Feingold/Censure Thread 2

[dubyaD40web]

Frist is "crying". Russ has 25 minutes.

[liberal N proud]

1. What is this bull shit from Santorum

[JWS]

149. Santorum is about to lose his job

So he thinks he can say whatever he wants.

[MissB]

2. Can you change your title to thread 2?

The original one is getting really long.

[uppityperson]

3. make it thread 2 since we've had a bunch of 1s already

[sazemisery]

11. Arlen Spector is a dick

[me b zola]

21. Yeah, as if he didn't read the resolution on-line!

Go Russ, go!!!!!

[EFerrari]

24. It's his job. n/t

[Teena]

156. I emailed Specter...

with some choice words last night and low and behold, it didn't go through. Gee, I'm so surprised.

[sazemisery]

4. here we go.....

[dubyaD40web]

5. Here's the Senator!!!

[Fleshdancer]

6. Can they interupt him like that?

I've never seen that before.

[dubyaD40web]

10. WFT?

That's B.S.!!! Taking time away from him.

[nascar55]

12. yes

[benny05]

69. Welcome to the DU

:hi:

[Teena]

157. Overgrown children...

Specter was positively rude. It's time to stop paying these clowns to ruin our country. Fire all the rotten ones!

[astroBspacedog]

158. Interruption is the Republican Solution !!

When getting cornered in a debate. Then ---- change the subject to Bill Clinton.

[JesterCS]

7. lol

They are at each other's throats.. its great times in the Senate =D

[realFedUp]

8. "When the President of the United States breaks the law"

he must be held accountable."

[realFedUp]

15. and Arlen Spectator pipes up....gimme my copy!

[JohnnyCougar]

75. What a dick.

[realFedUp]

27. I'd like to see that headline on every front page of every newspaper

"When the President of the United States breaks the law,
he must be held accountable."

[realFedUp]

34. at a minimum a Congress should censure....nt

[liberal N proud]

9. How many times with the repukes interrupt?

[Sydnie]

13. Specter is acting like Russ has a hold of the last hot dog

at a barbeque. What an ass!

[Drum]

14. Spectre interrupts...needs to see the speech before it's delivered...

Feingold takes a mulligan and begins again....

[liveoaktx]

16. Good for him STARTING OVER

[Roland99]

29. That's awesome!

[leftchick]

17. specter is a dick wad

trying to take away his time by interrupting Russ. :grr:

[Dinger]

112. I Think he Got His Time Back - Specter Looks Like He's At A Loss

Weak ass, transparent attempt to cut Russ's time.:rofl:

[caledesi]

124. FeignGOLD is way ahead of them (just like Clinton). He probably

anticipated all the shit the repugs were going to try to stop or intimidate him and that's why he was so ready to ask for his 25 min to begin again. He knows this thugs.

[malaise]

18. On Cable as well CNN n/t

[The Witch]

22. w00t!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[malaise]

28. Fuggers cut it for the popinjays to chat.

[The Witch]

19. oh my dear future president

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[EFerrari]

40. Mine, too!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause:

[Peggy Day]

46. He does look presidential, doesn't he?

[caledesi]

127. Verty! nt

[Dinger]

119. Mine Too (From A Clarkie)

Damn, I LOVE Wes, NO exceptions, but Russ, . .. OH MY GOD!!!
This speech is HISTORIC!!!!!

[caledesi]

128. I like Wes too as well as Dean, Edwards, and Gore. Definitely

thinking about a new ticket: We have some great people.

[Coexist]

20. Holy cow - ya'll were busy.

[Hissyspit]

23. "his actions will not be allowed to stand unchallenged"

[babylonsister]

25. History in the making here? I'm glad this is goin' on! nt

[understandinglife]

36. Yes, In_deeds; this IS history; the history of "truth" vs "crimes"!!!

Peace.

[Coexist]

26. "while we know he was breaking the law"

"to continue his illegal conduct"

Keep telling the truth Russ!

[Hissyspit]

30. Feingold says "Spector held hearings" on spy program

[Roland99]

35. Held a circle jerk you mean?

[Coexist]

31. "Senator Byrd has proposed... independant commission"

"to investigate these actions."

[Coexist]

33. He said IMPEACHMENT!!!!!

[Roland99]

Byrd wants an independent commission to IMPEACH?!???!

[Coexist]

45. sorry - no - Feingold was laying out all options

Byrd wants Intelligence Oversight to investigate, feingold said it was an impeachable offense.

[Roland99]

61. Feingold actually said the wiretapping was an impeachableoffense?

It's not listed in his speech so I wonder if he grew some 'nads??


Oh wait...yeah I see that line in his speech now.

[Coexist]

92. glad you found it.

[dubyaD40web]

32. "ignores the rule of law"

[Greeby]

37. The I word on the floor of the Senate

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[ClintonTyree]

38. "Recklessly grabs for power"............

"and ignores the rule of law"! Hoo-yeah! :woohoo:

[ClassWarrior]

110. Sounds like Russ has been taking his Lakoff pills...

LOL

NGU.

[me b zola]

39. "our founders anticipated that these types of abuses would occur"

Reading from the Federalist Papers.

[Hissyspit]

41. "branches must check each other"

[Coexist]

42. "we are faced with an exec. branch that feels it is above the law"

"his actions must be checked and he should be censured."

Yes.

[Fleshdancer]

We are faced with an Executive branch that places itself above the law

:bounce:

[realFedUp]

43. Senator Feingold's speech at this link

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/03/2006313.html

[Hissyspit]

Thank You!

[Roland99]

Longer speech than I thought it would be. Excellent read!

It seems like there's enough in it to justify an impeachment hearing...fuck this censure!

[Pacifist Patriot]

141. Do both.

Censure now and impeach as soon as the Democratic majority is sworn in in January 2007.

[realFedUp]

56. Maybe someone should tell Mr. Spectator that the speech is posted

on Feingold's website.

[calmblueocean]

Woot!

Thanks!

[Dudley_DUright]

60. Thanks so much RFU

[wicket]

77. Thanks so much!!!

:kick:

[suffragette]

78. Thanks

will bookmark that and email it out

[mmonk]

97. Thanks

[lonestarnot]

151. Thanks realFedUp!

[lonestarnot]

152. Wooohoooo Feingold, a man to whom the Constitution is not just a GD piece

of paper, demonstrating patriotism at its finest!

[suffragette]

44. we are faced with an executive branch that places itself above the law

[Coexist]

47. we all liked that line!

LOL!

[Coexist]

55. "its pretty simple, the President has broken that law"

that alone is unacceptable, ...(but he also) misled the Congress and the American people."

[suffragette]

63. Yes, we loved that one

:)

[C_U_L8R]

48. Thank God for Russ Feingold

A man with the courage to speak truth to power

[babylonsister]

49. Feingold is laying it ALL out in simple terms. Lovely! nt

[Kolesar]

50. Wonderful historical recitation--Great speech, Senator Feingold....eom

[EFerrari]

51. God, a clear reasonable voice raised on behalf of the law.

:loveya:

[uppityperson]

52. of course we should wiretap terrorists, we have a law saying how to

and pres doesn't follow the law

[rodeodance]

53. not only break the law-he mislead the congress and the people.

[rodeodance]

58. He violated the trust of the American people

[suffragette]

54. He must be held accountable for his actions

Go, Russ

[babylonsister]

57. Fundamentally violated the trust of the American people! nt

[Hissyspit]

59. Bringing up Bush's LIES

about getting the court orders for wire-taps

[uppityperson]

64. Crime to do what bush did, as well as lies.

very good

[dubyaD40web]

62. Russ is speaking very "presidential"

I LIKE IT!!!

[rodeodance]

65. says Pres. went out of his way to say that he was getting a warrent in

his speeches.

[dave29]

66. please tell this lowly cubefarmer that Repubs are shifting nervously

in their seats

[Coexist]

71. can't see anything but Russ, sorry.

[caledesi]

129. I think they are angry bec they could not bully/intimidate Russ from

making this historical speech.

[Kare]

136. It was wonderful

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :patriot:

[Coexist]

67. on 7/14/04 in my home state, he said ...(wiretapping) requires a

court order."

Laying out Bush's quotes on the matter. Way to go.

[Beelzebud]

68. Look! You see that? It's LEADERSHIP! Thank you Wisconsin!!!!

Russ Feingold may be what we've all been waiting for.

[EFerrari]

74. Right on! THIS IS LEADERSHIP. n/t

[Coexist]

76. THANK YOU WISCONSIN!

I am usually just embarassed by my leadership from Florida.

How nice it must be to have him represent me.

[JohnnyCougar]

82. Wisconsin thanks you!!

And so does Russ! Contact your senators and tell them to stand with Russ!!

[Roland99]

84. True leadership wouldn't be afraid to start articles of impeachment

WTF is a censure going to do?

[Beelzebud]

Oh STFU...

Seriously. take it somewhere else. Save the dem bashing for another day...

[Coexist]

LOL!

[Roland99]

134. Now is the PERFECT time to bash them.Let them know we won't stand for less

This is a farce.

[bpilgrim]

111. this is the first step, hello...

censure provides plenty of talking points for our side and plenty of embarrassing questions for the GOP.

peace

[Roland99]

133. Give me a break. Feingold said impeachment would be "radical"

The hell it would be!!


Where the hell is the Dem leadership? Just over 10% of the Dems in the House are behind Conyers.

[Pacifist Patriot]

143. It would be a radical move in a Republican held congress.

I suppose it depends upon how one is using the word radical. I think it is clear from the text of his speech that he considers impeachment a possibility.

As we move forward, Congress will need to consider a range of possible actions, including investigations, independent commissions, legislation, or even impeachment. But, at a minimum, Congress should censure a president who has so plainly broken the law.

"including...even impeachment" "at a minimum"

There is no excuse for any Dem in congress not to support a resolution of censure at this point in time. It is not a sign of weakness but of growing strength.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

130. Impeachment has to start in the house, I do believe

nm

[Pacifist Patriot]

142. It's political realism and true leadership understands how that works.

With a Republican controlled congress Censure is a much easier accomplishment than impeachment, but that doesn't mean it would be easy. A censure would even further erode whatever political capital Bush has left. It would be great during a mid-term election when impeachment isn't feasible. It does not rule out the possibility of impeachment, in fact it casts more light on the subject. It might spur a renewed investigation and examination of the program. It can certainly serve as a first step.

[dubyaD40web]

70. He brought up the Bush quote!

Go Russ GO!

[rodeodance]

79. yes, a couple of them-where Jr said Feds were getting warrents.

[dogday]

86. How do you spell Leader?

Russ Feingold.....

[rodeodance]

72. boy--Russ is laying it on.

[rodeodance]

73. Sweet music to my ears.

[Coexist]

80. ...sigh, I agree

"the President himself participated in this disinformation campaign."

better than drugs.

[jane_pippin]

85. I literally just ran home from work to catch this.

I'm so glad I did--it's worth being out of breath! He's on fi-ya! :bounce:

[ewagner]

125. I can hear the drums!!!!

To Arms (metaphorically) Patriots!

[Beelzebud]

81. Today it feels very good to be a Democrat!

[rodeodance]

90. oh and he is a handsome dude

[realFedUp]

100. It always feels good to hear the truth....

no matter what political party true Americans
belong to...

[FredStembottom]

139. It does...every time...again and again.

Like the most exquisitely effective medicine.:thumbsup:

[me b zola]

103. Yes it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

83. bet the WH staff is glued to the tube (not for Katrinia)

[Coexist]

87. "these are the judges ... has obtained thousands of warrants"

"almost never had a request rejected by these guys."

[wtmusic]

88. Russ ON FIRE!

This is what the country needs to hear.

[suffragette]

89. the president himself particpated in this disinformation campaign

well-said

[rodeodance]

98. now he is slaming the Attorney Gen. te he.

[Hissyspit]

91. Starting Thread 3 - this is filling up FAST

[dubyaD40web]

95. Go for it Hissy!

THX

[Hissyspit]

104. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x649207

[The Witch]

93. MY COMPUTER CRASHED arrrrrgh

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: went to a neighboring cubicle while my computer fried.......................

Russ. Say it. Say he LIEEEEEEEEEED.

[myrna minx]

94. I love you Senator Feingold.

:loveya:

[Catchawave]

96. Fantastic speech !

You could tell Frist didn't want him to give it :rofl:

Go Russ Go !

[rodeodance]

108. 'well, Mr. President.. that is riduculous"--te he --laughing at Pres for s

aying premisson was granted to do warrentless domestic taps when war resolution was taken.

[The Witch]

99. "He does follow it... except when he doesn't."

ain't that the truth!!!

[Rainscents]

101. WOW... He is great!

OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!!!

[WinkyDink]

102. Feingold/Fitzgerald '08.

A girl can dream, right?

[The Witch]

107. I say Feingold/Conyers

The two biggest sets of balls in Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ClassWarrior]

115. Amen. But let's first...

...win 2006. Remember: 15+6=2006

NGU.

[ripple]

122. You're right

First things first.

[selmo7]

148. I'm just catching up on this thread

and watching Feingold on canofun right now.

YES YES YES - that's the TICKET!
Two REAL MEN with BEAUTIFUL BALLS BALLS BALLS!!!!

[Dem2theMax]

150. I didn't get to read this thread until late in the evening,

but I have to say, LMAO at "The two biggest sets of balls in Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!" and oh how I agree with that! :) :) :)

[ripple]

114. Feingold/Obama '08!!!

:) That's the ticket!!!

Fitzgerald would be ok, I guess, but not until he's done sending the crooks to jail!

[Kare]

138. I really like the sound of that one too

Feingold/Obama

:love: :love:

[calmblueocean]

105. Russ is smokin'!!

This is quite a barnburner!

[leesfirstalso]

131. FEINGOLD

He's the man and the candidate for 2008 we need the unafraid because:
I AM DEMOCRACY!


I came from a proud family who were willing to sacrifice their very lives. In my early years they carefully nurtured me. My future prospects were healthy and bright, and I grew up with honor.


Now you see me before your eyes, ragged, dirty, abused and invisible to many Americans. Your present leaders have trampled on me, ignored and misused me, as apathetic Americans stand by watching. Your majority in Congress does not protect me.


Underneath the grime and misuse, I still have hope that you won’t let me die!

I AM DEMOCRACY AND I AM HOMELESS!

[DemonFighterLives]

154. Welcome to DU!

Feingold Rocks! He was on the same page as Wellstone! Rock on Russ!

[acmavm]

106. From what I've read in this thread we need to clone this guy.

.

[rodeodance]

113. Russ is effectively ridiculing the President. go Russ go.

[Beelzebud]

109. Feingold is laying this all out better than anyone I've ever heard!!!

Holy Shit this man is the real deal!!!!

Looking for a Democrat you can feel proud of? Here he is!

[rodeodance]

116. He is my Senator and I wholeheartedly agree.

[rodeodance]

121. slaming Gonzalas again.

[EFerrari]

117. This is THE END for Junior. Russ is taking him to the cleaners.

How long have we waited for this.

I'm flabberghasted. Russ is clear as a bell.

[The Witch]

120. except for maybe Al Gore

Ahhhhhh with all these men why can't we win an election?


oh. oh. oh. yeah. diebold.

[uppityperson]

118. THREAD 3 LINK HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x649207

[tinfoilinfor2005]

123. When this is over and Feingold is the hero

some of the other nervous nellie senators will be thinking, "Why didn't I have the guts to do that?" Wonder how they all will try to take credit?

[dwp6577]

137. I was thinking the same thing

Kind of risky, when you consider the mostly pussy democrats he's sitting around. If however, they (all dems who have a voice) rally behind him, he jumps to the head of the pack for pres 2008...He always seems to be the one speaking out...Keep up the great work!

I wonder if O'Reilly will approve :)

[nascar55]

126. here we go

[melissinha]

132. missed it, now listening to Reid on Inouye's wife

May she rest in peace, and that Mr. Inouye's find solace in the support of our country.

[radio4progressives]

135. According to AP Wire Story, Feingold gets "little support" from Dems

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/ap_on_go_co/feingold_censure

Feingold Draws Little Support for Censure

WASHINGTON - Democrats distanced themselves Monday from Wisconsin Sen. Russell Feingold's effort to censure President Bush over domestic spying, maneuvering to prevent a vote that could alienate voters. Republicans dared Democrats to vote for the proposal.

(snip)

Even as he spoke, Democratic leaders maneuvered to hold off the immediate vote that Majority Leader Bill Frist requested.

Throughout the day, Feingold's fellow Democrats said they understood his frustration but they held back overt support for the resolution.

Several said they wanted first to see the Senate Intelligence Committee finish an investigation of the warrantless wiretapping program that Bush authorized as part of his war on terrorism.

(snip)

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., said he had not read it either and wasn't inclined simply to scold the president.

"I'd prefer to see us solve the problem," Lieberman told reporters.

Across the Capitol, reaction was similar. Feingold's censure resolution drew empathy but no outright support from Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.

Pelosi "understands Sen. Feingold's frustration that the facts about the NSA domestic surveillance program have not been disclosed appropriately to Congress," her office said in a statement. "Both the House and the Senate must fully investigate the program and assign responsibility for any laws that may have been broken."

[peony]

140. I'd suggest calling Senator Feingold and thank him.

I think he would appreciate knowing he has our support.

[Pacifist Patriot]

144. I plan on calling Feingold to thank him and my two

senators to berate them.

[DemonFighterLives]

155. Ya got me!

:rofl: I think I would do the same.

[Loge23]

145. Frist's smokescreen: war

I am sick and tired of these idiots (Frist notably) claiming :
“It is addressed at attacking the president of the United States when we’re at war, when the president is leading us with a program that is lawful, is constitutional, that is vital to the safety and security of the American people.” - Frist's comments on the floor today

"we're at war": WTF is this?? We are at war because of Bush's lies. Don't throw the 9/11 BS at me either. Were we at war with anti-government kooks like Tim McVeigh after Oklahoma City?

"leading us..." Leading us??!! Leading us off a freakin' cliff!

"vital to the safety and security of the American people.” The only GD thing vital to my safety and security is to see fascist, anti-freedom, bastards like Frist and his ilk in jail.

I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE BASTARDS!!!

[ColonelTom]

146. Feingold's goal - bring the debate back to Bush's lies.

The point isn't to get 51 votes in the Senate - it's to force the MSM debate back onto the (largely forgotten) wiretapping issue and Bush's lies. Feingold, by introducing the censure, is daring Republicans to attack him. It's on a Monday, so he hopes to keep this going all week, and get plum spots on the Sunday pundit shows. If the story stays on the air for a whole week, Feingold's gambit is a winner.

Many, many thanks to Sen. Feingold for putting on the asbestos suit and staring down the flamethrowers! :patriot:

[tjwash]

147. Looks like Joe fucking Lieberman hit the two-fer today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=651284&mesg_id=651284">First backing the refusal to dispense birth control by hospitals to rape victims and the Feingold censure issue as well, where he said that "he wasn't in to scolding the President."

So let me get this straight Joe. Bush can piss on the constitution all he wants, and you are just fine with that, but Bill Clinton gets a blow job a few years ago and you are all over him?

Joe, just do us all a favor, and switch fucking parties. Please? And take Zell Miller with you?

[Swamp Rat]

153. It's a win/win!

;)

SUPPORT RUSS FEINGOLD!!!

[Imagevision]

159. Feingold Dem back-stabbers should be replaced in November

If the Dems jumped on this from the get-go it would have made Russ look like leader-material so I figure that's why Kerry-Hillary etc. remained in the "I don't support" group/

No wonder the repukes kick their asses!!!!!