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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 08:43 PM
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This is the very definition of insanity.






CHILLING
— Elizabeth Kolbert

Issue of 2006-03-20
Posted 2006-03-13

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The news from Antarctica follows a string of similarly grim discoveries. In September, satellite measurements showed that the extent of the Arctic ice cap had shrunk to the smallest area ever recorded, prompting a prediction that the Arctic Ocean could be ice-free in summer “well before the end of this century.” Around the same time, a group of British scientists reported that soils in England and Wales have been losing carbon at the rate of four million metric tons a year, a loss that is at once a symptom of warming and—as much of that carbon is released into the atmosphere—a likely cause of more. In January, researchers at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies concluded that 2005 had been the hottest year on record, and, in February, a team of scientists from NASA and the University of Kansas announced that the flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland had more than doubled over the past decade. Earlier this month, the Washington Post reported that the mountain pine beetle, a pest once kept in check by winter cold, has decimated huge swaths of forest in western Canada. Officials with the Canadian Forest Service say that the beetle has crossed the Rockies and they fear that it will soon start eating its way east. “People say climate change is something for our kids to worry about,” one official told the Post. “No. It’s now.”

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But where there’s a will there is, indeed, always a way. The new argument making the rounds of conservative think tanks, like the National Center for Policy Analysis, and circulating through assorted sympathetic publications goes something like this: Yes, the planet may be warming up, but no one can be sure of why, and, in any case, it doesn’t matter—let’s stop quibbling about the causes of climate change and concentrate on dealing with the consequences. A recent column in the Wall Street Journal laid out the logic as follows: “The problems associated with climate change (whether man-made or natural) are the same old problems of poverty, disease, and natural hazards like floods, storms, and droughts.” Therefore “money spent directly on these problems is a much surer bet than money spent trying to control a climate change process that we don’t understand.” Sounding an eerily similar note, a column published a few days later in the National Review Online stated, “We can do more to help the poor by combating these problems now than we would by reducing carbon dioxide emissions.”

The beauty of this argument is its apparent high-mindedness, and this, of course, is also its danger. Carbon dioxide is a persistent gas—it lasts for about a century—and once released into the atmosphere it is, for all practical purposes, irrecoverable. Since every extra increment of CO2 leads to extra warming, addressing the effects of climate change without dealing with the cause is a bit like trying to treat diabetes with doughnuts. The climate isn’t going to change just once, and then settle down; unless CO2 concentrations are stabilized, it will keep on changing, producing, in addition to the “same old problems,” an ever-growing array of new ones. The head of the Goddard Institute, James Hansen, who first warned about the dangers of global warming back in the nineteen-seventies and recently made headlines by accusing the Bush Administration of censorship, has said that following the path of business-as-usual for the remainder of this century will lead to an earth so warm as to be “practically a different planet.” In a world thus transformed, the only sure bet is that there will be no sure bets.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:01 PM
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1. No use treating the cause, we'll just deal with the symptoms.
They are not even human.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:02 PM
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2. Stupid stupid stupid
and did I say stoopid?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:39 PM
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9. it's greed, incompetence and corruption
they're selling their grandchildren's lives for a short-term profit
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:04 PM
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3. Good God!
It's really hard to believe these people are so stupid.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:06 PM
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5. They're not stupid.
They just don't care. Think about someone who would do this to their own grandchildren. First they steal all their money by running the country into debt. Then they literally rob them of a planet to live on, just for profit.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:05 PM
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4. the war on cancer
is probably their blueprint. Do not look for the cause among environmental toxins - other than tobacco which is realtively new. Just treat the cancer.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:11 PM
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6. they're not even going that far, though
what they're probably doing is ordering more FEMA tents and bodybags. knowing them.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:22 PM
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7. The Environment...another reason I tend to favor Gore in the White House
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:28 PM
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8. me too
I'm afraid I almost have too much faith in him. I start to think he's Superman.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 10:12 PM
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10. Gore would be the 1st to say he's no Superman, but he's a hard worker...
...that is aware of exactly how serious this situation is, and is exploring in depth strategies to address triage for environmental action.

Meanwhile, he's a defender of the Constitution, learned, fair and reasonable.

Would have been a fine president, still can.

I think he's "not running" to limit the "swiftboating pre-game time."

Personally, I'd like him to announce Spring 2008.

Meanwhile, he's doing his homework...and a good deal of it is environmental.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:24 PM
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13. I'm with him all the way. Sign me up.
This is THE issue.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 10:17 PM
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11. We are very quickly running out of time
On the Boat Deck, the band hasn't even switched from "Alexander's Ragtime Band" and "Great Big Beautiful Doll" to "Autumn". We're just tapping a foot, having a smoke and a drink and watching the lifeboats sail off, confident that we'll be waiting on deck for their return.

Except they won't have anyplace to return to, and no place else to go.

Meanwhile, what's Jennifer Aniston doing, and how's the search for Natalee Holloway going - do Nancy Grace's Flaring Nostrils of Justice conceal vital physical evidence?

:eyes:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:15 PM
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12. Sometimes I think GWB really is the Anti-Christ.
I mean, what has he done to prove otherwise?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:36 PM
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14. These idiots need to learn the 1st rule of holes!
When you're in one, stop digging!

(Molly Ivins, I think.)

-Laelth
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 08:40 AM
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15. This is the ultimate in digging a hole
This is a bottomless pit
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:01 AM
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16. Those in charge don't care about humans let alone environment.
The environment to Bushco is like a huge WalMart, Bush* is only interested in what they can sell. Fuck the rest of it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:39 AM
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17. They don't even love their own grandchildren.
That's what kills me.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:41 AM
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18. just when I think they couldn't be more short-sighted or inane
they raise the bar.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:29 AM
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21. They are literally INSANE.
I can't imagine how they sleep at night.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:48 AM
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19. That's a hot one!
Conservatives spending money on problems! Bullshit. Conservatives clutch every dollar closer to their chest and blame the victims of their greed for their own predicament.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:58 AM
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20. They are planning how they will profit from climate change
Halliburton will get the contracts to build the tents and run the detention facilities when Americans have to desert their coastal homes. Global warming is a business opportunity.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:58 AM
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22. That's an old talking point
That talking point of dealing with the effects of Global warming and not trying to treat the causes has been around for a while now. Of course it's stupid. What extactly will Republicans do to deal with the ocean level rise that will come in the future? The problems cause by global warming aren't normal and sure as help aren't simple to solve.

Anyways when have Republicans try solve poverty, disease, and natural hazards like floods, storms, and droughts.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 12:01 PM
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23. They will sell their beachfront property and move to their mountain estate
of course. the rest of you can figure it out for yourself.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 12:09 PM
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24. How do you cook a live frog?
Take a pot of hot water and a frog. Throw the frog into the pot. What do you think will happen? The obvious, of course: the frog will jump out. Who likes hanging around in a pot of hot water? Now, take a pot of COLD water, put the frog in it, and place the pot on the stove. Turn on the heat. This time something different will occur. The frog, because of the incremental change in temperature, will not notice that it is slowly being boiled.

At least, he won't if he's a Republican frog.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 01:02 PM
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25. But WHY? They are boiling themselves along with us.
They're clearly insane. There's no other explanation.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 02:12 PM
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26. It's not insanity, it's greed.
They're willing to risk our childrens long-term future for short-term profits.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 02:18 PM
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27. but...
that's insane!
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 02:33 PM
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28. Do they intend
to help the poor and deal with the problems they way they do now, by starting all kinds of unfunded programs and increasing tax cuts to the rich folks?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 02:40 PM
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29. I think they intend to give big FEMA contracts to Halliburton
to house the refugees in tents when the floods come.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:35 PM
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30. a kick - please read
:kick:
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