Support Feingold....... or else

[Badger1]

OMG, every talking head has the Rove mentality that the dems have no clear message or direction going into the mid terms. You hear it ad nausium. Now we have a chance to be heard and define our patriotism and resolve. WE ARE NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH! If our reps do not support Russ's Resolution of censure, I am done. It is the supreme time and issue to show our unity and if we fail at this I know many who will gladly leave the Democratic Party. I for one. The time is now to fight, show unity, show a clear and distinct difference between us and "them" and the time is waining. Do it now or forever kiss your party goodbye.

[Cocoa]

1. I'm surprised anyone is left in the democratic party

I've heard so many people say they're leaving if such and such doesn't happen.

[NoodleyAppendage]

2. You'd better watch it or you will be accused of being a Freeper.

I'll give this thread about 5 minutes before being locked. Don't you know? This topic is verboten.

J

[Badger1]

7. Lock it my ass

It's way past time for the dems to grow some balls. When was the last time the Democratic party took a stace? I have NEVER voted for a repug, and never will. I WANT MY PARTY BACK GOD DAMN IT!

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[NoodleyAppendage]

22. "A thick skin is necessary to participate..."

"A thick skin is necessary to participate on this or any other discussion forum." (DU rules)

Apparently, this doesn't apply to all around here...

J

[LincolnMcGrath]

24. Sometimes nuance rules the day.

Mods try to do their best around here.

[Robert Murphy]

3. AMEN!!!

FINALLY!! A Democrat w/BALLS!!!

[LincolnMcGrath]

4. This is all Russ's fault! Haven't you heard?

Cause we all know that no Dem Senator ever goes to the floor without a Super Minority ! lol

[WillyT]

5. Yes... You MUST Have Your Tutus In A Row Before You Vote !!!

Hey Linc!

:hi::evilgrin::hi:

[LincolnMcGrath]

8. LOL

:hi:

[NoodleyAppendage]

6. Of course, Feingold is the coward in this situation. How silly of me.

What was a I expecting? A unified and strong Dem response? I must be daffy.

Bush BREAKS THE LAW and we eat our own.

J

[Erika]

12. It's the republicans who aren't standing together

and they are in power. They should be the target on war discord, not the party out of power. Politics 101.

[LincolnMcGrath]

32. Some of the thoughts expressed about Mr Feingold and his actions

today are really quite disturbing.

[rodeodance]

10. who said that silly stuff?

[LincolnMcGrath]

15. GD and GD;Pol have numerous threads blaming Russ

[Just Me]

27. *LOL* TOO funny!!!

:rofl:

Whew!!! I needed that!!! :hi: Thank you vewy much!!! :hug:

[journalist3072]

11. I'm sorry, I cannot support Feingold's call for censure

From my perspective, it's impeachment all the way. Bush's crimes call for him to be impeached, not censured.

We need to remind the Republican Party EVERY DAY that THEY are the ones who lowered the bar for what is an impeachable offense, and now they have to live with the consequences of that.

But even if they had not lowered the bar for impeachment, I believe that Bush definitely committeed "treason, high crimes and other misdemeanors."

[Erika]

16. Censure is the first step for illegal wire tapping

Impeaching will be the 2nd for out and out lying to the American people. One step at a time to get the ball rolling.

[journalist3072]

18. Sorry, but I don't understand that argument

Not only has he been conducting illegal wiretapping, but he LIED about it.

Remember that now-infamous speech in Buffalo, NY in 2004, when he said "nothing has changed, by the way" and then went on to say that when you hear the government talk about wiretap, a court order is required.

Obviously, he did not follow that rule of law. So he was lying to the American people on that day in Buffalo.

Moreover, I worry that if the censure move were to succeed (which it won't) it would kill any move for impeachment. Because a lot of Respresentatives in the House would probably say "we've already punished this President for his actions. We are on record as punishing him."

[Erika]

21. You have a point. You are right.

But this is not Bill Clinton who was impeached for a blow job. This is a GOP controlled Congress who control the shots, and only if W is shown to have lied and our kids died, will they go for impeachment.

Different standards apply.

[journalist3072]

26. If?????

It's already been proven that Bush lied and our kids died. What more does the U.S. Congress need to know?

The facts are there for anyone who is willing, to see.

It speaks volumes about Bush, that he was so concerned about the lack of evidence against Sadaam Hussein, that he discussed with Tony Blair the possibility of basically entrapping Sadaam.

He talked about possibly using U2 reconassance planes, and painting them in the U.N. colors to make Sadaam think they were U.N. planes.

He wanted to entrap Sadaam.

I consider that an impeachable offense.

[orleans]

34. according to randi rhodes, censure is all the senate can do

because impeachment has to begin in the house

and apparently russ has had enough.

i know i sure as hell have!

[spuddonna]

35. My understanding - Senate cannot start impeachment proceedings...

... only the House can do that, which is what Conyers is doing right now.

And censure does not eliminate the possibility of impeachment. And it raises the discussion of the illegal wiretaps yet again in the press...

[rodeodance]

13. I do not agress with the 'or else"--but we can have a reasoned discussion.

[Dogmudgeon]

14. Leaving the Democratic Party AGAIN?

That's a daily occurrence -- "If XYZ doesn't happen, then I'm leaving the party!"

I feel your frustration, but the direction to turn your anger is outward.

I, for one, am NOT leaving the party. If I have to, I'll get a parrot to sit on my shoulder, and start slitting throats, but I won't be pushed out by ANY bunch of panty-waists, bullies, surrender-monkeys, or wheeler-dealers.

Fuck 'em. It's MY damn party, too.

For me, it's Victory -- or I'll tell dirty jokes on the Gallows.

As for the resolution of censure, it doesn't have a chance, mainly because of party-line voting. But it doesn't have to have a chance to be effective. Simply being proposed by Conyers and Feingold has done incalculable damage to the foundering GOP -- the entire subculture of political wonks and junkies remember full well that the Republicans passed up censure as an option in the case of Clinton, and that Bush's transgressions are far more serious. From this point onward, it's all forward progress.

Don't pull on that knife -- PUSH!

--p!

[Erika]

17. Amen and Amen n/t

[Badger1]

23. The point is not to pass the resolution

The F'n point is to show unity in a time where we are being destroyed in a PR campaign that we show no unity! How ca I make this more simple?

[Erika]

25. Why don't we attack the fractured GOP first?

rather than ourselves?

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. But Erika, how is asking a Dem to back a Dem considered an attack?

When plenty of folks here are attacking Russ, and that is OK?

[DanCa]

41. For dem on dem attack you should read the Il forum.

It's a blood sport there. How ya be Lincoln.

[journalist3072]

39. I left the Party in January 2005

I was so mad that only one Democratic Senator had the courage of conviction to sign on to the objection of the Ohio electors.

So I became a registered Independent instead.

I had to realize that my values had not changed, but my Party changed.

[JohnnyCougar]

19. I've been one of Feingold's longest supporters on here.

But let's be reasonable. It's not support Feingold "or else." People don't respond to threats. Threats make enemies, being reasonable makes friends.

The censure thing is not going to pass. But it will make a statement. A statement that the Dems are finally going to fight for our rights. This will serve the Democratic party by making them look strong, even if they lose the vote. Are they ready to take off the gloves and go at it? Bush has openly admitted to breaking the law. Are we going to do something about it, or are we going to wait for the investigation to conclude when Bush has already pretty much dismantled any investigation in this matter?

Supporting censure is merely symbolic that the Dems are ready to stick together and fight the obvious corruption in this government. And bring the crimes of the Bush administration to the forefront of the national debate.

[LincolnMcGrath]

20. The 'or else' here is directed at Democratic senators is it not?

[JohnnyCougar]

30. I would think so.

But they're not going to respond to threats, either.

Just tell them that you are really concerned about your country, and you want them to back Russ' proposal. We should be united on this, not threatening each other.

[Badger1]

31. Not at Dem Senators

But the Democratic Party. Shit or get off the pot. There are MANY DEms waiting for something from the leadership and we are seeing nothing. Time is running out. We will not accept business as usual. The time has come to lead or get out of the way.

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[Badger1]

33. Point is?

You sent us Bush and Delay. Suggestions My Boy?

[NuttyFluffers]

36. but, but, but what about our precious dry powder?

won't somebody think of the powder?
:evilgrin:

[LincolnMcGrath]

37. lol

:spray:

[upi402]

38. media is propaganda organ, DINOs are Republicans

no real surprise. Take a firehose to the gutter. I agree 100% with you O/P.

[Hubert Flottz]

40. The DLC will cut Russ's throat on this one!

They are scared of bush.