Freeper Heads Explode Over Minister's Excellent Emails

[cali]

My husband has subscribed to a Daily Devotional Email from a Pastor Kerry at Covenant Lutheran Church (ELCA) in Houston, TX for a number of years. Although we are Missouri Synod, we know Pastor Kerry and have enjoyed the devotionals. Kerry recently went on a 6-month sabbatical doing who knows what and came back talking all this anti-war garbage. We were present at his Christmas Eve Service with the family (my husband's sister goes there) and almost got up and left when he started talking about our bombs killing innocents on Christmas Eve. My husband has already written him twice after his emails this week with no reply. Look at the website and read the devotionals from this week. Here are a few excerpts. I would post them all but it would be very long.

"Increasingly I am coming to believe that the best support, both now and in the long run, in the face of messages that say the quagmire in the Middle East will last for years, is to bring them home."

"Let us pray: Gracious God, the battles against evil rage in our hearts and in this world. Patience and love fall to power and weaponry. Our brother is dehumanized and our children are taught to kill with precision. Bombs are strapped to bodies and statesmen abuse the trust of their people and the power of their offices. Is there anything we can do or must we sit idly by? In Jesus’ name. Amen."

"I realize that I am not a philosopher or a theologian or an expert at anything, I’m nothing but a simple parish pastor. And I seriously question whether what we are doing in Iraq continues to be just and right or whether it has become something we are just doing because we have the might."

"Perhaps we haven’t learned much in the last 4000 years. But hopefully we have learned something. Hopefully we have learned that wars don’t solve problems. At best, war can create the opportunity whereby problems can be solved. I pray that is the outcome in Iraq and I pray that it happens as quickly as possible."

"Let us pray: Dear Jesus, just as people misconstrued the message of the Bible when they used it to convict you of blasphemy, so too people today use the Bible to justify their prejudices, fears and idolatries. Help us to truly and deeply see beyond the words on the page to the Word which your Spirit sows anew in our lives. In Jesus’ name. Amen."
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ELCA; RELIGION; WAR
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I am growing increasingly tired of liberal pastors using the pulpit to bash our country, our president, the war on terror, etc.
1 posted on 03/09/2006 6:17:11 AM PST by American72
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To: BnBlFlag


ping
2 posted on 03/09/2006 6:18:56 AM PST by American72 (Sick of Democrats)
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To: American72


I would be leary of anyone named Kerry!!!!!!
3 posted on 03/09/2006 6:18:58 AM PST by mariabush ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: American72


Isn't the Missouri synod the conservative wing of the Lutheran church?

My daughter-in-law and grandkids are faithful Lutherans and they are a military family.
4 posted on 03/09/2006 6:20:52 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: American72


They have infiltrated our churches. I feel some did it to force social change. I would expect a pastor or priest to be averse to warfare. I would also expect them to preach Gods word and not that of CPUSA or the DNC. I would simply block their emails.
5 posted on 03/09/2006 6:22:03 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: American72


Alphabet Lutheran..probably went to a brainwa..er, convention during his sabbatical.
His fellow ELCA and UCC ministers chanted their liberal cult mantra and his sponge-like brain absorbed it.
We have many priests like this in the Catholic Church.
6 posted on 03/09/2006 6:22:34 AM PST by steve8714 (Burn Peugeot, burn.)
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To: squarebarb


ELCA is liberal. Missouri Synod is conservative. Wisconsin Synod is even more conservative.
7 posted on 03/09/2006 6:23:39 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: TonyRo76


Hi, Tony! FYI ping...
8 posted on 03/09/2006 6:24:31 AM PST by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: American72

just as people misconstrued the message of the Bible when they used it to convict you of blasphemy, so too people today use the Bible to justify their prejudices, fears and idolatries

Pot and kettle, there. This guy's a Leftist using his mail-order collar as a crutch for The Agenda.

[meegbear]

1. It's a shame when men use the pulpit to promote peace ....

instead of hate and death. Just breaks my heart.

[cdb]

2. Right. Always bash ministers if they don't agree

These freeps are assholes. The word of God vs. the word of Cheney. If a christian is against the war they must be brainwashed, of course.

[cali]

4. I'm just amused by how

disturbed they are by this pastor's mild words. It's not like he's bashing their precious pres.

[Kerrytravelers]

3. They have infiltrated our churches.

Oh, so all churches belong to them. Now I get it.

No wonder Mr. kt and I have stopped attending services. We were intruding upon their sacred ground. Now I understand.

:eyes:

[sui generis]

10. there's nothing keeping them from moving to Waco

and living in a compound. Don't forget the fire extinguishers.

Amazing how trenchant they are in their views about what everyone else should be doing with their lives. I just wonder why they aren't in Iraq themselves, bringing democracy to the poor backwards heathens who have welcomed us there with open arms.

[JackBeck]

5. Hasn't the Pope denounced the war, as well?

Oh, that's right. Catholics don't count. It's just these types of Christians that matter.:sarcasm:

[Bridget Burke]

16. One of the Freepers complained....

That too many Priests had the same attitude.

[Kire]

6. So I take it you're pro-war then?

:shrug: Or maybe I don't, there's some cognitive dissonance.

[cali]

13. Huh? What?

And I take it you have a problem with reading comprehension. I characterized the minister's words as excellent. In my world that's not an endorsement for the war.

[Kire]

25. "almost got up and left" = "excellent"?

I missed that class.

[cali]

27. I'm gonna make this really simple

I wrote the title of the thread. The rest of it is from freeperville. No one else seemed to have a problem grasping that.

[Kire]

28. I don't like your tone.

You're treating me like I'm a child. I had a problem grasping that. My "reading comprehension" is not impaired. You copied the body of the thread with no attribution. No links, nothing. The cognitive dissonance I mentioned was a reference ot the mixed message between the title and the body. I didn't attack you. I didn't wander into this post thinking how can I ruin cali's day. Maybe you should have gone to the HTML Lookup Table and use the blockquotes code, I don't know, maybe just an attribution would be enough. I'm not an idiot and I won't be treated like one.

[cali]

29. I'm sorry. I definitely owe you an apology

for getting snippy.being snarky. Your right you didn't attack me. I didn't think any attribution was needed. I guess I was wrong.

[Kire]

30. thank you

I wish I had understood on the first try

[Frank Cannon]

32. Hey, now, let's all be nice

We wouldn't want to be like those warmongering, hate-filled good "Christian" churchgoers. ;)

[Dem2theMax]

37. Just so you'll be aware, I would imagine many others made the same

mistake when they first started reading the post. I know I did. I had to go back and read it over a few times before I realized you weren't writing about an experience that you yourself had had.

Others might not want to admit that they have reading comprehension problems (not that I do, but in this case, I did) but I do think you should know that others are taking the post the wrong way. (At least on first reading.)

[LoZoccolo]

7. Could you post the link?

I'd like to see this develop.

[cali]

11. Sure

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1593064/posts

[Cassandra]

8. "They have infiltrated our churches."

Who has? Jesus?

[efhmc]

19. Exactly my thoughts.

[zanne]

9. Imagine a man of God advocating for peace!

What has this world come to?

[JackBeck]

12. Wasn't his name Jesus?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Years ago, some commentator (I forget which one) talked about

America's real religion being not Christianity but American Civil Relgion, namely, nationalism covered with a religious veneer.

Those freepers are textbook examples. For them, the important thing is not what Jesus taught--it's being properly reverential toward Amurka.

[sakabatou]

15. Man... what assholes

[wtmusic]

17. Leftists everywhere! There's one...behind that tree!

:scared:

[efhmc]

18. Missouri Synod Lutheran Church makes the Baptists look liberal.

I love my church (ELCA) but find even sharing the name Lutheran with these rw folks scary. If these people do not like this message (which btw is Christ's message) they really should not call themselves Christians. They still do not "allow" women to be pastors. When I first moved to Houston, a new acquaintance approached me about joining her MS church, I politely told her I was a feminist and she informed that they were getting the vote soon. Whoa, what progress.

[tanyev]

33. Gotta say that all Missouri Synod churches are not the same.

I am Missouri Synod and I personally know there are some scary pastors out there in the LCMS, but both the congregation I am at now and the last congregation I was at were very laid back and welcoming. Both of those pastors were very careful to not ever let their personal political opinions intrude on the worship service. Women voted, served as congregational officers, lay readers, etc.

It's like the synod is a microcosm of the nation, with the majority of the members being basically moderate (relatively speaking) and then there is a small group of very freaky right wingers who are incessantly trying to take over and impose their will on everyone else. If I ever have the misfortune to be at a church where one of these pastors comes on board it will probably be the last straw for me and I will look for the closest ELCA church.

[efhmc]

36. Any church that denies the right of women to serve as pastors is not

the place for me. The MS churches that I know about in Texas seem like Baptists to me. They may be full of the best people in the world but they are definitely on my list to avoid. The last thing I heard (must admit this was long ago) they did not even allow members of other synods, much less other churches to participate in holy communion. This happened to a friend visiting her military son from Texas to another state and the church turned her away at the communion rail and she was a member of the LCA (actually in the church where her son was baptized and confirmed). Something screwy about that.

[tanyev]

38. Oh, I appreciate where you are coming from.

I've heard several women ELCA pastors preach and I was impressed by each one of them. I'm sorry your friend got turned away from communion. That varies by congregation and pastor, too. The churches I have been at never did that, but I'm sure there are some that still do.

[gatorboy]

20. They've infiltrated YOUR churches???

Sorry Gomer, but it's the other way around. :puke:

[sinkingfeeling]

21. "I would expect a pastor or priest to be averse to warfare."..Geez,e

and I thought Jesus was the Prince of Peace.

[melissinha]

22. Christmas Eve and opposing anti-war message

We were present at his Christmas Eve Service with the family (my husband's sister goes there) and almost got up and left when he started talking about our bombs killing innocents on Christmas Eve.

I am sorry but this is plain brain-washing, I REALLY don't see how opposing war and death opposed the word of Christ. I really don't ... and on Christmas Eve of all things..

I commend the pastor though.... I am curious to see what is being preached back at my College: LUTHER College...

[efhmc]

23. We got rid of the pastor her who used to pray for "George" and still he

did not advocate war.

[Dr. Death]

24. So apparently they like it that bombs kill innocents?

If they feel the need to almost leave when someone brings this up, then I guess they support the practice?

Who would Jesus bomb?

[Roland99]

26. Better put some yellow stars on their robes.

[Lexingtonian]

31. They deny God when He disagrees with their vile egos....

As I recall, that's the religious textbook definition of evil.

[complain jane]

34. "My husband has already written him twice after his emails this week...

...with no reply. "

Gosh. What nerve. The pastor didn't drop everything and respond to her husband's (probably derogatory) emails.

Doesn't the pastor know that the world revolves around freepers?

Especially if he wrote 2 in one week. :argh: :nopity:

[tanyev]

35. And they're not even members of this pastor's church!