Israeli Sub Fleet Chief: We can hit targets overseas

[RedOnce]

Sub fleet chief: We can hit targets overseas

2.28.06
In exclusive interview with Ynet, commander of army's most advanced, secret war machine fleet says submarines may be used in missions abroad.

"Submarines may be used for hitting strategic targets outside Israel's territory, chief commander of the IDF's submarine fleet, Colonel Yoni, stated. "The submarine task force is preparing for any scenario the State of Israel has defined as plausible for the army," he added.

In an interview with Ynet, Colonel Yoni revealed some of the capabilities of the Israeli army's most hi-tech and secret war machine, and hinted to the possible role of subs in future military disputes.

Nuclear capabilities?
While Colonel Yoni's statements are shrouded in mystery, publications in the foreign press have already hinted Israel's Dolphin submarines have the ability to carry and launch nuclear weapons, a capability that will be put to use should the country's nuclear ground bases are hit in a surprise attack."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3221853,00.ht...

In an earlier article titled:

Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Guardian Unlimited - October 12, 2003

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.

The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states 'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its territory again. According to Israeli and Bush administration officials interviewed by the Los Angeles Times, the sea-launch capability gives Israel the ability to target Iran more easily should the Iranians develop their own nuclear weapons.

Although it has been long suspected that Israel bought three German diesel-electric submarines with the specific aim of arming them with nuclear cruise missiles, the admission that the two countries had collaborated in arming the fleet with a nuclear-capable weapons system is significant at a time of growing crisis between Israel and its neighbours.

According to the paper, the disclosure by two US officials is designed to discourage Israel's enemies from against launching an attack amid rapidly escalating tensions in the region following a raid by Israeli jets on an alleged terrorist training camp near the Syrian capital, Damascus. In a clear echo of the Bush doctrine of pre-emption, the Foreign Ministry's senior spokesman, Gideon Meir, insisted: 'Israel views every state that is harbouring terrorist organisations and the leaders of those terrorist organisations who are attacking innocent citizens of the state of Israel as legitimate targets out of self defence.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,69...

[redphish]

1. Sad part is, if we quit supporting them, they wouldn't think twice

about using them on us.

[Tom Joad]

2. Ask the survivors of the USS Liberty.

[Coastie for Truth]

14. Let's ask them

You might try reading The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship by United States Navy Captain (O-6) A. Jay Cristol.

The Liberty Incident was a classic and tragic screw up by the bureaucracy of the "Chief of Naval Intelligence." It was exactly like the USS Pueblo incident in February 1968.

It came from the Intelligence Community's blind adherence to the tool of "Specially Compartmented Information" which drove the "Intelligence Navy" to use a slower - and separate and distinct - telecom net then the "working navy." The "Intelligence navy" had mis-identified Liberty as a "false flagged Russian intelligence trawler" and as an Egyptian Troop Ship. This is the information that was passed to the Israelis up and down the chain of command - from the Sixth Fleet in Naples to the Chief of Naval Operations in Arlington -- "Not ours - it's a false flagged Egyptian troop carrier or a false flagged Russian intelligence trawler."

This was exactly the same kind of "compartmentalized information" screw up that resulted in the loss of the USS Pueblo in February 1968.

And, it was exactly the same kind of "compartmentalized information" misinformation screwup plus subsequent cover up that almost killed my dad when his intelligence gathering aircraft went down at sea -- and the "intelligence navy" denied that they even had an aircraft out there.

Don't take my word - try reading The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship by United States Navy Captain (O-6) A. Jay Cristol.

[acmejack]

3. Read up on the USS Liberty.

We don't even have to stop.

edit to add link: http://www.ussliberty.org/

[redphish]

4. Thanks, but I'm already too familiar with that sickening episode.

[acmejack]

7. I'd be surprised if was limited to only Harpoons.

Honestly, I had expected the DOD to have provided them with the front line hardware.

[Coastie for Truth]

12. Hey swiftie

You are linking to a Joe Corsi- LT Jim Ennes "Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth" site -- Ennes is identified with our friend - and Kerry's friends, the Swifties.

I would recommend that you check out The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Shipby United States Navy Captain (O-6) A. Jay Cristol. This was a major "Chief of Naval Intelligence" screw up - exactly like the USS Pueblo incident in February 1968 (exactly the same kind of "compartmentalized information" screw up - and exactlt the same kind of "compartmentalized information" plus subsequent cover up that almost killed my dad).

"Coastie"
LT USCG "Semper Par"

[leveymg]

5. That scenario's not very realistic. The real danger is a war w/Iran

would quickly escalate into an exchange of Iranian CBW and Israeli nuclear weapons in a regional war. That's not an outcome that remotely serves American interests. This is why the Joint Chiefs of Staff opposed any strike against Iranian sites in 2004, and nothing has changed since.

There's a great big psywar campaign going on, but the Generals are not crazy enough to start a World War.

[Selatius]

8. There has to be regional disarmament talks.

In all honesty, nobody besides those in the NPT should be allowed to have nuclear weapons, and the NPT states that those states that are legally recognized as having nuclear weapons should make a full faith effort to dismantle them. Both Israel and Iran are on the wrong side with respect to WMDs.

[leveymg]

9. I agree. But, nothing in the world is going to stop both from nuclear

programs.

Israel has to grow up and accept the inevitability of the same MAD constraints that have kept the rest of the nuclear club nations from warring with each other.

Israel will not keep its regional monopoly on nuclear terror. Besides, if they can live with the Sunni (Pakistani) bomb, they can learn to live with the Shi'a (Iranian) version.

We'll have to insure that Israel doesn't preempt Iran, lest Pakistan get into it. Even if Pakistan were to stay out of an Iranian-Israeli WMD exchange, there would be terrible longterm effects on US national security. Radiological dirty bombs are easy to make and the materials are readily available all over the world. That's the other nuclear proliferation problem that we'll never be able to contain. What we can do is restrain our allies and prevent the sort of triggering incident that would provoke another almost certain mass casualty attack on the US.

I'm not convinced that we can't regain a role as an honest broker. But, first, we have to throw off Bush-Cheney and the neocons.

[Selatius]

6. The USS Liberty incident set the precedent already. They should pay for...

what they did to the people on the Liberty.

[adriennui]

10. did we pay for shooting down the korean plane and the iranian ship

[Selatius]

11. You're confusing an intentional attack with an accidental shooting.

Do yourself a favor and dig up testimony of the survivors of the USS Liberty.

[oneighty]

13. I saw the Liberty

in the Med on more than one occasion. The Liberty was a fixture in the Med. She was a strange looking ship, peculiar even. There is no way any military active in the Med could mistake her as anything other than the Liberty.

180

[Coastie for Truth]

18. On our Officer Candidate cruise

my ship, USCGC Courier, tied up along side Liberty. Didn't look that much different from a C2 class cargo ship with extra radio masts.

I have an "Underway Officer of the Deck Qualification Letter" (Coast Guard) -- plus a lapsed Third Mate's License and a current FCC GROL Maritime Radio License with a Radar Endorsement --- so I think I know a little bit about ships.

[oneighty]

19. No doubt you do

And so do I. A peculiar looking ship. The rigging gives her away as did her constant and well know purpose in the Med-a spy ship.

Israel's VERY WELL trained pilots are extremely proud of their expertise in their chosen profession. They did not make a mistake.

180

[Coastie for Truth]

17. Do your self a favor and

try reading The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship by United States Navy Captain (O-6) A. Jay Cristol and also Lloyd Bucher's book about how he was screwed by the "Intelligence Navy" when the Pueblo was seized.

[Coastie for Truth]

16. And, we also paid for the Liberty.

[Coastie for Truth]

15. Thank you

Please read The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship by United States Navy Captain (O-6) A. Jay Cristol. And also take a look at appends 12 and 14.