Jews

[salinen]

Superfucks: Krystol, Pipes, Pearle, Wolfie, Wiener/Savage, Horowitz..........

Superheros: Boxer, Feingold, Chomsky, Wellstone, Rhodes, Krugman..........

I find it interesting that there are such strong voices within the "Jewish Community" that are on opposite sides. Not that there are not other groups that resemble this difference, but Jews are a small percentage of the population. That's all.

[bullimiami]

1. we need the good ones to balance out the ultra-bastards i guess.

hey you forgot abramhoff.

[SoCalDem]

21. Only ONE group gets regualr air-time.. wanna guess which??..n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Ben Stein

[regnaD kciN]

3. To add to your list...

Superfucks: Schlessinger (i.e. "Dr." Laura), Medved
Superheroes: Lerner

Of course, I'm seeing it from an outsider's perspective, since I'm only half-Jewish, and the "wrong" half at that. ;-)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Sorry,

but there's no such thing as "half-Jewish." If your father is Jewish, all that means is that your father is Jewish. You're not.

It's a matriarchal descendant religion, and if your mother isn't Jewish, you're not.

It's also not an ethnicity like Hungarian or Flemish. It's a religion. Like no one is half-Baptist or half-Presbyterian.

[IChing]

9. So if my mother was one quarter jewish and half German, that means i am?

German or confused?
Reminds me of the hbo movie" conspiracy", where they discuss those points over a cigar and dinner
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2002/11/20/190729.php

and this post does make me cringe.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. Again,

you're confusing a religion - Judaism - with an ethnicity - German, Hungarian, Irish, etc.

Your mother was not one-quarter Jewish. She may have had a Jewish forefather, but if her mother wasn't Jewish, your mother wasn't Jewish. And that means you're not Jewish - at all.

There is no such thing as "part Jewish." That's like being "part atheist, part Baptist." Judaism is a religion, not a country.

You're either a Jew, or you're not.

See?

Yeah, it's a creepy post, isn't it?

[LisaL]

33. Boy, you sure know everything, don't you?

Back in Russia, they would put a "jewish" stamp in your passport. And I assure you, they weren't talking about religion.
And back in Nazi Germany, being a part Jewish would get you killed, no matter your religion. Who are you to tell people they are not Jewish?

[question everything]

25. Depends

I believe that some of the more progressive streams of Judaism have accepted patriarchal descent, as long as the child is being raised Jewish

[LisaL]

32. If it's a religion, then WTF does it matter who your father or

your mother is?

[coffeenap]

12. Laura was a false Jew, and has since become a born-again Xtian. nt

[Burning Water]

24. When did that happen?

I knew she had left Orthodoxy.

Does she eat bacon now? She once said that was the hardest part about being a religiously observant Jew.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

4. Jon Stewart.

Doh.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

6. How come

you didn't do a topic called "Christians"?

This kind of isolating gives me, an old Jew, the creeps, frankly.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

7. Stay tuned for the Gays and Blondes threads

I guess :shrug:

[Cassandra]

8. Do we have any blondes on our side?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

10. One off the top of my head

But the mere mention of her name is so polarizing that :hide:

I am dreading the Fat Old Anonymous Midwesterners of German Descent thread, myself. Will I be listed as a hero or a zero?


Edit to add: pun in subject line purely unintentional. I do that a lot.

[Cassandra]

17. Oh, yeah. Forgot about her.

[Blue_Tires]

13. last i saw

Janeane Garofalo dyed her hair blonde, lol

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. Oh, crap.............

Don't make this old Italian Jew have to go up there and beat the crap out of her.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

19. ::::: shudder :::::::

OK, it's not just me.

Nice monicker, by the way. I just started re-reading the Rumpole series, so She is quite prominent in my mind these days.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

39. hee hee

SWMBO was suggested as an ID by the only person to whom it applies - The Magistrate. And he does obey me. When he feels like it.

I too am uncomfortable to see the friend-or-foe sorting of a group that is so often attacked. It's not good to compare, say, Wolfowitz and Wellstone because they share one commonality. I mean, Rush Limbaugh and I are both fat but I would be really pissed off if someone tried to draw any other comparisons.

OTOH, Al Franken would be really pissed off that he hasn't been mentioned yet as a superhero.

[pretzel4gore]

11. we're all related!...and adam and eve were jewish!

sons:
abel=good jew, cain=bad sumbitch!
& imagine, we're all related to Geeb (brother of john ellis bush, or 'jeb')!!
:(
:cry:

[DavidDvorkin]

14. I wanna see a thread about ex-Jews

Because we're all great!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

22. There's no such thing as an ex-Jew

Like there are no "ex-Catholics," only "lapsed Catholics."

No such thing as an "ex-Marine," either, I'm told.

[DavidDvorkin]

35. Of course there are ex-Jews

I'm one.

Judaism is a religion, nothing more. If one ceases to believe in and practice that religion, then one is no longer a member of it.

I wrote about this here, and I occasionally get e-mails from other ex-Jews expressing relief that others feel the same way.

[LisaL]

36. It's not "just a religion".

[DavidDvorkin]

38. Yes, it's just a religion

There's no genetic component.

[LisaL]

40. Oh really?

No genetic component? Well, it sure as hell wasn't considered just a religion back in Russia.
Do you think that when nazi Germany was killing off jews, they would leave the ones who didn't believe in God alone?

[northofdenali]

41. I can buy that, but one thing I don't understand

is how a genetic disease like Tay-Sachs can be identified as a primarily Jewish genetic disease (like Sickle Cell anemia in blacks), if Jewish is not genetic. For example:

RECESSIVE DISEASES SUCH AS Tay-Sachs often occur more frequently, though not exclusively, in a defined population. A person's chances of being a TSD carrier are significantly higher if he or she is of eastern European (Ashkenazi) Jewish descent. Approximately one in every 27 Jews in the United States is a carrier of the TSD gene. This is from the National Tay-Sachs & Allied Diseases Association, http://www.ntsad.org/ .

I am not disagreeing, because I don't know enough about the issue to disagree. I am just curious.

[LisaL]

43. It's obviously not just a religion.

"Who is a Jew? (Hebrew: ?מיהו יהודי) is the name of the religious, social and political debate on the exact definition of which persons can be called Jewish. As Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, a religion, an ethnicity, and a culture, the definition of who is a Jew may vary, depending on whether a religious, sociological, or national approach to identity is used. "Who is a Jew?" has also become a well-known rhetorical question within Judaism, referring to a cultural and religious battle to define who can be described as truly being a "Jew" and what the "correct" definition for being "Jewish" actually is."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Jew

[Behind the Aegis]

44. Well done! Brava!

:applause:

[IChing]

50. So I'm still confused on which line I should stand in when the trains come

JEW, German or a member of the human race?

YIKES, what a thread by the OP.
then there is my other ethnic and religious heritages also.

Now, where are those blond jokes when you need them or for that matter
lawyer jokes.
No offense
LOL

[Behind the Aegis]

52. G-d forbid the trains come again...

...I am guessing the 1/8 rule would apply. Then again, if they were to come again, I don't think it will be just us Jews rounded up, it would be much like Nazi Germany, all dissenters and those of "impure" heritage would "have to go!"

[Spider Jerusalem]

45. Generations of intermarriage...

within a relatively closed society lead to greater expression of otherwise recessive genetic abnormalities (see for instance the incidence of genetic disorders among the Amish). Jews, for millenia, married primarily within their own communities, there being a stigma attached to marriages between Jew and gentile thanks to Christian persecution and ostracism of Jews, and conversely thanks to Jewish efforts to maintain the Jewish character of their society in the face of the aforementioned persecution and ostracism; intermarriage was VERY infrequent, as both parties would be rendered pariahs in their respective communities.

In Eastern Europe, the primary unit of Jewish society was the shtetl...a small village, where there was much intermarriage in family lines extending back many generations, but there was ALSO some limited amount of exogamy (marriages being contracted in the next village over, etc). So through this limited exogamy, recessive genetic traits spread among the Jewish population of Eastern Europe, BUT the greater tendency to intermarriage among these populations made the chance of two carriers of a recessive gene marrying (and thus having offspring with a particular genetic disorder) much greater.

[LisaL]

46. Again, Nazis send millions of jews to concentration camps-

not worrying one fig about their religion.

[Spider Jerusalem]

47. ???

What the hell are you talking about? I was answering a question regarding why some genetic disorders are considered "primarily Jewish", which has to do with population dynamics and marriage patterns, not religion.

[LisaL]

49. And I am saying many countries consider being Jewish an

ethnicity.

[northofdenali]

51. Thank you all.

I'm a lapsed Catholic/agnostic/dunno but I find the Jewish religion fascinating, and have ever since I was a kid and read Leon Uris' "Exodus" (6th grade required reading in my Catholic school) and Michener's "The Source".

The Jewish population here in Alaska is very small but my husband's coworker from California is Jewish, and there's times when my husband feels he is on shaky ground because he knows so little about the religion. We're both trying to learn more.

[coffeenap]

15. Christians. Muslims. Agnostics. Hindus. Wiccans.

Each person is an individual. Period.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. But, you have to admit,

freepers are all assholes.

[barb162]

27. yep

[BlooInBloo]

31. LOL!

Yah, there's no such thing as groups or their history!

No such thing at all.

How's the sand down there?

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

16. Quantity Surveyors.

Please nominate your Superfucks & Superheros.

I find it interesting that there are such strong voices within the "Quantity Surveying Community" that are on opposite sides. Not that there are not other groups that resemble this difference, but Quantity Surveyors are a small percentage of the population. That's all.

:eyes:

/I'm not usually a fan of "copycat" posts like mine, but the OP is just begging for parody.

[barb162]

26. Uh, are you going to do one of these on Lutherans or Hindus

or Moslems or Bahai. Not that I want you to do so because I don't

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. There A Reason You Consider Jews To Be Different Then Any Other Goddamn

group?

Jews, checker players, Saxophonists, auto makers, dog owners, tv watchers, coffee drinkers etc, any one from any of those groups can have different opinions on anything. It's called we are all individuals. Not sure I get your point, or motivation for finding fault or curiosity with this difference of opinion between Hebrews.

[barb162]

29. This thread is , putting it mildly, really disappointing

I am shaking my head... in disbelief.

[salinen]

30. Only that Jews are not so numerous

but some are very visible. BTW I'm Jewish. The neocon movement is dominated by Jews. And the Civil rights movement is very populated with Jews. Nothing to say other than it's curious.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. You Didn't Answer Why. Why Is It Curious? Why Would You Expect Jews To

have any less ability to think for themselves and garnish individual opinions than any other group? Why is it curious at all that some come from opposite sides on different issues?

Sorry, but this whole argument makes no rational sense to me whatsoever.

Fuck it though, the NyQuil is kickin into overdrive now. Time for bed.

[Synnical]

34. I'm an atheist - My Brain is about to explode

If anyone again posits the idea that Organized Religion helps humanity and our Earth.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. Perhaps...

...the reason that Jews have such a strong voice is because when we are silent we die! I cannot agree with those on the "superfuck" list on most occasions, but I do know that we are tied to together by our religion. Like any group, we have our 'good guys' and 'bad guys.' We also have our share of traitors and opportunists.

Perhaps the better question is, why are people so interested in pointing out the number of Jews that are neo-cons, but often say nothing about the other Jews who do good work? To me, this smacks of pointing out the number of criminals who happen to be African-American, as if it is an indicator to the predilection of AAs. Although this post does point out the "good" Jews, to me that is also some what problematic.

I am not really sure what your point was and I know that you are also Jewish, but this post has a very creepy feel too it.

[Jim Sagle]

48. Hogwash!

[Moderator]

53. Locking

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