VIDEO- Was this PUNK giving Feingold the Finger?

[liveoaktx]

Watch his hand

[WoodrowFan]

1. yep

sure was..

[liveoaktx]

78. Adding a SECOND VIDEO EXAMPLE I just did

It looks to me like he did it at least 3 more times. I also put two bits in this where it was ONLY his index finger OR his hand, so you can see the difference-watch how furtive he is.

[The Doctor.]

93. Thanks for that.

If it was intentional, the guy certainly wasn't trying to be obvious.
He's either well-practiced at surreptitiously flipping the bird, or he was tired and not paying attention to his actions.

I vote well-practiced. Keith Olberman should get this.

[samdogmom]

2. Yes, Yes he is! And, he's not even subtle!

[theHandpuppet]

3. Sure looks like it to me!

Who is that punk, anyway?

[Minnesota Libra]

4. The guy is DEFINITELY flipping Feinfgold off nt

[liberal N proud]

5. That is exactly what that little ass did,

He looked around to see who might see him.

Does anyone know who he is? I suppose he is either an aid or Senate employee, either way, he should be dismissed for such action.

[harpo]

6. who does this bitch work for?

[harpo]

13. watching it over and over, he lifted his hand with the finger pointed

so it WAS on purpose...please give this guy a one-way bus ticket home

[PA Democrat]

7. Sure looked like it n/t

[lpbk2713]

8. He's looking right into the camera.....n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. Here...

[leftchick]

12. that is unbelieveable!

unfuckingbelievable. And yet so very republican!

[Glimmer of Hope]

Classy! I wonder who he is?

[rniel]

21. probably some lobbyist for big oil or tobacco

I'd bet.

[katinmn]

54. A College Republican who lied on his resume (like all the rest of them)

[jane_pippin]

19. The adults are in charge! Yippeee!!!

:eyes:

[leftchick]

10. ABSOLUTELY!!

omg what a fuck head! NO ONE does that unintentionally!!! :argh:

[Arkansas Granny]

35. Exactly right. Everyone is "sensitive" to that gesture and unlikely

to make it by accident.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. Sign that fine young man up for a US Army 1 year tour of Iraq!

[tridim]

14. We need to ID him

and let him and the Pukes who made sure he was on camera have it.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. I'm glad he did it.

He'll get in trouble for it bringing more exposure to Feingold's cause. Idiot.

[WoodrowFan]

16. so, should I feel guilty

so, should I feel guilty that I flipped off Bush and his motorcade last week? It sure felt good. :evilgrin:

[greenbriar]

17. OH YES that is a deliberate flip off

for sure

[AllieB]

18. Someone should send that to Keith Olbermann

he'll have some fun with it. It may qualify for his "Worst Person in the World" segment.

[Catherine Vincent]

20. Can someone inform Keith about this?

I would email him but I'm at work right now. He could be one of the worst person of the world.

[oasis]

22. Nah.Although most folks use the heel of their hand to rest their head.

Plus,he wouldn't risk being banned from the chamber. It's a great place to be.:-)

[beyurslf]

23. How 8th grade is that!

[ChiciB1]

24. Oh This Is A REAL Coup!

Is he totally STUPID or WHAT???

We need to send this to MSM someway! Do they have it or not??

I was watching him for some time and he seemed irritated, but then I didn't know staffers sat back there like that!

If this hits the "big time" well WHOOOOOOHAAAAA!

What about Keith at Bloggerman???

[napi21]

25. I wish I could agree with you, but I think it's a stretch.

I know quite a few people who take poses like that in meetings. To me it indicates boredom, but I doubt it's flipping the bird.

[The Doctor.]

44. Then it's a VERY negligent pose...

'Mind thyself' on the nation's stage.

[napi21]

61. Oh absolutely! I hope lots of people send an email to Finegold

asking who this arrogant person was, and if he was in fact giving Russ the finger "on live TV!"

I have a feeling this might have been one of Russ' aids, and if so, he should be given several kicks for stupidity!

[sendero]

26. The dude..

... certainly looks like your prototypical Ferengi Republican. :)

[derby378]

27. Is there a saveable/downloadable version?

If so, please provide a link. Thanks!

[harpo]

29. record it next time and you will have your own copy

[derby378]

37. Some of us have to work during the day...

Not so easy to record when you're on the clock. That's why I ask.

[harpo]

39. if you can watch, you can record...at work during the day

[lpbk2713]

28. Thanks liveoaktx

You were there when we needed you.

:thumbsup:

[Jensen]

30. It would seem that he is part of the "Moral " mayority....

The like of Cheney F*ck statement in the Senate! They are Sick!:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. I was going to say they have graduated to a more subtle way of saying

fuck off.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. I Doubt It Highly.

Though I can't rule it out, from what I saw on video it looked like it was far more logical to be benign. THe man had no emotional reaction whatsoever, and the finger is angled anywhere near Russ. I myself when catch myself leaning on my hand like that all the time, and then after a while get self conscious thinking "I hope no one thinks I'm giving them the finger". But when I do it, I do it innocently and out of comfort and habit, not for anything vulgar.

I would say with 99% confidence this man was doing it innocently as well and wasn't giving anyone the finger.

Sorry :(

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Nope. I don't buy that.

He's just frustrated. It's the bird.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. That's Ok. A Lot Of People Wanted To Think * Flipped Off The Media That

time too, but it was just his thumb. I understand many will believe it was done with vulgar intent, and I can't blame them. I just know that when I watched the video for myself the vibe I got was that it was completely benign. As I said, the finger isn't even angled anywhere near Russ, so if it was with intent, why wouldn't you believe it was to whomever may have been sitting a few seats down to his left? I would think it was completely innocent. If some are to believe it wasn't, then they should also believe that it wasn't to Russ, but to someone off camera since the finger is no where nears pointed towards Russ.

[Catherine Vincent]

40. The video with Bush and the finger was suspect.

I didn't think he was flipping anyone off. But this guy definitely was flipping somebody off.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. Ok, If You Believe That, Are You Starting To Think That It Was At Somebody

else?

'Cause I'd be hard pressed to find reasons to believe the finger was angled anywhere near Russ. That's all I'm sayin.

[Catherine Vincent]

45. Well, it wasn't angled near anyone.

When you're somewhere in public and don't really want anyone to notice you giving someone the finger, you point it upwards...like what this guy is doing. He's being a sneak.

[harpo]

41. That's because BUSH DID FLIP us off...is this his THUMB?

http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17675

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. No LOL I Passed That Video Around Work So Much It Wasn't Even Funny!

[TomPainesBones]

47. I was was one of the 'thumb people' too

But this is different. What you call 'benign' I call passive aggressive. He KNEW he was on camera. He flipped the finger as subtly as he could. Any negative facial expression would give it away. He did it right after Feingold mentioned 'to control the abuses of government' and then addressed Bush with 'Mr. President.'

This was the finger. No doubt this time.

He didn't have to go all Johnny Cash to get his point across to his buddies. But it's subtle enough that he can claim exactly what you are claiming. Mind games baby, mind games.

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. Ooops Auto cache problem...but I'd say it's the bird.

Looks like he's angled toward Feingold to me...:shrug:

[harpo]

48. it was when he started talking about the equal power in the govt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

51. It Actually Isn't Angled Anywhere Near Him When You Watch The Video

No biggie though, to each their own! :)

[ScreamingMeemie]

52. funny thing is. I had to watch the video to take the picture. I watched

it about 6 times before I made the decision to take it. It's directed right at the Senator from WI. :shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. Ok To Disagree. As I Watched It Didn't Seem To Point Anywhere Near Him!

But it's all a matter of perspective I guess. No biggie :)

[harpo]

86. there were a few of the 5 times he did it that he was pointing at russ

[blogslut]

55. It's the finger

He thinks he's being sly but it's the finger. Notice how the guy eyeballs Feingold towards the start of that clip. That's the face of a boy that's feeling guilty.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. I Just Don't See That. It Looks Completely Innocent And That He's Just

leaning his head on his hand from what I gather. Of course it is the gesture of the finger, I'm not debating that, I'm just saying I don't think there was intent behind it and that it isn't pointing anywhere near Russ, that's all. :)

[harpo]

63. to each his own

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

70. Absolutely!

:hi:

[blogslut]

66. I don't know anyone

under the age of 60 that uses their middle finger in that manner. I mean, we had a biology teacher that use to point to stuff on the blackboard with his. He never understood why we giggled so.

But seriously, come on. That kid can't be more than 30 years old. You really think he doesn't know what he's doing?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Yes, I Do. As I Said Originally, I Lean Like That All Of The Time.

This really isn't that important of an issue though. No real biggie if you believe he was flippin the bird and I believe he wasn't. :hi:

[blogslut]

72. you're right

it's not that important. But it makes for great teevee. Brings attention to the Censure. I hope to see that finger on broadcast television soon. :)

[harpo]

87. I've tried it...doesn't seem natural to me

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

91. Fair Enough. Comfortable For Some, Not For Others. No Biggie.

[Kingshakabobo]

73. He looks at Russ, not once, but twice.

Also, I find it very suspicious how he, all the sudden, perks up to rest his head???

Doesn't make sense unless he planned on doing this.

It was deliberate.

[harpo]

75. deliberate MANY times...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. You're Right. How Dare He Look At The Guy Who's Speaking!

That seals it. That's proof. He actually LOOKED at the guy who had the floor. That's unheard of! That's the nail in his coffin, he was definitely flipping him off.

(sorry for the sarcasm, but I just found that argument really really funny :) )

[Kingshakabobo]

81. Your own words:

Your own words:

"As I Watched It Didn't Seem To Point Anywhere Near Him!":rofl:

The fingers were attached to his head. Of course he isn't going to take his hand off his head to flip the guy off. That would defeat the whole purpose of his stealth flip-off. The guy clearly perks up, puts the bird on his face and glares over at Russ not once but twice.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

83. Ahem. Point Is Something Done With a Finger. Look Is Something Done With

the eyes.

I hope in the future you will be able to discern the difference. :rofl:

I never said he didn't look at him. You'd expect somebody in the chamber to every so often look at the guy actually speaking, wouldn't you? LOL

What I DID say, is that the FINGER itself doesn't angle anywhere near Russ. There is a thread now with an additional video that is supposed to make the OP's point further, but I think it is even more apparent and logical proof that this was nothing but innocent.

Just my opinion though, I'm just trying to spare some from the embarassment of passing this on, if it does come out without reasonable doubt that it was obviously innocent. (like if it turns out the guy was Russ's aide or something lol)

[NJCher]

82. Your body language reading score is minus 10

As they say, don't quit your day job, because you'll never make it reading body language.

Some people are just clueless about body language and you're obviously one of them. But hey, it's OK! :)

I happen to be very good at reading body language and it is amazing to me that you can't see this man is seething with resentment. He's not bored. He's angry, but he's trying to hide it.

I'm sure that tonight he's with some of his other juvenile 30-something repuke buddies, chortling about this at a DC Happy Hour.

The basic problem with republicans is they are unable to achieve emotional maturity. This actually is a somewhat important instance because it vividly shows how immature they can be.

Yes, this is a gesture that people often use in meetings or to prop up their heads but they use the forefinger on the face, not the middle finger. Rarely, if ever the middle finger. Everyone in this culture knows what it means and sensible, mature people will not risk being misunderstood.




Cher

edited to add: OperationMindCrime, look at your own screen name. You have it in all caps. Do you not know that caps on the I'net means you are "screaming?" Are you oblivious to online body language, too?

Seriously--I don't mean to insult you but really, you don't get it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

84. LOL That's The Most Self-Righteous Yet Flawed Reply I've Ever Gotten!

:rofl:

Seriously! :rofl:

Sorry there Mrs ruler of body language, but I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Not only do I find you wrong in your own assessment, but I am quite capable of deciphering body language for myself and am competent to do so. To each their own analysis I guess.

As far as your empty attempt and psychoanalyzing me, well that was even more hilarious!

I have one reason and one reason only for the caps. A reason that comes in handy each and every day on DU. I did it to make my SN easier to find when I scroll down the post list at the top of each thread. Works like a charm, and I love it.

So no, he wasn't giving anybody the finger. Sorry! :)

[harpo]

88. yes he was

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

92. Was Not! Was Too! Was Not! Was Too! Was Not! Was Too! Was Not! Was Too!

:rofl:


I think that's about enough of the circular replies. We've both made our stance quite clear. :hi:

[NJCher]

96. thanks, you just proved my point

Nothing like damning yourself in your own words.

You just said you would rather send the wrong message to other posters (I'M SHOUTING!) than take advantage of the many other easier ways to find your own post on a thread. In other words, it's all about you and your needs and not what kind of a message you're conveying to others.




Cher

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. OMG ROFL!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ARE YOU SERIOUS? LOL I MEAN, YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS MELARCHY? LOL

WOW, I'M SPEECHLESS! LOL

SHOUTING WITH A SCREENNAME HANDLE. NOW THAT'S A NEW ONE! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

THANKS FOR THE MORNING LAUGH! I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OF YOUR COMEDIC PSYCHOANALYSIS ASSUMPTIONS. I BET THEY'RE ALL AS HILARIOUSLY SILLY AS THE ONE ABOVE! I LOVE IT! BRAVO ON THE COMEDY!

:applause:

[NJCher]

99. Here's more--laugh yourself sick

When you incorrectly spell words--common ones, like "malarkey"--you convey an unwritten message that you are not very well educated.




Cher

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

100. I'd Blow You Away In That Contest But Who Really Cares. LOL The Problem

is that you have such little to say in response that your only alternative was to find one misspelled word typed at 7:16 in the morning within 10 minutes of my being awake. Unfortunately, picking out one misspelled word and using that as substance for argument is the absolute weakest stance an opponent can take when it comes right down to it. It shows they had to resort to that logic because they had nothing of wit to come back with. I think you will find the overwhelming majority of DU'ers agree with that notion. So when it comes to unwritten messages conveying a lack of intellect there aren't many that can top using spelling as the counterpoint. With all due respect, of course. :hi:

[NJCher]

101. once again, you miss the point

Context.

I know that went way over your head.




Cher

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

103. Oh I Think I NAILED The Point Just Fine Thank You. LOL

But if it gives you some sense of purpose and feeling of superiority to bicker like this than by all means, don't let me stop you!

God bless you and goodnight anyway! :hi:

[thinkingwoman]

32. Isn't it great...

how the repukes have so much respect for this country and its government? :eyes:

[Catchawave]

34. Sent to Olbermann

:evilgrin:

He's opening his show with Censure tonight.

[Generic Other]

38. Arrogant little low level prick

How politically astute he thinks he is. He can go Fuck himself and his whole damn corrupt party.

Go Feingold!

[zulchzulu]

49. He was channeling King Chimp

When all else fails, act like a monkey.

[understandinglife]

50. I spoke to someone in Sen Feingold's office and sent them links to

the still photos in this thread and to the video.


Peace.

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Good for you, UL!

:thumbsup:

[Hubert Flottz]

57. It would be funny if Russ went and smacked him in the mouth.

On camera would be nice.

[Kolesar]

56. GOPs are going to run him for Senate in Florida...just watch

It does not take much qualifications to get that nomination

[mb7588a]

60. I checked my TiVo recording. He does it three times.

The first two are at the beginning of the speech, about a minute after Specter requested a copy of the Res.

[harpo]

65. now you make me want to go back and watch again

[onenote]

62. I'm going to be a contrarian here

But I've watched it several times, I've slowed it down, tried pausing repeatedly and it looks as likely as not that he is resting his head on TWO fingers, (his index finger and his middle finger) which is a pretty natural way of resting your head. Its not 100 percent clear, but his demeanor etc doesn't suggest to me that he was flipping anyone the bird. IMHO.

onenote

[ContraBass Black]

67. I don't see it either.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Woohooooo!!!!! Thanks For The Check On My Sanity!

:applause:

[ornotna]

74. I didn't want to believe you

But I think you're right. After seeing it more than once and at different speeds I would have to agree with you.

[countingbluecars]

85. I'm not convinced either.

[harpo]

89. try the video where he does it 5 times...

http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17708

[spanone]

64. I knew someone else would see it. He also yawned thru the speech.

[Name removed]

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[KAZ]

76. Oh puleeze. Little extreme, no? n/t

n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. YES!! Who is that punk?

[babsbunny]

90. That's what I do when I drive by someone with W on their car.

[burythehatchet]

94. The reason you KNOW he was flipping Russ off

When he did it he looked over to his left to see if anyone would notice his pathetic gesture.

[burythehatchet]

95. Absolutely no doubt after watching the second video

I wish we could get an ID of this little prick.

[MiniMe]

97. I flip * off when I see his motorcade drive by me building at work

on his way to Andrews. Does that make me a bad person.

:rofl:

[proud patriot]

102. I vote yes