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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:10 PM
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They can't have a war with Iran without a draft
The troops aren't coming home from Iraq anytime soon, and a sustained campaign in Iran will require more warm bodies, and that will take a draft.

This notion that Iran can just be bombed at a few strategic sites and then it's all over is a fantasy. Iran has a real military and they will fight back if attacked.

If there is no war with Iran, then I don't see a draft as likely, and I will freely admit that my prediction of a draft two years ago was wrong.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:11 PM
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1. Nah! We'll just go deeper in debt paying for contract soldiers.
These guys don't mind torturing!
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:13 PM
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3. I think this is right
This is a private war anyway. It has nothing to do with national security
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:35 PM
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6. A mercenary army. Yup, that's my guess too.
Since they're "paying" for everything by just running up the debt, I'm sure they'll find lots of KBR types from around the world for, say, $100k for an infantryman, $130k for an NCO, maybe 160k for a captain.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:12 PM
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2. If so,
then draft Republicans. They love war so much, let 'em fight it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:26 PM
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4. I wonder if anyone has an estimate...
of the amount of PMC's, School of the America's Grads, etc., floating around...as well as bonafide military personnel??
http://www.basicint.org/pubs/Research/2004PMC.htm
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:33 PM
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5. I kind of agree with you on this.
I am also wondering wether or not that the US can handle another war based on our current economic situation.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:49 PM
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7. Gettin' mighty breezy around here..... yup, I feel a draft, an ill wind,
an imperfect gale bearing down on the unsuspecting for the causes of the unbelievable and unforgivable.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:57 PM
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8. I'm gonna throw up
Because of course they need a draft. The hundred years war-at least it won't be over in our lifetime if they mess with Iran. Fucking nutters.

But I'm choking back the bile because it won't be a DRAFT, silly, it will be some Orwellian word they choose. It won't be a draft, but the Patriotic process of patriots against terrorism. (PPOPAT) And they can slip it in with a bill to save the waterways in Minnestoa or something. We won't even know it's a DRAFT until it's too late.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:25 PM
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9. Agree. Without A 1 Million Man Expansion Of US Ground Forces (Draft)
ANY attack on Iran, including 'limited' air strikes, would be incompetence rising to the level of treason.

Why? Well, look what is going on now. Almost all of our ground forces are tied down policing 7 M +/- Sunnis in Iraq. What happens if, following 'limited' air strikes, we now find ourselves policing the 15 M Shia in Iraq concurrent with a general uprising in the gulf region?

How much sense does it make to gamble with 25%+ of the worlds current oil production, and 70% of it's reserves, not to mention a nearly equal proportion of natural gas? Without deployment of an adequate (500k +) force, economic collapse of the western economies will be a real possibility within six months of the first bomb falling.

"Never, Never, Never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I keep repeating the above quote because it describes the unpredictable nature, as history has bore out, so well. Sane leaders do not embank on wars of choice unless measures have been taken to mitigate all reasonable probabilities.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:31 PM
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10. Article By Some Hawky Types That Basically Agrees With You
Contemplating The Ifs
W. Patrick Lang & Larry C. Johnson

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/files/lang_johnson_tni_83.pdf (.pdf warning)

. . .

In this atmosphere of building tension, Iran is not going to sit idly by and wait for America to crush it. Tehran has nearly achieved the installation of a friendly government on its western border. While U.S. bases in Iraq could potentially be used to infiltrate Iran with spies and commandos and, more importantly, to support and launch air strikes, those bases are vulnerable politically, not to mention logistically. The supply lines of food, water, fuel and bullets to U.S. bases run from Kuwait to the north and through the Iraqi Shi‘a heartland. Iranian intelligence agencies have given Iraqi Shi‘a massive support since the U.S. invasion. The Shi‘a are well organized and control the country through which U.S. supplies are moved. Islamic militants loyal to the likes of Ali al-Sistani and Moqtada al-Sadr could easily cut vital supply lines.

Iran can also play the oil card. If Iran were attacked, Iran could halt its oil exports and thereby immediately impact the global price. It would be unwise to hope that Iran, as part of its national security plan, is not willing to shut down Persian Gulf oil exports. Iran is well equipped to shower Persian Gulf states and oil fields with missiles, or to shut down exports with a variety of other military, terrorist or political methods. At a minimum, a U.S. military air campaign, even if successful in wrecking the Iranian nuclear program, would severely disrupt oil markets for at least six months. Such a disruption would hurt the world economy, not just that of the United States. In addition, there are countries sympatheticto Iran, such as Venezuela, that have indicated they are more than willing to cut off their oil supply to the United States. The United States could find itself facing a 20–30 percent shortfall in oil imports (and that estimate assumes that the Saudi fields are untouched and that oil imports continue to flow unimpeded).

. . .

With nuclear weapons in hand, Iran will become the dominant local power in the Persian Gulf. They will have no pressing need to use these weapons, because their mere possession will ensure that everyone in the region, including Israel, will have to deal with them as a major power. we, too, would probably have to learn to deal with them on this basis.

. . .

What would be the posture of the United States if the Iranians gain nuclear weapons? Would we maintain forces in the Persian Gulf and in Iraq? How safe would Europe feel, given the ranges of ballistic missiles Iran is developing, plus those that the Chinese have previously sold to Middle Eastern countries (Saudi Arabia for example)? In the end, it may become necessary to confront Iran militarily over its emergent nuclear power status, but the costs would be so high that all diplomatic resources should be exhausted before such measures are adopted.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:37 PM
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11. But they are just dumb/insane enough to try it.
Remember how Rummy did the pre-planning for Iraq, cutting the troop numbers dangerously down on paper and to hell with the boots on the ground reality?

I think they are counting on a continued economic enlistment.
Heck, I wouldn't put impressment past them at this point.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:10 PM
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12. Where are they going to get another trillion dollars to carry out
the war on Iran?
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