Rethug family values: Church-burner's dad an elected Republican

[Rowdyboy]

law enforcement official, apparently.

According to today's Decatur Alabama "Daily", Benjamin Moseley's father ran for office in Jefferson County Alabama in 2004....

"A lawyer for DeBusk did not immediately return a message seeking comment, and court files did not list an attorney for Moseley, whose father ran unopposed for a constable's position in Jefferson County in 2004."

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060309/arson.shtml

A google search turned up a list of Jefferson County Republican candidates for 2004 turns up a Stephen Moseley as one of their constable candidates....(look on the left side under Jefferson County Qualified Candidates-the third candidate listed is Stephen A Moseley)

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:G8webXcNV6EJ:www.campaignsecrets.com/algopvt/templates/displayfiles/..%255C..%255Cuser%255Cgrahamwrightbellsouthnet%255Cdownload%255CJefferson%2520Newsletter%2520(May).pdf++jefferson+county+alabama+constables+2004+ballot+moseley&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

So there we have a great example of Republican family values at work-an upperclass, conservative family who's son gets his jollies from burning poor, rural churches. including several that were historic buildings.....

Why am I not surprised?

[stepnw1f]

1. What About the Other Two? (nt)

[Rowdyboy]

No idea....only had one tidbit of infofrom the paper to go on.....n/t

[stepnw1f]

14. Cool... I'm Gonna Have to Check it Out

[caligirl]

2. Gee, I could post that republican sex crimes list, should I?

[Rowdyboy]

4. Why not?

If it adds to general knowledge and educstion.

[caligirl]

12. posted below a link.

[Rowdyboy]

20. Thanks....Its like building a case in court....

Corruption, bribery, intolerance, theft, and now add church-burning and pedophilia to the list. The contemporary Republican party is a class act :sarcasm:

[kenny blankenship]

10. Not a bad idea

Pyromaniacs usually have some kind of sexual response to fire don't they?

[realisticphish]

32. it's not really sexual

its a sense of power, not sexual release (similar to what happens in many rape cases)

edit: at least this is what I have read, I'm no expert

[Mikimouse]

3. Oh, Lighten up! It was a PRANK! Nothing...

to see here.:eyes: I couldn't believe my ears this morning when Solefunctioningbraincell O'Brien was going on and on about it being a prank that went awry. Oh really? Had it been found that the perpetrators were minority and poor, people would be calling for their execution. What a country!

[lostnfound]

18. Had he been found to be an environmentalist, they'd be called a terrorist.

and facing jail for 20 years.
Like Daniel McGowan.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/15/155230&mode=thread&tid=25

[Rowdyboy]

21. I I believe someone who blew up 3 SUVs was charged as a terorist

and given 22 years. These guys deserve 30-40 years.

[lostnfound]

26. Not sure if you mean Josh Cannole? but he was wrongly jailed...

also from democracynow: "..the FBI agreed to pay an environmental activist named Josh Cannole $100,000 for mistakenly jailing him as a suspect in a string of arsons and vandalism at SUV dealerships in California."

[Rowdyboy]

27. I'm really not certain....I just remember a passing reference to a guy

who was charged with terrorism for torching 3 SUVs and got 22 years. I was in a hurry and can't document it, but the suggestion that these young assholes could be charged as terrorists intrigued me.

[lostnfound]

28. Found it, and your memory is darn good.

Jeffrey Michael Luers
Sentencing - June 11, 2001
Lane County, Eugene OR
22.5 years

[Mikimouse]

36. You are absolutely correct...but remember this...

they are not environmentalists anymore. They are environmental 'Whackos'. I am so sick of all this BS.:eyes:

[XOKCowboy]

30. I was gonna post the same thing. I mean, remember when you ..

were young, had a few beers, had some time on your hands on a slow Saturday night and went out and torched a church or two? We all did it didn't we? Remember how much fun that was?

Oh wait. You mean your parents taught you enough REAL values that you wouldn't have even thought about burning down a building, much less a 4 churches? Exactly. To call these punks anything but criminals is ludicrous. Now if they HAD come from disadvantaged backgrounds then I'd be more amenable about cutting them a little slack (the good liberal that I am) but these guys KNEW BETTER.

What I find ironic is that in the little town I grew up in, most kids parents were strict Southern Baptists. You'd think that'd mean that their kids would be straight-laced little Christians. Well guess what. On our Senior Trip it was the Baptist kids (who originally wanted to go to Padre Island but we voted them down in favor of New Orleans) who courted alcohol poisoning and had to be drug off of Bourbon Street half-conscious. Get the radical religous away from their parents and they go nuts and don't know how to handle it. Something tells me there was a lot of alcohol involved in this "prank".

[Mikimouse]

37. Bingo...I, too, grew up in a small southern town...

mostly Baptist, and the behavior of the children was exactly as you describe. Later in life, I learned that rates of alcohol abuse are higher in people who grew up in a very strict religious family. Surprising? Not at all. I am sick and tired of these types fo things being described as pranks. If these are pranks, then, I suggest that people who are caught with an oz. of grass are only doing it as a prank and should not be prosecuted (I believe that anyway). You are also correct in stating that it would never have occured to anyone in my social network to do anything like this as a prank. Not to say that there weren't some who were very racist (still are), and would have loved to do something to injure the local black community. Very sad for this nation.

[rocktivity]

48. They're calling it a "prank" because it sounds better than "hate crime"

Which carries an additional penalty, unless I'm mistaken.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Mikimouse]

62. They should be subject to the hate crime laws...

How else could one characterize the burning of ANY structures that are affiliated with specific religions, cultures, sexes, or races. The term prnak has been so abused and overused in the past few years that it makes me ill. By the way, thanks for the response-I am honored!

[entanglement]

68. You're so right, rocknation

They should be charged with a hate crime

:yourock:

[malaise]

34. The not so funny part of this

wsa listening to the media whores going on and on about a silly prank by these nice young men with promising futures. Daily we face a complete inversion of reality.

[Mikimouse]

38. I would place my bet right now...

that the university will absorb the costs for revuilding the burned chirches and these 'promising young pranksters' (cue the cutesy music at this point), will be slapped on the wrist and sent on their way with a 'stern warning' (and a wink).

[malaise]

40. Well the university has already offered

to rebuild the churches. That was no prank. These are evil young men- fugging sickos.

[Mikimouse]

41. Yes, I saw that, but doesn't it seem strange that they would do that?

The university is not rsponsible for the actions of its students off campus. So, the question is this; What is going on behind the scenes? Are tehre offers being made to the university to avoid charges being filed against the 'pranksters'? One has to wonder.

[malaise]

42. Very strange indeed n/t

[raccoon]

58. This is fricking incredible!!!! Something HAS to be going on

behind the scenes.

[Mikimouse]

60. You'll get no argument from me on that...I would love to be a fly...

on the wall for those negotiations. As I understand it from parts of the trhead further downfield, one of the parents is a republican office holder (elected, not appointed), so I guess anything is possible. Should be a major investigation and follow-up to look for a money trail.

[Sparkman]

51. How do the U.S. gulags RECRUIT their torturers, again? Offer reprieves?

[raccoon]

56. Maybe one of them will be President one day. nt

[Mikimouse]

61. Yep, he'll be 'born again' and we will be expected to...

forget the deeds of his 'frivolous youth'. Bah!

[Zookeeper]

72. Was it a prank...

Or was it NINE pranks?

[Mikimouse]

74. Actually, ten, if memory serves...n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Ugh

I hope his ass goes to jail. He could've hurt someone for all he knew.

[Warpy]

6. You mean that a kid raised with right wing oppression would rebel?

Hell, why do you think the 60s happened the way they did?

We OLD boomers grew up with grey conformity and denial of anything outside the Father Knows Best mode. Too many things were never talked about, too little opportunities were open to most of us, punishments vastly outweighed our minor crimes of mild disobedience.

I remember the 50s as being shades of grey, even though I can remember my mother's flowered housedresses. When the mid 60s came around and we got out of high school and away from our parents, the whole world burst into bright color. Only part of that was due to the drugs we turned to.

I figure it's the same for kids being brought up in these GOP fundy households. Unfortunately, what they've turned to is sort of a bastardized Satanism, a violent nihilism rejecting all spiritualism since the only spiritual system they've been shown is one poisoned by hate.

I don't despair of these kids. Most won't burn churches and most will grow up a little more and become just as boringly respectable as we did.

I just know exactly where they're coming from.

[NJCher]

50. makes a lot of sense

...something to mull over today:

what they've turned to is sort of a bastardized Satanism, a violent nihilism rejecting all spiritualism since the only spiritual system they've been shown is one poisoned by hate.




Cher

[Swamp Rat]

7. Those Christian-hating church-burners are doing the terrorist's work

for them. I wonder if they'll be stoned to death for their heinous, ungodly crimes?

[yardwork]

44. No, we'll be stoned to death!

We'll be stoned to death for being :hippie: "un-American socialist atheist anti-capitalist blah blah blah" while the perpetrators of actual crimes like these get a slap on the wrist.

Dontcha get it?

And it's good to see you, swamprat! :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

45. Way'at yardwork!!

:hi: Long time no see! :D

[caligirl]

8. Repub Pedophiles and other Republican criminals list. Link here:

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

[IChing]

9. THE SON SAID THIS ON A WEBSITE ON HIS PARENTS

"to my dearest friend Moseley:
The nights have grown long and the interstates of Alabama drunk driverless, the state troopers bored, the county sheriffs less weary, and the deer of Bibb County fearless. 2006 is here, it is time to reconvene the season of evil! Only one problem stands in our way. I got a new cellphone for Xmas and I no longer have your number, so send it to me and evil shall once again come to pass!

May our girlfriends be concerned about our safety, may our parents be clueless, may our beers be frosty, may our love lives be fruitful, may our weed be green as the freshly mown grass!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x616812

Sounds like a republican or a terrorist to me.

[Rocknrule]

11. "The KKK's cross burnings were only pranks!"

...if Fox News existed in the 60s

[bobthedrummer]

13. Maybe the family is related to George Van Horn Moseley

and, for those of us that know our fascists, don't forget that the KKK and the nazis are of the same family tree.

Pagan rites and the worsip of "evil" are also part of the fascist ideology.

[druidity33]

43. please...

Can you just leave it at "worship of evil" and not involve pagans? Most "pagans" worship earth-based/peace-loving deities... equating us to "fascism" and "evil" is hurtful. Sure the Nazi's, KKK, and other "evil" people have had an interest in the arcane... but mostly in an attempt to usurp another type of power. It's like considering B* a christian. It ain't really so...

peace and goodwill from a pagan...

[bobbieinok]

70. who is/was????

[LincolnMcGrath]

15. Happy to give this a fifth

[Rowdyboy]

23. Thanks! Its really nice to get something on The Geatest Page.....

[AmandaRuth]

16. Well well well

it will be interesting to see how this plays out. You can bet that had his pappa been blue, it would stated in bold, underlined and highlighted in yellow. I wonder how many MSM outlets will let this factoid come to light. Can you say zero?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. B-b-but I thought it was radical gay activists from the Castro! At least

that's what I heard on Hardball!

[ClayZ]

19. Who would have thought?

No one was buying their "little prank" story.

:argh: Do they think the whole country just fell off a turnip truck?

[Charlie Brown]

22. The worst thing about this

Being a Republican, the constable is sure to be re-elected again and again and again. Whereas, had he been a Democrat, there would be a zillion signed petitions and outcries from public officials for him to step-down and pay for the church reconstructions out of his own pocket.

This kind of hypocrisy is exactly what I detest about the "red states."

[IChing]

29. "Being a Republican, the constable is sure "??????

Well Truman said about Republicans

Is that they r liars.

sorry

missed the irony

[Lydia Leftcoast]

24. As a former college professor, I recognize the type of

student those three are: shallow, spoiled affluent kids with empty heads and empty hearts who are in college not because they have any intellectual curiosity or vocational goals, but because affluent 18-22-year-olds are "supposed" to be in college. Their whole attitude toward life can be summed up as "Whatever" and "Baw-ring."

[FlaGranny]

49. Hey, doesn't that describe - - - -

you know, Bush*?

[NJCher]

53. imagine

Imagine an entire university of them, one where I once taught but from which I ran screaming.

Here's what rich republicans do: they send their monstrosities off to "certain" private colleges and universities that charge about 34 grand a year for tuition. It's not the education that runs up the tuition tab--it's the handholding, counseling, detox, etc.

I used to teach at one of these places. Oh, and if they get any lower than a "B" for the illiterate scribblings they turn in as research papers, they take the prof up with the dean.




Cher

[sinkingfeeling]

64. LOL My sister used to be a counselor at one of those small private

schools. The stories she told! When she would start to tell me about one the little darlings' troubles, I'd advise throwing them out of school or just telling them to suck it up!

[NJCher]

73. they suck it up all right!

Straight out of gin bottle!

These places have the highest drug and drinking percentages of any of the schools. Oh and guess who has been buying them booze since they were teenagers? Mom 'n Dad!




Cher

[DanCa]

25. Bush's base must have gotten tired of burning down clinics. (nt)

[Raine]

31. I knew it

I would have bet money on at least one of them being from a repuke family cause of their 'sense of humor' for 'pranks'. :evilfrown:

[Skinner]

33. Good work.

:thumbsup:

[Rowdyboy]

47. Thanks man!

A new piece in todays Birmingham News gives more insight into these young fools-worth a quick scan....

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114189967337050.xml&coll=2

[NJCher]

54. yeah but those people must be poor judges of character

Because they're calling these kids "peacemakers," "wonderful drama student," "talented," etc. Meanwhile the kids are out in the woods "demon hunting" and playing the guitar while drinking in the woods.

Oh, and ahem, setting churches on fire.




Cher

[Tsiyu]

66. I know. I coudn't even read past the headline

now they're trying to "soften" up the little fuckers' image.

The point they're making: If you're rich, Caucasian and Republican, we'll humanize you even when you do the most heinous things to hurt others.

Fuck that story and fuck the University for helping these little cocksuckers and fuck the parents for raising such scum.

I'm just sick of the way Repukes destroy everything they touch and then tell the rest of us it's "no big deal."

I'd like to whip the living shit out of all those kids, personally.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

35. I guess there weren't any homeless people to beat or set fire to

in their part of the country. Or maybe they got tired of taping their gangbang rapes.

Poor naive ol' 50+ me continues to be drop-jawed by what privileged youth will do for shits and giggles.

[adigal]

39. OH, if he is a Republican, it's OK

that he burns churches.

Why don't you understand the way America works in the 21st century???

[sinkingfeeling]

46. Daddy's probably proud of sonny-boy. I mean don't Repubs all

believe that torture is just a 'fraternity prank'? So what's a little church arson, just a joke that got out of hand? My guess is these 3 will receive punishment on par with the generals running our USA torture chambers.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

55. no, Daddy's pissed...

the little shit let himself get caught.

[entanglement]

71. Exactly

n/t

[Sparkman]

52. How do U.S. gulags recruit their TORTURERS? Offer reprieves?

[Oilwellian]

57. Remember what Tweety said?

Matthews: "Maybe liberals and gays burned down churches in the south."

Video:http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/03.html#a7004

[blm]

67. Matthews apology coming right up........NOT!

.

[bullwinkle428]

59. "Prank", as in "Abu Ghraib was a fraternity prank!" (as heard on

the Rush Limbaugh show)

Remember that one, "Oxy-Moron"?

[catmandu57]

63. Acouple of days ago in Kansas City

Someone broke into a church to steal the copper pipes, they were very lucky, because they ripped out gas pipes with the gas turned on. They could have blown themselves and anyone in area skyhigh.
my point though, is when they catch the people who did this I bet they see more jailtime than these punks, and much faster.
The wheels of justice turn fast for the poor.

[morffin]

65. Thats strange

most republicans teach their kids to burn books...not churches.

[ContraBass Black]

69. *Snort* *Snicker*

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha--excuse me.

Didn't somebody say that it was probably liberal gays?

[KBlagburn]

75. Good to see my home town paper......

here on DU.