You thought Creationists were a little too rational????

[im10ashus]

Meet the Geocentrists!

http://www.fixedearth.com/old_format.html



The belief that the Earth is rotating on an "axis" and orbiting the sun is THE GRANDADDY OF ALL DECEPTIONS IN THE WORLD TODAY...

Launched from its modern founder's deathbed in 1543, the Copernican Revolution ushered in a movement that has totally reshaped and re-directed ALL of man's knowledge (HERE)..

http://www.fixedearth.com/knowledge%20impact.htm

The Christian Bible (and the Koran!) declare the earth to be motionless. The mathematical Copernican model says the earth rotates on an "axis" (at over 1000 MPH) orbits the sun (at 30 times rifle bullet speed), and is whooshing around a galaxy (at 250 times rifle bullet speed) .....all at the same time.

Over the centuries, superstars in the physical sciences established the Copernican model as an unchallenged fact. This success paved the way for conquest of the biological sciences (Darwin et al). This transvaluation of values and philosophy (Nietzsche et al) then quickly spread to the social and behavioral sciences (Marx, Freud et al), to mathematics (Einstein et al), the Arts (Picasso et al), Education (Dewey et al), and so on through today's media reinforcement of all of the above. ..As the 21st Century gets its feet wet, man's "knowledge" is almost totally secularized and the Bible all but ignored as the source of absolute Truth from God Himself. ..The "sciences" reign supreme, and they do so because of the victory of Copernicanism over the Bible's motionless earth.

In case you thought that the Moon caused the tides, think again! Read this well-written explanation, apparently written as a Platonic dialogue between "Vern" and "Bo Bo".

No one would quarrel with the fact that there is a relationship between what the Moon does and what the Tides do. The Bible, after all, says that the Moon was designed to serve mankind through "signs" (which could certainly include Tidal phenomena), and through "seasons", and by giving light.

However, to say there is a relationship or connection between the Moon and Tides is one thing; to say that the Moon causes and controls Earth’s tides (as the whole world has been taught is a scientific fact) is quite another thing.

In the first instance--since God has said that one of His purposes for making the Moon and having it behave as it does is precisely for man’s aid in such things as gauging tides, planting, harvesting, etc.--we see the relationship as supernatural. These are "signs" and they have always worked and they work now for those who read them. Thus, there is a relationship or connection between the Moon’s behavior and supplying useful and necessary knowledge for man.

In the second instance, however--since "science" has said it will explain everything in natural terms without God and will designate all supernatural explanations as superstitions held by unenlightened people--we find that the obvious connections between the Moon’s behavior and certain phenomena such as Tides must be explained naturalistically by the science establishment.

cont'd...

http://www.fixedearth.com/tides.htm

[benburch]

1. There people are parodies of themselves. nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. Are you sure that the Onion didn't underwrite this project?

It reads like their most excellent work.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. It's "The Earth Revolves Around Me" syndrome n/t

[Beelzebud]

4. Reminds me of the "Hollow Earth" and "Electric Universe" people.

They're in the same scientific communtiy as the Creationists.

[PATRICK]

13. I don't get it

By all rights the Biblical version should be presented in its entirety. These guys for all their looniness won't go to original concept of pre-scientific man which is that the universe is a terrarium separated from the waters of chaos(outer space being far less of a void. The stars and lights are set in the top and operate in some bizarre system dictated by the Deity. The earth firmament is flat with an underworld for the shades. God is enthroned at the peak of the terrarium. It is a nice sci-fi image for a super powered but limited God for a limited human universe.

But no these "literalists" want to have the rational scientific universe and their particular "traditional" fancies all at the same time. The tribal myth makers and even the dolts back then would think such efforts the work of faithless nuts as do any people with minimal education today. As such it is LESS than the Hollow Earth advocates because everything is ruined by Fusionist Fundamentalism where their stubborn misconception of adored myth is unapologetically lopped onto minimalist science that everyone accepts. And if everyone accepts it, generally it has more or as much weight as their zany misconceptions of the ancient Biblical mind. Even the Hollow Earth people must think these hypocrites are nuts.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. If they didn't exist

we would have to invent them.

[im10ashus]

8. LMAO!!!!

Good one. We couldn't make this stuff up, could we?

[boobooday]

6. The Bible told the truth all along!

So don't miss the big "stone the fornicators" ho-down, tonight, at seven!

[sui generis]

7. interesting idea occurs to me

maybe we should intentionally confuse the two all the time, and let them disavow each other.

It's really funny and ironic to hear a crazy person say, no that's just too crazy.

What a peculiar, ugly little world these people live in.

No worries about "stop the planet I want to get off", if it's already stopped.

And finally I would also surmise that hell is real and you can actually get to it by digging hard enough. Likewise, heaven's firmament is actually a large robin's egg blue ceramic shell that merely looks like the sky. god's miracles never cease.

[Cush]

9. "Don’t argue with God’s Book! You will loose...."

http://www.fixedearth.com/knowledge%20impact.htm

down near the bottom, hilighted in yellow

[Stuckinthebush]

14. Loose?

This guy has a nut loose, but I don't think we will "lose" by arguing with a 2000-4000 year old text that has been changed many times over the years. We may get a screw loose if we accept it all as fact, however.

[B3Nut]

17. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check out the front page of that site...they claim the earth doesn't even rotate! What a bunch of morons...how do geosynchronous satellites work then? Why do they have to maintain a precise orbit?

Smirking chimp on a bicycle, these people are wacko! Concocting all kinds of whacked-out consipiracies to create a conflict where none exists in reality...LOL! Hey nutjobs: the language in the Bible describing characteristics of the Earth is *poetic metaphor*! As in NOT LITERALLY TRUE, nor does it need to be. Dunderheads...

Todd in Beerbratistan

[FatDave]

22. Geosynchronous satellites? Obviously fake.

Global positioning devices are actually electronic prayer devices. They beam a prayer to God that says "Where am I?" and he replies through the LCD screen. Since the electronic transmission of prayers is much more efficient than human speech (and/or thought), these prayers are always answered.

Satellite television works similarly. The set-top box sends a "please show me fox news" prayer up to heaven. God is more than happy to oblige. Comedy Central and MTV are clearly the work of the Devil however.

Also, in the future could you please not use such big words?

[kenny blankenship]

10. I forget whether

the Copernican Revolution is the cliche metaphor used to indicate the Nietzschean Transvaluation-Of-All-Values, or whether Nietzsche's Transvaluation-Of-All-Values is the metaphor used to indicate a Copernican Revolution?

Anyway, the Bible was not ignored, it was taken deadly seriously --and slowly but surely proved to be full of shit. That's not the same as being ignored.

[warrens]

11. We should be more careful about who we teach to read

A little knowledge is truly a dangerous thing in the minds of fanatics like this bunch.

[rd_kent]

12. WOW!! and I thought they couldnt get any crazier!!!

So how do they explain other modern marvels of science like nukes, airplanes, computers, telephones??????

[Jim Warren]

15. The more of this shit I read, weirdly

the more the I imagine the heaviest thrash/head banging metal turned up to 10 to be the soundtrack for their reality.

[AllegroRondo]

16. "This new science is amazing"

"Tell me again how sheeps bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes"

[aden_nak]

18. It couldn't be that the Bible was written by mortal fallable men.

Who (if you want a strict interpretation) wrote God's thoughts as they came through their minds, where those thoughts were the instantaneous transfer of ideas rather than actual words. So of course the writers of the Bible would translate those thoughts into words and concepts based on their own understanding of language.

I mean, come on. I'm an aetheist, and even I can get THAT far.

[FatDave]

19. You know what?

Fuck these clowns.

No wait a minute. On second thought, promote them. Let the world see how far denial of science can take you.

I'd like to see science denied to them. You know, if you're not going to believe in it, you shouldn't get to enjoy its fruits. Oh, you have cancer? Well, God put it there, so you'll just have to die.

I'll make the same deal for religion. I'll deny it and I promise I'll take nothing from it. Hey, whadaya know, I got the good end of that deal.

[baldguy]

20. There are still Flat Earthers around too:

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatMisStat.htm

[im10ashus]

24. Un-freaking-believable.

Isn't it? Where do they grow these people?

[baby_mouse]

21. Oh, dear.

Dear, oh dear. What silly people. And they have a website!

[FatDave]

23. "Silly people with a website" = good perspective

I say if you're gonna be a loon with a website, you might as well go the full 9 yards.

http://www.timecube.com/

(edited to add quotes in subject. seemed better that way)

[TreasonousBastard]

25. Hey, cranks like this are fun...

let him piss in the wind with his delusions. Nobody's listening-- I'd guess even his shrink gave up on him.

Found a coupla curious things between other incomprehensible ramblings when I went to see what he had against gravity:

"Sayonara Albert E... (A. E. was the choice of all Zionist controlled media to receive the honor of "Man of the 20th Century". From the Bible-bashing Talmud/Kabbala point of view, he disserved to be so crowned. After all, his Relativity, curved space, etherless, time-warping nonsense not only rescued Copernicanism from the nose-dive it was in after interferometer experiments repeatedly showed no movement of the earth, they also laid the necessary ground-work for the introduction and success of Big Bangism, which further made possible the whole Saganesque brand of evolution of "extraterrestrials" now about to be foisted on the world thru NASA’s VR technology."


"GRAVITY IS AN EXHAUSTED AND BANKRUPT CONCEPT."

[LisaLynne]

30. Hey, I'm no fan of gravity myself.

Especially when I'm drunk. :evilgrin:

[im10ashus]

32. Too funny.

And age doesn't agree with gravity either. :shrug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

26. And it never rained until the Great flood

:eyes:

[tenshi816]

27. This reads like parody.

I'm having a hard time believing it's not.

[im10ashus]

31. If only.

They are real people who actually believe this crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_geocentrism

[tenshi816]

34. I should've known.

I was hoping it was parody. Next thing you know, that crazy creationist "expert" (sorry, can't remember his name but he often pops up in debates to argue the ID viewpoint) with the PhD from a dubious unaccredited "college" will weigh in on this too.

I fear greatly for the future of US scientific contributions if, as seems to be happening, more and more people are embracing nonsense like this. I'm thinking about the poll results posted on DU last week that said 51% of Americans believe in the 6-day creation myth, or however it was worded.

Edited to say that I've now read the Wikipedia entry you posted the link to (thank you!) and have come to the conclusion that anyone who believes such tripe should be required to give up every 21st century convenience and go back to living exactly as people did in the Dark Ages. Their minds are already there so their lifestyles should be as well.

[Squatch]

28. Well...he's partially correct...

since motion is relative, the motion of the rest of the universe can be described if the earth is fixed as the frame of reference.

[FatDave]

33. I almost brought that up

But couldn't phrase it as eloquently as you did.

[NV Whino]

29. What! I thought the Earth was flat!

Now, can we herd George and his friends to the edge and give them a gently shove?