VIDEO- that Punk WAS flipping off Feingold - Take Two

[liveoaktx]

Went back and looked and he flipped off Feingold multiple times

In this compile, which I didn't do transitions on, you can see how he looks around to see if anyone is watching and then brings his hand up. I also threw in two bits where it's his index finger or his entire hand, so you can see the difference. He's CLEARLY watching to see if he can get away with it.

First video clip on CanOFun is here-short, last flip off

[harpo]

1. this guy is soooo busted, I hope he enjoyed his last day

[tridim]

10. You really think he's going to be fired?

By whom? His Republican bosses?

They're probably forging a gold medal for him as we type.

[harpo]

40. even repukes have some lines they don't want crossed

hopefully he belongs to someone like spectre who would do something opposed to frist (the cat killer) who would do nothing

[Kurovski]

66. Like Cheney?

It's the "Go Fuck Yourself" syndrome on the Senate floor.

[harpo]

83. no, he has no morals whatsoever

[libhill]

73. If the shoe were on the other foot

he'd be busted as a "disrupter" - fucking hypocritical ass clowns.

[0007]

2. 'Tis hard to tell for sure......who is that guy?

[hang a left]

46. It is hard to tell.

It looks like the guy just fidgets alot with his hands. Not to bum anyone out. It just doesn't seem clear cut to me.

[American liberal]

74. did you watch the clip? It's obvious! who is he?! I'm telling his boss

first thing in the AM. That was dispicible (sp)!

[laundry_queen]

85. The video is pretty obvious.

I recognize the 'move' as it was a favorite of ours in middle school.
yep, dignity in the sentate.

[NMDemDist2]

3. who's the jerk do we know? n/t

[harpo]

5. we know he was in the senate chambers today, that should narrow it down

anyone know where we can get that list from?

[blogslut]

4. you rule

The dude is also using the shame move - hand covering face- In addition he's glancing over at the gal on the left to see if she's watching. Busted.

[tanyev]

6. I hope he has a family to spend more time with.

[blondeatlast]

11. He's looking for his wife and kids now--he knows he left them

somewhere!

[helderheid]

7. K & R and please sent to KO!

[Drum]

8. what a little bitch!

thanks for catching, and posting, this.

[JuniperLea]

9. So childish

My kids have a list of ways to flip people off like that... the push-your-glasses-back-up-on-your-nose flip off, the putting-on-lip-gloss flip off, etc. What a weenie.

[central scrutinizer]

34. reminds me of junior high school yearbook days

all of the boys would try to do something like this guy did whenever their picture was being taken. It meant major points if your "bird" made the yearbook. You would put your middle finger in your eye, scratch your nose, your knee, etc. and hope that the prinicpal missed it when he vetted all of the photos. This moran is truly adolescent.

[Nitrogenica]

12. WHO WHO IS THIS GUY!!!

[Marie26]

65. Could he have been a reporter?

I notice that the guy had 2 seperate passes, while the woman sitting nearby had none. One of those passes looked a lot like a press pass to me.

[understandinglife]

13. Earlier links sent to Sen Feingold's office. You should send them this one

... as well.


Peace.

[zoeb]

14. aaahhhh reminds me of the time Bush flipped off the press

corp. What is it with repukes that they can't express themselves verbally. How immature was that? It's scary to think we have these infantiles at the helm. I guess that explains why we are at war. "My bombs are bigger than your bombs" attitude.

[harpo]

15. You mean this pic?

[Salviati]

25. Man, the daily show bit almost writes itself

Run with that footage, Jon can remark about the chilish sophmoric nature of it, the staffer gets detention and sent down to the President's office who asks where this young man learned such behavior: Run the Bush footage and the punchline is "From you, OK! I learned it from watching you!"

[zoeb]

42. lol I forgot about that one

[hang a left]

48. No

I think he is talking about when ** and his gang of thugs were marching into the capitol building before the CAFTA vote, I think. We debated for days whether it was his middle finger, thumb, or a pen.

[harpo]

49. ahhh..not sure if I have seen that one

[hang a left]

59. this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4209787

[harpo]

60. Oh yeah..I remember that one. I determined it was his thumb

[hang a left]

64. I figured it for a pen. eom

[kestrel91316]

75. It was a pen being USED as a faux middle finger.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. Yup! That's The One! LOL Wasn't a Pen Though, It Was His Thumb.

It was 100% visible, unquestionable and apparent in the original tv feed that was shown on Olbermann etc... When viewing it on tv instead of online, it was so easily identifiable as his thumb it wasn't even funny.

[harpo]

84. yeah, the thumb...you had to watch him bring his hand up from his side

slow motion really kicks ass when looking at stuff like that :)

[liveoaktx]

16. I also wonder about the reputation of the Senate as being a STATELY

COURTEOUS body (although I guess Cheney started that down the wrong path with his Go Feck Yourself). Obviously that's just a myth and low-lifes inhabit the Senate chambers, too.

[harpo]

21. not while the radical right have power...the reputation is gone for now

[Tommy_J]

17. I don't know.....

I'll give the benefit of doubt for now. Could be just fidgeting a lot with no intended meaning. Heck, for we know he's Russ's staffer.

[IndyOp]

18. I am not sure he is flipping him off - he does have the second finger up

three times as you say, but he also has several full hand, and several first finger gestures too. While I did see him checking to see if the woman across from him was looking, she never did...

In other words: Maybe. I am not convinced.

:shrug:

[harpo]

20. actually, he did it 5 times...so it is crystal clear to me

[otohara]

19. Nobody Holds Their Head w/ Middle Finger

try it, it's quite awkward, not natural.

[Nitrogenica]

26. THIS IS HUGE!!!

The base says "F U"! Unfortunately the finger is pointed at the disapprovals, and we are the majority!

LOLOLOLS


Four More Beers

[leftchick]

30. I just asked my hubby the same

he is my devil's advocate... he agrees one finger is so unnatural and to do it six times? And his constant movement to position his finger. Totally intentional.

[harpo]

35. it just matters if thousands of people watching at home for 30 seconds

believe or not....perception IS reality a wise man once told me.

[FredStembottom]

50. I did that while I was watching, too.

...and seemed like something I had never done before. Uncomfortable.

[leftchick]

22. KO KO KO!!!!

Keith Olberman Needs to Show this tonight!!!!

[jimshoes]

23. This little punk thinks he's

being so slick with this little move. Like he thinks he's the first guy to ever think of this clever flip-off. Hope he gets fired.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

24. This One Settles It For Me Even More. No Way No How Is It Done With Intent

Not a shred of doubt in my mind that it is just innocent boredom. None in my mind whatsoever.

Obviously, most are going to disagree with me. But I'm attempting to be as objective and realistic as possible, and under that mindset don't think for a second this guy was doing anything with intent at all.

To each their own and Peace anyway! :)

[harpo]

27. We will agree to disagree then, because I'm positive he did with intent

[liveoaktx]

28. Yup, to each his own.... I looked at that up close and personal

editing it and there's no doubt in my mind that he was flipping him off.

[IndyOp]

31. Thanks OMC - I just don't see the body language I would expect to see if

he were really flipping Feingold off. He seems to me to be a "restless hand" guy -- he made, basically, all possibly hand motions one could make with 1, 2, 4 and 5 fingers --

And peace to all who see more -- let me know if you identify the guy -- I'd love to know if he is a Feingold staffer --

:rofl:

[harpo]

32. of course not, he's sitting in the senate, it won't be blatant like this 1

[liveoaktx]

36. Actually not so, I chopped out a bunch where he was just sitting there

(and you can see it if you watch the entire thing) not restless, not moving his hands, etc. He was furtive-he looked around to see if anyone was watching and then brought his hand up.

[FredStembottom]

51. I have rarely been so distracted by such hostile body language

The guy was disrespectful in so many ways. Covering his eyes in a "what a stupid tedious jerk" display etc.

The finger thing was positively junior high - that's just how a kid would do it - within an unnatural flurry of other "cover" movements.

[liveoaktx]

52. Let's put it this way -IF it is one of Feingold's staff, then Feingold

needs to have a talk with him about being a distraction during important addressess. You should never have a background diversion like that where people would even *wonder* what the meaning of someone's gestures are.

I remember when Hillary Clinton was in a hearing recently and the guy behind her seemed to have forgotten his ADHD pills that day.

[Marie26]

68. I think it was an intern

Based on...nothing really. His attitude, his boredom, his total disregard for what Feingold was saying. I think it was some punk kid who was tired & bored & didn't care who knew. To me, it doesn't seem like he's really reacting to Feingold's speech; actually, he doesn't seem to be paying attention at all. Instead, he looks around, checks out the woman next to him, gets bored, starts fidgeting, randomly flips through papers, & tries to stay awake. He looks like a student at the end of a 3-hour lecture.

And here is the definitive proof: he was wearing a blue pass. This is the pass that interns who have access to the White House wear. I don't know if this guy was a White House intern, or if the Senate has the same pass. But it does look very similar to an intern's pass. Notice that the actual staffer to his right doesn't have the same passes. So, that's my speculative opinion on this vital national issue.

[harpo]

82. the blue pass giveaway...thanks for that info!

[AndyA]

37. Boredom?

He's present when a resolution to censure the President of the United States is submitted, and he's bored? No way! He's a Repug showing his disdain for the laws of the land.

So many of them are on The Dark Side.

[harpo]

39. excellent point

[Pharaoh]

47. Oh come on mindcrime

just follow along with the video and do those mannerisms along with it, then tell me that again........

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. Oh Come On pharaoh

just follow along with the video and look where his finger is angled, and realize it is nowhere near Russ.

Honestly, I don't know how I find myself in the minority sometimes with such blatantly logical issues :rofl:

Luckily this has no bearing on the state of politics or our country and is just lighthearted discussion, but still, I'm all sorts of scratchin my head tonight with this one. :)

[Catherine Vincent]

69. If it is reported somehow that this guy was not flipping off

anyone, I will be the first to say that you were right. :hi:

[Nitrogenica]

29. RECOMMEND VOTE!!!! This is huge.

[Syncronaut Seven]

44. Why do you have a picture of 4 weasels in your sig line?

Nice ferrets BTW.

[Nitrogenica]

80. LOLS

[Digit]

33. It was deplorable

He knew he was on camera.
It was very rude to say the least.

[bullwinkle428]

38. Best punishment? One-way flight to Baghdad! (Uniform and rifle provided)

[tanyev]

78. I'll bet his DC connections can even get him some body armor.

[fedupinBushcountry]

41. Why would one of Feingold's staff

flip him off ? I watched the whole thing and it was one of his staff. Staff members sit directly behind the Senators.

[mirandapriestly]

45. yeah, I was wondering if it was one of his staff nt

[izzybeans]

54. I thought if he was intentionally doing it, he could have been directing

it to the woman on the left. Or even someone beyond her not ever in screen.

[blogslut]

55. well, it wasn't exactly directly behind

I did find the rules on staff/senate/floor:

FLOOR ACCESS RULES:

* Former Members are prohibited from being on the floor (including the Speaker's Lobby and cloakrooms) if any matter in which they have a personal or pecuniary interest or are employed or retained as a lobbyist is pending before the House. Matters are considered pending once full or subcommittee hearings have been held, or once a bill or resolution has been called up by a full or subcommittee.

* Committee staff are permitted on the floor only during the consideration of measures reported from their committees. A maximum of five committee staff (for the majority and minority) is permitted.

* Personal staff are not permitted on the floor of the House except when their Member has an amendment actually pending under the five-minute rule. A Member offering an amendment under the five-minute rule may be accompanied by one personal staff Member.

* Staff are not permitted to pass out literature or otherwise attempt to influence Members or their votes.

http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/house_decorum.htm

[fedupinBushcountry]

58. Those are the rules for the House

not the Senate. Also it looked like the staff member was tired, probably due to the work in getting this resolution together for Feingold.

[blogslut]

62. my bad

http://www.rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule23.php

Regardless, I would like proof the dude was a Feingold staffer. He sure didn't act like one.

[fedupinBushcountry]

63. Well usually

any other staffers on the floor are way up in the back, and the Republican staffers are on the Republican side and the Democrat staffers are on the Democrat side. I just happen to be a C-Spanaholic, and watch the Senate and House daily, and this is how it works.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

56. Thank You For So Quickly Not Succumbing To Status Quo And Looking At

it logically instead. Unfortunately we are in the minority right now LOL

[mb7588a]

79. They only sit directly behind them in Committee. This is

the Senate floor, anybody can sit anywhere.

[mom cat]

43. Send it to KO!

[izzybeans]

53. He could have been giving the finger to the woman sitting to his left out

of screen. It seems that everytime he did it, at least that I saw it was aimed in that direction. When his hands were in the front he had all of his fingers extended, but as soon as they went to the side the middle finger went straight up. She was the person he seemed to be concerned about when he was looking around.

If so, maybe she was a repuke and he was telling her to shove it whenever the constitutional issue came up. Either way this is a Cheney moment for somebody.

Just saying, complete conjecture on my part.

[mb7588a]

57. That woman works for Feingold. nt.

[izzybeans]

67. Doesn't this gentlemen work for Feingold?

[Marie26]

70. I don't think so

Just based on his body language. A Feingold staffer would've been paying more attention to this speech. This guy did not even look at Feingold.

[izzybeans]

71. I didn' t think so either but I thought that staffers sat behind their

Senators and were divided by the aisle. So if he isn't a Feingold staffer then he may be another dem staffer. If so, then my guess is we won't be seeing this man anytime soon sitting on that side of the aisle.

[liveoaktx]

72. Wonkette thinks so too

Even though the original Wonkette is gone

[sabra]

76. Two things.... (my 2 cents)

- What does that blue ID represent? And why isn't the female aide wearing one?
- If you notice the female aide leaves at around midpoint of the speech. Did she notice too? Was the man directing it at her?

[harpo]

81. Anyone ever figure out who this guy is? Do I need to drive to dc?

come on...someone has to know him or see him on c-span occasionally.

Where's the logs of the senate so I can see who was there that day?