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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:16 PM
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The Media, Journalists, and the Plame Scandal
The Media, Journalists, and the Plame Scandal

{1} "I think this White House made a tactical error. ...I think politically they did the wrong thing by saying nice things about Patrick Fitzgerald some months ago -- 'he's a man of integrity,' 'he's a good guy,' 'we have complete confidence he's doing the right thing,' etc -- making it now almost impossible for the White House, even on background, to attack the guy .... I think they should have at least kept the option open to attack him, and I just don't see they have that."
-- Tucker Carlson; MSNBC; Oct. 24, 2005

Tucker Carlson's response to Chris Matthews' question, about if President Bush should have attempted to minimize the significance of the Plame scandal by calling it a mid-level leak, is interesting. It has recently been reported that Carlson's father is one of the contributors to the Libby defense fund. Likewise, Fox News' Brit Hume is reportedly one of the "big name" Libby supporters. Surely no Washington scandal has involved members of the corporate news media to the extent that the plot to expose CIA covert agent Valerie Plame Wilson's identity has.

The two administration officials who have been identified as being among those who leaked Plame's identity to journalists in 2003 are Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Both were part of what was known as the White House Iraq Group (WHIG). This group met weekly to conduct the media campaign necessary to sell the Iraq war to the American public. They came up with the infamous "we can't wait until the 'smoking gun' turns out to be a mushroom cloud," which borrowed the emotional punch of the infamous "daisy chain" commercial from the 1964 presidential campaign.

When in March of 2003, when Ambassador Joseph Wilson began to be viewed as a threat with the potential to expose the "16 words" from the president's state of the union address, the WHIG began to consider options to discredit Wilson. This included conducting a "work-up" on Wilson, which involved using intelligence resources that resulted in VP Cheney finding out that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.

In Jason Leopold's 3-6-06 article, "CIA Leak Path: Cheney, Libby, Woodward," (part of his excellent series found on "TruthOut"), we find that in response to Wilson's information exposing the Niger yellow cake report as fiction, the vice president authorized Scooter Libby to share highly classified National Intelligence Estimate information with journalists including Bob Woodward and Judith Miller.

Shortly after this, Robert Novak authored the article which revealed that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent involved in investigating weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). The roles played by a number of reporters is now going to become part of Mr. Libby's defense against the charges that Mr. Fitzgerald filed against him last fall.

{2} "In his signature staccato, Matthews was blunt: 'I just got off the phone with Karl Rove. He says, and I quote, "Wilson's wife is fair game".' Before abruptly hanging up, Matthews added: 'I will confirm that if asked'."
-- Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; Avalon; 2004; page 1.

Ambassador Wilson likely expected administration officials would be angry when he exposed the "16 words" as untrue. But, on July 8, 2003, when Robert Novak told a stranger on a Washington, DC street that, "Wilson's an asshole. The CIA sent him. His wife, Valerie, works for the CIA. She's a weapons of mass destruction specialist. She sent him," the former ambassador found it unsettling. (ibid; page 343) Likewise, he must have been concerned when he found out that Scooter Libby "seized opportunities to rail openly against me as an 'asshole playboy' who went on a boondoggle 'arranged by his CIA wife'." (ibid; page 442) Wilson had good reason to be concerned: his wife was a covert agent, and revealing her identity put her and many other people's safety at risk.

From the October 28, 2005 indictment filed against Scooter Libby, we find that he had been sharing information from the NIE and about Valerie Plame with Judith Miller, of the New York Times. Further, we know that Karl Rove was one of the two senior administration officials who told Novak about Plame, and that Rove also discussed Plame with Time's Matthew Cooper. These three and at least four other journalists from the coporate media were given information about Plame in order to try to discredit Wilson's trip to Niger.

The CIA contacted the Counterespionage Section of the Department of Justice in July, August, and September of 2003, requesting that they investigate the possibility that a crime was committed when Plame's identity was revealed. As late as December of 2003, the media was reporting that White House officials were confident that nothing would come of the investigation; "we have rolled earthmovers in over this one," an unidentified "senior White House official" told a Financial Times reporter. (Wilson; page 360) Things changed on December 30, 2003.

{3} "By the authority vested in the Attorney General by law, .... and in my capacity as Acting Attorney General .... , I hereby delegate to you all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department's investigation into the alleged unathorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity, and I direct you to exercise that authority as Special Counsel independent of the supervision of any officer of the Department."
-- James B. Comey; letter to Patrick Fitzgerald; December 30, 2003

The grand jury investigation into the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity included Patrick Fitzgerald's calling upon several journalists to testify about their sources. This was, of course, an action that created some degree of tension. In theory, journalism is a noble profession, which relies upon unidentified sources known as "whistle-blowers," to expose government corruption. Many sincere people, including some journalists on the left, were concerned that Fitzgerald was attempting to violate rights they felt were outlined in the Constitution.

Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court, in an attempt to avoid testifying. They lost. Cooper obeyed the law, and reported in the 7-25-05 edition of Time about his testimony to the grand jury. Miller opted to go to jail. Her case, which appeared on the surface to be based on her journalistic ethics, soon was exposed as something entirely different.

In his memorandum in opposition to Miller's motion for reconsideration on the issue of incarceration, Patrick Fitzgerald informed Judge Thomas Hagan that dispite Miller's claim that she enjoyed the "strong and public support of her employer, colleagues, political and opinion leaders" in her refusal to cooperate with the grand jury, there were many who did not share in her "principled motive."

Fitzgerald quoted Norman Pearlstine, the editor-in-chief of Time: "The same constitution that protects the freedom of the press requires obedience to final decisions of the courts and respect for their rulings and judgements ....The Supreme Court made its ruling ...Once it made its ruling there was no other choice but to comply. I feel we are not above the law." (AP; 6-30-05)

While those connected to the White House, including Bob Woodward, had compared this case to Watergate, and twisted Novak and Miller's roles into Woodward and Bernstein's, Pearlstine noted that it was quite the opposite. He considered the example of Nixon, and concluded, "But if Presidents are not above the law, how is it that journalists are? .... Thinking we're above the law rings wrong to me." (NYTimes; 7-1-05)

Fitzgerald also quotes from Steve Chapman, of the editorial board of the Chicago Times: "... Judith Miller, who claims the prerogative of deciding for herself what information the grand jury is entitled to hear .... Journalists like nothing better than exposing self-seeking behavior by special interests who care nothing for the public good. In this case, they can find it by looking in the mirror."(7-3-05)

Fitzgerald goes on to quote from numerous other journalists who rejected Miller's claims. Eventually, poor Judith tired of her incarceration, and agreed to testify to the grand jury. She would then write a "self-seeking" article for the New York Times, pointing to Mr. Libby as the source of her information on Plame and the NIE.

{4} "Lawyers for I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby said Friday that they soon planned to subpoena reporters and news organizations, and a federal judge set the stage for a showdown in late April on whether the media would have to comply with the subpoenas in order to afford the former White House aide a fair trial."
--Richard Schmitt; Libby's Team Plans to Subpoena Media; Los Angeles Times; 2-25-06.

Scooter Libby's defense team plans to attempt to distract attention from his lying to investigators and to the grand jury about his disclosing of Valerie Plame's identity, by focusing attention onto reporters that he in many cases had no contact with. In one case, however, Libby's legal team appears to be preparing to challenge NBC's Tim Russert. Libby claims that Russert revealed Plame's identity to him. Russert denies this. Fitzgerald has ample evidence that dcuments other administration sources, including VP Cheney, first told Libby about Plame's CIA employment.

As the grand jury investigation continues, the corporate media has not been reporting many of the things that the progressive media sources, such as TruthOut and RawStory, have revealed. Among the most interesting is that Fitzgerald noted in a February court hearing that the White House had turned over approximately 250 e-mails they previously had withheld from him. These are reportedly from VP Cheney's office and help detail how the WHIG planned to discredit Joseph Wilson.

In future essays, I will combine information from both the corporate and progressive media, to give readers a better picture of where the grand jury investigation into the Plame scandal now stands.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:20 PM
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1. Very valuable. Who said that for special ops reporters are cheaper than
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 09:21 PM by blm
whores? It had to be someone from the early machine of the BFEE.
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Eweedin Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:43 AM
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28. Come hear Joe Wilson
I'm working with the Larimer County Democrat Party in northern Colorado. We are sponsoring a dinner with Ambassador Joe Wilson 3/18/06. All are welcome to attend. Please check out www.larimerdems.org for registration information!!! Hurry, space is limited.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:49 AM
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29. welcome to DU Eweedin !!
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 11:06 AM by stop the bleeding
Do you mind if I post this, cause I don't think that you can start a thread yet.

This is big!!!

on edit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=614566&mesg_id=614566
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Eweedin Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:48 PM
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42. Go ahead!
Post away, We'd love to have as many people find out about this!

Thanks!

Eric
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:01 AM
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30. Hi Eweedin!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Eweedin Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:51 PM
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44. Thanks for the welcome!
Long time lurker, thought I'd ask for help getting guests at our dinner. We're spearheading the fight against Marilyn Musgrave in our district, our dinner will fund most of that effort!

If you want to sit ay my table, please indicate Eric Weedin as your table captain.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:46 PM
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2. What I Have Always Wanted To Know
is why Novak said those words to a "complete stranger"? Was he really a stranger, or did Novak somehow know he was connected to Wilson and was telling the man in a Novak way what he knew about Wilson? It just seems so weird that he'd be going around talking to strangers about a classified matter and that person should just happen to be a friend of Wilson's.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:49 PM
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3. Novak was not aware
that the person was Wilson's friend. Bob is a strange little man. He was ranting, because he felt he was on a mission to help his master. Bob is a reckless fellow.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:17 PM
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6. But The Co-incidence That It Would Be Wilson's Friend...
For someone who doesn't really believe in co-incidence, I can buy synchronicity, the universal woowoo playing a trick on the neo and earthmovers.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:24 PM
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7. There is no such thing
as coincidence. Of course, there is a greater chance of someone in Washington DC being friends with Wilson than someone in a rural town in the southwest. Add to that someone who sees Novak, asks if he can walk with him, and then brings up the subject of the uranium controversy. Besides being reckless with information about Plame, what stands out is old Bob's hostility, clearly aimed at Wilson. Bob felt that he had been singled out by his masters to attack someone who posed a threat to the master's household.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:03 AM
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18. Novak is probably half crooked most of the time
I gets harder and harder for the nippers to keep their act together has they get older.

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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:10 AM
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24. Yep - look at the meltdown on CNN I think it was
"Bob is a strange little man. He was ranting, because he felt he was on a mission to help his master. Bob is a reckless fellow."
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:59 PM
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4. It's amazing
The repukes that I talk to about this still defend by saying things like "there's nothing to this, she was not covert and everyone already knew she was CIA but not working covert. There will be nothing come of this, no damage has been done."

Give them any info and they think it's just some conspiracy theory site that you can't believe

As they go on their merry way, doesn't affect their daily lives or pocket book, so no big deal
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:14 PM
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5. The corporate media
often reports something in an isolated manner. For example, the February 13, 2006 edition of Newsweek carried a two-paragraph "article" by Michael Isikoff.It was titled: "The CIA Leak: Plame Was Still Covert." The article notes that "Newly released court papers could put holes in the defense of Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, in the Valerie Plame leak case. Lawyers for Libby, and White House allies, have repeatedly questioned whether Plame, the wife of White House critic Joe Wilson, really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July 2003. But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done 'covert work overseas' on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA 'was making specific efforts to conceal' her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion."

Several agents of the WHIG agenda attempted to bait Wilson and others on this issue. Of course, neither he nor others with connections to this case could publicly document what her status was. The fact that Agency attorneys contacted the Department of Justice several times in the summer of 2003, requesting an investigation, should have been a clue. But, sadly, a significant portion of the American population believes the out-and-out lies told by snakes like Sean Hannity, Bob Woodward, and Newt Gingrich, because in the environment of ignorance being created and nurtured by Fox News (and many other parts of the corporate media), a lie twice repeated on the cable news is accepted as fact.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:32 PM
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8. Your essays are always invaluable and informative.
You have a unique way of writing that is easy to comprehend.

It would be very interesting to find out what was in those 250 e-mails. Will we ever know?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:45 PM
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9. Raw Story is predicting a big story on Matthews tomorrow. Will it be on
Abramoff connections, or possibly something tied with Scooter? So much for the reporter staying out of the story-whatever it is.

Thanks H2Oman!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:48 PM
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10. K&R
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:08 PM
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11. In my view it is even a bigger crime that...
the covert op. Brewster Jennings was exposed.
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:01 AM
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12. You got it. Brewster-Jennings is the key
They were tracking loose nukes and working on the prevention of nuclear proliferation. In places like, oh, say, for example.... Iran!

Was Brewster-Jennings' work getting 'inconvenient' for someone?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:29 AM
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14. It takes a BJ to impeach. Well Brewster Jennings is it!
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:11 AM
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21. Yes!
If it takes a BJ to Impeach... then i say, "REMEMBER BREWSTER JENNINGS!". Has the makings of a T-shirt or Bumper Sticker. Anybody got a link about BJ and the effects of the "outing" on them specifically?



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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:28 AM
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13. "and many others"
"Wilson had good reason to be concerned: his wife was a covert agent, and revealing her identity put her and many other people's safety at risk."

What bothers me is that we cannot ever know what numbers of others were put at risk (or the ultimate worst) or what important intelligence, years in the development, was cut off and lost to us.

The crimes are well beyond the 'outing of Plame', and perhaps truly the loss of many years of carefully developed intelligence.

Comes down to TREASON.

TREASON, in my book.

TREASON.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:33 AM
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17. How many others?
That is an interesting question to consider. One difficulty is that one should always try to avoid the promotion of fear, which is what the administration has constantly resorted to for the past five years. Yet we live in a world that has some real dangers, and among them are people at a specific crossroads. That is the intersection of religious zeal distorted by the disease of hatred, and armed with weapons. The greater the hatred, and the larger the weapons, the greater the risk the person (or persons) poses to humanity.

When we expand the definition of religious zeal to include those who worship money as their "god," (and, indeed, most sacred texts speak of those who go whoring after other gods), that intersection becomes larger. It includes those who buy and sell those weapons -- a topic that DU's RobertPaulson detailed wonderfully in his essay "American Judas."

The proliferation of WMDs poses risks around the globe. It is irrational to believe that humanity can find safety by increasing the numbers of WMDs available. There are people in "power" in a growing number of places on the earth who believe that it is "God's will" that they have and use weapons of destruction, from individual soldiers to armies to jets to bombs.

Ms. Wilson had dedicated her career to attempting to slow down the unhealthy spread of WMD components. She worked with a group of people who were in similarly covert roles, both here and abroad, who were attempting to keep WMDs out of the hands of those who are most likely to advocate their use. This includes those who, in their diseased minds, think it is "God's will," and those who simply worship the earthly power of the dollar.

It takes approximately 12 years for the Agency to train a covert agent and create the type of cover Valerie Plame had. Add on another decade of experience in her job. The WHIG destroyed that investment. They ruined every single case she was involved with, along with damaging or destroying every case that those she worked with, supervised, or had linkages with, here and abroad.

In that context, it is safe to say that the WHIG put her and those she had contact with in potentially "immediate risk." For the rest of us, no matter if it is the people living in the Middle East, in England, in the increasingly unstable southeastern Asia, or in the United States, the WHIG increased the long-term risks to our safety and well-being.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:08 AM
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23. "The WHIG destroyed that investment.
They ruined every single case she was involved with, along with damaging or destroying every case that those she worked with, supervised, or had linkages with, here and abroad."


they also destroyed most possible future intel sources as well.

Who would want to help out CIA when their own Government outs them and then does nothing about it???

If I was working in a foreign government and a NOC CIA agent like Plame/Brewster Jennings consultant approached me for intel, well I would be scared shitless to give up info. I mean if the US does that to their most elite under cover agents then why would they care about my foreign ass???

Cripes not only did we lose Plame and Brewster Jennings - we lost all kinds of possible future sources of intel for any intel work not just WMD.

People sometimes do not see what a ripple effect that this has had on our information gathering which directly results in how secure we can make our country.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:12 PM
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34. Which begs the question
Cui bono?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:46 PM
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35. I'll play, how bout - BFEE, House of Saud, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld
and the parent company of Chevron Texico - can't remember their name but Condi was a board member before being elevated by Bush I.

Am I close???
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:29 PM
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38. Red hot, and getting hotter. n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 06:53 AM
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15. Kick ...
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:07 AM
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16. Congratulations on Kos

Rumi -
Look how the caravan of civilization has been ambushed.
Fools are everywhere in charge.
Do not practice solitude like Jesus.
Be in the assembly, and take charge of it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:02 PM
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50. I've never heard that Rumi quote - it's wonderful and could never be
truer than now. Adding it to my favorites with thanks.

And thanks to you, too, H2O Man! Your essays and comments always go to the heart of the matter with clarity, calm and long vision.

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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:04 AM
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19. K&R HURRY UP FITZ!!! eom
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:07 AM
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20. Makes you wonder how many other state secrets
Libby shared with Miller? Especially, since Miller is under investigation for tipping off a couple of Islamic charities that they were about to get raided.

BTW: When is all this going to come to a head? I know it takes time but we really need to get moving along here before BushCo finishes wrecking the government.

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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:12 AM
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22. Need more on Khan and Cheney involvement in Nuclear Blackmarket
I think it's a mistake and a waste if we don't pursue the Brewster-Jennings motive. Dick HAD to shut B-J down. Cheney was dealing in weapons with Khan of Pakistan and Don was busy planting wmd in Iraq. Brewster-Jennings - tracked the trafficking and movements of wmd.

For Cheney - it was 'dollars' all around - his own deals with Khan and the riches of Iraq which were going to be hiw own, so to speak - through Halliburton.

For Don - finding wmd in Iraq was 'political capital' for PNAC and the barons.

Yes, it is a waste of time getting hung up on Plame alone.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:13 AM
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25. I have been looking forward to April ever since Libby has been
trying to make this Joruno thing part of his defense.


:popcorn:

Thanks H2O Man..


PS - I was on DU last night and totally missed this, if it was not for the Front page who knows if I would have seen it.

Better to come late to party than to come early :toast:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:27 AM
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26. I am patiently awaiting conspiracy charges against WHIG members.
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 09:28 AM by Just Me
Well, maybe "patiently" isn't an accurate term for "anxiously" wanting those charges to evolve. :blush:
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:35 AM
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27. That quote by Tucker Carlson is probably the most accurate
observation/statement he has ever made.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:32 AM
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31. Kicking this.
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 11:33 AM by calimary
Good read, H20 Man!

:thumbsup:

Amazing, isn't it, how so many people are still okay with this... :eyes:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:49 PM
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36. Hello, friend calimary.
Amazing, indeed.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:02 PM
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32. Wm F. Buckley jr's admission of neocon failure in Iraq
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 12:06 PM by EVDebs
http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200602241451.asp

Put another nail in the coffin of this administration. Historians will look back at the abject failures from DAY ONE and R's will be a laughingstock. That, my friends, is why the r's can't even put lipstick on this pig.

No record to run on. Can't be trusted with power. The bottom line. Even IF impeachment isn't possible in '06 or thereafter. The preponderance of evidence against them as a "ruling party" is the common man's determinant. You can't fool the public forever.

Besides, the Plamegate, 9-11, IraqWar convergence is so deep with the entire administration doing a coverup

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2466336

that, just like the JFK assassination papers, it will be years before the really important documents are allowed out (if ever). We can only hope that they do; but in the meantime with Fitz's investigation ongoing for better or worse, we can mostly point to the lack of ANY Bush administration 'success' as justification for throwing the bums out. That is entirely good enough for 51% of the voting public.

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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:07 PM
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33. The very overlooked fact that Fitzgerald
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 12:11 PM by Pithy Cherub
started with charging Libby with felonies related to his behavior in the case is a warning of mammoth proportions to a careless self-involved media. Fitzgerald is slowly turning the bush "witnesses" against the media and the media against the witnesses. It's a giant barbeque created by hubris, avarice and malice aforethought.

Fitzgerald has not charged the violators with breaking the law on the Espionage and/or Intelligence Acts yet. The media players themselves could be charged with some of the same crimes as the original bush administrations bad actors (WHIG). The 'media' acted righteous until caught in the midst of their own lies. Methinks, that is seeming more and more like a willingness to collude and be charged as part of the unfolding conspiracy. I would really like to know if some of the attorney's being hired by the media are dual hatted; defense and first amendment lawyers more than we know about right now. HMMMMM.

Keep rocking all of their evil little worlds and turn up the heat on the BBQ, Fitz!

:popcorn:

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:12 PM
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37. Thanks for keeping us up to date H2O Man,
it is a crying shame the corpwhorate owned MSM will not.

Kicked and recommended.

:kick:
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:45 PM
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39. 'a willingness to collude '
Yes, and they are brazen about it now, as Tucker Carlson's statement in the OP shows. He TELLS us that Bush should have lied about Fitzgerald and investigation in order to be able to thrash it later, should we find out it was, in fact, serious!!

Then we find out his father is helping Libby's defense!! How much more compromised could he be? He's not at all concerned about the charges being true, just in getting Libby off the hook, and wishing the President of the US had lied to cover it all up!!

Then we find out about Chris Matthews' association with Abramoff ~ and these 'journalists' are the ones delivering the 'news' about these cases every night without revealing their own role in the stories themselves! Shouldn't there be laws against this?

Judith Miller also, reporting on, eg, Dr. Kelly's death (the British scientist also involved in the WMD and Niger yellowcake story) without revealing her own personal and very important correspondence with him right before his 'suicide'.

And as pointed out already, Woodward ~ I confess to being fooled for a while by Judith Miller, Woodward and Chris Matthews ~ although I was often frustrated that those I thought had integrity, never seemed to know what we knew ~ now I know they did and were complicit in it.

They should go down with the rest of the cabal just as Germany's propagandists did when all this is over, imo ~ as a warning first of all to Americans, that while they often distrust politicians, they need to be ever vigilent when it comes to the press also. I know that now and will never again trust any of them until they prove themselves.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:08 PM
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40. I totally agree Catrina,
I believe the state of "American Journalism" has never been lower. Our "fourth estate watchdog" has betrayed the American People, all for the sake of money and power. I began seriously feeling that way during the late 90s with their War Against Gore, the enabling of the 2000 coup, Treasongate, all the B.S. manufactured news about trivial issues while the planet is going to hell in a hand basket and my cynicism has only deepened, over the past seven years.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:16 PM
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41. Not that long ago,
in the land my father called "the Old Sod," there was an ugly, non-democratic force that attempted to impose inhumane conditions on the people. Part of their tactics included outlawing education for the Irish-Catholics. So books had to be hidden carefully. Because schools were outlawed, and those who taught the Irish-Catholics to read and write risked cruel death, they moved their institutes of higher learning outside of the corporate towns. They ran "hedge schools," named because the teachers and students had to hide beside the roads, hidden from view by the hedges. Perhaps we are not in so different a set of circumstances. I do not think the corporate media is worthless per say, but I think that we benefit from our own hedge schools, hidden on the margins of the information highway.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:50 PM
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43. No wonder, I feel like
I have briar in my butt.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:55 PM
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45.  Hedge Schools...hmmmm!
I Still crouching 'neath the sheltering hedge,
Or stretched on mountain fern,
The teacher and his pupils met feloniously to learn.


http://www.irish-society.org/Hedgemaster%20Archives/hedge_schools.htm
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FreedRadical Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:33 PM
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46. Who was Brewsrer Jinnimgs??
This I still have yet to about!!!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:45 PM
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47. A front company/consulting firm that allowed deep undercover CIA
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 03:48 PM by stop the bleeding
agents like Valerie Plame to go over seas and meet with other foreign officials on intel matters without raising any suspicions. That is the short of it. If someone else would like to add to this please do.

Keep in mind Brewster Jennings involved several undercover agents that were responsible to tracking blackmarket WMD material around the world.

Now for the kicker -

How does outing a whole undercover operation that tracks blackmarket WMD material help in fighting the war on terror, much less make us safer??? It doesn't..

You now may be asking why??

well read this and get back to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4390395


then see posts 13, 17, 23, 34, 35, 38


on edit: Welcome to DU and also welcome to the Plame threads - some of the best on DU, also don't forget spell check it helps in translating your post.:toast:


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FreedRadical Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:06 PM
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48. Thanks!!
Spellcheck, check!:)
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FreedRadical Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:45 PM
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52. Just got through some of the BJ stuff.
That was just about the scariest ride I have ever been on. This thread was kicked around last year, were are we now?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:12 PM
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53. we are getting closer to post # 35
but we are essentially here: my posts at 12 and 24 are worth reading as is the whole thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=547687


the center portion of this thread has some real meaty parts you can see how the conversations go way out.

In a nut shell, Fibby(Scooter Libby) was indicted last October by Fitz for OOJ(Obstruction of Justice) Perjury, and lying. He faces up to 30 years or so. Please note that Fitz did not indict anyone else YET or for the higher/heavier charges of conspiracy, outing an agent, leaking classified Intel, and other espionage charges.

When reading the Fibby indictment it does not look good for Fibby, based on the language and time line of events laid out by Fitz, Fibby has a STEEP STEEP STEEP uphill battle on his hands. Basically anyone who has ever read an indictment or any legal expert says the same thing. Fibby is Toast.

Fibby has a good lawyer on his hands and they are trying every procedural trick in the book and hey I don't blame them that is their right. So far most of these motions have been struck down by the judge. However, there has been some developments due to Fibby's procedural moves.

In short Fitz responded to Fibby's request and let the cat out of the bad:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2432282

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=315885


then there were these missing emails that Fitz said he knew about but for some reason the WH could not find or did not want to find them.

BTW I was the first to spot this on a Friday night news dump see here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=547687#548142

it didn't catch until later- but these emails are the equivalent to the Watergate tapes.

It is these emails that will spill the beans and get people to start singing, and hence it will turn into a circular firing squad. Bear in mind these emails are related to the Fibby case but they are no way a basis - see October indictment.

Now in addition to all of this Fibby is playing another procedural card and wants all journalists involved to testify in April. As with his other request I expect this one to backfire as well, and as with the others I expect that we will learn some new pieces of the puzzle.

I have only given you the briefest of glimpses of the Fibby trial which is part of the Plame scandal, my summary does not due the stories justice. I have several bookmarks so go ahead and read the threads that I provided and come back to me with more questions.

Feel free to pm me, also by no means I am an expert on this.

Peace!
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:50 PM
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51. remember GEORGE WILL coached Reagan for debates + then 'analysed'
the debates, praising Reagan

Will's part in the preparation was ?revealed/?discovered some time later

WILL NEVER PAID A PENALTY for his chicanery......in fact, he's still positively viewed by many
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:56 PM
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49. K & R ....
Thank you, for being you...:)
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