Apple plans 3,000-worker support center in India

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

Apple Computer Inc. is setting up a technical support center in Bangalore, India, according to a report Thursday in The Times of India.

The paper said Cupertino-based Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) will hire 1,500 to staff the technical center by the end of this year, and have 3,000 staff at the end of next year.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2006/03/06/daily54.html?f=et79&hbx=e_du

[Idioteque]

1. Here...I'll start...

"Dey terk our jaorbs!!!"

[sproutster]

9. I'm sure it's very humerous if you are not in line to be outsourced

Very f'ing funny.

F apple - long live *ux!

[Idioteque]

14. People losing their jobs isn't funny...I agree...

...but I have a hard time taking protectionism seriously.

[sproutster]

18. What do you do for a living?

I have spent all my savings on tech training. Why call it protectionism, why not call it what it is an unemployment movement. Yay, would you like fries with that?

[Idioteque]

22. I'm not going to lie, I'm a high school senior. I don't work yet.

I just reject the idea that it's "liberal" or "progressive" to say that hard working Americans are any more deserving of jobs than hard working people in India.

[sproutster]

27. And I reject the premis that India is more deserving.

One of my close friends has a doctorate in Mathmatics, and a hell of an engineer -- laid off.
A lady has a masters in EE -- laid off.
Tons of highly educated people -- laid off.

But hey, India has a booming middle class. They deserve it more.

[bpilgrim]

29. the race to the bottom is hitting your generation very hard

and it is only gonna get worse...

i think that if america truly stood for FREEDOM & EQUALITY we would have a TAX against all countries who's standards didn't meet our own (environment, health-care, benefits, pensions, unions, etc) on ALL their exports to our country.

as a liberal, i think thats fair.

gl

peace

[HughBeaumont]

32. Just as I reject the idea that it's liberal and progressive

to lift one middle class at the expense and destruction of another's without providing some kind of long-term outlook, new industries and professions and more of a safety net for those displaced workers.

You think this is some kind of argument for entitlement? Real people are being hurt and whole towns are being destroyed by this practice. Come to Northeast Ohio sometime and look at all of the ghost towns, dead factories and vacant office space thanks to this brand of rotten Darwinist economics.

Remember, those economists you study are nothing but theoreticians. America doesn't need 130 million nanotechnologists, lawyers, doctors or service workers. We need a future and more attention paid to this growing problem of an infrastructure that no longer includes workers.

[Kahuna]

50. You probably assume there will be a job waiting for you when you

graduate. For your sake I hope there will be one for you .. in THIS country.

[Warpy]

2. Dumb move

Didn't Dell try that out and find the ill will generated by having people confounded by Indian accents when they were looking for help cost them a lot of business?

[mondo joe]

4. Mac users aren't Dell users. n/t

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

10. What exactly does that mean?

I know the "n/t" implied that the statement was all-inclusive, but you've lost me. Really.

[mondo joe]

11. Mac users and Dell users are different people. Different attitudes.

Different responses.

Based on the Mac users I know, I'd take them to be more receptive to support via India.

Might be wrong, but that's my take.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

12. So "more receptive to support via India" equals...

more receptive to American jobs sent to India?

Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick here...I'm just looking for something positive in Apple bleeding American jobs to India.

WHY is this a good thing in the context of Mac users versus PC users?

[mondo joe]

13. No. Your post was about getting "Indian accents" when calling for help.

I think there are people who - regardless of outsourcing - don't want to deal with foreign accents.

I think Mac users are less likely to fall into that category than Dell users.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

15. BULLSHIT. There's NOTHING in my post about "India Accents."

And, to save you the trouble of scrolling, here is my post:

Apple plans 3,000-worker support center in India

Apple Computer Inc. is setting up a technical support center in Bangalore, India, according to a report Thursday in The Times of India.

The paper said Cupertino-based Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) will hire 1,500 to staff the technical center by the end of this year, and have 3,000 staff at the end of next year.

SHOW ME the "India Accents" aspect of this post. SHOW ME. Copy it and paste it. I'll be waiting.

[mondo joe]

19. Sorry - the Indian Accents comment was from the first comment to

which I responded. I thought you were the same person.

[justabob]

17. This Mac user is not happy to hear this news at all

In fact, I am furious about this and intend on letting Apple know about it, but that is just me.

[Swamp Rat]

23. You are wrong. I am a Mac user and I want those jobs to stay in the USA.

To be more precise, I would prefer for Apple to create a call center here in New Orleans.

We need tech jobs BADLY!

[justabob]

25. Exactly, that would be great nt

[mondo joe]

26. Again, I was responding to a post about how Dell users didn't like

getting an "Indian accent" when they call for help.

It doesn't address outsourcing.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Well, I like Indian accents, or any other...

... from a linguistic as well as aesthetic point of view. ;)

All I know is, we need tech jobs in New Orleans REAL BAD!

Shame on Apple, Dell, MicroSoft, whoever, for not making any overt plans to help us out.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

5. I can't see ANY scenario...

...in which this is going to reflect favorably on Apple.

I apologize in advance...I know there are DUers who rush to the "outsourcing" threads and post things like "Indians need jobs too!"

Why, YES...yes, they most certainly do.

But I read something like this and I feel that Michael Dell and Steve Jobs are the same guy.

Go ahead, respond. I've put on my SUIT.

[Idioteque]

16. How about the fact that Apple will be able to lower their prices...

...as well as provide relatively good paying jobs to people who work hard and deserve them.

[sproutster]

20. For how long? Ever read the HP way?

:) As someone who has been laid off about it.

[justabob]

21. How about India develop its own technology etc

to provide good paying jobs for it's people? I would love for Indians to have good jobs, but not at the expense of Americans' jobs. There aren't enough restaurants to hire everyone here.

[Deja Q]

33. Exactly. India needs to get off its lazy ass and make something.

What is going on isn't trade at all. It's a giveaway. Not even pimping cheap hookers. It's a slutdom.

And the disease being put on American consumers is pretty gross too.

[Idioteque]

35. They can make lots, and they can make it a lot cheaper than we can...

It's kind of hypocritical to say that India is lazy, when obviously you think they work hard enough to take American jobs.

[Deja Q]

39. How did India come up from corporate-zilch to IT-central of the world?

As with what's happening now, I suspect free education and transportation. H1B being one piece of the puzzle.

"When" is about 2000 or 2001...

But it's a pity we don't help our own first; but then we're too expensive and practice freedom - that's a bad thing.

You're right, they're happy to take American jobs - and then insult Americans in return. That isn't very nice, yet I can't blame them - Americans are stupid... Other countries would see such insults against their people as a slur, or even an act of aggression. Our country's leaders don't seem to care. Says much for their patriotism, I feel sad to say... :(

Besides, $1/hr - those Indians are mighty cheap. (What does it feel like? I've read plenty. So I feel entitled to show the other side's POV.)

And now with their new nuke capabilities, they'll blow Pakistan off the face of the map... assuming Pakistan doesn't "do a Bush" and pre-emptively wipe out who they see is an aggressive, dangerous enemy... :rofl:

If only Bush would be President of America again, maybe America can get back on track like it ought to be.

[area51]

36. "How about India develop its own technology etc"

Hear, hear!

We need decent-paying jobs in America. Indians (etc.) are just as smart as Americans & can create their own jobs.

[Deja Q]

40. They're not very self-reliant if they need to take everyone else's jobs...

:shrug:

I thought the Republicans valued self-reliance.

Apparently not.

Oops.

[Deja Q]

30. Americans don't work hard and don't deserve them? I smell something...

something stinky.

And $1/hr is very good paying indeed - assuming your curry costs a nickel and your gas a dime per gallon. Hmmm, nickeled and dimed we are?

[Idioteque]

34. I didn't say Americans don't work hard or that they don't deserve jobs...

...I simply said that the people in India do work just as hard and they deserve jobs just as much.

[Deja Q]

41. Are you employed? We are not a country of mini-Jesuses...

Let me know when your job is ripped under you for the common excuses being made by the executives...

Jesus died for others' sins. Do you want to die the same way?

[rolleitreks]

38. They never lower prices. They just raise profits. n/t

[Deja Q]

42. Bingo - funny how Apple's laptop products are still sky-high compared to

similarly equipped PC laptops. It's all the same hardware. What's the difference? Modified open source software and a duotone representation of a cheap fruit? :rofl:

[HughBeaumont]

49. I'm definitely not one of these people ..

and I'm also highly suspect of people who refer to themselves as "progressives" and at the same time embrace and defend this uber-Repukelicking piece of economic Darwinism. I see job/career offshoring for what it really is: irresponsible Reaganite bullshit devised by robber barons, defended by puppet "praise the rich, for they are the winners in the game of life" economists and foisted upon the middle class by force at the behest of these same rich pigs. "Evolve or die", "Be a Tiger!" "Economics 101", "A Rising tide lifts all yachts", "The Indian middle class are buying American brand products; therefore, more Americans are employed!" are all right-wing talking points that not only fail logically but realistically as well.

Repukes (rich ones, anyway) don't want a middle class. A powerless, fearful, low-paid and divided middle class is an OBEDIENT middle class. Cheap labor cons LOVE fascism.

[msongs]

3. it's as American as Apple....curry hehe nt

[Earth_First]

6. So who will be left to consume in America we've all been outsourced?

I wonder if that's even a boardroom concern (yet)?

[Deja Q]

46. Nobody. Expect Indians to become lazy and fat...

What with McCurry sandwiches and xboxes for them to sit in front of for hours on end...

It's sad, really... my $50 paid of gloves read "Made in India". That's $50 leather gloves. Seems cows aren't so sacred anymore... and wasn't anybody told which animal it came from? Nobody asking questions... hardly a sign of intelligence. America does not have a monopoly of stupidity, that's for sure...

Science, they say, should be used to benefit mankind. Instead, everything we do is to help the plastic fantastic lover (credit card?)... something to that effect... good song, that was...

[jayfish]

7. But Apples So Blue!

:eyes:

Jay

[Deja Q]

28. It's GREEN. Like all the others. They can't see blue. Or red. Or white.

I saw the eyes and I agree with ya on this "But it's a bluuuuuuuuuuuue company!"

They're colorblind to all but green.

Sheesh. They ditch better hardware architecture - twice. And they ditch their own ground-up OS and fiddlefart around with FreeBSD instead, and claim to put back into FreeBSD what they said they'd take from...

[bpilgrim]

31. last time i checked, our 'leaders' were all on board with GLOBALIZATION

:eyes:

peace

[jayfish]

43. Well I'm Sure Not.

Sad part is I actually bought into the BS. I've never owned or worked on Apples much but I always respected the company and its direction. Now... eh.

Jay

[bpilgrim]

51. ???

:shrug:

peace

[Deja Q]

44. Peace begins when the hungry are fed...

Well, since we can't feed a population of 300 million despite being the richest nation on this sodding planet, let's try to feed 1.5 billion at the cost of the ~200 million who have jobs... seems logical to me.
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

:bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld::bizarroworld:

[peacetalksforall]

8. I had to speak to my ISP today. I like Indians, but I'm changing my ISP.

It's going to be my way of showing my patriotism.

No more Dells or any other India based savings for the already rich.

Stockholders should examnine their conscience.

Yesterday, I caught up with a friend who told me about Indians coming in waves and employees who used to be in three buildings are now in one building and on fewer floors and that the training of Indians goes on all the time.

This is high tech stuff. Very high stuff.

Another friend in a different company who dealt in higher high tech taught the Indian who took over and is presently making $10.00 an hour waiting for a break through. It's been over a year, now maybe two.

And job numbers are going up? Show us the high tech job increases, George. There are young people with master degrees searching, endlessly searching.

Thanks, but no thanks, Bill. Your idea has been a disaster for smart people and you know it. But, Chelsea is one of the exceptions so why do you care?

It it keeps going this way, you all might want to find alternative education for your children - let them learn, but don't promise them anything and make sure they don't expect the world unless it's training and supervising in India.

[Deja Q]

24. And who on the Board approved this?

[Paulie]

45. Ouch, don't ask that question!

:evilgrin: :dilemma: :hide: :popcorn:

Back to opening post.

I had a problem with my Mac, and followed the built in troubleshooting system in OS X. Ended up needing to talk to an Online Tech... Guess which country this was, 5 months ago, at midnight central time?

I've been transitioned to an outsourcer. Now paying off debt so I can go to school and learn something else besides technology.

I feel more and more like Marvin the Paranoid Android everyday... pain in the diodes on my left side....

[Deja Q]

47. I'll ask any damn question I want. After all, I'm the black sheep.

Don't blame ya, re: Marvin. I've been looking at EVERYTHING, trying to find even a glimmer of something that suggests hope for the working class. I've yet to find anything.

But there is something. There always is. To not look would be tantamount to suicide. I'm not ready for that yet.

[OhioChick]

48. WOW..........Imagine that

And......George just promised them more jobs last week. :grr: