Military DUers please help

[liberaltrucker]

As Commander in Chief, is * subject to UCMJ? If so, could a senior General
declare him unfit for command and relieve him? I've read of cases where junior
officers invoked a section of UCMJ to relieve a demented semior officer. Would
that law apply to *?

[stop the bleeding]

1. kicking for answer

interesting question, wish I could help

[niyad]

2. probably not, as he is most pointedly the CIVILIAN c-in-c

[liberaltrucker]

3. Oh, well

Thought I'd grasp at a straw:hippie:

[cynatnite]

4. No, he's a civilian...

unlikely to even find someone to make such a bold move if he was under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.

[TreasonousBastard]

5. And, moreover...

should any generals or admirals decide to try to sack the President, that would be a military coup-- essentially a revolution of sorts.

Not the kind of thing we approve of in this country.

If you get a chance, check out the movie "Seven Days in May" which shows such a coup in the planning.

[KitchenWitch]

6. Excellent question LT

We gotta work these fools at all angles.

[Moody Bluz]

12. Something has to stick.

This Administration has to be running out of lives. Bush is worse than Jason in the slasher films. He keeps coming back and creating even more havoc than before.

[tabasco]

7. No, not subject to UCMJ.

But I wonder what quick procedure could be used if the President just went batshit crazy one day.

Probably declared unfit by a doctor and replaced by the VP, pending an impeachment.

Hopefully before the nukes were launched.

[TorchTheWitch]

10. Twenty-fifth Amendment

The Twenty-fifth Amendment provides for removal of the president due to incapacitation. Section 4 is specifically for the removal of a president involuntarily... so if a president were to go batshit but refuse to believe he was, the VP and cabinet members can decide on their own whether or not he's fit to serve. The president can either accept their decision to remove him or not... if he doesn't, Congress would then have to remove him by a 2/3 vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_four:_Involuntary_withdrawal
Section four: Involuntary withdrawal
It is also possible for the Vice President, together with a majority of the heads of the executive departments (that is to say, members of Cabinet) or of such other body as Congress by law provides, to declare the President disabled. The provisions of section four have never been invoked.

The President may resume his duties by a written declaration sent to the President pro tempore and the Speaker. If the Vice President and Cabinet, however, are still unsatisfied with the President's condition, they may within four days of the President's declaration submit another declaration that the President is incapacitated. Congress must immediately decide the issue; a two-thirds vote in each House is required to permit the Vice President to assume the Acting Presidency.

Never in our history has a president been involuntarily removed. Many times presidents through injury or illness have invoked the Twenty-fifth Amendmendment and temporarily transferred his power to the VP, but there has never been a case where a president was removed when he didn't want to be (except through assassination).

[tabasco]

13. Thanks! Now tell me what happens ...

when they're all batshit crazy !

[0007]

15. Someone once said, "people deserve the type of government they have"

We do have a batshit crazy leader, but are all the people batshit crazy too? I think most are, and I think most are scared batshit crazy shit-less.

[Lars39]

8. There's been several purges of the top brass since bush took office.

If it were possible, there might not be anyone willing to do so left.
Military coups rarely end well, either.

[vetairmandem]

9. hmm...

yes, there have been a bunch of generals...uhh..booted out by bush and his flunkies.. Maybe so no one will stop bush if he claims dictatorchimp of the u.s.

[KitchenWitch]

11. Welcome to DU!

[newyawker99]

14. Hi vetairmandem!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[SpiralHawk]

16. The Ugly Truth that Republican chickenhawks cannot deal with

Republicans (the ones sending people to war):

• Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
• Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
• Tom Delay: did not serve.
• Roy Blunt: did not serve.
• Bill Frist: did not serve.
• Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
• Rick Santorum: did not serve.
• Trent Lott: did not serve.
• John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
• Jeb Bush: did not serve.
• Karl Rove: did not serve.
• Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
• Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
• Vin Weber: did not serve.
• Richard Perle: did not serve.
• Douglas Feith: did not serve.
• Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
• Richard Shelby: did not serve.
• Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
• Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
• Christopher Cox: did not serve.
• Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
• Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
• George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; Got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
• Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
• B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
• Phil Gramm: did not serve.
• John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
• Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
• John M. McHugh: did not serve.
• JC Watts: did not serve.
• Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years as quarterback.
• Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
• Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
• George Pataki: did not serve.
• Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
• John Engler: did not serve.
• Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
• Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers

• Sean Hannity: did not serve.
• Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
• Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
• Michael Savage: did not serve.
• George Will: did not serve.
• Chris Matthews: did not serve.
• Paul Gigot: did not serve.
• Bill Bennett: did not serve.
• Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
• John Wayne: did not serve.
• Bill Kristol: did not serve.
• Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
• Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
• Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
• Ralph Reed: did not serve.
• Michael Medved: did not serve.
• Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
• Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)


Democrats:

• Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
• David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
• Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
• Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an Army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
• Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
• Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
• John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
• Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
• Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress.
• Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
• Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
• Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
• Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven Campaign ribbons.
• Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,and Soldier's Medal.
• Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
• Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
• Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
• Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
• Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
• Chuck Robb: Vietnam
• Howell Heflin: Silver Star
• George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
• Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
• Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
• Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
• John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
• Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.


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