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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:44 PM
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Molly Ivins taken the gloves off
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12251.htm

Enough of the D.C. Dems

By Molly Ivins

03/08/06 "The Progressive" -- Mah fellow progressives, now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of the party. I don’t know about you, but I have had it with the D.C. Democrats, had it with the DLC Democrats, had it with every calculating, equivocating, triangulating, straddling, hair-splitting son of a bitch up there, and that includes Hillary Rodham Clinton.

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Take “unpatriotic” and shove it. How dare they do this to our country? “Unpatriotic”? These people have ruined the American military! Not to mention the economy, the middle class, and our reputation in the world. Everything they touch turns to dirt, including Medicare prescription drugs and hurricane relief.

This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.
more.........
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:46 PM
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1. Amen, sister!
"... it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass."


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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:48 PM
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2. Molly is simply spot on !!! Perfectly said nt
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:51 PM
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8. Yet there is a candidate challenging exactly the status quo she speaks of
taking a beating on the first page of the General Discussion.

I'll let you figure out which thread it is...
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:36 PM
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55. Hallelujah - "includes Hillary"
You bet it does.

Let's run a Dem in 2008 - say, JOHN CONYERS?
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:49 PM
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3. You go girl!
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:49 PM
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4. Prophetic!
I'll never forget the day I found Molly Ivins' columns online.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:49 PM
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5. Leave it up to Molly to put in eloquent, but down to earth
language, what we are all wringing our hands about.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:50 PM
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6. Love her even more today than yesterday!
I guess I better buy some more of her stuff....
I agree with her 100%
Time's up, time for time outs.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:50 PM
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7. Molly for President...
this is best government money can buy...let's get publically funded elections and a Congress that serves the people. If they have to campaign using the public's airwaves, let it be free and a podium for substantial issues only, not Swift Boat Liars. And let's have elections that pass the smell test and can be monitored by every country in the world that has a real democracy!
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:53 PM
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9. If I may, A quick prediction....
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:55 PM
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11. I missed this thanks
Edited on Wed Mar-08-06 09:59 PM by Twist_U_Up
on edit

I was going to rec. but its too old
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:54 PM
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10. Remember Molly's "dead chicken around the neck" column after
the 2004 election theft? She was sure as hell right and we've almost 3 years left with the dead bird. We need more like her.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:39 PM
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56. I think the impeachments are just around the corner.
cheer up!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 09:58 PM
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12. Yes!!! (nt)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:04 PM
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13. Good job, Molly!!
!!
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:08 PM
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14. Outstanding column. Post it on your office door. Leave copies
in the coffee room. I attended a Democratic precinct caucus meeting last night, and folks are angry -- fighting mad -- let's hope this keeps rolling!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:10 PM
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15. K & R n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:10 PM
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16. Geaux Molly Ivins!!!
:kick:
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:16 PM
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17. Wanna bet she had another 4 letter word in mind
when she said "Everything they touch turns to dirt". I'd have said shit instead of dirt.... lol
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:19 PM
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18. God, but I love Miss Molly!!!
First thing I ever read by Molly was "Shrub" when Chimpy ran for Prez the first time. I didn't really know anything about him, but felt uneasy about him from the get-go. Molly's book confirmed for me that my uneasiness was well-founded.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:19 PM
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19. I love it when she gets pissed off!
Thanks for posting.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:20 PM
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20. As long as even a sizable minority of Dems
vote along with the Republicans, I'd say we have a serious problem.

Molly's absolutely right.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:24 PM
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21. Go Molly!!! nt.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:26 PM
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22. Tell them Molly n/t
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:27 PM
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23. Molly, you rule my world.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:32 PM
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24. molly's been reading my mind again...
and it really creeps me out when she does that.
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:35 PM
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25. Regarding Hillary
I am so glad Molly has come out against Clinton.

For any of you who feel strongly toward supporting Hillary, I beg you - please do some research on her record on the electronic voting issue. Start with this analysis of S1986 by VerifiedVoting.org. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?id=5038

Also look at Bo Lipari's analsis of the same worthless bill:
http://www.wheresthepaper.org/PADAproblems.htm

There is also a long and frustrating story about how she ruined lengthy efforts to reach a compromise that may have stopped the use of electronic voting in Nov2004.

ANYONE that is as bad as she is on this issue is NOT a friend of democracy. IMO, SHE IS WORTHLESS!

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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:16 AM
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39. Not only that but never forget that last week
when the vote for cloture on debate on the new and rejuvenated Patriot Act was taken she voted yes.

Hey Hillary, nothing like taking a dump on the Bill of Rights.

I've voted for every Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate since 1972. If "that woman" gets the nod from the party in 2008, I will NOT vote for her. I'll take a pass which is something I never thought I could do.

:mad: :mad:
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:37 PM
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26. Amen!!!!!
She took the rant right out of my mouth!

We don't need Republican lite. We need a real leader that speaks to the issues that are at the core of our values. We need honesty and integrity brought back to politics.

I saw Why We Fight tonight and I am ashamed to be an American. A pox on them all. (However, I would also include Boxer with Feingold.)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:47 PM
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27. I agree with Molly.
As usual ... a true American patriot. :patriot:

:applause:

-Laelth
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:51 PM
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28. Molly I love you!!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:51 PM
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29. Say it Loud ... say it proud
Every Democrat I talk to is appalled at the sheer gutlessness and spinelessness of the Democratic performance. The party is still cringing at the thought of being called, ooh-ooh, “unpatriotic” by a bunch of rightwingers.

Take “unpatriotic” and shove it. How dare they do this to our country? “Unpatriotic”? These people have ruined the American military! Not to mention the economy, the middle class, and our reputation in the world. Everything they touch turns to dirt, including Medicare prescription drugs and hurricane relief.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 10:56 PM
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30. There's the Call, now
where's the response?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:05 PM
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31. Molly! Molly! Molly!
eom
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:07 PM
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32. I wish I could have Molly Ivins' baby
damn, that is one fine Texan woman!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:10 PM
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33. She is just awesome, and right on with this.
I love when she gets down to business like that. We DO need some firebrand to kick the Democratic asses in gear. Howard Dean was sooo there, but got smacked down by the media and repubs.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:28 AM
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43. Thanks for the Dean comment.
Talk about "Swift Boating." Dean got taken down by both sides in my opinion.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:22 PM
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34. Feingold is great
Join the momentum at www.russforpresident.com.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:45 AM
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44. Feingold, really like the guy
At least whenever the media will allow us to hear him he impresses the hell out of me. So, what might be a negative? I was such a Dean fan, he impressed me in a similar way that Feingold is beginning to impress me. Dean appeared to run on pure guts and ideas, drew crowds that were fun to watch on C-span. Even Dean and his crew were surprised at the crowds he would draw. Dean said what many wanted to hear about the state of our Union.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:31 AM
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50. Will Do ! Feingold vs. either Guiliani or McCain...he'll beat both 'em nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:26 PM
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35. Great Rant Molly-I agree 100% eom
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:51 PM
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36. So....who outside the Beltway can we nominate?
Let's hear some suggestions! I am so glad she gave Warner the boot...ick!

Clark? I would love Bill Moyer!

How can this country be so lacking in leadership?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:55 PM
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37. I absolutely love Molly Ivans
:woohoo:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 11:59 PM
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38. If love for Molly was oil...
there's be no energy crisis and BushCo would need hobbies.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:26 AM
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40. Molly is about 2-4 years ahead of her time with this rant....
Democrats are not ready for this route.....yet. But they will be if things do not change in this November's election. I fear this may be the last chance for this reincarnation of the Democratic Party. There will have to be a new birth if things do not change this November.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:16 AM
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41. Hope it's alright to add more Molly
"I can’t see a damn soul in D.C. except Russ Feingold who is even worth considering for President. The rest of them seem to me so poisonously in hock to this system of legalized bribery they can’t even see straight

=======

Who are these idiots talking about Warner of Virginia? Being anodyne is not sufficient qualification for being President. And if there’s nobody in Washington and we can’t find a Democratic governor, let’s run Bill Moyers, or Oprah, or some university president with ethics and charisma.

=========

We can raise our own money on the Internet, and we know it. Howard Dean raised $42 million, largely on the web, with a late start when he was running for President, and that ain’t chicken feed. If we double it, it gives us the lock on the nomination. So let’s go find a good candidate early and organize the shit out of our side."

She is ranting and venting and speaking truth to power. Could it be the health problems her buddy Ann is having to deal with that is causing her to be so blunt.


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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:21 AM
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42. An opposition party?
A party that would stand opposed to:

tyranny and fascism,

bribery and treason,

war mongering and profiteering,

torture and other methods of demeaning the human spirit.

Who would ever support this opposition party? What Americans would vote for such ideals?

Better off to just stick with the Dems. Better in the long run. They can teach us all their tricks, the ones that they use to pretend to themselves that these thing don't matter, are not happening, just be happy, don't worry. If we can just learn those tricks, the world will be spared. Or at least we will won't care so much about the Hell that is our making.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:08 AM
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45. Molly says exactly what I feel and want!
Hello?????

Any "leaders" listening?

How many time do we have to WARN you about taking our support for granted?

If you don't give us a good reason to vote FOR you, as opposed to just voting against the fascist REPUKES, they don't be surprised when we DON'T vote FOR you!

And you know what - don't blame US if the repukes win again - because it will fall squarely on YOUR spineless guttless asses - YOU will have only YOURSELVES to blame!

But go ahead, and scold us and threaten us into voting for you - like THAT will work - NOT!
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:41 AM
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46. Sweet
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 03:50 AM by Stockholm
Her idea about a grassroot candidate is very interesting! Kick
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:05 AM
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47. So glad to see such a response the 2nd time around on this! n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:07 AM
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48. I'll give the same weight to these comments by Molly...
That I did her endorsement of Ralph Nader!!!
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:27 AM
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49. Just think about it..

..if all the "gutless/spineless centrists" got behind Nader and his "Raiders" we would not have Roberts and Scalito on the SC...:sarcasm: gimmee a fuggin' break...this Democrat bashing is getting older faster...
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:39 AM
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51. Molly speaks for so many of us...and has for a long time
K&R
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Dr. Death Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:49 AM
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52. I couldn't agree more
Now let's find the kind of person she's talking about. Who is it?

Feingold?

Clark?

Who else?

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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:47 PM
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53. Ivins for President!!!!
Love her. Love her. Love her!!!!!!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:27 PM
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54. Good Golly Ms Molly!!!!!!
Someone of national prominence needed to say it, and I'm glad it was Molly.

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:18 PM
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57. Yep, I enjoy her writing so far on cnn.com
She is a lot better than Mark Shields...I mean, he did write some decent stuff, but Ivins is taking it up a notch, to another level, and thank god for that...I liked her article...:)
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:20 PM
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58. Someone has to say it Damn-It!
Damn people, those with the voices that can be heard need to stand up and tell it like it is...
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:33 PM
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59. The divine Ms. Ivans.
:loveya:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:45 PM
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60. I agree 100 %! Speak on it, Sistah Molly..... n/t
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:47 PM
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61. I love Molly
So much she's in my sig line!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:55 PM
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62. Right on! Wonder what she thinks of RFK Jr. for President?
There's a thread here who's sentiment I agree with:

We should draft RFK Jr. for Pres. in 2008 -- saw him speak last night
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x613530
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:14 PM
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63. Molly is absolutely correct
And I wish the DC Dems would start paying attention.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:53 PM
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64. Molly Speaks For Me !!!
Go Molly go!!!

:bounce::yourock::bounce:
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timbnyc44 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 04:17 PM
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65. Thank you, Molly

It's about time someone called Clinton out for what she really is. It's frustrating for me, a NYer, to have to be represented by someone who is so far removed from her constituents! From Iraq to Iran to gay marriage to Wal-Mart to everything else that's been mentioned in this discussion already, Clinton simply does not represent me or most NYers! That's why I'm hoping she gets the message loud and clear from voters now, not in 2008 - and why I'm supporting Jonathan Tasini in the Democratic primary.
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