Anyone else troubled that Bush and Blair claim to converse with God?

[NNN0LHI]

Poll question: Anyone else troubled that Bush and Blair claim to converse with God?

Not your boilerplate praying to the Lord kind of stuff either. But the actual hearing voices from God telling them that they should go to war kind of stuff. I mean these guys are in charge of world ending nuclear arsenals and they both claim that they are having personal chats with the big kahuna. Holy Jesus! I mean if it were a relative of mine my family would be considering a stay in a psychiatric ward if they said they were hearing voices.

Last person I can remember hearing voices was Son Of Sam.

[niyad]

1. I keep saying that MOST people who think god speaks to them are

safely tucked away in the Happy Dell Home, and aren't allowed to play with sharp objects, much less things that go BOOOOOM

[dchill]

2. Even assuming it's possible...

I wouldn't believe it of either of those two. What can God possibly be saying to them? Please stop?

Jesus.

[bluerum]

3. When I hear someone say something like that I usually just walk away.

Unfortunately - I am a victim of circumstance in this case. Forced to witness monumental stupidity enacted in Gods name.

:grr:

[BringEmOn]

4. I'm wondering from whom is gawd receiving the bad intel.

[Ufomammut]

5. Yes

Psychotic? Pathological? Or just appropriately banking on masses of delusional people buying it hook, line and sinker? That's the part that scares me.

Actually, I believe that "god," whatever you take that to be/represent, communicates with and through us within many of our common experiences. It depends on our ability to acknowledge ...sort of a spiritual awareness, third eye of enlightenment, open to potential, or blind, that the favored modus vivendi prevents us from being in tune with, ensures individuated and collective blindness.

[undeterred]

6. Its a sign of mental illness.

Really.

[charlyvi]

7. God is probably shocked. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

8. Nah. He's used to it.

One of the primary purposes of religion throughout history has been to whip up the masses for war... God's been hearing what gw has been spewing for a looooonnnnng time now....

[originalpckelly]

9. Are we supposed to be fighting against religious extremists?

I stumbled across this:
http://www.policyreview.org/dec04/schall.html

It made me really wonder if normal people are caught in a holy war. I mean the official statement is that the Islamic extremists are the ones who think it is a holy war, and we are the serene United States who is just fighting terrorism. I am beginning to wonder. Fear is what makes people run away from a fight, hatred is what makes them stay and duke it out.

[Ufomammut]

12. The real terrorists...

Have always been in DC. And that's why they use religion as a mask to cover their evil shit - because lots of ignorant people buy into it.

[timtom]

10. I voted "no"

because I simply don't believe that either of them believes that they talk to God.

I think it's a cheap stunt on their part, just as everything they say or do for public consumption is a cheap stunt.

IF they happen to believe that they are communicating with God, I still don't care, because they are non-beings as far as I am concerned.

It's simply ludicrous, that's all.

[bee]

11. lol. Son of Sam... and wasnt it a DOG that talked to him?

maybe he was just dyslexic? :shrug:

[mb6578]

13. another example of blair eating out of bushes ass

next thing you know he will be pro business socialist, murdoch loving and running a party in scandal... oh wait a minute!

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. To give him his due, I don't think Blair has claimed God talks to him

He admitted he prayed about invading Iraq, and has said God will judge him about it, but I don't think he's ever claimed to have got the go-ahead from above.

(Though that does leave open the 'Homer Simpson' scenario - something along the lines of "Dear God, if you don't want me to eat this doughnut/invade Iraq, give me a sign in the next 2 seconds ... Thank you. {munch})

[mr blur]

15. Well, much as I despise Blair,

he didn't claim any such thing. If you're going to criticise something, get the facts right first. He never claimed "hearing voices from God telling them that they should go to war". He said that he accepted he would have to face his god's judgement for his decision. Now to me that's just as much garbage as in your claim but that's what he said and it's not quite the same thing, is it?.

You're confusing him with the vicious moron who has his boot on the neck of your sad country.

[NNN0LHI]

16. Actually Blair said God assisted him in deciding to invade Iraq. See...

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/03/04/blair.god/

LONDON, England -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair says God and history will judge whether he was right to go to war in Iraq, according to the transcript of a television interview to be broadcast Saturday.

In a rare reference to his Christian religious faith, Blair told broadcaster Michael Parkinson he had struggled with his conscience over the decision.

When asked about sending troops to Iraq, he said: "That decision has to be taken and has to be lived with, and in the end there is a judgment that -- well, I think if you have faith about these things then you realize that judgment is made by other people," he said.

Asked to explain what he meant, Blair replied: "If you believe in God, it's made by God as well."

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. That link backs up mr blur's position, not yours

Read it again, and you'll see there's nothing about God assisting him. It's about God judging him.

[shadowknows69]

18. "When The President Talks to God"

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our womens' rights
Or to send poor farm kids off to die?
Will the president recommend an oil hike
When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God
Are the words he chooses hard or soft?
Does he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where the prison's built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop

We should find some jobs, the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
When they pick which country should we invade
And which Muslim souls still can be saved?
Yeah I guess God just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels down in the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?
I doubt it
-Bright Eyes

[dchill]

19. OK, so maybe he's not claiming that God...

talks to him, but he's sure enough laying part of the blame for the Iraqabortion at the Big Guy's feet.

"If you believe in God, it's made by God as well." He's not talking about being judged, per se, but using "judgment" as a synonym for "decision." Therefore he is saying that it was God's decision to kill thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Just sayin'.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. No, he's talking about 'judgement' by other people, history, and God

Transcript:

Tony Blair: "That decision has to be taken and has to be lived with, and in the end there is a judgement that, well, I think if you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people, and also by..."

Michael Parkinson: "Sorry, what do you mean by that?"

Blair: "I mean by other people, by, if you believe in God, it's made by God as well and that judgement in the end has to be, you know, you do your...

"When you're faced with a decision like that, and some of those decisions have been very, very difficult, as I say, most of all because you know there are people's lives, not just, this isn't a matter of a policy here or a thing there but their lives, and in some case, their death.

"The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing according to your conscience, and for the rest of it you leave it, as I say, to the judgement that history will make."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4773874.stm

He's not saying that 'other people' made the decision to invade (he wouldn't admit that it was Bush, not him, who was controlling British foreign and military policy), and he's not saying that 'history' made the decision to invade Iraq. The decision "has to be lived with", and "in the end there is a judgement" - ie after the invasion.

[sutz12]

20. "Excuse me, sir....

but I talk to God all the time and he never mentioned you." -- Gaston, Ladyhawke