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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:49 PM
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My personal report on the "Standing up for SD Women" Rapid City rally
"The American Taliban in South Dakota", "Why Don't They Trust SD Women?" "If I Can't be Trusted with Choice, How Can I be Trusted with a Child?", "Every child a wanted child", "Come to South Dakota, Go Back in Time", and "South Dakota, Land of a Thousand Coathangers", signs mixed with chants of "We Won't Go Back", "Women's Rights Now", "Not the Church, Not the State, women must decide their fate" on a dry but chilly, windy South Dakota afternoon on the steps of the federal courthouse in Rapid City.

"Christians for Choice" signs were side-by-side with "I Talked to God and She's Pro-Choice" signs, which caused much laughter.

The anger was palpable, as was the determination of those present to stop this Taliban madness and safeguard hard-won rights and freedoms, and the turnout was large and vocal. Women and men, young and old and in-between, students, grandmothers carrying grandchildren, politicians, a very wide mix of individuals, all united in a common purpose and a common goal. And all absolutely shocked and infuriated at the gall of the legislature, the same legislature that can't be bothered to address the real needs and issues that affect the state's citizens.

Such as the high percentage of pregnant women murdered by their boyfriends or husbands. The refusal to even consider raising the minimum wage, as requested by the republican governor. The refusal to do anything about the high numbers of South Dakotans without health insurance and/or access to health care, INCLUDING babies and children. And the decades-long indifference of and callousness towards the tremendously disproportionately-high mortality numbers of Indian babies and children, despite endless efforts to get the legislature even slightly interested, as one Indian columnist angrily wrote last week.

The sheer gall of even refusing to include an exception for rape or incest was an especially sore sticking point with the crowd. Senator Bill Napoli's assertion that there were degrees of rape and that possible exceptions could only be made if the girl were a teenage virgin who was particularly brutalized brought forth the crowd's creativity with signs such as "Incest is Best, according to your legislature", "Rape Victims to be Traumatized Twice", "It's only rape if you're a virgin", and "You're Only Traumatized if you're Sodomized."

And the fact that the only exception allowed, in the case of a life-threatening medical emergency, is VERY restrictive, to the point where almost nothing would be considered a justifiable emergency, not even cancer or a heart attack, really angered people.

One of the main issues this "ban" has shed light on is the fact that the state was, quite literally, hijacked by outside interests. Several signs read "Do You Want Outside Interests Making Decisions on Inside Lives", and there were many other variations, and they really resonated with people, renewing our determination to fight such arrogant usurpation of democracy.

I made the comment to people I talked with that I'd gladly left Ohio last summer for a job in Rapid City, thinking I'd left the Taliban behind. Ohio is being run straight down into the ground, going to hell in a handbasket, with people, especially college graduates and the best and the brightest, leaving the state in droves, and all the legislature can be bothered with is banning gay marriage, gay adoption, strip clubs and abortions, and other such ridiculous foolishness that seemed to increase daily. Little did I know that I'd stepped right into the hornet's nest of yet another damned American Taliban. They all nodded knowingly, and several said that they were ashamed, that this isn't really the way their state is and that it's been hijacked.

The usual counter-demonstrators made their presence known, of course, and, because of where I had to park, I had to walk straight through them to get to the rally on the other side of the street. Huge, blown-up pictures of fat, smiling, happy babies, signs reading "Jesus will help you", "Catholics for Life", "Why isn't it called murder", etc., all being waved around. They were very nice while I was first walking through, probably assuming that I'd come to join them. But I stood at the curb waiting for the light to turn red, then calmly walked across the street to pick up a sign, get a sticker, and join the rally.

Things were considerably cooler, of course, when I had to walk back through them to return to my car at the end of the rally, but no one said anything and there were no problems. Glares and dirty looks, of course (hide the children, here comes one of those dirty hippie godless commie man-hating family-hating child-hating murderous liberals, I could almost hear them thinking, lol), but no other problems. And they did, of course, have just as much right to be there as we did.

One of the most moving moments was when republican state senator Stan Adelstein, an angry, vocal, fierce opponent of the legislation, spoke about his memories of growing up on the prairie and of what women had to deal with when it came to pregnancy, childbirth and raising children. It was not the sweetness and light and roses and puppies that those conservatives with rose-colored glasses loved to wax poetic about. And if they think a law will stop desperate women, then they know nothing at all of history. He also brought up the point that the Task Force appointed to study abortion had been terribly biased, made up mostly of well-known anti-abortion activists, and it had refused to allow many women with personal knowledge and experiences to speak and had cut off or hadn't listened to those they did so graciously allow to speak. And they did not even permit many medical personnel to speak, which had been especially galling to him.

When another of the march's organizers spoke, she made the very valid point that this fight was not just about abortion rights. It was about the whole gamut of women's rights and issues, from contraception (of which there are already murmers of restricting) to the lack of affordable child care, to the right to control our own lives and reproductive choices, rights for which women in this country did not even have until the last half of the past century. We did not even have the right to vote until 1920! We are not property, we are not chattel, we do not exist to serve men and do their bidding, and we never will again and we will not give up or give in, she shouted, to tremendous cheers and applause.

It was at this point, during the speeches, that the other side attempted to drown us out. The effect was quite the opposite, however, we just laughed and spoke and cheered and shouted louder and louder. Cars honked for both sides, singing and chants grew louder, and the police stood around and looked bored.

We then fanned out with our signs and stood at the curbs. People often honked and waved and gave the thumbs-up sign. Those who didn't just stared stonily ahead. Sometimes, people with pro-life signs would drive by, some in open cars, and then the fun really began. A car with some younger men came past holding a huge "SD is pro-life" sign. "Damnit, you're a man, what in the hell would you know?" the woman standing next to me at the curb shouted out, and everyone laughed, nodded, and clapped.

One time when the light turned red and cars were forced to stop right by us, a car with pro-life signs was sitting right in the curbside lane. A woman stepped forward with a sign that caused all kinds of flurry in the car, and we looked over to see what the sign said, then doubled over with laughter. In bright multi-colored letters over a white background, she'd made a sign reading "If the fetus is born GAY, would you still bother to fight for it?" The light turned green and the car sped forward, none too soon for its red-faced, angry occupants.

All too soon, it came to an end and we all had to hand in our signs and head back to work. But not before receiving word of the next planned actions and making plans to attend. The Planned Parenthood spokeswoman said that their membership, and calls about membership, had increased dramatically in just the last couple of weeks. This has really galvanized everyone, and we are NOT going to go back!

And as I stood at the curb, I suddenly realized with a jolt what day this was. It was nearly twenty years to the day that I'd stood on the mall in Washington, D.C., participating in the huge March for Women's Lives rally with my college group. And I thought of the woman I'd met there who'd been holding a huge sign, white with red scraggly letters spelling out "My mom had an illegal abortion. I don't miss the baby. I miss my mom." She'd said that she was younger when it happened and that her desperate mother just could not face another pregnancy, not with a husband who didn't even want the children they had let alone another one, but who refused to use any birth control, what little was available at the time. She'd never gotten over her anger at people who'd considered a two-month-old fetus to be more important than her mother and who'd left her motherless. And she was especially angry at the fact that most people didn't even ask about her mother, they'd always ask things like "so, don't you miss having another brother or sister?" As if her mother didn't even exist outside of her baby-making purpose.

And I thought of the women my grandmother had told me about, friends and acquaintances of hers who'd been desperate and who'd suffered horribly, one even losing her life. Decades later and the anger was still palpable in her voice and manner. And the men involved, of course, got away scot-free. Yes, indeed, she'd say, women are sluts, while men are studs. There isn't even a word in English for men who sleep around, but plenty of them for women. Slut, tramp, whore, harlot, etc., etc.

And I thought of the women, young college students, my college sociology professor, a woman in her sixties at that time (in the 80's) told me about, young, healthy women with their whole lives ahead of them. Women who died or suffered horribly because they'd been desperate. And why were they desperate, she asked. They were desperate because society so badly stigmatized them, because they wouldn't have been able to find jobs or would have likely been fired from the ones they had, because the boyfriends/fiances didn't want to deal with it and didn't have to deal with it, etc., etc. She'd never forget one student, who came into her office when she was working at night, bent over, white-faced, bleeding and begging for help. The professor rushed her to the hospital, but it was too late. She died a couple of hours later. She'd been bleeding in her dorm room for a few hours, too afraid to say or do anything. Especially because the OH laws were so stringent and the punishment she'd face would not have been pleasant. I've never forgotten the look on her face as she talked about it, over twenty years later.

And I thought of the friends my own parents told me about, one who had to have an affair with a doctor in order to get an abortion and one who nearly died but who'd been desperate enough to take that chance.

And I thought of the woman I'd recently read about, a single woman in Cape Coral, FL, in 1965, who'd been pregnant and who'd made an appointment with the local "butcher" (who wasn't even a doctor and had no medical training or knowledge, and who was a Hungarian immigrant), and withdrawn $300 from her bank the day before her disappearance because, as her sister said, she would have been fired and faced stigmatization, been ostracized, etc., even if she'd chosen adoption. You just did not want to be a single woman who was pregnant. And her boyfriend was nowhere around. She then disappeared for twenty-five years. It was finally discovered that she'd died of complications from the "butcher's" abortion, and in panic he and a staff member had wrapped up her body and dumped it in the Biscayne Bay. She was a lovely, vibrant young woman, too. Think of the panic and fear she must have felt and the desperation she must have felt to have taken a chance like that. And multiply that by the thousands.

And I thought of what many of the older women at the rally had said, that they well remembered how bad it was for women pre-Roe, that they all knew women who'd suffered or died, and that they absolutely will not allow us to go back to that. No one likes abortion, no one wants abortions to happen, no one, not even the staunchest pro-choice person, sits around thinking with joy of abortions happening. But women still bear the brunt of the consequences of pregnancies, the major share of the blame, guilt and responsiblity (how well I remember that from my own unplanned pregnancy experience!), and too many men are still attempting to make decisions for us. The choice must be made available, in a safe, legal environment. Desperate women who will have abortions no matter what the law says do not deserve to die or be maimed because of it. Their lives are important, too.

And I thought of all the desperate women to come if these American woman-hating Taliban have their way. And that is why we are fighting, why we must continue to fight, endlessly if we have to. We do it for the women of the past, who did not have the choices we have now and that we're in danger of losing, and those of the future. We owe them nothing less.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:52 PM
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1. The answer to going back to coathangers for women
is meat cleavers for antichoice men.

After all, they do want to prevent the need for abortion, don't they?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:57 PM
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4. A kindred spirit!
Lysistrata? NO! Lorena!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:17 PM
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13. LOL!
Sex strike! Sex strike!

Among many interesting suggestions on the comment boards at Alternet was one that all women in the country simply refuse to have sex. Since abortion and birth control are both under attack, and women are the ones who suffer from that and not men, sex is more dangerous for them, therefore they ought to have a sex strike.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:12 PM
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29. This wouldn't make any sense.
First off there are a lot of women who are for this abortion ban, why would they protest? Secondly, If you are a pro-choice woman, most likely your man is too, why would you punish him and yourself because of the fundie assholes?

The only way this makes any sense is if you have an anti-choice man and you are pro-choice. My wife withholding sex from me over this would be idiotic.



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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:07 AM
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38. We need warriors not cheerleaders right now
Lysistrata makes GREAT sense as a motivational tool to the half of the human race who want to cheerlead instead of actually helping us secure our rights themselves.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:45 AM
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39. It might work if ALL women were on the same side but they're not.
In Ancient Greece ninety-nine percent of the men were for war and all that bullshit so it made sense. In this case, the women who support anti-choice laws will still be fucking the guys who least deserve it and all of us who are on the side of right get shut out. The Lysistrata scenerio doesn't fit here. All it does is piss off the dudes that are on your side for no reason.

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:14 AM
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50. I understand that, the post
was really meant as more of a joke. I should have been clearer on that.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:01 PM
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8. I prefer the rusty lid of a tuna can to a meat cleaver
After all, if we have to compromise and use a tool that was never meant to do what we need it to do, why shouldn't the same be done to them?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:05 PM
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10. !
:applause:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:14 PM
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59. That's the least we can do for them...n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:55 PM
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2. Sounds like an incredibly uplifting day!!!!
Thank you!!! For your actions and your story
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:56 PM
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3. Wow
I'm glad people in SD are standing up and making their displeasure with this atrocity known. I hope you are able to vote every one of those who voted for this criminal piece of legislation out of office.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:13 PM
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12. Yes, that point was brought up at the rally,
and they were passing out sheets that listed who voted for and against it; one of the main goals is to work to defeat all those who voted against it. I've been very pleasantly surprised at the strong reaction against this, even among repubs.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:59 PM
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5. Excellent--good work--there was also a rally in Providence RI today--
outside of Planned Parenthood--they put it together as a solidarity thing--"We stand with the women of South Dakota"--very awesome. It made the evening news.

Of course, there was a clip of this ignorant woman who said, "Roe. v Wade makes it legal for a woman to demand an abortion for any reason any time during the 9 months of her pregnancy," which is, of course, blatantly false. It made me ridiculously angry that the network would show something like that on tv--people will hear that and BELIEVE it because they heard it on television...
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:18 PM
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14. She's just repeating the bullshit
she's been fed by the American Taliban. We just have to keep counteracting that whenever we encounter it.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:01 PM
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35. Precisely! n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:59 PM
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6. thanks for this very moving report
on your action today and thanks for your thoughts
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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:59 PM
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7. What an awesome post...I sent $$$ to Planned Parenthood today..
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:02 PM
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9. wow! Thanks for the inspiring report! K&R....
:yourock:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:19 PM
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15. Thanks, Mike!
Glad you enjoyed hearing it on my message, too!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:09 PM
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11. Great post! Thank you for representing!
:yourock:
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:23 PM
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16. I really enjoyed reading this report. . .
people all around the country are thinking of South Dakota. Tell me. . .do you know how large the rally was? And I do hope yours was much louder, much larger and much more vocal than the Taliban.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:33 PM
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19. Yes, it was certainly larger than
the counter-demonstration. And I was genuinely, but very pleasantly, surprised to see how large the turnout was, especially with such short notice and it being on a weekday afternoon. And I was especially glad to see the large number of men present, as well, men of all ages and types.

Don't get me wrong, the other side had as much right to be there as we did and it wasn't upsetting to see them there. I'm just glad our turnout was larger and louder! :evilgrin:
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:41 PM
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21. I'm so glad!!!
I'm hoping the actions of your legislature will have shocked enough people that some things are going to change drastically in state government there by fall. . .

By the way. . .I sent this LTTE to the Rapid City Journal this morning - they called this afternoon to verify information and told me it would likely be published within the next week (not sure whether in print or just in online). . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=615380&mesg_id=615380
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:50 PM
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23. Great letter!
And there have been far more angry letters against this bill than for it in the RC Journal, which has been a very pleasant surprise. I imagine that's even more the case in the Sioux Falls paper, since that area is the most liberal part of the state.

I think those who voted in favor of this will be getting a nice nasty "surprise" this fall, especially since they wasted so much time on "morality nanny" issues while ignoring the real needs and issues of the state. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:25 PM
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17. WOW!!! Excellent post!! K&R... n/t
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:33 PM
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18. The movement has to be radicalized again....and this is a good start, SD!!
We got word that the head of NARAL will be here in May...I intend to write up a few choice ideas and present them. NARAL has to get off its butt.

I want to see a NATIONAL CLEARINGHOUSE for abortion info...where to go, making appts., how to get there, and our donated money to aid those without $$ and for transporting those who need traveling assistance as well as the cost of a procedure.

It's time to TAKE CONTROL!!

Are you with me??
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:37 PM
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20. I think it is being radicalized,
and it's really becoming energized. Strange as it may be for me to say this, I'm beginning to think that this law may actually be a good thing. It's really woken a lot of people up, even people who are not really politically active and who are moderates. It's just the kick in the pants the movement needed, and I'm hearing a lot of anger and what-can-we-do-about-this even from people I'd least suspect hearing it from. It woke people up to the very real threat and that it can really happen, whereas it's just been threatened to happen all these years.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:48 PM
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22. I guess you could call this a case of "be careful watch you wish for"!
The South Dakota legislature does not realize how they have mobilized the pro-choice movement. It's just a shame that the South Dakota women have to suffer through it.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:51 PM
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24. Very true!
They have no idea the sleeping giant they just awakened. Like I said above, it really might not turn out to be a bad thing in the long run, since the movement needed a kick in the pants to get awake and energized.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:00 PM
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26. You just may be right about the shock value--like a bucket of icy water...
...on all those who said it couldn't possibly happen here.

Thank you for your wonderful post. I am SO PROUD of our sisters in South Dakota.
:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

Hekate

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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:44 AM
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56. That's my hope too!
Maybe there's a silver lining to all this -- both in SD and nationwide.

:kick:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:57 PM
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25. Woah. Unbelieveable stories. Is this a stupid thought?
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 09:59 PM by Gregorian
I was reading this post and just thought of something. It may be an old idea, it may be offensive in some way. But I want to say that it seems if there were a higher standard of living, and health care, then there would be fewer abortions.

So why don't we address those issues, and solve the problem that way. I'm still for choice, but the clowns that want to fight, ought to be able to come to a comprimise on those issues just because of the number of fewer abortions that would occur.

God I'm so sick of these pieces of human filth, trying to control other people's lives...


Edit- And by the way, I have my own story- I met a girl once who needed an abortion from her last boyfriend. I remember going to the clinic with her and being in the waiting room with all of the other women. My memory fades from there. But I have some experience to speak from. I'm not all hot air.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:34 AM
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55. That's a great point and it's certainly true,
not that the SD legislature is remotely interested in doing anything about those issues. And reducing the number of abortions is certainly a laudable goal that we should all work towards. The problem is that there will always be desperate women who will do desperate things no matter what the law says, and they don't deserve to die because of it.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:03 PM
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27. The best post I've read in a long time. Great job, liberalhistorian!
Some random thoughts I had when reading your post:

-Recognition that there are plenty of sane people in South Dakota (yes, I've been there)

-Bigots are more or less the same everywhere

-Humor works; those were some great signs

-Affirmation of the old canard that "all politics are local"

-Right-wing Republicans are the same everywhere

-A small group of people can make a big difference

-Never Give Up! :)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:04 PM
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28. Your account is riveting-thanks so much! nt
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:14 PM
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30. Thank you, liberalhistorian.
For being there and for your truly excellent report of the event.

The Rapid City Journal has an initial report up:


Two groups galvanizing around the abortion issue gathered on the corner of 9th and St. Joseph streets for a noontime rally Thursday in Rapid City. The pro-life goup gathered on the east side while the pro-choice group gathered on the west side of the street. Both groups drew the attention of motorists. The protest, organized by Planned Parenthood, was among more than two dozen scheduled around the country. (Don Polovich/Journal staff)

NEW: Abortion protest lively
By Kevin Woster, Journal Staff Writer

RAPID CITY -- Opponents of South Dakota’s near-total ban on abortion began what is likely to be a political season filled with protest Thursday afternoon in downtown Rapid City, as speakers condemned the controversial House Bill 1215 signed Monday by Gov. Mike Rounds as a step back in time for women’s rights.

At the same time, a group of counter demonstrators across the street sang songs, flashed anti-abortion signs and praised the state Legislature and Gov. Mike Rounds for defending the unborn in law.

Organizers of the rally against HB 1215 n which would allow abortions only when needed to save the life of a pregnant woman n signed in 402 people at the main rally site in front of the federal building. They waved signs and chanting pro-choice slogans as speakers denounced a law they consider to be both unconstitutional and unconscionable.

“We are free human beings,” said Shery Bea Smith, a registered nurse from Nemo. “Unfortunately, we happen to be South Dakotans at this time.”<<
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2006/03/09/pmedition/news/news01.txt

Meanwhile,
across the state:


South Dakotans Rally For, Against Abortion
By CARSON WALKER , 03.09.2006, 04:59 PM

Demonstrators on both sides of the abortion debate rallied in two South Dakota cities Thursday, responding to their state's enactment of a law that would ban nearly all abortions. Protests against the law also took place in several other states, organized by Planned Parenthood.

In Sioux Falls, where Planned Parenthood operates South Dakota's only abortion clinic, more than 200 abortion-rights supporters gathered in front of the federal courthouse. The speeches at times were hard to hear, in part because of motorists responding to signs that urged, "Honk for Choice."

Kate Looby, state director of Planned Parenthood, told the crowd that their time and money would be needed to defeat the ban. Her organization has said it will either challenge the law in court or gather signatures to try and get it rescinded in the November general election.<<
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/03/09/ap2584141.html
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:16 PM
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31. Thank you.
I'd post more but I can't stop crying. Some of my tears are of pride for my SD sisters.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:26 PM
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32. Wow. Thank you so much...
...for the detailed report, and for being there.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:32 PM
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33. K&R
Thanks for the report. I can't tell you how depressed I've felt since I first heard about this legislation in South Dakota. It hits too close to my home of North Dakota.

As I've said before, I've gone through abortions. I'm not proud of it, I don't have a bumper sticker announcing the fact, I don't tell people except on an anonymous website such as DU. But lately with all the attacks on women's rights I almost feel the need to say to anti-choice relatives or acquaintances: "I've had an abortion. Actually, I've had two. People you wouldn't suspect do have abortions. Am I a murderer now?"

And in reference to your statement:

There isn't even a word in English for men who sleep around, but plenty of them for women. Slut, tramp, whore, harlot, etc., etc.

I was just thinking about that last night, too. I was pissed off at a commercial I saw on AFN (American Forces Network) in which a young woman is on the phone in the background while the words "LOVE"... "SEX"... "ABORTION"... "LOVE"... "SEX"... "AIDS"... "LOVE"... "SEX"... "DEATH" flash on the screen over and over again. For one, it pisses me off that apparently only the woman is to worry about this; for two, I don't pay taxes so the military can use it to produce shitty commercials pushing their views on abortion. This got me thinking about the whole double standard for sexual promiscuity. The only word I could think of for a promiscuous man is "dog" but it is often worn like a badge of honor.

I remember what else got me thinking about the whole name-calling thing. Yesterday on 'Good Morning America' Charlie Gibson was interviewing someone (I don't remember what the segment was about) and used as an example getting over an old love, saying something to the effect of "... why did I ever date that slut?" Now, there is a lot of the context missing there since I wasn't paying much attention but it occurred to me just how common it is to hear the words "slut" and "whore" used in everyday conversations and on TV.

I feel so helpless in fighting the attack on Roe vs. Wade. I don't have a lot of money to donate so that isn't the best method for me. I just want to curl up in a corner and hide from it all.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:23 PM
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61. Calling a promiscuous male a 'dog' gives the
dog a bad name. There's always the term, 'male whore.' I rather like 'irresponsible ejaculator.'
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:32 PM
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89. He-Whore
That's what I call them.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:20 PM
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106. I like that....
he-whore. Has a nice ring to it. Thx.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 10:39 PM
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34. Fantastic Post. Thank you.
These anti women and anti choice interests are few but very vocal and very rich. The vast majority of Americans do not support the woman becoming chattel of the state while she is pregnant.

I've been finding articles just recently on how the fetus life should be giving precedence over the life of the woman.

Does the fetus pay taxes and vote?
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:30 PM
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62. No, it doesn't pay taxes or vote, but
will certainly require state help if it has no mother and sometimes no father who can be found.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:54 PM
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77. That whole attitude goes back
to the pre-Roe days when women were considered important only as the "vessel" for babies, when their lives and needs, including medical needs, were automatically subordinate to that of the fetus, even at the very beginning of pregnancy. We CANNOT go back to that, we just can't. There must be a balance.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:12 PM
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36. I'm so glad to see this report
And that there were so many on the side of good.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:14 PM
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37. Hey liberalhistorian, sorry I missed seeing you!!!
It was a great rally. I asked one of the organizers for an estimate of numbers and she said they figured about 400 on our side of the street.I estimate about 100 for the other side of the street. There were so many great signs and so much energy. I was very happy with the responses that we got from so many passing cars. Much more positive response than negative.

I was very happy to see so many young women and young men at the rally today. It made me feel so much better for the future. The peace rallies that I have been to have not been so well attended. Yesterday when I was running errands there was one older lady downtown with a sign reading "Save Roe v Wade". I was worried that only a few of us older women would be there.

I was thanking one of the young women who was a volunteer organizer and she said, I don't want to go back to the past. I said that some of us have been going to these protests for waaay too long.

When I was young, there was one Dr who performed illegal abortions here in SD. People who were in the know, knew who to contact. Today, there is one Dr who performs legal abortions here in SD. Of course, she actually comes in from out of state. So not much has really changed.

The thing that I do not understand is that more people do not seem to realize that this law was written and sponsored by out of state interests. It was very carefully planned and funded. There are about 12 states where they are carrying out this same plan.

I believe that the biggest point of this campaign is heat up this divisive issue before the upcoming election season so that no one will be talking about the war, or the economy or national security, or the ports deal or health care or the environment, or fuel prices, or any other issue that really matters to our lives.

Be advised that this same insanity could be coming to a state near you.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:20 AM
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46. I didn't know that,
"The thing that I do not understand is that more people do not seem to realize that this law was written and sponsored by out of state interests. It was very carefully planned and funded. There are about 12 states where they are carrying out this same plan."

But it doesn't surprise me. It seemed like something that had been in the works for some time. Can you give us a link?

"I believe that the biggest point of this campaign is heat up this divisive issue before the upcoming election season so that no one will be talking about the war, or the economy or national security, or the ports deal or health care or the environment, or fuel prices, or any other issue that really matters to our lives."

I believe you're right about that.

Great post.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:33 PM
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83. And also to make clear the point that NO doctors in SD will perform
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 03:34 PM by CLW
an abortion. Not because they are necessarily morally opposed, but because their practices could suffer. Doctors have to be FLOWN IN from Minneapolis on a weekly basis to provide this service. I've told folks this and they are shocked!!!!! That women in SD can't get a legal medical procedure in their own state. It's criminal.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:14 AM
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49. Hey, prairierose,
I wish I'd known who you were! I talked to many older women, one of them may have very well been you. I was extremely pleased to see so many older women there, some of them my grandmother's age. And if she'd been alive, she'd have been there, too, no question. Both of my grandmothers would have been there.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:44 PM
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65. We met a while back...
at the Firehouse, when a few DU'ers got together...I was on the SW corner, on the side of the street that had fewer people. I felt we needed more bodies there. :think:

I talked to several of the older women there and saw many of my friends who have been attending rallies like this for so many years. Anyway, I was really happy with the attendance and you did a great job on this report.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:55 AM
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40. Very inspiring!
:applause:

Thank you for sharing.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 07:08 AM
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41. Thanks for your participation and posting.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:39 AM
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42. Hey, LiberalHistorian!
Come to Connecticut, a prochoice as it gets state. Move to New Haven where there are all kinds of liberals running around. I appreciate your work in SD and Ohio but I just think you'd be happier with greater numbers of supporters here.

And the pizza is the best outside of Italy. No kidding.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:48 AM
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57. LOL!
I don't think I'd want Lieberman as my senator, though!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:40 PM
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73. I'm working on the Lamont campaign with lots of
great liberal dems. We've got a vibrant thing going, plus this being where Yale is we have lots of cultural amenities. People like Meryl Streep come to campus Master's Teas and speak.

I can't imagine being a liberal dem in a red state these days. You've got lots of courage! Good luck.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:47 AM
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43. Thank you for this report! Man, if my mom was still around she would be SO
pissed at the nonsense that is going down about making women into chattel again.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:12 AM
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48. I know what you mean!
My own mother is furious, and both of my grandmothers, if they were alive, would have been out there in full force, madder than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs!
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:39 AM
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44. What a report! This really should be a magazine article.
Please continue with your reports from SD.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:07 AM
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45. Your post is beautifully written, and I am so terribly
sorry, frustrated, and angry that you even had a reason to be there to experience the rally!

Your post and the rally actually gives me some hope. I will add though that marching and protesting and holding up signs merely begins a galvanization of the like-minded, but it does not accomplish the end in and of itself.

As for action, (and I'm sure this must have been suggested by some of the speakers) what is needed as the the next two steps of Planned Parenthood and pro-women activists is a simultaneous effort to reverse this bill. This would involve a signature gathering campaign for your own counter-amendment to go on the ballot in November and a major vote-registration and GOTV campaign. There are probably thousands of single women (and men) in SD who are not registered and have never voted. They have to be mobilized, probably for the first time in their lives. And those people who are pro-women, but are a little lazy on voting day will also have to be mobilized. This is going to take hundreds of activists doing a lot of block-walking!

I want to add that I will stand up for the women of South Dakota! I will lend my support in any way asked, especially for organized events such as an amendment and vote-registration. I will drive there to work and I will donate money.

Please keep the DU community informed as to how we can provide assistance!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:11 AM
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47. That's exactly true that it will take
far more than waving signs and shouting at rallies. But the rallies do serve a purpose in getting people galvanized and energized so that they can then go out and do the nitty-gritty work. And much of what you suggest is already being planned; there are several planning meetings this month and campaigns and actions are being organized as I type this.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:53 AM
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58. I am thrilled to hear about the meetings, etc.
Please understand that I meant for my post to be encouraging and not critical of the purpose of rallies, etc.! Like many other people on the liberals sites, I just have been reading blogs and forums for so long now, and am more than willing and ready to actually ACT on something! My brain is on 6500rpm -- I was even thinking this morning that the other states need to get some pre-emptive ballot measures going for November that will keep their own legislators from running amok on this issue!

Please PM me when you get any info about how I can help specifically in SD! I will do some research to send some funds to the Planned Parenthood office in SD.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:39 PM
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64. Hi, Turn CO Blue, I talked to a couple of the organizers...
and this rally actually made the news here ! Anyway, Planned Parenthood and other groups are trying to decide which way to go with a campaign to defeat this insane law. As of last night, I heard they had not decided yet whether to just go the lawsuit route (the other side is already raising money to defend the law against lawsuits) or whether to begin the referendum process. I do know that there was not a petition at the rally yesterday because I asked about that specifically.

The next rally/organizing meeting is Mar 19. They may make a decision by then and we might know more after that.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:35 PM
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71. I hope there is much
commitment and determination to being sure the guys that forced this legislation are voted out of office ASAP.

Tyranny of the minority must not be allowed to continue. They should lose their jobs over this.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:17 AM
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51. How big of a crowd was there?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:31 AM
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54. Estimates are about 400 for
our side and around 100-200 for the other side. Again, I was extremely pleased to see so many men on our side of the rally, old, young, and in-between.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:19 AM
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52. Amazing coverage, thank you for bringing this to the rest of us
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:28 AM
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53. Wow! Great work! Thanks!
Your post was both excellent reportage and a very personal and moving account.

I look forward to hearing more. Please continue to keep us informed!

:hug:
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 PM
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60. Excellent report
I see that we have much work to do again. Sadly, I'm still in Ohio.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:07 PM
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66. You poor thing!
To show others just how bad OH is now, I'd even rather be here in SD than in OH. I spent most of my life in OH, but left last May for Rapid City, and will never go back to live in OH, even though most of my family and friends are there. I crossed the OH border on my way here and never looked back! The Taliban is even worse there.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:38 PM
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63. infant mortality rates worldwide
Getting back to the idea of babies dying:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

What do anti-choicers say about the US having such an unimpressive rank on the list? That it's God's will? They really don't seem to care about babies after they are born.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:45 PM
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90. I know, it's unbelievable, isn't it?
I guess what you could really call them is "pro-birth", because in their minds, their job ends when the baby is born. Like former surgeon general Jocelyn Elders said before she was forced out by the early version of the American Taliban: "these people need to get over their love affair with the fetus and actually start supporting CHILDREN." I say amen to that!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:08 PM
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67. OMG! I've made the Homepage!
Wow, I've NEVER been on the homepage before, cool!
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:08 PM
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68. "If the fetus is born GAY, would you still bother to fight for it?"
Killer line. This one should be everywhere!!!!!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:28 PM
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69. They have an answer for that. They say being gay is a choice.
Of course, they don't want anyone to have that choice either!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:29 PM
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70. LOL,
true enough! Although I firmly believe that it is NOT a choice.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:35 PM
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72. ditto
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:45 PM
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74. hi-- haven`t seen you in awhile
i hope everything is going well for you and yours..

well i know you are going to give them hell--it`s a shame that a whole generation of woman have no idea what the coat hanger meant to their mothers and grandmothers...
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:51 PM
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76. And let's hope we can
make sure that they won't have to ever again! I know both of my grandmothers would kick some anti-choice ass if they were alive today. How well they knew just what coathangers represented. Some of their stories would curl your hair.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:49 PM
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75. kicking for justice
nt
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:50 PM
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78. Wonderful post!
It made me teary-eyed reading it. I'm so sick of these middle-aged white males thinking they know what is best for all us "little women". I'm perfectly capable of making my own intelligent, informed decisions.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:59 PM
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79. Beautifully said. Thank you.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:10 PM
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80. These are the true "pro-life" issues
As you stated them so clearly:

"Such as the high percentage of pregnant women murdered by their boyfriends or husbands. The refusal to even consider raising the minimum wage, as requested by the republican governor. The refusal to do anything about the high numbers of South Dakotans without health insurance and/or access to health care, INCLUDING babies and children. And the decades-long indifference of and callousness towards the tremendously disproportionately-high mortality numbers of Indian babies and children, despite endless efforts to get the legislature even slightly interested, as one Indian columnist angrily wrote last week. "

One of the best and most moving posts I have ever read here at DU. Thank you.


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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:12 PM
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81. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 03:12 PM by Mad_Dem_X
I'm sitting here at work, reading this, with tears in my eyes. Kudos to everyone who demonstrated in SD. WE MUST KEEP FIGHTING! We cannot let these fascists win, or women will be dying horrible deaths, left and right, from illegal abortions!


(Edited for spelling.)
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:18 PM
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82. To all DUers: what are you waiting for?
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 04:25 PM
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84. Good Job. Wonder how many pro-lifers get abortions?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:47 PM
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91. You'd be surprised how many of
them and/or their children get them. What they don't seem to realize is that they wouldn't have had that option if everyone else didn't, either. Of course, they always have a good reason. But no one else does, only them. :sarcasm:
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:18 PM
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85. Wonderful report--thank you so much! Questions....
Is there any way to stop this law from being enacted?
I realize that this is a test-case for Roe v Wade and will end up in the S.Court, but could it be stopped before it gets there, by lower courts?
What happens next?

Perhaps the demonstrations will stop other governors from doing the same - I sure hope so!
I am one of you!

:hi:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:44 PM
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86. LH, you and I have had some disagreements in the past. No more.
I salute you for your post, and moreso for your willingness to stand up and be heard.

Good work on both counts. It's too bad that you had to be disappointed in your adopted home, but you have the courage to be willing to try to change the place, instead of saying "to hell with it" and moving somewhere else, like many other people (probably including me) would have.

And I hope that your message regarding the "outside agitators" gets out, because it's an excellent example of how laws can be passed against the will of the majority of the people in a state.

Keep up the good work.

Redstone
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:48 PM
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92. Thanks, Redstone,
and I firmly believe that the legislature is actually afraid to allow it to come to a vote because they know it would likely go down in flames.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:26 AM
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98. You're more than welcome. I hope this reply kicks up your post for
the night crowd.

You should be heard far and wide...

Redstone
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:47 PM
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87. Thank you for the report.
I had wondered how it had gone.

Has anyone started circulating referendum petitions yet?
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:12 PM
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88. One of the best posts I have seen on DU. We are going back - back
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 11:13 PM by bluerum
to the 60's when we had to fight for these things. Now they are taking them away. They are taking us back in time. This is a very very bad dream.

I am so so sick of this fundamentalist mentality. They are entitled to their faith - but they are not entitled to rule the lives of other people - or to make medical and life decisions for other people.

What gives them the right - they claim moral authority or authority from god - but what if I do not accept that authority or their god. What gives them the right to force their beliefs on ME!

edit: spelling.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:49 PM
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93. First, Incredible Post! Second, That Is Awesome To Hear That Women And Men
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 11:50 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
young, old and all the SD residents are standing up like that! It sounds like it was an incredible rally and I'm glad to hear that the SD public is not going to stand silent to the bullshit the legislature just pulled in denying women their right to choose.

Let's hope this continues to steamroll in huge ways!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:58 PM
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94. I think it will, indeed, continue
to steamroll ever faster! I don't think the legislature has any idea of the sleeping giant they've just awakened. I was, indeed, very pleased to see such a large and mixed turnout, including the many men of all ages.

BTW, did you know that there's a jokester on the "other site" claiming that you're his mole?!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:06 AM
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97. Well, Let's Hope The Legislature Gets The Idea Soon!
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 12:15 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Millions of people knockin on their doors should send a good message :)

As far as your last line, are you for real? LOL No, I didn't. Course, I refuse to go there unless a fellow DU'er posts a thread that screams out for curiosity and clickin :)

on edit: See? Ya made me go to freepville LOL I typed my name in the search box of their 3rd grade website and it returned no results. :shrug: Oh well, no biggie. I generally don't concern myself with the other side anyway, unless I'm forced to. (such as the neo-con at work). We got too much to focus on this year than to worry about their stupidity :)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 05:39 PM
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99. Oh, no, it wasn't FR, it
was the "other" site. The one where they have a forum about us.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 06:54 PM
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101. Huh?
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 07:03 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME


On edit: (Ok, am I not supposed to be this lost in this conversation? LOL Don't sweat it though, I could care less when it comes down to it :) )
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:03 AM
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95. Thanking you for doing something.
I just wanted to thank you for going down and participating in the protest. So many people just sit back and complain about the religious right but very few will take action against them. Thanks for doing the right thing, Danny.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:05 AM
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96. Thanks, Danny, and I will continue
doing everything I can and so will a lot of other people I know, including co-workers.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:28 AM
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107. Are more protests planned?
I will be in SD in a couple of months and would like very much to participate.

(Please forgive me if I've missed any posts about upcoming SD protests elsewhere on this board.)

:kick:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 05:42 PM
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100. Well, well, well, the Rapid City Journal
yesterday printed several angry letters strongly supporting the new abortion ban, with one saying it doesn't go far enough; since abortion is homicide, those who get one and perform it should then be jailed. Another ranting about the "loony left" and their "feminist thugs." And guess what, people? They were ALL written by men. Yes, MEN. Geez, what a surprise. :sarcasm:

That's why, again, I was so glad to see so many men of all ages and types on our side at the rally. And they were just as angry as the women were.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 07:10 PM
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102. Local paper in Washington state showed the pro-lifers
but the headline said "Protesters in SD." They pretty much think we is stupid.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:06 PM
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103. Let down your guard and now see what happens....Those pesky Pubs
and their Right Wing Assholes will come in the middle of the night to steal your rights.,

Shameful and Selfish
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whitedogs Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:52 PM
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104. I dunno, liberalhistorian,
I hope your right about the state legislature getting the boot, but I'm skeptical. I moved to NE SD almost 2 years ago from IN. Indiana's a very conservative state, but SD's sadistic, racist, neanderthal ways never cease to amaze me.

For example, SD is a zero tolerance state vis-a-vis illegal drugs. They have a statute that prohibits having a controlled substance in one's bloodstream, even if it was consumed in a jurisdiction where doing so was legal (e.g., a Canadian med-mj user who got their bag from their govt). The State Supreme Court says that law enforcement, if they believe they have probable cause, can order someone to submit to a UA without a warrant, or forcibly catheterize that person if they refuse. My clients who are convicted of possession of marijuana (I'm a criminal defense attorney) regularly get five days in jail if it's a first offense, regardless of how little they possessed. By contrast, 1st DUI and simple assault/ domestic abuse convictions generally result in suspended sentences, even with very bad facts (like kicking one's girlfriend in the face). I should point out that SD repealed its motorcycle helmet law some time ago, and no SD community that I'm aware of has even seriously considered smoking bans in bars or restaurants, so I don't think SD's treatment of drug charges can be explained by a genuine concern for public health.

Upon conviction, court costs and fines are generally payable up front, or the defendant will have to sit any suspended sentence, meaning that the length of one's sentence is directly proportionate to how well-healed one is--an equal protection violation, if you ask me. The cheapskates also stick defendants with the cost of their jail stay and court-appointed attorney fees.

SD racism is appalling. White South Dakotans I meet, even after finding out I work for a tribe, will make overtly contemptuous comments about Native Americans to me of a kind far beyond, say, what one would ever expect to hear about blacks or hispanics in some of the most redneck milieus elsewhere.

So, I guess I believe that a SD legislator's comments that a panel of hicks should get to decide whether a woman's rape and sodomy was brutal enough that she might be honest in saying she'll kill herself if forced to carry to term is indicative of mainstream opinion here. I could also see Sodakans supporting forced marriages, like Mr. Napoli wants. After all, ND does not allow no-fault divorces and has criminalized cohabitation. We need to keep up with the joneses.

I suggest a boycott. Don't come here. Don't buy products from SD if you can tell their origin (Rounds has a plan to market SD beef--prolly a negative commerce clause violation anyway).


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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:00 PM
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105. Wow. You have guts just livin' there. You all are fighting the fight in
the hinterlands.

Hard to believe that there is anyplace in the country that has criminalised co-habitation. How do they find you and prosecute you? Jeez folk's - ever hear of having to pay the rent?

Just out of curiosity - are these dry states or are you allowed to drink yourself into a stupor on Friday and Saturday nights?



But, you may be on to something. Send all the redneck, ignorant, hell bent on fucking things up to the Dakota's where they will to busy shoveling snow and trying to keep from freezing to cause the rest of us much trouble.
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