venice Airport’s fixed base operator or FBO, a position which carries with it civic responsibilities.

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0405/S00110.htm

Great info, yours, lonestarnot! Thanks. And it IS getting harder to find some of the original articles. Hence, the importance of cut-and-paste and spreading the results.

Who knows? Perhaps the day will come when these treasonous cock-a-roaches end up with no place to hide.

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76. kick

[Octafish]

77. Minnesota Congressmen Oberstar and Sabo Signed Impeachment Resolution

The two Congressmen who actually got the Washington FBI to get off their collective asses and do something about Moussaoui favor impeaching the incompetent -- at best -- or treasonous -- most likely -- George W Bush.

Members of US Congress demand Impeachment Inquiry

March 11, 2006
Atlanta Progressive News

30 US Reps for Bush Impeachment Inquiry

1. APN Interviews Conyers, Swanson, and Goodman
By Matthew Cardinale, Editor, Atlanta Progressive News (March 10, 2006)

(APN) ATLANTA – 30 US House Representatives have signed on as sponsors or co-sponsors of H. Res 635, which would create a Select Committee to look into the grounds for recommending President Bush’s impeachment, Atlanta Progressive News has learned.

“There has been massive support for House Resolution 635 from a very vigorous network of grassroots activists and people committed to holding the Bush Administration accountable for its widespread abuses of power,” US Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) said in a statement prepared for Atlanta Progressive News.

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) also released a book, Articles of Impeachment Against President Bush. The Center is extremely influential in high-profile court fights over issues such as wiretapping, the treatment of detainees by the US, and felon voting rights.

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“The fraudulent basis on which the President got us into the war in Iraq; the obvious criminality of the warrantless wiretapping; indefinite detention in violation of the Constitution; torture as a part of indefinite detention and other ways; special rendition and torture, which is the outsourcing of torture... All of these violate various laws of the US, and they also violate his oath office which he swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and he’s doing just the opposite, he’s undermining the Constitution and attempting to destroy certain parts of it,” Goodman said.

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The best represented states on H. Res 635 are California (7), New York (6), Massachusetts (3), Georgia (2), Minnesota (2), and Wisconsin (2).

The current 30 total co-sponsors are Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI), Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA), Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA), Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO), Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Sam Farr (D-CA), Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA), Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI), Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN), Rep. John Olver (D-MA), Rep. Major Owens (D-NY), Rep. Donald Payne (D-NJ), Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), Rep. Martin Sabo (D-MN), Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Rep. Fortney Pete Stark (D-CA), Rep. John Tierney (D-MA), Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-NY), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA).

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060311&articleId=2085

Every day, we move closer to the goal of bringing these traitors to justice.