Conyers and Barney Franks against the House bill as written cspan 1

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1. saying House rules do not allow amendments.

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2. nadler against and Stensenbranner For this bill

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5. it is suspose to be a hate crimes bill but lots got tossed in by Repugs

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9. here is something on that.

here is a post on that:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=604300&mesg_id=604737

Bobby Scott (D)
Just said this new school safety and security bill they're discussing would create a 10 year mandatory sentence for children who get in a schoolyard fistfight

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12. yes, the schoolyard fights and kids get jail time was brought up.

Bobby Scott (D)
Just said this new school safety and security bill they're discussing would create a 10 year mandatory sentence for children who get in a schoolyard fistfight

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3. good discussion. The won't allow amendments

Frank said, "the new Iraqi government is watching"!

"you are limiting debate to 40 minutes on a controversial bill"

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11. yes, Barny was telling the Iragi this is NOT the democratic process.

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4. I hear Barney in the other room

LOL! Actually, I have CSPAN on in the kitchen and CSPAN2 on here in the living room. I try to mute accordingly.

What is the bill?

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6. it is a child safty bill.

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8. there are some crazy-sounding minimum sentences though

I have not read the text of it - just heard the speakers.

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7. "what are we here for, to let the other side off the hook"

Conyers.

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14. well, Senate gang just let bush off hook with their 'accord"--NSA

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10. the very fact that Stensenbrenner is pushing it tells me something is wron

g with it.

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13. Sheila Jackson Lee-"kitchen sink elements" included. (judge protection

, etc)

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15. Tammy Balwin says the hate crime provision has been stripped out of the

current bill. It was in previous bill which was passed.

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16. She is also irrate about how no amendments can be added.

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17. good for tammy--- but now Sensenbrenner is hooting away

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18. the Repug talking point is 'common sense' bill

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19. Repugs are NOT saying that there are not some very good things in

this bill--just that judge protection has been tossed in and hate crimes provisions are OUT (when previously in the bill-now taken out by Chair).

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20. 'in the name of the children"--now voting to suspend the rules -

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21. so, Repugs won again--it is, as Hil. said--a plantation mentality!

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23. Unfrinkinbelievable

The enslavement continues

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22. Poison pill...

No hate crime legislation, convicted sex offenders can carry guns, judges can bear arms on the bench... What the hell? And, WHY? What was the point regarding this bill - what part did they hate so much about the bipartisan bill that it had to be slid in like this? Hurting the gun lobby...? Acknowledging hate crime...? They've gone mad.