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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:32 PM
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My anticlimactic encounter with Ann Coulter
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 10:18 PM by Ignacio Upton
This is a follow up to my previous thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=606022&mesg_id=606022

Anyway, as I said earlier, Ann Coulter spoke tonight at my college (Syracuse University.) In all honestly, the whole thing was EXACTLY like other DUers in the previous thread described it as. If you read a post in the other thread about jokes she made at Indiana University last month, half of what hse said was exactly the same. There was a protest against her outside the auditorium too, against her racist comments. Security was also pretty tight. There were a few cops and beefy-looking College Republican goons standing near the aisles, and when I was waiting in line, I was asked to unzip my jacket for security concerns (I guess they're worried about "Al Pieda" again.)
Upon Coulter entering the room, it was like evil manifested itself into a manwhore stepford wife (I should note, btw, that her hometown of New Canaan, CT is where they filmed that movie, so she's somewhat representative of the place...but only somewhat. It's a nice town and most people I've met from there are nice, but their political orientation is a little out of whack even for Fairfiel County where Greenwich and most of the other upper-class were actually colored with only a shade of pink.) Her jokes would honestly be funny if I was a Repub, but I'm not about to drop out of school, grow a mullet, and register at Free Republic or Protest Warrior and follow Michael Moore where ever he goes. In the pretentious way she was talking, she was a cross between Kim Catrall and Rush Limbaugh. She had A LOT of wingnuts there to support her, and also a lot of people to boo her. Unfortunately, I think that some of the protesters only helped her. For example when sehe was going into her "liberals accuse us of stifling freedom in America when they do so on campus against us" crap, when someone just shouted "shut the fuck up." There was also some random dude in the audience sarcastically clapping whenever she spoke (which was funny but lost its touch after a while.) There were some pretty funny questions asked against her too. One guy said something like: Ann, I think you're pretty attractive compared to most Republican women" while another guy asked her why the National Review dropped her column after 9/11 when she wrote her "kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" column. Coulter just responded by saying "I sell more books than they do." Harrdy harr, Ann :eyes: Another person sarcastically asked her if he could help support racial profiling by joining the College Republicans. "Some Federalist Society asshole was one of the first up and got to speak for like five minutes and even though she half-heartedly tried to cut him off he continued praising her and Bush for a while. Now, perhaps one of the dumbest replies she gave was to a person who asked her something like "what can conservatives do to help Upstate NY economically," to which she replied saying something like "I don't know much about economics. It's like asking me to change a carbureter, so I can't really give a response on economic questions." This was a good example of stupidity. Considering that I just did a Google search and came up with this little gem from 2002 in which she implicitly defends Enron:
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/anncoulter/2002/01/24/162234.html
Now, I also remember reading that Time Magazine article about her last year in which they said her dad was a lawyer who represented corporations against unions. Now she's telling me that she can't answer an economic question? I've heard local Upstaters blame taxes and big government in general for the region's economic woes. I guess that judging by her past economic-related columns she really doesn't know what she's talking about!
Anyway, it was my turn to
Anyway, when my turn came, I tried to speak up on the issue of Congress cutting money in the student loan budget. here is a copy of what I wrote in advance of the assembly in case I stumbled while talking:

"Ann, my question for you is. Why do you support a President and Congress that passed and signed a record $12 billion cut in student loans, which will, for example, raise the monthly interest rate for Stafford loans from 4.7% to roughly 6.8% by this July? Why should SU students have the rug pulled from underneath them, especially at a time when this university is set to raise tuition by almost 6% for next year?"

Before saying that I said "Ann, I don't know what I dislike more about you. The fact that you're a Republican, or the fact that you went to Cornell" :D

Anyway, once I got around to the "...by this July" part, she tried interrupting me while I was talking, so I raised my voice and tried to finish my speech. I honestly don't remember 100% of what was going on. A few people in the audience that I asked afterward told me that she avoided my question, while others (the guy i asked was a total Freeper) said that she was saying "there are too many college students here," which was in reference to when she was commenting about the hecklers in general right before I spoke, and how students don't seem to be very smart these days. From what i remember, I think it was both, but I also remember a few fellow anti-Coulter people in the audience were shouting "answer the question," and part of the audience erupted briefly, both pro and anti-Coulter people briefly shouting. In the midst of it, I tried screaming out "why should Paris Hilton get a tax cut while financial aid is being cut!" to which no onecould really hear me. I then sat back down and about two or three people soke after me before the assembly ended. I'm not surprised that she interrupted me, but still. I wanted her to openly say something like "the government isn't your nanny. Pay for your own tuition if you can afford it," which is more or less likely what she believes, but unfortunately she just made some quip about "too many college students" while trying to cut me off. Anyway, I still think the fact that she cut me off while listening to dipshits from the Federalist Society for five minutes vindicates that she's full of shit. In hindsight, I think that asking another question like why she defended Timothy McVeigh and threatened the NYTimes would have been even more interesting.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:34 PM
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1. Great Job! Don't worry about not getting points across...
I've met some pretty powerful RWers in the last few years of my life, and I've rarely been able to say what needed to be said.

The nervousness is natural.

And this was good:

"Ann, I don't know what I dislike more about you..."

: )
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:41 PM
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2. Good for you, sweetheart! You did a great job.
She is so illogical and shallow. It is no wonder at all that she appeals to the GOP acolytes.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:43 PM
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3. It shows
I swear to God, she sounded like Kim Cattrall on crack with the tone of her voice.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:43 PM
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4. GREAT JOB!!!! Soundsto me like you made........
.....your point just fine.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:44 PM
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5. I'm surprised that I haven't gotten more posts on this thread
On my last one I was getting like 10 every few minutes.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:48 PM
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7. late evening on the east coast...
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 09:48 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
dinner time on the west. not your post, your timing. :)


Kick!
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:49 PM
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9. I'll kick it again later tonight or sometime tomorrow
Because, honestly, I'm surprised that I got 100 posts just for soliciting questions on her, and yet this thread hasn't caught much attention.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:25 PM
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31. It happens. Maybe we can kick it tomorrow, as well.
:)

She is such a loser. Only the unimaginative, no critical thinking skills, looking for "wisdom" folks can listen to her without having their brains scrambled. Well, perhaps that is why they can listen to her... scrambled brains. Should we add some sausage with that? :rofl:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:47 PM
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6. Great job!
I think she is a live version of right wing shock-jocks who cater to the lowest common denominator to sell books. What was her response to the National Review question?

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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:48 PM
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8. Read my initial post
She abruptly said something to the tune of "I sell moore books than they do." I kind of wish that I asked her about bulk purchasing of HER books to inflate her sales, but I thought that what i was asking was best.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:56 PM
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13. LOL You should get a bunch of people to prank her.
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 09:57 PM by McCamy Taylor
She is dumb as a bag of rocks, but she thinks she is smart. If you string her along just right, you could get her to say anything. What I would do is get some guys and women to dress up like her, stand up and ask really inane questions, try to get her to repeat stupid things you say, like facts that obviously cant be true but that she accepts as true. because you announce them with authority. See how long it takes her to see beyond her vanity, which would be tickled pink, to the ridicule.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:50 PM
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10. Excellent
If I ever get the chance to meet the whack job I would ask why must I live with parkinsons because her "religious views " are against stem cell research. Thank you for confronting her evil head on. I bet you need one of those silkwood showers just to get her stench off ya.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:51 PM
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11. Good question!
If you'll recall, anytime right wing talkin heads like Ann get asked a really tough question that will make them look bad, their first reaction is to begin interrupting the questioner before he can complete his statement.

The fact that she interrupted you meant you were asking her a tough question that (1) she didn't want to answer and (2) she didn't want other audience members to hear either because it would make her look bad.

The nervousness is very common. You did great! You certainly have more intestinal fortitude than I.

:applause:
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:54 PM
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12. How did you endure listening to her idiot dronings?
Did you have to resort to some kind of self-hypnosis? Some superhuman form of self-discipline as would be employed by practitioners of extreme fasting or lying on a bed of nails? Each moment must have seemed to stretch for an eternity of bottomless suffering -- yet you somehow preservered long enough to make your comments. And for that my hat is off to you. (I also salute whoever it was doing the sarcastic clapping.)
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:59 PM
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14. Here's a brief paraphrase of her "lecture"
Lib'ruls are traitors...Jeanine Garafolo, blah blah, Air America ratings falling, Fox's climbing, lib'ruls coddle barbaric Islamists...we found the weapons of mass destruction we just havent't found stokcpiles (she really said that contradictory remark)...Ted Kennedy and Chappaquidick, blah blah evil Cold War appeasers...Michael Moore is a traitor, blah blah lib'ruls hasve stopped criticizing the port deal once Congressional Republicans spoke up they're giving fake political outrage, blah blah, Air America is doomed!...we're under-represented in the MSM...we took down Dan Rather and we'll fight more lib'ruls in the media...we need a bigger trophy room for this (in the metaphorical sense), lib'ruls used Watergate to get revenge on Nixon for taking down Alger Hiss, McCarthy is was right about lib'ruls, blah blah we're spreading freedom and lib'ruls don't want Iraqis to vote. Any questions?
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:11 PM
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23. She must have a lot in common intellekshully with Bush
because she apparently can only give the same speech over and over.

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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:00 PM
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15. Nice post, until the Cornell comment GRR!!
Go Big Red!!!
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:02 PM
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17. Just trying to take a jab against one of our regional rivals
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 10:03 PM by Ignacio Upton
I'm just trying to mimick her in tactic :D I would say the same if she went to SUNY-Binghamton or Hobart and William Smith, or Colgate
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:02 PM
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16. They interrupt and shout over you. It's a dirty tactic that works.
It confuses and distracts the audience from focusing on a question or statement that would trap them.
It drives me nuts -but it almost always works. Even on savvy Dems.
I wouldn't feel bad at all if I were you. It must have taken a lot of courage to face the evil Skeletor.
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karmaqueen Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:04 PM
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18. Great question!
It is sad that we never will get answers to any questions even if they do hear. You are very brave to even be in the same room with Coulter. She and the type of people who like her scare me.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:06 PM
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20. I wasn't exactly the bravest person in the audience
There were people there who had the guts to tell to her face things that many jokingly asked me to say in the last thread about her.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:05 PM
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19. You did Good!
Thank you so much.

You have detailed why Coulter needs to be labeled as an "Entertainer", not a serious newsworthy person.

See, Jon Stewart admits this, Coulter does not.

:headbang:
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:07 PM
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21. Honestly, she uses a level of hyperbole similar to Leno or Letterman
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 10:07 PM by Ignacio Upton
And actually I think she does come across as entertaining if you actually agree with the crap she spews. Her "I don't know much about economics questions" response tells me all I need to know about her vapid state of mind.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:09 PM
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22. You didn't tell us what she looked like. Yes, we catty
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 10:10 PM by Cleita
women know what she looks like on TV, but is she really as skinny as she looks? Is she old looking? Sorry for being so shallow, but I'm curious.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:11 PM
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24. She is skinny and has an angular build with her face from what I could see
But I wasn't sitting close enough to tell you definatively whether or not she physically looks like a man with her facial features.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:14 PM
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27. Was her gigantic adam's apple noticeable?
That and her deep voice and giant man hands and feet give her/him/it away every time.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:16 PM
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28. It wasn't that visible
I wasn't sitting up close, i saw sitting in one of the middle row seats, so I couldn't make out beyond what I already posted.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:32 PM
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32. Please see:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:12 PM
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25. Please don't malign New Canaan
the whore is from Darien
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:14 PM
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26. In general, New Canaan is a nice town, IMHO
It's just that there are Coulter-types there that sully it's good name. I live in Westchester County across the border so I have an idea of what it's like there. Does she live in Darien now or did she actually grow up there? Because I thought that she grew up in New Canaan.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:17 PM
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29. I thought I read she grew up in Darien
I might be wrong. I have strong familial ties to New Canaan, so I prefer to think she grew up in Darien. :)
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:22 PM
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30. I know that your towns are rivals somewhat
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 10:31 PM by Ignacio Upton
My high school's school district encompasses Mount Kisco, Bedford, and Pound Ridge, which is right next door to you guys. Unfortunately a lot of the Connecticut drivers that come into Westchester have BC '04 sticker on (but I also see a decent number of Kerry and anti-Bush stickers too, I'm assuming that many of those people are from Stamford, Norwalk, or Westport or Fairfield, which all voted for Kerry) If it wasn't for the towns I just listed, Fairfield would have gone red in 2004.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:39 PM
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33. You did a great job there. . .
and even better, you asked a really non-threatening sort of question...the kind a truly thoughtful political pundit would have tried to venture an answer. You should be really proud of yourself - you stayed calm, wrote out your question clearly, and tried to ask something important to the audience.

Of course, Ann isn't really prepared to answer much that isn't already pre-recorded in her repetitious brain.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:48 PM
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35. I wouldn't say i was 100% calm
I did afterall have to shout the rest of my paragraph when she interrupted.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:44 PM
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34. You Rock!!!
Way to go, Ignacio! :yourock:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:52 PM
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36. Good for you!
When she spoke at my alma mater, it was a big scene there, too. She asked the "biggest and strongest College Republicans" to clear the hecklers out of the crowd for her. :rofl:
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:56 PM
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37. That's pretty much what happened at my school
She said at the beginning of her speech that her supporters would remove disrupters.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:15 PM
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38. Yay! You asked her a factual question and she looked like an idiot
I also love this one:

"Now, perhaps one of the dumbest replies she gave was to a person who asked her something like "what can conservatives do to help Upstate NY economically," to which she replied saying something like "I don't know much about economics. It's like asking me to change a carbureter, so I can't really give a response on economic questions." This was a good example of stupidity."
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:43 PM
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39. That fucking son of a union busting dirtbag can't die soon enough
fuck Coulter
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:09 AM
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41. KICK
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:53 PM
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40. These dickheads like Coulter, O'Reilly, Limbaugh
are just entertainers. Fakes. They go "over the top" to get headlines and attention. They are unworthy of taking seriously... they are empty trash. I don't worry one bit about their lame stupid acts.

I worry about those on both sides who bother to listen to them or take them seriously.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:00 PM
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42. It isn't entertainment
They are whipping up the dumb mean white guys and scape goating groups of people. It's what the Nazis did in Germany, and what happened in Rwanda (sp?)

I am waiting for the coded message -- cut down the tall cedars, or whatever -- to go out and for the goonish private security firms to start cracking down.

If past history can point to potential future behavior, ignoring this hate speech or calling it a joke seems risky, imho.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:04 PM
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43. Was he/she/it wearing a turtle-neck?



To conceal its Adam's apple?


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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 02:14 PM
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44. thats a typical tactic
When they sense something coming they feel may not be good, they quickly talk over you. My compliments on having the nads to do what you did.

Coulter has become a circus wherever she goes.

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