If the Constitutional remedy fails us, as it may...

[Career Prole]

The founding fathers ensured in the U.S. Constitution that we had a remedy should our government ever forsake its democratic roots and turn on the people who empower it.

Article II, Section 4 states that "the President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

I don't believe history has ever been witness to greater threats to our democracy than those we are experiencing right now under the bush administration, and true to their freedom-loving form the American people are responding. Even as bush's popularity plummets, support for his impeachment rises and is now over 50% in some polls, yet our own elected representatives who are in control of the Constitutional remedy are dismissive of our feelings when the subject is broached.

Should the ballot black box fail us this November seemingly putting the constitutional remedy out of reach, remember that those same founding fathers who gave us impeachment as the penultimate remedy also provided us with the ultimate remedy for a government gone bad in the words of the Declaration of Independence:

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Should it come to that, I trust we’ll all have the courage of those who came before us.

[fooj]

1. Count me in! Great post!

Peace.

[Career Prole]

4. Peace.

I'd sure prefer it that way. I'm gettin' too old for this crap coming up every couple o' centuries!
;)

[bryant69]

2. I am not eager to see this come upon us

It is a possible solution - but let us not mince words. Such a course would lead to the deaths of thousands of us and of our fellow citizens.

I do not think events will warrent that however.

Bryant
Check it out -> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Career Prole]

3. "God willin'!", as my mother used to say. n/t

[bryant69]

5. God willing what?

We have a chance to play out our revolutionary fantasies?

Or the country holds together, Bush is repudiated and we get Democrats in office?

Bryant

[Career Prole]

14. "I do not think events will warrent that however."

God willin' that. :)

[Career Prole]

21. Let me give a better answer to that.

I'm hoping for, and counting on it all holding together though she's straining mightily at the seams.

[tom_paine]

32. No sane person wishes for this

But I disagree. Things are so far gone already, with no legal reason we couldn't become full-blown Nazi Germany or Soviet Union after the next "terrorist attack" (I think we all need to begin practicing saying, "No one could have foreseen how that (insert Nuclear, Biological or Chemical Weapon Here) could have gotten into our country through our ports."

The laws are virtually already in place, all that is required is, shall we say, a more stringent application of those now-existing laws and we shall be Nazis/Soviets.

The details, of course, will be different...a bit.

80% chance now, if not higher, of either Civil War or Totalitarian Slavery.

I only hope to be dead before it happens. However, the intensity for which the Busheviks so badly needed this Dubai Ports Deal, and the fact that they are going to get it (with a Halliburton Smiley Face Mask atop the UAE owners, one and the same), as usual, with the simplest of ruses, the Front Company, indicates to me that the next 9-11 is coming no later than Sept. 11th, 2009.

I hope I am wrong.

But practice saying "No one could have foreseen how that (insert Nuclear, Biological or Chemical Weapon Here) could have gotten into our country through our ports," to beat the Xmas rush.

[MnFats]

6. as an aside....that is such beautiful writing! It's literature!

those guys really knew how to write.

Schools ought to do more today with the use of the language...

[Career Prole]

17. They could sure turn a phrase, couldn't they?

:patriot:

[lonestarnot]

7. You can trust that I HAVE IT!

[revree]

8. I DO NOT CONSENT

Our new bumpersticker, motto, t-shirt, decal etc...

I DO NOT CONSENT.

[Career Prole]

18. I love it! But will the repukes get the meaning?

The only parts of our nation's "birth documents" they've committed to memory are the phrase "We the people" and the 2nd amendment to the Constitution (in its entirety).
They'll no doubt think "I DO NOT CONSENT" means the driver "doesn't put out".

[Tigress DEM]

27. How 'bout... "Tired of being screwed by the Govt? Don't Consent to It!"

"Be a Patriot. IMPEACH Bush!"

"THIS IS MY Country! I'm taking it back."

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. Funny you should say this.

At a luncheon yesterday I was talking to another women about the lack of checks and balances in our current government, the control of the corporate media, the consolidation of wealth, the election irregularities, etc....I said, "How in the world do we stop this and put our country back on the right track." Her answer astonished me. She said very matter-of-factly (and not derisively at all!), "Oh that's easy. I can tell you how it can be done in one word....revolution."

Odd word to come out of the mouth of a woman sitting there in a black pin-stripe suit.

[Career Prole]

16. A black pin-stripe suit!

Used to be denim and flannel were the duds of choice of the revolutionaries.
When it gets to the pin-stripes... :woohoo:

[Tigress DEM]

28. Loving your country isn't only a DEM thing....

And some DEMS did all right for themselves - which is probably why the repukes were so anxious to screw it up for everyone but themselves.

[Hapameli]

10. The Patrick Henry Remedy

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

-Patrick Henry

[mother earth]

11. You are never too old, count this old lady in! God bless

Patrick Henry! :yourock: :patriot:

[northofdenali]

12. Got your back.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.” - JFK

[Career Prole]

19. Good, because I was counting on you!

:thumbsup:

[Minnesota Libra]

13. I'll be there nt

[ooglymoogly]

15. yes sadly i will be there as we all must

kick n nom

[bubba j]

20. Are you ready to kill your fellow citizens?

or do you think the revolution will be bloodless?

I don't ask this to be a smart ass, I sincerely mean it - can you pick up a weapon and kill someone, be it a stranger, a co worker, a friend, a neighbor,or a family member, to advance this revolution?

I think many people can support the idea in a vacuum, but when it comes time to do the business of war, thats another thing entirely.

bubba j

[Career Prole]

22. Quite frankly, I feel we'll be the targets.

Not the other way around.
And am I willing to die? Yes.

Welcome to DU, by the way! :hi:

[bubba j]

23. Wow... sobering thought.

I'd like to believe that we have more commonalities as Americans than differences, but alas, I too wonder where the hell the world is going these days.

Short of someone physically threatening my children or spouse, I don't think I could kill another human being, regardless of what ideological differnces we have.

Certainly something to ponder......

bubba j

[Career Prole]

24. We do have more in common. Most of the differences

can be worked out, but that's bad for business in talk radio so Limbaugh and the rest do their lying best to keep the anger level up about flag-burning nonsense...and meanwhile bush and the boys have captured three branches of the government. :shrug:

[Tigress DEM]

30. Another reason not to rush...

Wounds from the last Civil War haven't healed and never will.

With the way the current administration is taking things, it will be your children or mine who freeze or starve to death because only the rich will be able to afford to heat their homes and buy food. By the time anything gets to the stage of physical revolution, you will have plenty of reason to join in. No one really wants to go there if we don't have to.

It is hopefully something that will never happen. I say double our efforts to make it NOT happen. But these heartless bastards care about no one. They have to be stopped somehow. Cheney shot the husband of one of his big supporters in the face and made that man leave the hospital early AND apologize. THAT is how they treat their friends.

They let 1000's of people die in NoLa and their biggest concern, covering it up. Turning away half a flotilla of concerned citizens at the time when they could have saved lives and now rescue dogs that could find bodies so people can find closure.

[Tigress DEM]

29. Constitutional Convention first.

Walk up in such numbers that we can take over w/o having to "kill" civilians.

Maintain high level people in secure positions so we can reduce any need for violence.

I think before we go off half cocked and deciding who we should shoot, we have to decide what we need to accomplish and how we can do it peacefully with maybe militia support to watch our own backs.

Today if some crazy ass attacked me on the street, I would have the right, the ability and authority to defend myself. I think careful planning ahead is required before any revolution unfolds though because otherwise it's just chaos.

Revolution isn't war, exactly. Revolution is ousting a corrupt government and restoring order. We want our country back in as close to one piece as we can get it. WE aren't the ones who started this mess. Those who lied and cheated to get into office are. WE need to remember WE are not THEM and must keep a high sense of honor throughout - NOT just the "appearence" of honor, but TRUE Honor where we value all lives and unlike these corrupt assholes, respect the spirit of the Geneva conventions - even if technically an internal revolution is different than war.

[Tigress DEM]

25. Constitutional Convention - Part Deux (locked and loaded)

Prosecution of War Criminals and Treasonous Individuals who sold our country to highest bidder.

Campaign Finance Reform
- TV Stations go back to the people (the airways were supposedly ONLY on loan)
- Candidates get X amount of TV time and must present on the ISSUES
- If they want extra face time, they stump it.
- NO money from Lobbyists to elected officials via ANY means ie PAC etc...

True Vote Reform
- No more "electoral" colleges
- Weight the state, if needed, but count all the votes.
- Paper trail
- Voter verification by common citizens - like jury duty

Regulation of Poisons, Pollutions, Safety to be treated as HIGH priority and NEVER should the industry involved in the issue decide how they are regulated in secret meetings with high level officials.

Regulation of vital utilities and infrastucture industries also HIGH priority and NEVER should the businesses being regulated be allowed to make their own rules, buy policy breaks at the public's expense. Certainly, they can make proposals, but people outside the influence of profit/loss statements need to make the decisions.

Checks and balances restored. Bill of Rights reaffirmed. Pork removed.

Criminals who have aided and abetted the theft of our country prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Haliburton executives first and foremost.

Absurd appointments recinded. People not qualified for the job removed from office and replaced by people whose resume is not a pack of lies and have actual experience that would qualify them to take on National Level positions and have a chance of performing competently.

[Career Prole]

26. Now *that's* what I'd call getting it fixed!

An excellent shopping list!
Anything short of that, now, and I'd feel cheated.

[Tigress DEM]

31. Even the convention has it's inheirant dangers.

There would have to be real clarity about what is being kept in place - right off the bat so we don't loose anything that must remain.

[TheModernTerrorist]

33. and we'll be sent

to the new Gulags being installed near the Mexico border...
...or "disappeared" to some other country...

[TheModernTerrorist]

34. despite that...

I'd still be there, fighting the good fight. :-)