Net full of "Muslim Rape Spree in Europe"

[Comadreja]

When trying to verify this latest hate attack from the right, I came across some Islamophobic sites that would have left Himmler gasping with admiration, but no site offering refutation. Anyone else?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. This is the first time I've heard of this

My husband goes to Muslim talk boards and we subscribe to a couple of Sufi yahoo groups, and none of these sources are saying anything at all about it.

[genie_weenie]

2. AM I ALONE AT DU???

Doesn't anyone see anything similar in these threads? It's the OLDEST propaganda tool in history!!!!
Always claim the enemy is raping and denigrating your women to swell the anger of men! It works!

The problem is freepers believe one of these claims and not the other and DUers believe one of these claims and not the other...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x613586

[Comadreja]

4. Of course it's BS

I post at a political battleground forum and knock down this BS whenever I can. This one was posted from a Freeper site but when Googling it for the truth, all I found were conservative copycats. Check it out:

"A Muslim rape epidemic is sweeping over Europe -- and over many other nations host to immigrants from the Islamic world. The direct connection between the rapes and Islam is irrefutable, as Muslims are significantly overrepresented among convicted rapists and rape suspects. The Muslim perpetrators themselves boast that there crime is justified since their victims were, among other things, not properly veiled.

What is the psychology here? What is the significance of this epidemic? And how do we face it when our own feminists, with a few exceptions, are deafingly silent about it?

To discuss this issue with us today, we are joined by:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21502"

While you're at it, jump in and help silence the Islamophobes. The particular a$$hat Freepr goes by "ExposingIslam."

http://www.perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=89246&forum_id=71

[BlooInBloo]

12. Your phrasing misses an essential part of the point...

The biggest part of the point of the propoganda is: THE BROWN SKINNED are raping and denigrating "their" women.

King Kong all over again...

All thanks to "good whites", who believe that it isn't racism as long as they don't say "nigger".

[genie_weenie]

14. No.

Because the retreating Nazis used to tell Belgian towns American soldiers were going to rape and kill them and look at Iraq, in Saudi Arabia and as far away as Indonesia claims are made that Americans are raping Iraqi women.

It's not a white/black issue, it is a US/THEM issue...

[BlooInBloo]

17. lol - It's never a black/white issue....

to the vast majority of Americans...

And just because rape claims have been made sometime in the past that were not race-based (for the sake of argument) - that has exactly what to do with THIS CASE?

It doesn't really matter tho - I'm sure you can come up with some at least semi-plausible answer. And were back to "good whites" - unless the word "nigger" is used, there's ALWAYS some other semi-plausible explanation....

[genie_weenie]

20. What are you trying to say?

My point is: Rape propaganda has been used for thousands of years. It is occurring in Iraq right now (to whit: American soldiers are raping Muslim women) it is occurring in Europe (to whit: Muslim males are raping European women).

Look at WWI propaganda, in order to promote support for American involvement in WWI, American propaganda routinely portrayed the vicious Hun raping poor Belgian/French women.

The key is this: Man is not inherently violent, in order to get one man angry enough to kill another man, propaganda has to be employed. One of the most effective tools has been to inflame Men's genetic triggers, illegal access to women by THEM limiting YOUR legal access...

And what use does your inflammatory language serve in this post?

[Burning Water]

22. You know, funny thing

rape keeps happening, too, and it is not propaganda, although, yes, it can be used as such.

[genie_weenie]

23. So do you believe

American soldiers, marines, sailors, guardsmen are rountinely raping Iraqi women?

[BlooInBloo]

25. I don't *know*....

But it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I take it, since you asked it, that you would be surprised (correct/incorrect?). If so, how is such surprise possible after all of other grusome acts we KNOW our soldiers have performed?

[genie_weenie]

27. Well, this post was for Burning Water

but since you asked:

I believe in innocent until proven guilty.
I never witnessed a rape while I was in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Burning Water]

32. Are they?

No, I don't believe that. I do believe that some rrapes may have taken place. But that is not a part of our culture. And it doesn't justify the Muslim rapes which are the point of the discussion.

[BlooInBloo]

24. Again - just because OTHER cases aren't race-related...

... says nothing about THIS case... But have fun throwing out more and more OTHER cases...

A: This guy is a thief!
B: No he's not, look at this other guy, *he's* not a thief!
A: I don't care about that other guy - I'm sayin *this* guy is a thief!
B: But, but, this other guy, his friend, and his grandpa aren't thieves!
A: What does that have to do with THIS guy?

... and so it goes...

Man is not inherently violent? LOL - Only someone who disregards, um, the entirety of human history could say that with a straight face.

Purpose: "good whites" have done a bang-up job hiding racism under the fog of "another semi-plausible explanation". It's good to point it out. I understand as a practical matter there's little/no hope of convincing "good whites" - or any others for that matter - on the issue.

But the notion that the typical coloring of European muslims has *nothing* to do with anything is completely laughable. Only a person of a special sort could even countenance such a notion.

btw - "good whites", as used by me, is opposed to "bad whites", where the latter are happy to be up-front with their racism. The former are typically simply enablers (The New Republic kinda Democrats) - knowingly or not. A lot of people actually *prefer* the "bad whites", because of the no-surprises-no-disappointments thing.

[genie_weenie]

26. Are you purposely ignoring my points?

What are you talking about? good whites, bad whites? Are you talking about eggs? What is the typical coloring of european muslims? what does that mean? Who's a thief?

I will clearly state, yet again, propaganda that a massive wave of rapes are occurring is simply used to make Men angry enough to go out and do something about it.

And Dr. Howard Zinn will be glad to hear you think he disregards the entirety of human history.

[BlooInBloo]

28. ROFL....

A essential part of the propoganda is that a wave of rapes by "COLOREDS" is occurring... The notion that COLORED is not an essential part of the propoganda is laughable.

It's a simple fact, for good or for ill, that while white folks hate rape, the hate rape by "coloreds" just a lil bit more.

I won't bother with the rest, which apparently zipped right over your head...

[genie_weenie]

29. *sigh*

What do you want me to type?

The muslim world is not interested in your racism. Europeans do not ascribe to *YOUR* definitions of race.

I'd like to know what a white person is, according to your definition.

And what zipped over my head, your refusal to look at what I actually typed?

[BlooInBloo]

13. Your phrasing misses the biggest part of the point....

The biggest part of the point of the propoganda is: THE BROWN SKINNED are raping and denigrating "their" women.

King Kong all over again...

All thanks to "good whites", who believe that it isn't racism as long as they don't say "nigger".

[BlooInBloo]

16. Sorry bout the double post....

[Burning Water]

3. It's hard to refute facts.

Honor killings, rapes of women whose brothers or fathers have done something like fall in love with a woman from a higher social status. All these things are done in Muslim countries and reported even in the MSM.

Australian newspapers have run a number of news articles and editorials on incidents of Muslims raping Australian girls because they are white and/or Christian. Just because a hate-site picks up on it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

All rapists, like all terrorists are not Muslim. All Muslims are certainly not terrorists or rapists. There does seem to be a correlation of some sort, though, at least for the terror. Rapists are members of and a disgrace to all ethnicities, races, and religions. The Muslim ones, though, from what I can figure out, are raping to force Western women to adopt Sharia customs. Perhaps as part of their radical plan to convert the world to Islam.

I don't know, but I do know one thing. There is no excuse for rape, and people who leave their homes to live in other countries need to understand that they now live under the laws of that country, not the laws of their former country.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Bullshit.

Bullshit.Bullshit.Bullshit.Bullshit.Bullshit.Bullshit.Bullshit.Bullshit.

I heard of a case in Pakistan of so-called 'honor rape'. The perpetrators were tried and convicted in Pakistani courts. If it was such a common occurrence would it have made the international, or even local news?

Things get in the news because they are uncommon. There are probably dozens of rapes (non-Muslim committed) every month here. They almost never make the news because they are common, and because they are dealt with like any other crime. No doubt it is the same in your city.

This is racist propaganda designed to create fear of the 'other'. There hasn't been a wave of daily terrorist bombings -- the terrorist attacks are few and far between -- so something must be put up to keep us looking at Muslims, or Arabs, or South Asians, or guys who sort of look like they might be Muslim, or Arab, or South Asian, and wondering "is that guy safe?"

There are a billion Muslims out there. Of that billion, there are maybe 50,000 who could be classified as terrorists, and a couple million who might be sympathizers. That's what, .05%?

Get a grip.

[Burning Water]

8. That 0.05%

have done a lot of harm, though, haven't they?

No one has suggested that all, most, or even a large minority of Muslims are terrorists or whatever. There are some, though, and they are significant. The question is "why?". Perhaps they actually do believe that Islam should rule the world, and in their own way are trying to advance this idea.

By the way, "Bullshit" is a very convincing argument.

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. When rational argument is ignored,

'bullshit' becomes the defacto proper response.

17 year old teen-gang rapists are not doing what they do because they are out to spread the word of Islam. They are doing it because they are 17 year old teen-gang rapists. They are no different than the product of any slum of any big city in the world. They do it because they are criminals, not because of religious ideology. I have no doubt there are anglo youth gangs in Australia, and French youth gangs in France doing the same shit. And getting caught and imprisoned for it.

There is no Islamic conspiracy to rape european women any more than there is a grand Islamic conspiracy to forcibly convert Europe and the Americas to Islam. Only the nutcases, on either side, make any such claim.

[Marie26]

6. Do you have any copies

of those reputable news articles for us to see?

[Burning Water]

9. Google is your friend.

Do your own research.

[Marie26]

10. Uh-huh. n/t

[Bridget Burke]

7. Just because text is italicized, it must be true?

Can you offer us any FACTS?

[Burning Water]

11. Sure

The rapes took place. The reasons were as stated.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/13/1026185124700.html



http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/1202/crime/bellil.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/30/wdarf30.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/30/ixworld.html


http://jimball.com.au/features/Political%20%20uproar%20over%20mufti's%20rmearks%20-The%20Copenhagen%20Post.htm

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. Let's see.

There's an article from Australia, from 4 years ago.
An article from France, from 4 years ago.
An article from the civil war in Sudan, from 2 years ago.
And a bad link.

Yep. This is a crisis of unimaginable proportions.

Two cases of impovershed youth-gang violence, and one case of civil war.

That does not quite signify a world-wide epidemic. It's more like, isolated pockets of violence and terror. The cases is France and Australia are being dealt with by their own societies. Sudan is still in the grip of civil war. You are conflating islolated, distinctly different situations for reasons that are best known only to you.

Please save your hysteria for something real.

[Burning Water]

35. I'm never hysterical n/t

[genie_weenie]

15. Crap! Someone put their text in Italics?

Well, there goes my whole argument!

[rman]

18. The worst terrorists are in the WH - so much for correlation.

There seems to be correlation however between wealth, power, and desire for war (to be fought by someone else).

[Burning Water]

21. I would say the

correlation is between ideology and actions. The very worst terrorists in the world (the Communists) had one, the radical Muslims have one, and, surprise, the neo-cons have one.

[rman]

30. Which has more power - radical muslims or neocons?

When two criminal gangs fight it out, the stronger one wins. The neocons (RW-hardliners) have already defeated the "communists". When the fight is over we're left with the worst of the two.

[Burning Water]

31. Evil does not

depend on power. The radical Muslims have enough. I'm not disputing anything you care to say about the neo-cons, bad cess to them. But the United States, and the world, can have more t han one serious problem at a time. Trying to rein in the imperial President does not mean we can't take a few shots at the radical Muslims, too.

[rman]

37. Acting evil depends on power, i'd say.

The more weapons you have the more damage you can do. All it takes to actually do it is circumstances, and being evil.

Shooting at radical muslims, isn't that a bit pre-emptive? Not all radical muslims are terrorists, you know.
Radical muslims as such are no more worth shooting at (literally or metaphorically) then RW reli-fundies.
Getting at them simply because they might do something is such a neocon thing to do.

If we get rid of imperialism we'll have solved most of the terrorist problem.

[NaturalHigh]

19. I haven't heard of this before now.

[bloom]

34. I had only seen it on Islamaphobia type blogs

from northern Europe that I read while looking into the Cartoon controversy.

Not a reliable source.