8 yrs of attacks on Sen. Clinton; when are we going to get McCain/Giuliani

[ecstatic]

Let's face it, Senator Clinton will likely be our frontrunner in 2008. We've experience 8+ years of attacks (from right and left) against her character, etc.

When are we going to start letting the public know what Giuliani & McCain are truly all about? We need to start getting the message out now. The public knows very little about them and their ratings are VERY high.

[mdmc]

1. I like McCain and Rudy

well, not like like... but they won't be the worst thing in 2008.

[ecstatic]

2. Are you kidding?

Giuliani is a tough guy, but that's it. He's as dumb as Bush (have you ever heard him do a serious interview?).

And McCain is just very confused. One day he's Centrist, next day he is "trusting Bush" on the Ports deal!

[Why Syzygy]

5. and Hillary is a Bush supporter. So? n/t

[mattclearing]

14. Link? n/t

[Why Syzygy]

22. Votes?

Look it up for yourself.

[catmother]

8. i don't think he's dumb. he was a u.s. attorney. from what i heard

when i worked in the legal field you had to be pretty smart to get a job like that.

[mdmc]

9. well, if the GOP falls for Rudy and McCain

and the Dems grab a couple of moderates, I guess America is the better for it. I would still like to see a progressive liberal become President, but that is just me.

[harpo]

16. cops don't like him

[catmother]

19. which one? guilliani or mccain?

[Why Syzygy]

3. If Hillary is our frontrunner

we better get real used to those two.

[mdmc]

11. I think that Hillary can beat them

with the Big Dog on her side, anything is possible.

[Why Syzygy]

23. okay

well delusions are a dime a dozen, so help yourself.

We need to get serious people. Hillary is not it.

[mdmc]

30. I would prefer Gore myself

Al Gore.

[Why Syzygy]

32. then we are on the same side

But I don't know that he is running. He might have to ask Hillary.

[mdmc]

35. He will only run if we draft him. Dean may very well do that

but 2008 is very far away. We still don't know what the political landscape of 2008 will look like.

This year, Hillary is up for re-election. Do you think it would be wise to carry democratic nominating petitions for Hillary's democratic opponents? I think that it would be a major progressive coup if NYS dems were actually allowed a choice in the primary.

Do you think that I should carry petitions for her opponents, or should I carry just for her (I am a committee person, so I should carry for her (she will be endorsed, she is the incumbent).

Hillary might have enough coattails to pull some congress people in to office with her (I think that Sweeney and Sue Kelly could be knocked out by Eliot Spitzer and Hillary Clinton focusing in on their congressional districts).

[Why Syzygy]

36. I like her in the Senate

even though I don't like her votes, I know she is an imposing personality and brings attention to our side when she wants to.

I can't address the issue you ask about. I have no idea. If there is someone more progressive than she, I would say, yes, carry that petition too. Give people a choice. Isn't that what progressives are about? If she really is a politician she can work it from the outside too. Witness her husband. I'm sure he still pulls a string now and again. Elected office is not the only way to make things happen. Okay. I would say, give them a choice. I'm with you.

[mdmc]

37. thank you for your post

:kick:

[catmother]

6. don't be fooled by mccain. he's not a moderate and he's got

skeletons in his closet. he also has a terrible temper. i heard that one time at a meeting he got so angry that he passed out. imagine him with his finger near the button.

rudy is probably the only repub that i could live with.

don't get me wrong. i'm not voting for him.

[mdmc]

12. what about wacky pataki? I could live with him

I would prefer a liberal progressive, but, all is better then Condi, Jeb, First, et al.

[catmother]

18. don't know too much about him. i moved from NYC 16 years

ago. but i do remember guilliani going after john gotti. and then, of course, he became mayor and cleaned up new york city, but i hear it's back to being shitty again. :shrug:

[mdmc]

31. I think NYC is doing okay

Pataki and Rudy are just moderate pukes, kinda like conservative dlc dems. I would prefer a Kucinich presidency, but Rudy or Pataki would be a welcome relief from the neo-cons.

[catmother]

40. Kucinich is more along my way of thinking but i don't think he's

got a snowball's chance in hell. what do you think of mark warner? right now i think he's very electible -- turned virginia around -- worked well with both parties and he's charming and smart. just lack of experience might hurt him. but who knows.:shrug:

glad to hear my old home is doing well. i have never been back in over 16 years. i lived there my whole life.:)

[madinmaryland]

15. Rudy is a jerk!

Hillary was way ahead of him in the senate race until he withdrew with cancer. He was not real popular in NYC in the months before 9/11. His nasty split with his wife, the diallo case, etc. He was continually saying stuff that would p' off a lot of people.

[mdmc]

33. in 2000, Hillary would have wiped the floor with Rudy

now, terra might make Rudy a viable altenative to Hillary. He didn't run against her this year, because she would still wipe the floor with him, even with his America's Mayor 9-11 cache.

[Hobarticus]

4. We're not quite finished eating our own, thanks...

Maybe we'll get around to the real bad guys, sometime. Who knows?

[papau]

7. Clinton joins pro environment Sam and promotes diversity and this is bad?

Bob Ortega, author of "In Sam We Trust," a history of Wal-Mart, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812932978/104-0163161-5098365?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/02/b3611177.htm
said Clinton used her position to urge the company to improve its gender and racial diversity. Because of Clinton's prodding, Walton agreed to hire an outside firm to track the company's progress in hiring women and minorities, Ortega said. "These were things the company was not addressing and wouldn't have, had she not pushed them to do so," Ortega said. "She's somebody who could definitely get things done." In fact, Clinton proved to be such a thorn in Walton's side that at Wal-Mart's annual meeting in 1987, when shareholders challenged Walton on the company's lack of female managers, he assured them the record was improving "now that we have a strong willed young lady on the board." Clinton was particularly vocal on environmental matters, pressing the company to boost its sale and use of recycled materials and other "green" products.

Garry Mauro, who served with Clinton on a Wal-Mart environmental advisory committee, pointed to many successes, such as persuading the company to establish recycling centers and sell products like recycled oil and long-life light bulbs. "Hillary had real impact — when she had an idea, things got moving," he said. "When she resigned from the committee, it stopped having any innovative ideas and stopped being effective."

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after the death of founder Sam Walton, Wal-Mart department stores lost its way with both employees and the public. According to IN SAM WE TRUST, Sam Walton made Wal-Mart employees and customers feel as though he cared about them even when his business practices said otherwise. With at least false hope, those people continued working and shopping at Wal-Mart.
Sam Walton died in 1992, and, as IN SAM WE TRUST tells it, subsequent Wal-Mart leadership did not care nor pretend to care about people. The book's final chapters document just how cold Wal-Mart headquarters became.


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Meanwhile, Republican National Committee spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt called the move of returning a contraversal contribution "standard operating procedure" for Clinton. "When push comes to shove, the senator allows politics to trump principle every time," Schmitt said.

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I do like damned if you do/damned if you don't moments.

And Molly Iven finds only Feingold worthy of any progressive's backing, saying that Hillary has no spine because we don't want no nuanced positions on the timing of the pullout from Iraq.

Hill is having a bad day in progressive land!

:toast:

:-)

[Why Syzygy]

24. okay well

Wal mart is in court over those very same issues. So I guess she wasn't the sweeping force some thought.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Let's NOT face it. The people flogging the "Hillary is the front runner"

meme hardest are the right wingers and the media... ever wonder why?

I'm sorry, but what has she done to earn the nomination, again?

Here, since anyone can say anything and make it sound authoritative;

Let's face it: Al Gore is going to be the nominee, and the next President of the United States.

There. Problem solved.

[mdmc]

13. as a liberal progressive I am standing firm behind

AL GORE! (I voter for Nader in 1996 and 2000, Kerry in 2004). I like Gore / Clinton...

[Why Syzygy]

27. I would go for Gore in a heartbeat. n/t

[tabasco]

17. I hear McCain has a love child with a black girl.

Some republican told me. :shrug:

[catmother]

20. that was brought up before. i believe the child was adopted. but

as an arizonan i've also heard that he has a hard time keeping his zipper up. and his wife cindy is quite beautiful and much younger than him.

[tabasco]

26. Actually, the Bush campaign spread this lie during the primaries.

When Bush was running against McCain for the nomination. The Bush campaign conducted a push poll. One of the questions was "Would it influence your vote if you knew John McCain had an illegitimate child with a black girl.?" Or something to that effect.

It amazes people how McCain cuddles up to Bush after Bush pulled stuff like this.

[catmother]

39. yeah it makes me sick. at first i thought mccain was just being

loyal to the party, but he's a phony.

[entanglement]

25. No, he adopted a child overseas

In 2000, someone started the rumor that the child was illegitimate. Probably cost him the support of (numerous) racists and fundies.

[tabasco]

28. The Bush campaign spread this lie about McCain.

When Bush was running for the nomination. They did it by phone calling and a push poll that implied McCain had an illegitimate child. Now McCain cuddles up to Bush. Disgusting lack of moral fiber or pride.

[catmother]

21. hillary has never said she'll run. she's not my choice, but if she's

the nominee she'll get my support. sure would be nice to have big dawg back. i wonder how involved he would be if she's president. his plate is full right now.:bounce:

[edbermac]

29. Rudy's ex will shred him...

[Mz Pip]

34. Go Donna!

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Could be very entertaining!

:popcorn:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[SoCalDem]

38. Try SEVENTEEN years of carping against her..

or more.. Thank the "liberal media"..:(