So Dr. Dobbins, are you saying you can't rape the willing?

[rustydog]

"I think that life begins when the chromosomes of the sperm and egg line up," said Dr. Richard Dobbins, who works in the emergency department at Hardin Memorial Hospital in Kenton.

Dobbins also questioned the need for emergency contraception in rape cases, saying that most women either are not fertile during assault or do not become pregnant because the trauma prompts a hormonal response that prevents ovulation.

This is what we are up against. Ignorance with a PhD.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/03/13/20060313-A1-02.html

[Richard D]

1. Well, most . . .

. . . is probably correct. But that still leaves a lot of "some's".

[benddem]

10. what are you talking about

not one thing he said is true. Pregnancy from rape is common. Life doesn't begin when the sperm and egg come together. Millions of sperms and eggs combos are flushed. Read some anatomy.

[Richard D]

15. You know . . .

. . . I was ready to get all medical on you about how there are only a few optimal days for getting pregnant in a woman's cycle. Perhaps my view has been slanted by working with a lot of fertility problems. Common knowledge has dictated that the most fertile time is days 10-17 of a woman's cycle. My response was predicated on this, the idea that this leaves 21 less fertile or infertile days.

However I seem to be wrong (get out the whipping post). Here is an interesting article about why:

Forget everything you have heard about when pregnancy occurs. According to researchers at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, only about 30 percent of women actually have their fertile period between days 10 and 17 of their menstrual cycle. This adds validity to what many 'accidentally' pregnant women, including myself, have long suspected.

Researchers found that the potential for fertility exists on almost every day of a woman's menstrual cycle. Most women in the study were between the ages of 25 and 35--prime reproductive age and the age when menstrual cycles are most regular. The window of fertility was found to be even more unpredictable for teenagers and women approaching menopause.

Data on tests of 213 women during almost 700 menstrual cycles concluded that even women with normally regular menstrual cycles should be advised that their fertile window can be significantly unpredictable. The NIEHS' Allen J. Wilcox, M.D., Ph.D., statistician David Dunson, Ph.D., and epidemiologist Donna Day Baird, Ph.D., described the results of these tests of otherwise healthy North Carolina women in a recent report in the British Medical Journal.

Women who seek to use their cycles to avoid pregnancy may face poor odds, according to the new scientific report. Data from the study suggests that there are "few days of the menstrual cycle during which some women are not potentially capable of becoming pregnant-- including even the day on which they may expect their next menses to begin."
http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/pregnancy/a/whenpregoccur.htm

That said, when life begins is certainly something that remains up for ethical and moral debate. Personally I think that it occurs a lot earlier than pro-choice people think, and a lot later than anti-choice people think. But perhaps it does occur at conception. Unfortunately, I don't remember.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. hey, a new southern baptist form of birth control!

just beat on the missus before you have your way with her, and she won't get preggers. A brave new world indeed.

Considering that the reported levels of spousal abuse rise in conjunction with the strength of people's fundementalist religious attitudes (there's a statistic that they LOVE to cover up) then why are birth rates higher in states where violent spousal abuse remains a huge problem? Note, this involves REPORTED levels. Actual levels are thought to be considerably higher. And, women in Northern and Western states are much more likely to report physical abuse by their spouse or significant other than southern states. Which makes one gag at the logical progression.

According to a study I looked at in 2004 for an article, the worst states for wife beating are:
South Carolina
Florida
Texas
North Carolina
Mississippi
Georgia
Alabama

in that order. I have to dig that up and support this with a site, but I shall do so. The file's pretty damn thick.

[theoldman]

3. Ignorance has no bounds.

When women are raped during a war, many become pregnant.

[peacebird]

4. what a load of horse-pucky

sex is sex and if sperm are deposited in the vagina at the "right" time of month a woman can get pregnant regardless of TRAUMA.....

He seems to be saying you can't get preggers unless you enjoyed it - tell that to the mother of the comatose woman who was impregnated by a nursing home employee

This is just another way to blame the victim. "The way she was dressed - she was asking for it." :grr:

[zbdent]

5. Not ignorance

blatant lies . . .

[DrGonzoLives]

6. A PhD is not a measure of intelligence

Particularly if it is for something in a non-scientific field; at least you have to do research and come up with something at least marginally novel in science.

[American Tragedy]

14. Formal education is no absolute guarantee

This is just anecdotal, of course, but some of the most intelligent, competent, well-read, intellectually inquisitive individuals I have ever known did not attend college. I've known lots of grads who were astoundingly ignorant.

[Kailassa]

7. Dr. Dobbins is a complete liar; the opposite has been proved.

from Rape - an evolutionary strategy? by Claire Bowles

A SINGLE act of rape may be more than twice as likely to make a woman pregnant as a single act of consensual sex. ...
To find out, he and his wife Tiffany Gottschall examined the results of National Violence against Women Survey, a study by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The women studied were phoned at random and interviewed about their experiences. The Gottschalls focused on 405 women who had suffered a single incidence of penile-vaginal rape at some point between the ages of 12 and 45. Of these, 6.4 per cent became pregnant. But that figure jumped to nearly 8 per cent when the researchers allowed for the women who'd been using birth control-US government statistics show that 1 in 5 of the women in the sample were likely to have been using the pill or an IUD.

To complete the comparison, the Gottschalls needed to know how many women in that age group get pregnant from one-night stands and other one-off acts of consensual sex. The answer-reported this year in a separate study by Allen Wilcox, head of the epidemiology branch of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences-was a mere 3.1 per cent. "It was surprising to see this margin of difference," says Jon Gottschall.

Crucially, he believes the difference cannot be explained away by the argument that women having regular consensual sex are, on average, more likely to be using contraception than rape victims. "All the women in Wilcox's study were trying to get pregnant, and not taking precautions," he says. A more likely interpretation, say the Gottschalls, is that rape really does result in more pregnancies.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-06/NS-Raes-1906101.php

[yellowcanine]

8. Yep - this is a no brainer. Rape is MORE likely to result in pregnancy

than consensual sex, not less. Dr. Dobbins sounds as if he belongs to the Frist School of Medical Opinion.

[MostlyLurks]

9. If he really believed this...

Then he have absolutely ZERO problem handing out day-after pills like they were fucking jelly beans. If it's unlikely there's conception, then where's his fucking problem?

Mostly

PS Oh God, just realized he's in my town. Bleah.

[donkeyotay]

11. OMG. this is so wrong on so many levels

"I think that life begins when the chromosomes of the sperm and egg line up," said Dr. Richard Dobbins, who works in the emergency department at Hardin Memorial Hospital in Kenton.

Well, we all believe a lot of things. Your preznit believed there were WMD in Iraq. I believe Republicans are ignorant and shouldn't be allowed to reproduce let alone adopt. I believe God's punishing red states with fires and tornadoes. You don't expect evidence for my beliefs? What on earth would be the medical-scientific basis for this "lining up." This Taliban minister doesn't even think Catholic standards of life are good enough for his piety.

Screw these people. Read this article and just weep. Our country is gone.

[Kailassa]

12. This is a perverse attack on every girl pregnant through rape,

as well as on women and reproductive rights in general.

"You're pregnant?
"That's proof you wanted it and enjoyed it, you slut."

I could just see some judges believing this
and disallowing rape charges in cases of pregnancy.

None of this has anything to do with belief.
It's all about power and hatred and making people suffer.

[Peanutcat]

13. HA! Finally found the fucker!

Been trying to find out who said that women can't get pregnant as a result of rape. THANK YOU!:hug: