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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:24 PM
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BREAKING: Feingold Accuses Senate Democrats of “Cowering” To Bush
BREAKING: Feingold Accuses Senate Democrats of “Cowering” To Bush


Sen. Feingold said the following to Fox News’ Trish Turner:

I’m amazed at Democrats, cowering with this president’s numbers so low. The administration just has to raise the specter of the war and the Democrats run and hide. … Too many Democrats are going to do the same thing they did in 2000 and 2004. In the face of this, they’ll say we’d better just focus on domestic issues. … cower to the argument, that whatever you do, if you question administration, you’re helping the terrorists.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/14/feingold-accuses/
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:25 PM
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1. LOL
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 03:40 PM by Rex
:popcorn:

So far no one has reported this news, but 'ahem' Foxnews. :eyes:
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
138. Frankly, maybe we should start a petition
and demand that the entire SENATE be censured...by the PEOPLE.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:06 PM
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167. Moveon.org has a petition up to be signed. I received an email today
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 12:07 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:38 PM
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170. Signed. . .
and I encourage everyone else to do so as well.

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:07 PM
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171. Signed, too!
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #167
183. Kicked just for good measure. . .
eom.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:25 PM
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2. Lets face it they are total cowards
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:26 PM
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3. A democrat with backbone...
You know what...He is my Presidential pick for 08...

If not now....when....will the rest of the Dems get a backbone!!
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:28 PM
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8. Me,too-all my money will be directed to him and my local dems ONLY
these other cowardly bastards can cower to their corporate gods.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:38 PM
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20. Concerned Americans might have to elect Russ without help
from the Democratic Party. How about Gore/Feingold ? Experience, integrity and courage.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. That is my dream ticket...Gore/Feingold
and I think they could win!!!
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
37. great ticket! I'd fight like hell to get them elected!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #26
122. What specifically should we do to get Gore and Feingold
nominated? I'm ready to put something into the cause. But, besides money, which I don't a lot of, I'm not sure how to help.

What are you ideas on this?
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #122
162. Vote for Feingold to be Netroots endorsed candidate so that he can begin
to fight the swiftboating that he is "too liberal" for mainstream Democrats. Netroots can help Feingold NOW the way he is helping us NOW!!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/15/5395/06424
Feingold should be a Netroots endorsed candidate

Now
After the 2006 Mid-term elections
During the 2008 Primary/Caucus Season
RIGHT NOW

Votes: 21

We want Feingold on the Netroot's Endorsed Section
by dopper0189 Wed Mar 15, 2006

I want to make a statement to all the DINO's on capital hill we mean business!!! You (the DINO'S) think we are a bunch of little guy out there you can ignore. Hillary thinks she can raise so much money she can get the nomination with out listening to how we feel? If we don't get this going now, before the rest of out Democratic base (the non-activist) are paying attention they will have branded Feingold too extreme and he is toast. Look at my political compass numbers I'm barely over the 0/0 which puts me far to the right of the average KOS writer. But I am sick and tired of Democrats not STANDING UP. If corporate America can buy Senators by promising them large sums of money why can't we?...

:toast: :party:
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #122
179. The way to get a Gore/Feingold elected
is to make them the middle of the road candidate.. Initially if the large population of people on the internet support someone a bit more radical, then making someone like Gore the middle of the road compromise is the only way to work it. The outskirts of the party have to keep pushing the boundry, just to keep their ground.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
158. Gore/Feingold or Feingold/Gore
Either way, they will win and you can take that one to the bank, MadMaddie! People are fed-up all over.

Gore & Feingold... and Conyers and his House Reps are the only Democrats on that Hill with any damn SPINE!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #158
176. I like the way you think.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #176
180. Thanks
Wish our Dems up on that hill did some louder thinking, as well.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:44 PM
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178. What a great combo they make. They are experienced,
articulate, intelligent and courageous. How could we beat that? The only reason I would say Gore/Feingold instead of the other way around is Gore's age. It would seem more appropriate. Now, if we could get Conyers involved in the administration, that would be good. Clark would make a great Sec. of Defense.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. New Party: Backbone Dems as opposed to the Spineless Dem Party
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
153. Sign me up for that group...
I LOVE it, BACKBONE Dems!!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #29
172. Great Idea! The Backbone Dems!!!
Really, mod mom.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
177. Yes to that.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:46 PM
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But a Dem with backbone is CRAY-ZEE!
Like Crazy Al Gore! and Crazy Howard Dean!

Face it, the media will always frame it this way. Dems come in two flavors--wimps and terrorists.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:13 PM
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175. Ignore them.
Everyone I know tells me they're fed-up with tube-news, and sift carefully through what they read in newspapers, as well. Let the media frame it any way they like. People need to talk to one another in passing - that's how I know how other people feel about whats going on. They tell me in store lines, neighbors bring it up to me, you name it. Never seen anything like it. But, these are the type of people whom generally do not call their Reps or Senators, waiting to use their votes instead.

Not anymore. They're telling me how they now realize they have to call and write to DC to get their voices heard - they're that ticked off.

Its given me faith when all seems hopeless.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:27 PM
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This is what Howard Dean said in 2003
Wonder when Lieber-bush will go on Faux News to call Feingold an "angry, one-issue" senator.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:03 PM
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151. How well did that message go over with Democratic primary voters?
:shrug:
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #151
168. Kerry's message flopped too. Last I recall Kerry lost to the worse Prez
ever.

Feingold at least is experiencing the frustration that Dean and us outside the Beltway feel towards the Washington Dems, who are a cabal of cowards.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #168
182. Kerry came much closer to winning the presidency than Dean did
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 09:26 PM by Freddie Stubbs
to winning the Democratic nomination. How many states besides Vermont did Dean win in the primaries?
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:27 PM
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4. They are cowering to Bush!!!
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:27 PM
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5. Save me a spot at the re-education camp, Senator
I think he's right.

And I think we're in real trouble.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
113. LOL!
Oh please, don't even hint it could get that bad!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:28 PM
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6. Feingold is right!
Dems are COWARD!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:28 PM
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7. Oh Geezus. Where is this going?
:(
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. A run as an Independent
which may not be a bad thing. "New" voters plus the existing Dem base, plus some Repubs = possibility. Channeling Ross Perot
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. won't work, he will just assure we lose the 2008 race. n/t
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:46 PM
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34. Depends on who you consider to be "we"
WE lose?

We lose every time another DINO is elected to office.

We lose every time we (once again) sacrifice our principles to be "electable".

We lose every time we face opportunity with timidity.

Sorry, I'm not buying the "go along to get along" excuse for spineless Dems anymore. Backing fown, backing down, backing down... on reproductive choice, on the war in Iraq, on civil liberties, on gay rights, on everything WE are supposed to stand for as Dems. Well, if the "we" you are talking about are those who are willing to grab their ankles everytime the Repubs say, "boo!", then that "WE" does not include "ME".

If Russ wants to run third party, he has my vote.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #34
174. Well said.
It's beyond time for the "go along to get along" crap. People are dying. Our country is being destroyed. Time to stand up.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:38 PM
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21. Perhaps Feingold is calling their bluff,
embarrassing them into voting for what they know is right?:shrug:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. There is no vote - The bill is going to committee ,.
What game is he playing? And on FOX?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Thanks, Mass. I'm not getting his
strategy either, unless he's just expressing total disgust because he figures nothing's going to happen. Maybe Faux was the only place that would give him a voice.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. The could come out in support of it, at least.
Public support has no bearing on whether it is going to committee or not.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #32
53. Yes, the fact that they're not taking a position is bad enough on its own!
:mad:

I wonder how many of us have called Reid's office by now...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
60. it does not matter where it goes--ALL senators need to know your
thoughts. Dems, Repugs and Indepen.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #24
63. the Milw. journ. said he was talking to a group of reporters--no one said
he appeared on Fox.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. here. "Talking to journalists in the Senate Press Gallery,"


Talking to journalists in the Senate Press Gallery, Feingold said Bush's decision to eavesdrop on Americans without judicial warrants is in the "strike zone" of what the framers of the Constitution saw as "high crimes and misdemeanors" and is "clearly more serious than anything President Clinton was accused of doing."

Feingold added: "It is reminiscent of what President Nixon was not only accused of doing but was basically removed from office for doing."

Feingold said that although impeachment might not be "good for the country," a censure resolution was a "reasonable" way to say, "Look, the guy broke the law, we have to say something about that . . . and let's get back to work."



Original Story URL:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408006
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
106. could be real messy, real messy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #106
116. We're moving to unknown territory. What did Betty Davis say?
"Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night."

:(
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:28 PM
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9. I've said it before -- completely frustrating.
While I don't think we should vote for censure on Frist's skewed terms, it's also completely disheartening to see the lackluster response from Dem leadership.

And you know what will follow from Harry Reid's office? A predicatable message deploring what Bush is doing, a request to sign a petition, and lastly, the request to forward a few dollars.

Farce is the word that comes to mind.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #9
165. Check out Russ' latest LISTENING SESSION:
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 12:01 PM by Trevelyan
http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/content/367

Meryl_From_NYC
"is the NSA recording this listening session?"

Russ_Feingold
"I’d like to say howdy to all my buddies at the NSA."

.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Quite seriously I admire and support the work they do to stop terrorism. It’s not their fault that the President ordered an illegal version of their otherwise legal and appropriate activities"
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:28 PM
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10. Truth Hurts
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:29 PM
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11. Did he want an up and down vote when it was clearly a trick
from Frist?

Jeez, and on FOX.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
30. Some public support would be nice.
And he didn't want an up or down vote. He wanted a debate.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:46 PM
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33. Calling out his colleagues on FOX is not going to help
Sorry, if it was anybody else, everybody here would be crying murder.

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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. What, like he is convincing Fox viewers that Democrats disagree sometimes?
Yeah, he's really hurting the party there.

If if was anybody else standing up to the Bush administration, I would be surprised, not "crying murder." Russ is on the right side of this issue, that's why no one is crying murder.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #33
46. They'll be playing that reel of him in November...
To waltz into the lair of the enemy and trash Dems....that's bullshit, whether it's deserved or not.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. His colleagues looking for their photo op ran to the media
to decry this move and let the world know that Feingold was impatient...and frustrated
They could have come together on this issue with a unified message.

Biden was the first one on the news this morning....they do not have the balls to go for the knockout punch...they keep letting the opponant get up and regroup.....

What perfect moment are they waiting for? What sign are they looking for to kick the shit out of the repugs....

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #47
55. Biden and Lieberman were worse, I agree.
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 03:58 PM by Mass
but I doubt that many people did defend them this morning.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #47
57. Photo Op?
Who decried this move and said Feingold was impatient?

He's $&#*^(@ right!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:11 PM
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75. Biden...Heard him this morning on the news..
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #33
71. do we know he was on Fox? see my comments above please.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. read the OP and thinkprogess.
They refer to fox as does the rawstory story.

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Democrats_slash_Feingold_move_on_censure_0314.html
Feingold, defending his censure plan today on Fox News, said: “I’m amazed at Democrats, cowering with this president’s numbers so low. The administration just has to raise the specter of the war and the Democrats run and hide…too many Democrats are going to do the same thing they did in 2000 and 2004. In the face of this, they’ll say we’d better just focus on domestic issues… cower to the argument, that whatever you do, if you question administration, you’re helping the terrorists.

Rereading the text on rawstory, I am less shocked than I was by thinkprogress though. It is only half bad as I though.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:42 PM
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93. I know but pic is not a Fox studio shot. They may have picked it up but
Milw J. says Feingold was talking to group of journalists.

The Raw Story leads to the Think progress story.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:50 PM
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148. ?
Crying murder? If Hillary or any other of our supposed "leaders" took a stand like that I'd wet my chinos.

Who gives a rat's ass if it's on Fox. Here you have a leader who doesn't give a damn about presentation, just telling the truth. What a novel idea.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:29 PM
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12. Say it loud, brother!
Notice to other Dem Sens: we're watching you, and we've had enough of this enabling...te clock is ticking on your "representation" of us.

You are NOT guaranteed anything, come November, that you do not earn now....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:29 PM
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13. Thank You Russ!
cowering sniveling fools.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:31 PM
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14. Gore and Kerry did not cower on foreign policy or terror issues.
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 03:40 PM by blm
And Feingold shouldn't be repeating RW talking points, especially when they are meant to lash out at ONE of the senators supporting the censure.

The problem is the media WOULDN'T GIVE Kerry's attacks on Bush's competence the airtime or the benefit of discussion.

Did you hear anyone in corporate media discuss the anti-terror platform during the campaign?

How about the corporate media repeating the talking points from Rove that Dems don't understand the terror issue and have no plans? I guess it's easy to remember something you hear every hour of every day.

Why is this significant now? How many times over the last month have you heard and read supposed journalists say that no Democrat bothered with or even mentioned port security before the ports deal? Or that Democrats were always afraid to take on Bush on the terror issue?

Corporate media is not on the side of the American people and very much AGAINST the Democrats in particular. They will lie about EVERYTHING in order to protect the fascist agenda.

Feingold will be experiencing what it's like to get defined by the GOPcontrolled media - I hope he'll think twice about using RW spin against other Democrats who stuck their necks out.




Kerry Campaign: George W. Bush Failing in War on Terror

9/24/2004 11:49:00 AM


To: National Desk, Political Reporter

Contact: Mark Kitchens of Kerry-Edwards 2004, 202-464-2800;

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Kerry-Edwards campaign today released the following, "George W. Bush is Failing in the War on Terror":

Three years after 9/11, global terrorism is increasing and al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden still threaten America. George W. Bush has made crucial mistakes and the wrong choices in all aspects of the war on terror. It is clearly time to change course to keep America safe.

-- Terrorism is on the Rise and Al Qaeda and Bin Laden Still Threaten America

Global Terrorism is Increasing: Terrorist attacks increased from 2002 to 2003, and since 9/11 the number of terrorist incidents around the world has increased to the highest level in 20 years. ("2003 Patterns of Global Terrorism (amended)," U.S. Department of State)

Thousands of Al Qaeda Militants are Operating Globally: There are an estimated 18,000 militants operating in 60 countries who have been trained by al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has cooperative relationships with at least 20 extremist groups in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa. (CRS, 5/23/03; BBC, 5/25/04; 9/11 Commission Report, 7/22/04)

Al Qaeda Regrouping and Strengthening: While the president has claimed that much of al Qaeda's leadership has been killed or captured, new evidence suggests that the organization is regenerating and bringing in new blood. (New York Times, 8/10/04)

Bin Laden and Al Qaeda Still At Large and Plotting Against America: Senior administration officials admit that 3 years after 9/11, bin Laden and his chief lieutenants are directing al Qaeda to launch an attack in America this year. And Major General Eric Olson, the commanding general of Combined Joint Task Forces in Afghanistan, admits that the U.S. military has no idea where bin Laden or his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri are. (New York Times, 7/9/04; AP, 9/11/04)

Al Qaeda Has a U.S. Presence: According to U.S. law enforcement authorities, al Qaeda sleeper cells continue to recruit and operate in the United States. (Washington Times, 2/11/04)

Al Qaeda is Adapting: Al Qaeda is developing more sophisticated communications systems to evade detection and terrorist groups now effectively use the Internet to get new recruits. (National Journal's Technology Daily, 3/22/04)

-- Bush: CRUCIAL Mistakes in Every ASPECT of the War ON TERROR

Military

Gravest Error was Allowing bin Laden to Escape: Administration and military officials admit that failing to go after a cornered bin Laden was the "gravest error" in the war on terror. (Washington Post, 4/17/02)

Bush Diverted Critical Resources in the Hunt for bin Laden to Iraq: Up to half of the intelligence and special forces hunting for bin Laden were diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. (KnightRidder/Tribune News Service, 9/5/03)

Bush Shifted $700 Million From Afghanistan to Iraq: In summer 2002, Bush shifted $700 million from supplemental funding for Afghanistan to "preparatory tasks" in the Persian Gulf region aimed at accommodating a massive U.S. troop deployment. (Washington Post, 4/18/04)

Bush Diverted "the Perfect Weapon" From the Hunt for Bin Laden to Iraq: Bush removed nearly all the Predator UAVs from Afghanistan in early 2002. According to a Senior Senate Intelligence Committee member, pulling the "perfect weapon" from Afghanistan for Iraq undermined the war against al Qaeda in Afghanistan. (Graham, Intelligence Matters, pg.121)

Afghanistan is on the Brink of Again Becoming a Terrorist Haven: The Administration neglected Afghanistan to the point where it is now in danger of again becoming a terrorist breeding ground. (United Nations Development Report, 3/30/04)

Pakistan-Afghan Border Remains Key Sanctuary for Terrorists: Despite record levels of U.S. aid to Pakistan, the Bush administration has failed to secure more aggressive cooperation in tracking down terrorists. The Pakistan-Afghan border remains one of the world's major sanctuaries for terrorists. (CRS, "Removing Terrorist Sanctuaries," 8/10/04)

Violence Against Americans in Afghanistan is Increasing: More than twice as many Americans have been killed in combat already in 2004 than in all of 2003. (icasualties.org)

Drug Trade is Funding al Qaeda and the Taliban: Afghanistan now accounts for 75 percent of total world opium production and heroin-trafficking has become a principal source of funding for the Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorists. (TIME, 8/9/04)

Intelligence

Fewer Experienced Intelligence Agents Tracking bin Laden Now: The CIA has fewer experienced case officers hunting Osama bin Laden than it did on 9/11 and there has been no systematic effort to groom al Qaeda expertise among C.I.A. officers since then. (New York Times, 9/15/04)

Bush Opposed 9-11 Commission: After opposing the 9/11 Commission and neglecting intelligence reform for over three years, the Bush administration introduced an intelligence reform plan that still falls short of the 9/11 Commission's recommendations. (New York Times, 9/17/04; ABC News, 9/20/02)

Administration Ally Chalabi Reportedly Leaked Crucial Intelligence: Former administration confidant Ahmad Chalabi reportedly leaked to Iran -- the world's most active sponsor of terrorism -- that the U.S. had broken its secret intelligence code. (New York Times, 6/2/04)

Administration Leak Ends Key CIA al Qaeda Sting Operation: In June 2004, the administration leaked the identity of an al Qaeda computer expert involved in a key undercover CIA sting operation -- which had led to the arrests of other terrorists -- while explaining the decision to raise the terror alert. (Washington Post, 8/10/04)

Keeping Nuclear Weapons Away from Terrorists

Failed Diplomacy as North Korea and Iran Advance Nuclear Weapons Programs: Failed diplomacy has allowed nuclear programs in Iran and North Korea to advance -- new intelligence reports show that North Korea may now have produced enough fuel to triple or quadruple its nuclear arsenal. (New York Times, 8/8/04, 8/27/04)

Less Nuclear Material Secured After 9/11: The amount of nuclear material secured in the two years immediately following the 9/11 attacks was actually less than the amount secured in the two years immediately before the attacks. (Bunn and Wier, "Securing the Bomb," 2004)

Failure to Provide Sufficient Funding: The Bush administration requested only a 2 percent increase in funding for WMD securing programs after 9/11. (Bunn and Wier, "Securing the Bomb," 2004)

Cutting-off Financing

Diplomatic Failure Leads to Delays in Shutting Down Key Source of Terrorist Financing: According to the 9/11 Commission, the administration's ineffective diplomacy and failure to share intelligence led to a lengthy delay in getting the Saudis to shut down Al Haramian, a charity that was a major source of terrorist funding. (9/11 Commission "Monograph on Terrorist Funding," 8/04)

Administration Rejects Funding Increases: The administration refused a request by the IRS to increase investigators of terrorist financing by 50 percent to save $12 million in FY05. (New York Times, 3/31/04)

Asset Seizures Slowing: Since 9/11, the United States and its international partners have seized $200 million in terrorist assets, but the seizure rate has dramatically slowed between 2002 and 2003. (U.S. Department of Treasury, "Progress on the war on terrorist funding," 9/11/03; New York Times, 12/12/03)

Homeland Security

Opposed Creation of Department of Homeland Security: Bush opposed creation of DHS, telling Congress that "there does not need to be a Cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security." (White House Press Briefing, 10/24/01)

Bush Thinks Homeland Security is Not a Federal Responsibility: Despite obvious threats to our infrastructure, there is no national plan. Bush believes that safeguarding the nation's critical infrastructure is not even a federal responsibility. (GAO 01-3233; Steven Flynn, Foreign Affairs, September/October 2004)

Insufficient Funding for Port Security: We can currently verify the contents of only 4 to 6 percent of the 21,000 containers that enter the United States every day -- yet we spend more in four days in Iraq than we have spent in the three years since 9/11 on protecting our commercial seaports. (M.R. Dismore, Chief Executive Port of Seattle, Washington Post, 9/17/04; Stephen Flynn, Meet the Press, 7/18/04)

Failure to Secure Chemical Plants: There are 123 chemical plants that could threaten more than one million nearby residents, and 7,728 chemical plants where an attack could endanger more than 1,000 -- yet Bush decided in 2002 to drop chemical plant security regulations, a major victory for chemical manufacturers who have contributed at least $1.5 million to his campaigns. (Wall Street Journal, 8/20/04; America at Risk, 1/04)

Air Cargo Still Not Screened for Explosives: Twenty-two percent of the nation's air cargo travels on passenger flights, and 2.8 million tons of cargo is transported by passenger planes annually -- yet the TSA continues to not screen air cargo for explosives. (GAO-04-285T, 11/20/03)

Failure to Get Funds to First Responders: A U.S. Conference of Mayors report found that 76 percent of cities had not received critical infrastructure and first responder funding, the exact same number of cities that reported not receiving funding 5 months earlier. (U.S. Conference of Mayors, "Third Report to the Nation," 6/25/04)

No Rail Security Strategy: More than 2 million rail cars and 500 train stations are used by millions of commuters in America each day -- yet DHS still lacks a strategy to defend the railways and the same day of the Madrid attacks the Bush Administration cut essential DHS funds (UPI, 11/01/01; TSA 7/15/04; GAO-03-435)

Winning the War of Ideas

Public Diplomacy in Shambles: U.S. public diplomacy is "worse than failing" according to a member of a White House-appointed advisory group on public diplomacy. Even Condoleezza Rice recently admitted the administration's public diplomacy efforts are disorganized. (Washington Post, 8/20/04)

Weak Effort to Reach Out to the Middle East: One State Department official even went so far as calling Bush's Broader Middle East Democracy Initiative "feel-good mumbo jumbo," asking "If this is so important, where's the money?" (Washington Post, 8/20/04)

America's Standing in the World Has Plummeted: With our NATO Allies: A majority of people polled in Germany, France, and Turkey -- and half of all Britons -- believe the Iraq war undermined the fight against terrorism. And Particularly in the Muslim World: Three years after 9/11, even in many moderate Muslim countries like Jordan and Morocco, Osama bin Laden is more popular than the United States of America. (Pew Global Attitudes Project, 3/16/04)

Exchange Programs Declining: Long considered one of the most effective ways of bolstering a positive U.S. image abroad, international education exchange programs have decreased significantly under this administration. Visa applications are down nearly 24 percent since 2001, and international graduate school applications are down 32 percent since 2003. ("Foreign Students and Homeland Security: Issues and Answers," Heritage Foundation, 8/2/04)

Rumsfeld: We Are Putting Little Effort into Long Term Plan: "With respect to global terrorism, the record since September 11th seems to be....We are having mixed results with Al Qaida....Today, we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror. Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?...The US is putting relatively little effort into a long-range plan...." (Internal DoD Memo, "Global War on Terrorism," Rumsfeld, 10/16/03; Reprinted in USA Today, 10/22/03)

Denying Terrorist Sanctuaries

Bush Has No Serious Failed States Strategy: While Bush's 2002 National Security Strategy states, "America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones," -- the White House still must "match that rhetoric with action" for 31 countries that lack the capacity to stop terrorist groups from operating within their borders. (Bush National Security Strategy, 2002, Center for Global Development, "On the Brink," 5/04)

9/11 Commission: Much to be Done on Failed States: 9/11 Commission says much remains to be done to identify and prioritize actual or potential terrorist sanctuaries and that Bush needs a realistic strategy to keep possible terrorists insecure and on the run. (9/11 Commission Report, 7/22/04)

Millennium Challenge Account Doesn't Help Failed States: George Bush's Millennium Challenge Account, which still hasn't distributed a single dollar and is only funded at 20 percent of the President's own funding estimates, won't help failed states because they don't have the institutional capacity to meet the benchmark criteria for receiving funding. (Washington Post, 9/8/04, Washington Post, 8/10/04, Final Report of the bi-partisan Commission on Post-Conflict Reconstruction, January 2003)

Bush Policy Toward Saudi Arabia Hesitant and Sporadic: Bush's policy toward oil-rich Saudi Arabia has been marked by hesitancy and missteps for the kingdom's half-hearted efforts to crack down on those who practice and preach terror. (9/11 Commission, "Monograph on Terrorist Financing," 8/04)

Epidemics Like HIV/AIDS Can Weaken States -- Bush cuts Global Fund Funding by 64 Percent: Bush's FY2005 budget cuts U.S. funding to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria by 64 percent to a meager $200 million. (Newsweek, 7/14/04)

THE KERRY-EDWARDS PLAN:

John Kerry's Plan for Winning the War on Terror

The most important choices we face are about national security. And the most urgent national security challenge we face is the war against al Qaeda and likeminded terrorists around the world. John Kerry has a comprehensive strategy to win the war on terror and keep America safe.

As president, he will: (1) destroy terrorist networks -- by transforming our military and reforming our intelligence services -- and prevent them from again taking root in Afghanistan; (2) prevent nuclear terrorism; (3) cut-off sources of terrorist financing; (4) protect the homeland by securing America's ports, borders, and critical infrastructure, enhancing chemical, nuclear, aviation and rail security, defending against bio-terrorism, and providing our first responders the resources they need; (5) use all elements of our national power to deny new terrorist recruits and havens and prevent terrorists from poisoning minds around the world; (6) support democracies in the Arab and Muslim world; and (7) restore alliances to combat terrorist networks across the globe.

I. DESTROY TERRORIST NETWORKS. John Kerry has a stronger, smarter strategy for destroying the terrorists before they can attack us. He will:

Direct Effective Use of Military Force to Destroy Terrorist Networks. Kerry will use military force to kill terrorists and destroy their networks. He will never cede our national security to any other nation or institution.

Transform the Military to Meet Modern Threats. Kerry will ensure that our military is fully prepared to meet the new security challenges by: (1) expanding our active duty forces by 40,000 soldiers so that we have enough troops to take the fight to the terrorists wherever they are; (2) doubling America's Special Forces capability and increasing other specialized personnel who are trained and equipped to destroy terrorists; (3) completing the process of technological transformation; (4) redirecting the National Guard to assume homeland security as an additional mission; and (5) keeping faith with our veterans and military families.

Reform our Intelligence Services to Prevent Terrorist Attacks. Kerry will act immediately on the 9-11 Commission recommendations and reform our intelligence services to better prevent terrorist attacks, including: (1) creating a National Intelligence Director with real control over personnel and budgets throughout the intelligence community; (2) reorganizing the intelligence community around issue-oriented task forces to maximize coordination and efficiency in addressing the greatest threats we face; (3) strengthening human intelligence by doubling the CIA's overseas clandestine personnel; and (4) ensuring an independent domestic intelligence capability within the FBI.

Deny Sanctuary in Afghanistan. Afghanistan has become a forgotten front in the war on terror. Al Qaeda is regrouping and strengthening. Twice as many American soldiers have died in combat so far this year than in all of last year. John Kerry will ensure that America finishes the job we started in Afghanistan, and that the country receives the security, political, and economic resources it needs. He will:

-- Expand NATO Beyond Kabul. As president, Kerry will exercise real leadership by getting NATO to accelerate the expansion of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) outside Kabul and commit to sustaining an expansion of its troops beyond the election period.

-- Stop the Drug Trade. Poppy production has exploded over the past three years, fueling continued instability. Afghanistan now accounts for 75 percent of global opium production. To stop the booming drug trade, Kerry will, among other things, double counter-narcotics assistance and expedite the growth of an Afghan counter-narcotics force whose specific mandate is to track down and destroy Afghanistan's druglords as well as their drug infrastructure and drug processing facilities.

-- Expedite the Warlord Disarmament and Reintegration Program. The presence of large warlord militias - with as many as 60,000 fighters across the country - is the principle cause of insecurity and a challenge to the authority of the Karzai government. Kerry will provide increased support -- including back-up military support where necessary -- to crucial disarmament and demobilization efforts.

-- Improve Security Training. Only by strengthening Afghan security capabilities can Afghanistan be truly safe and secure. Kerry will strengthen critical security training initiatives, including bolstering support to the Afghan National Army and national police training programs.

II. PREVENT NUCLEAR TERRORISM. John Kerry believes that preventing nuclear terrorism must be our primary national security priority.

He will:

-- Secure and Reduce Nuclear Stockpiles. Kerry's plan will safeguard existing stockpiles of nuclear weapons and materials in the former Soviet Union within four years, create an international partnership to establish and enforce an international standard for the safe custody of nuclear weapons and materials, safeguard nuclear materials at research reactors around the world, and reduce existing stockpiles of nuclear weapons and materials.

-- Institute a Verifiable Global Ban on the Production of New Bomb Making Materials. A Kerry administration will end production of fissile materials for use in nuclear weapons through a Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty with real verification mechanisms.

-- Lead an International Effort to End Nuclear Weapons Programs in North Korea and Iran.

North Korea: While the administration has made no meaningful progress in negotiations over the past 18 months, North Korea has reportedly quadrupled its nuclear weapons capability. Kerry will work with our allies to reduce tensions and get the six-party talks with North Korea back on track. He will also be prepared to talk directly with the North Koreans because we should speak for ourselves when our security is at stake. And he will ensure that any final agreement leads to the verifiable and irreversible elimination of North Korea's nuclear weapons program and addresses the full range of issues of concern to us and our allies.

Iran: For far too long, the Bush Administration has sat on the sidelines while Iran has advanced its nuclear program. America needs to lead because a nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable. John Kerry will make clear to Iran that America will lead an international effort to push for tough measures, including sanctions, if Iran does not comply with the IAEA resolution by permanently suspending its uranium enrichment program and provide verifiable assurances that it is not trying to develop nuclear weapons.

-- Strengthen the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). As president, Kerry will work to close the loophole in the NPT that allows countries to develop nuclear weapons capabilities under the guise of a civilian nuclear power program, and make adoption of the additional inspection protocol mandatory.

III. CUT-OFF TERRORIST FINANCING. From his experience leading the Senate's BCCI investigation, John Kerry understands the importance of stopping the flow of illicit funds to terrorists. He will: (1) impose financial sanctions against any bank that fails to cooperate in the effort to control money laundering, and, if needed, against nations; (2) work with our allies and the World Bank and international financial institutions to shut down the financial pipeline to terrorists; (3) speak openly and plainly about Saudi shortcomings, and get tough with them when it comes to allowing financing of terrorism and spreading an anti-American ideology - there will be no sacred cows when it comes to protecting America; and (4) pursue a plan to make America independent of Mideast oil so that we can rely on our own innovation and ingenuity.

IV. PROTECT THE HOMELAND. Americans deserve a stronger homeland security strategy that protects us from the threats we face. Kerry's comprehensive strategy addresses the critical security gaps that continue to remain after 4 years of ineffective leadership by George W. Bush.

-- Secure America's Ports and Borders. Currently, the United States inspects only about 5 percent of the containers coming into our country. John Kerry supports a six-fold increase in critical initiatives to inspect cargo overseas and to subject companies that do not meet minimum security standards themselves to tougher inspection. Currently, these programs are woefully under-funded and do impose adequate barriers to terrorists seeking to attack America. He will work with our allies in Canada and Mexico as well as our other trade partners to coordinate our personnel and technology to create the Smart Borders necessary to keep commerce flowing while keeping terrorists out. And a Kerry administration will ensure that we create a single, effective, and integrated terrorist watch list that is accessible to everyone who needs it, including agents along our borders and the cops on our streets.

-- Enhance Aviation. Kerry will implement explosives screening for airplane passengers and obtain the equipment needed to screen air cargo just as we screen passenger baggage. To achieve these goals, he will triple the current level of investment in the purchase and installation of explosive detection screening equipment. He will also ensure that our airports have the trained staff necessary to provide the strong and smarter security America deserves.

-- Expand Rail and Subway Security. As president, John Kerry will make new investments of more than $2 billion to protect our mass transit systems and improve the security of our rail systems, including the purchase of more surveillance equipment and better fencing for high-risk areas.

-- Secure America's Chemical Plants and Other Critical Infrastructure. John Kerry will require chemical plants to develop and implement security plans, including measures to use less dangerous chemicals where that is feasible. Kerry will ensure security at our nuclear plants, including adequate fencing and surveillance, as well as armed, trained, and competent security forces. Because 85 percent of our critical infrastructure is owned by the private sector, Kerry will lead the effort to establish the public-private partnerships necessary to devise security precautions that make sense.

-- Defend against Bio-terrorism. Kerry will: (1) make the investments America's public health system needs to detect bioterrorist threats to our communities, and that our hospitals and emergency rooms need to contain bioterrorism; (2) improve the capability for our health system to develop and implement distribution plans for vaccines; (3) lead efforts to increase and improve our stockpiles of medicines; and (4) expedite development of new vaccines.

-- Provide our First Responders the Resources they Need. America's first responders need the equipment and manpower to do the job right. Our local officials shouldn't have to choose between security and public education -- we can do better. To make our homeland security strategy more efficient, Kerry will bring the people on the front lines together to design the standard capabilities needed to respond to a terrorist attack. And he will work to get federal dollars to communities faster and more efficiently.

V. DENY TERRORISTS SAFE HAVENS AND NEW RECRUITS. John Kerry knows that to win the war on terror, America must use all elements of national power to deny terrorists new havens and recruits and prevent terrorists from poisoning minds around the world. America must show that we are willing to use our economic power for the common good; to defeat abject poverty and disease that destroy lives and create failed states in every part of the world.

Work to Prevent Weak and Failing States from Becoming Terrorist Havens. Kerry will work with our allies and the international community to develop comprehensive strategies to strengthen weak states and secure and rebuild failed states around the world.

-- Strategically Target Assistance to Weak and Failed States. As president, Kerry will provide strategically focused assistance to weak and failed states to help them build democratic institutions, better secure their territories, and achieve broad-based economic development. Kerry will help them increase their capacity to meet the needs of their citizens for decent, basic education, basic health and disease prevention services and support the development of small and medium-size enterprises.

-- Develop Rapid Response Capacity. John Kerry will develop an enlarged country-in-transition fund to enable the U.S. government to respond swiftly to crises and opportunities in weak and failed states. With our allies, we will also support initiatives to increase the capacity of developing countries and regional organizations such as the African Union and ASEAN to respond rapidly with peacekeeping force to prevent and resolve conflicts. The United States must provide the leadership needed for this effort to really succeed.

-- Refocus Diplomatic, Intelligence and Other Assets on Failed States. The 2002 National Security Strategy stated: "America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones." Yet the Bush administration's distribution of our diplomatic, intelligence and other assets does not reflect that. A Kerry administration will ensure that America has the best intelligence possible on weak and failed states.

-- Share Burden with Allies and International Community. America cannot bear the burden of strengthening weak states and securing and rebuilding failed states around the world alone - our allies, regional powers and international institutions must also do their share. Kerry will rebuild our alliances and bring others in the international community together to address the risks that failed states pose to people all over the world.

-- Lead a Global Education Initiative. Under a new Global Education Initiative, America will lead the world to provide universal basic education by 2015. It is critical that we not only seek to empower reformers to achieve quality public education through the Arab and Muslim world -- where a lack of funding has helped foster radical schools that teach hate -- but that we also support a global effort for free universal education throughout Africa and the developing world. Increasing education in poor nations -- especially for girls -- has been shown to be extremely effective in raising incomes, reducing infant mortality and preventing the spread of HIV/AIDS.

-- Cancel the Debt of the World's Poorest Countries. John Kerry supports wiping clean the debts of the world's most heavily indebted poor countries (HIPC) that are reforming their economies and investing in their human capital. Debt relief will give them a fresh start to invest in health, education, and infrastructure. And Kerry will direct his Secretary of the Treasury to initiate negotiations with the Paris Club of Official Creditors, the World Bank, the IMF, and others with the goal of modifying the Enhanced Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative to provide substantially greater debt reduction to a broader set of poor countries. Kerry understands that debt cancellation should not come at the expense of future foreign aid flows to poor countries.

-- Address Global Health Priorities. Epidemics can decimate societies and contribute to weak and failed states, which can become safe havens and recruiting grounds for terrorists and other criminal elements. John Kerry will invest more in health care infrastructure in weak and failing states, and dedicate greater attention and increased resources to training health care professionals and community health care workers. As president, Kerry will double the U.S. funding to fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria to $30 billion by 2008 and encourage other countries, corporations and foundations to do their share. And in a Kerry administration, global health policy will be driven by science instead of ideology.

VI. SUPPORT DEMOCRACIES IN THE ARAB AND MUSLIM WORLD. We must support the development of free and democratic societies in the Arab and Muslim world to win the war of ideas. While countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Uzbekistan, have at times helped us in the hunt for individual terrorists, they have not always been good allies in turning back the terrorists' cause. In a Kerry administration, America will be clear with repressive governments in the region that we expect to see them change, not just for our sake but for their own survival. And Kerry will restore America's moral authority by leading by example and by promoting respect for the rule of law.

-- Launch a Major Public Diplomacy Initiative. Kerry will lead a major initiative in public diplomacy to train a new generation of American scholars, diplomats, military officers, and democracy builders who understand the Arab and Muslim world, just as we built our knowledge of the Soviet empire during the Cold War. And Kerry will open diplomatic posts and invest in academic programs, scholarships and exchanges with the Muslim world so we can build better bridges and craft more effective policies.

-- Convene a Summit to Increase Mutual Cooperation. As president, John Kerry will convene -- and attend -- a summit with European partners and leaders from the Muslim world to discuss how we can collectively work together to establish new programs aimed at increasing mutual understanding, economic growth, and the fight against terror.

VII. RESTORE ALLIANCES TO COMBAT TERRORIST NETWORKS ACROSS THE GLOBE. Kerry will ensure that America always remains the world's paramount military power. He will also restore alliances to magnify our power, and increase intelligence and law enforcement coordination so that we can stop terrorists hidden around the world before they can strike at us.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:33 PM
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15. Bingo. The fact that EVERY Dem Senator has not already announced ...
... they're 100 % support of Senator Feingold's censure resolution IS the issue. They are complicit in Bush's crimes and they make that ever more indelibly obvious as each moment passes.


Be The Bu$h Opposition - 24/7
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:28 PM
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124. Kerry has
I'm so proud he's got my Senator's back.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 08:19 PM
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134. I'm very grateful that he has supported Sen Feingold and US.
Peace.
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:34 PM
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17. Memo to Senate Dems!
Grow a backbone! We are watching!

Go Russ!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:36 PM
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18. It's a line in the sand and every Democratic Senator better
listen up, for once!

So what if the Cons all vote no and it gets voted down! It only shows that they do NOT support and defend their oaths to protect the Constitution and the rule of law!!!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:37 PM
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19. If this is true, Feingold is wrong to call out his colleagues in the senate
he should have and should be continuing to gain their support. This is becoming more and more about Feingold and less about being a team player and including the rest of the team.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:42 PM
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27. I am going to wait before weighing in on this....
My knee-jerk reaction is that what he is saying is wrong. Perhaps he is calling them out.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:48 PM
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35. Wrong again.
This is less and less about Feingold, and more and more about getting Democrats to stand for something other than political cautiousness.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:49 PM
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38. Agree. Did he discuss with any other Dems first or just lay it out there?
I'm just askin'. If he forced their hands....yeah, I'd be a little peeved at him too. I need to know more about it.

But to go on Fox and flame Dems....that's kinda effed up.
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chicofaraby Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:51 PM
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What's to "think" about?
Either you support censure or you support secret warrantless spying by the government.

Can't you decide in about 10 seconds?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:54 PM
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50. Welcome to DU!
And uh, yes, I do not support Bush's programs. That's why I'm here. How 'bout you?
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chicofaraby Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:00 PM
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61. Thanks for the welcome.
If you guys don't stop being nice to me, I'm gonna freak out. I'm a Yahoo refugee.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:01 PM
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64. All sunshine, bubbles...and a free pony, here on DU!
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:02 PM by Hobarticus
hang out in GD for awhile longer, it usually gets pretty ugly.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 08:02 PM
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133. If you could stand yahoo
We have to salute you. I couldn't take it for 10 minutes. A warm welcome...stay a while...may I offer you a drink? :toast:
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:53 PM
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45. I'm greatful that someone is speaking up for us
forcing hands or not.

It's about time the people mattered to a politician
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:49 PM
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39. Where is the "rest of the team"?
Except for the expected squeals from the BushPuppies, the "team" has been silent in their support for Feingold.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:47 PM
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103. The rest of the team ran like scared b*tches back to the locker room
as soon as the opponents got off the bus.
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chancew Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:49 PM
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40. Are you kidding? ......
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:44 PM
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128. He shouldn't have to gain their support
Any Senate Dem worth his/her salt should have been racing Feingold to the Senate floor to propose censure first!!

My GOD, what is there to think about or wait for?? All you had to do was listen to Specter drool into the microphone yesterday to understand what the Repugs are doing to the Constitution!! These people believe Article II and the IRW give the President unlimited power to break any law he wants!! And he's been breaking this one to spy on US peace activists, not terr'ists!!

I apologize for the exclamation points, but DAY-um.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:49 PM
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140. Amen! And I'm glad, because our team has struck out in too many
innings. My thought? Russ is making it okay to speak of these things in public. Just like very few courageous Dems made it okay to be anti war a few years back.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:39 PM
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23. Take 'em to school Russ!
This is that "plain spoken" thing Russ does. It's not just a fun little campaign line. He actually does speak his mind. Don't be afraid of it. :D
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:41 PM
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25. Well, the Corporate Republican MSM would be all over
Infighting between the Democrats, regarding Feingold's resolution, and parrot it non-stop.

In the process, they inadvertently report what the resolution is all about, and coverage is obtained for the need of meaningful investigations of BushCo's crimes.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:45 PM
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31. I think Bush has something on these cowards.
They're all scared of being exposed.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:51 PM
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43. they are scared of getting
envelopes full of anthrax...just like Leahy and Daschle. Remember only 2 dems were targets?
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:48 PM
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36. thank you, Russ, for speaking for me---that makes about 5 Congressmen alto
gether who do
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:50 PM
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42. go Russ go
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:52 PM
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44. and in MJS he said the WH has intimitated the Dems (people)


http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408006



....Talking to journalists in the Senate Press Gallery, Feingold said Bush's decision to eavesdrop on Americans without judicial warrants is in the "strike zone" of what the framers of the Constitution saw as "high crimes and misdemeanors" and is "clearly more serious than anything President Clinton was accused of doing."

Feingold added: "It is reminiscent of what President Nixon was not only accused of doing but was basically removed from office for doing."

Feingold said that although impeachment might not be "good for the country," a censure resolution was a "reasonable" way to say, "Look, the guy broke the law, we have to say something about that . . . and let's get back to work."

Feingold said "people are afraid to engage in what needs to be done, which is to call the president to task, because the White House spin machine is ready to intimidate everyone."
____________
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:54 PM
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48. Feingold may have a winning strategy here.
If the primaries are starting early, run against the wussy Dems.

It worked for Howard Dean until Iowa.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:58 PM
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56. He said that Dem 'strategists" are telling Dems it is a losing issue but
he said he knows the President did wrong and will stick to this issue.

This was in one of the press articles.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:02 PM
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65. I just reposted this thought in a new thread...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:02 PM
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66. Can those Dem "strategists" tie their own shoes?
:wtf:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:54 PM
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49. Good for him.
He's right - on this issue, he's right. However, his presentation was flawed, he should have lined up his ducks before taking this out full swing.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:57 PM
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54. You think he could have lined them up to go against he mighty Bush?
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 03:59 PM by Generator
Thanks for the laugh. The Dems we have don't even support KERRY-their nominee from last time-the only one that actually nominally stands up to Bush. They didn't support Murtha. They only support the status quo. Let's another committee! Let's study it more! Oh and I thought of others that are just too wacky for them-the head of the DNC-DEAN whom they never stand behind either. Whom do they support? Just themselves apparently.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:03 PM
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67. Amen and hallelujah.
And we're so far past sick and tired of it.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:26 PM
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82. I don't know what he attempted, but leadership requires foresight
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:28 PM by mzmolly
I'm not sure if he applied it or not. I'll await more information before I solidify my opinion on this issue.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:05 PM
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72. He couldn't find them
They were all hiding in the blind.

Oh, except Lieberman. He was the one going "They're over here, Dick. Just don't point the gun at me, OK?"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:54 PM
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51. Toll free number and website to sign his Censure resolution.

Sign Feingold Censure petition at:

http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/page/petition/nsa0206

Hold the President Accountable on Illegal Wiretapping!

TOLL FREE NUMBER: 1-888-355-3588
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:55 PM
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52. He is right they are cowards. Help terrorism by not standing up to Bush.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:58 PM
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58. Sign the MoveOn.org petition to censure pResident*
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:01 PM by wordpix2
Maybe if the senators are flooded by emails, phone calls and petitions, they'll begin to notice they should do something about the Dick*-tators.

http://political.moveon.org/censure?id=7035-5180434-cfx7QDhBiRR.tu1V2NYoVg&t=2
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:59 PM
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59. Do we have a full transcript. May be what he actually said is a little
bit different.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #59
74. the pic was not a Fox studio. Milw Journal says he was talking to a
group of jounalists in their article this morning.



http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/14/feingold-accuses/
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:12 PM
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78. fox news picked him up for their programing but looks like he was
talking to many diff. jounals. so i do not think there is a transcript.



....Talking to journalists in the Senate Press Gallery, Feingold said Bush's decision to eavesdrop on Americans without judicial warrants is in the "strike zone" of what the framers of the Constitution saw as "high crimes and misdemeanors" and is "clearly more serious than anything President Clinton was accused of doing."

Feingold added: "It is reminiscent of what President Nixon was not only accused of doing but was basically removed from office for doing."

Feingold said that although impeachment might not be "good for the country," a censure resolution was a "reasonable" way to say, "Look, the guy broke the law, we have to say something about that . . . and let's get back to work."



Original Story URL:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408006
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:13 PM
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79. Thanks, that is good to know.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #59
100. the Raw Story clickes back to the Think progess story for the quote.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:00 PM
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62. From the RAW STORY article - this line says it all, doesn't it?
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:02 PM by DancingBear
(this article is about how Democratic Senators are "fuming" at Feingold for proposing the censure)


"They say that his move had the potential to derail Democratic efforts to strengthen the party's image on homeland security issues, noting that a large part of the country believes the eavesdropping program should continue."

Quick, someone start another "why Senator <insert any name but Feingold> is really smart and if we understood politics we'd know why he/she was doing what he/she is doing" post!


:sarcasm:




Feingold - 1

Spineless Brethren - 0
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:04 PM
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69. sad but true, what more can be said? nt
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rhombus Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:04 PM
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70. Thank you Sen. Feingold. It needed to be said
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:05 PM by rhombus
Yeah, I don't care whether he said it openly. Shine the damn spotlight on the weak Democrats for once.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:08 PM
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73. Right on, RUSS! Now, this is a man who tells it like it is.....

Now, we just need 99 more just like him!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:12 PM
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76. Senator, YOU RULE!
We've waited a long time. You are our knight in shining armor. Thank you.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:16 PM
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80. Hallaleujah! A Democratic senator with a fully articulating spine is here
Thank you Russ, for actually saying what needs to be said. My God, Bushboy's poll numbers are in the toilet, support for the war is gone, even the Freepers are turning on their tinpot dictator of a god, now is the time to take Bush to task for not just the spying, but for all his crimes.

And yet the overwhelming majority of Dems sit on their hands and are deathly still. It is absolutely infuriating, and this country has suffered terribly these past years due to Democratic inaction. High time that somebody of prominence, somebody who could get the ear of the media, take these spineless wusses to task, and hopefully shame them into doing the right thing.

You go Russ, you go! And thank you so much for doing the right thing.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:18 PM
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81. If the tutus fit...
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:56 PM
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110. LOL!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:34 PM
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83. Feingold's NOT helping his case at all here
First, Feingold unleashes his plan on "This Week" Sunday morning, without sending the text of the bill to any other senator. No one knew about his plan until Sunday morning - he made no attempt to garner support, no attempt to reach out, nada.

Some of the most reliably liberal Democrats - Kerry, Boxer, Kennedy (?) - come out in support of him.

Then - after HE has failed to even try to get a coalition together on this censure issue - Feingold attacks Democrats for not jumping on? If he was so concerned, WHY didn't he try to get some on board beforehand?

I will assume Feingold is referring here to people like Reid who have spoken out against it and who likely would not have supported him had he approached him beforehand. It is fair to criticize those people, but the fact that he did NOT approach anyone beforehand, and today decides to go on TV and lambaste Democrats for not immediately piling on, smacks of opportunism. Feingold is doing a really good job of making himself look like a grandstander pulling a political stunt, which is a shame.

Yes, Democrats SHOULD support a censure. So should Republicans. I do NOT disagree with Feingold's decision to propose one. However, it is increasingly clear that his method of going about this is as divisive and, well, selfish as possible. The least he could have done was gotten a coalition together and pushed the reasons for a censure and demanded an invesigation instead of going off on a half-cocked rant on FOX NEWS of all places. I want this to succeed, but Feingold isn't helping his case at all by going out of his way to look like a grandstander.

If some Democrats like Reid don't want to support the censure, then fuck them - but Feingold still could have gone about this MUCH better.
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chicofaraby Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:38 PM
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88. This is the problem
" The least he could have done was gotten a coalition together and pushed the reasons for a censure and demanded an invesigation "

Yes. He could have done it the usual Democratic way. That has worked SO well in the past.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:43 PM
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95. That makes no sense
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:44 PM by WildEyedLiberal
Are you saying you'd rather have one person sponsoring censure instead of five or ten?

Censure is an act of the whole Congress - not a proposal by one single senator. It takes a majority vote to censure.
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chicofaraby Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:52 PM
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109. No that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that given a choice between starting a fight and talking about whether it is popular to start a fight, Feingold started a fight.

I'm glad he did.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #109
117. Right on target there....
I like your posts, welcome to DU.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #109
159. I second the "liking your posts"
and welcome to DU! There's actual thinking going on here (most of the time), quite unlike Yahoo! :hi:
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:57 AM
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163. I agree with Chico - All the Dems voted for the odious "Patriot" ENABLING
Act two weeks ago, without even the civil liberties protections of Feingold's amendments, save for Feingold, Leahy and retiring Independent Jeffords. How many Dems just refused to vote to filibuster Alito???

I'm glad Russ had the courage to JUST DO IT!!!
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:03 PM
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152. Bullshit. The solution is EASY. Vote for censure...that it. Very simple
Feingold did the best he could in the face of his peers' cowardice and personal political calculation.

J
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:34 PM
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84. He is 100% correct. Many Democrats are spineless wimps. n/t
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:36 PM
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85. Gore/Feingold '08!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:37 PM
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86. "he is doing the right thing" says Donna Brazil just now on Wolf, cnn
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:37 PM
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87. she says it is time for Dems to develope backbone--
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:38 PM
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89. Donna says Russ is standing up to for the Constitution.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. she also said--yes, dems are hesistant now--like they were when Murtha
spoke up--but look--the President is doing that now. 2006 is the year of transition out of Iraq -per his speech yesterday.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:47 PM
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102. THANK YOU! If Donna Brazile thinks it is right
how can moderate Democrats think it is wrong?!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:41 PM
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91. does this mean he DID try to get support from other Dems in the Senate and
they wouldn't do it?
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:45 PM
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98. No. He said himself on "This Week" that no one else knew but him.
He did not give them the text of the bill until after that. After Sunday morning, I know at least Kerry has come out in support of censure - I think Boxer and Harkin have as well.

No clue about anyone else as yet.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:45 PM
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99. the TEXT of the bill, but the general idea was well known
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:51 PM
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108. No one knew he was doing this AT ALL until Sunday morning nt
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:57 PM
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149. do you have a link for that
I would like to see where he says that he didn't tell anyone about it until Sunday morning.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:41 PM
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92. Russ speaks for us!! Now let's get his back. Call your Senators and ask...
...them this question:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2512789&mesg_id=2512789

Call Dems and Cons alike! Demand an answer! Let's support Russ!

NGU.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:44 PM
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96. called the Sr Senator from WI and asked him to support the Jr Senator
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:46 PM
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101. You go, Rodeo!!
NGU.


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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:50 PM
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107. I called Feingold's WI office and chat with very nice man
Told him American is behind Feingold!!!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:43 PM
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94. Well well...
... a Democratic Senator telling it like it is. Kudos to Mr. Feingold, who seems to be the last of a vanishing breed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:48 PM
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105. that he is, that he is.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:04 PM
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112. I prefer to think of him as insider gone Grassroots
with a vengeance. Feingold has shown he doesn't want to be on the slow train headed straight for Hell. Major Props to the Senator with a Spine and a presidential censure petition!
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:44 PM
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97. so what's it's going to take for these people to stand
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:45 PM by cal04
up to this president or unite. When something of theirs is taken away, one of their own is killed in Iraq, their own parents can't get health care, they find out they've been wiretapped, or when their jobs are threatened?
Good for you Feingold
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:47 PM
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104. wow, i'm startin' to like this guy
sounds like howard dean sounded 3 years ago.

too bad feingold wasn't saying these things THEN, but glad to see he's caught up!
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:59 PM
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111. They are sleepwalking thru the most dangerous time in our history
and I'll never forgive them. Even the really good ones (Conyers) aren't doing enough. Every single one of them should have their goddamn hair on fire, and shouting until the whole damn country hears them. They should conjure up some sort of publicity stunts if they have to to get press and media coverage.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:05 PM
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114. "Ahead of leaders"--says Milw Journal




Original Story URL:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408006
Even Democrats leery of Feingold resolution
Proposal to censure Bush met with criticism, questions
By CRAIG GILBERT
cgilbert@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Mar. 13, 2006
Ahead of leaders

As he has done on such issues as the USA Patriot Act and withdrawal from Iraq, Feingold has stepped out ahead of his party leadership and staked out a position that resonates with many in the party's base. But that position puts other Democrats on the spot and could leave Feingold with few allies in the Senate.

Feingold dismissed criticism that his resolution was politically motivated, saying in an interview that "I'll let the political chips fall where they may."

.........
Among the more supportive Democrats, California Sen. Barbara Boxer said that she could vote for the resolution.

Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry said of the resolution: "I'm interested in it . . . The president ought to be held accountable, and I think he broke the law."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:06 PM
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115. "Boxer said that she could vote for the resolution"
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:00 PM
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118. He's mad as hell and he's not going to take it any more! Bout time. nt
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:03 PM
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119. Censure the bastard! He deserves it!
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 06:03 PM by Nutmegger
Stop thinking about political gains! Think about the country!

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whitestarz Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:35 PM
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120. I think he means 'kow towing'...
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Texacrat Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:43 PM
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121. Feingold needs to understand that cases of censure/impeachment are
semi-independent of approval ratings. Americans are more aquiescent to supporting censure but only after there is a proper investigation.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:27 PM
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123. Maybe the Prez has already wiretapped these folks...blackmail?
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:56 PM
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131. My thoughts exactly...
The Bush crime family must have the goods on them, or at least enough of the key players.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:30 PM
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125. That's my Senator for ya. Maverick to the end.
I'm so lucky.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:33 PM
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126. Speaking truth to power!
:applause:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:33 PM
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127. First Thing Feingold's Done That I'm 100% Against.
Sorry, I don't care how right his sentiment is. You don't go on the biggest right wing fascist media channel and smear the dems like repubs would. I love Russ, and will continue to, but bashing democrats so publicly in the other party's forum is self serving and counter productive. I agree wholeheartedly with his sentiment, but he has many avenues out of public sight to ream out his fellow dems and rip them new assholes. Hell, he works with them. Call a meeting, whatever, and yell at em if you have to. Make the message clear. That's fine. I just don't want to see one of the dem's I'm proudest of bashing the shit out of other dems on fox news. That's a no no to me.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:42 PM
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136. Excellent point and I totally agree.
Keep the criticism to the locker room and show solidarity to the public. Bashing his own makes Russ look like he's just posturing.

In the same vein Russ' colleagues should do the same and show a united front. They wouldn't be so frickin' susceptible to getting "defined" as this or that if they all stood in unity.

x(
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:37 PM
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144. the dems need some 'SHOCK-n-AWE'
or cattle prodded into action... depending upon how you look at it.

peace
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:44 PM
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145. Though I Don't Agree With His Public Statements To Fox,
I 100% fucking LOVE the idea of Russ grabbing a cattle prod and chasing the silent dems asses around a room, zappin em one after another! :rofl:

Seriously. He'd have my 100% support with that. I'm not gonna say someone doesn't need to do it. :)
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:48 PM
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146. He didn't "go on FOX"
He was speaking to a bunch of reporters and FOX was there.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:05 PM
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154. Encouragement didn't work, so he resorted to SHAME. Good for me.
If his fellow Dem Senators had ANY BALLS they would have jumped on the opportunity to support the censure motion. I view his maneuver as one of despiration at the inaction of coward Dems.

J
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:07 PM
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155. Maybe you're right, but . . .
. . . nothing else has seemed to shame them. And they should be ashamed for being the spineless milquetoasts that they are.

And that's coming from a fag who knows a milquetoast when he sees one.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:09 PM
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156. As An Additional Follow Up, I'm Kind Of Torn On How I Feel.
The more I read and re-read his statements, the more I feel like standing up and screaming "That's right Russ, YOU TELL EM!". He's right. That much I know. I just feel torn that this is an election year and we need congress so badly. The last thing I want is wars within our party or one of our best and brightest speaking things that makes the rest of the dems look bad in the many voters eyes who are hinging on whether the democratic party is in fact the one that now needs to lead the country. That's where my fear lies. At the end of the day, those voters are the ones we need. Every negative comment about dems being weak they hear is one more comment that solidifies the impression they've been touted by the right that we need them to overcome. Problem is, it may not be Feingold's fault those comments had to be said. Maybe it's the other dem's. I dunno. All I know is I want unity goddamit. We need to fight together and we need to figure it out soon. This is too damn important to fuck up. Russ, I'm still with ya man. I wish you wouldn't put down our fellow dems in the MSM, but I wish even more they didn't give you the reasons to in the first place.

As I said. I'm kinda torn with this.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:26 PM
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157. I think the problem is...
Most Dems, especially in the Senate, are extremely self-absorbed. Most attempts to come together on some issue are a difficult road indeed, let alone a overall strategy. Like Iraq, for instance. Dean wanted some unified front on the issue, but everyone was too busy putting out their own "plans" and making statements that contradicted each other.

I honestly don't think that Russ could just call a meeting and tell them to get their shit together, because he doesn't have that rank. And I'm sure he has spoken privately with many of them and knows where they are going to stand.

Maybe he is just frustrated, I don't know.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:02 PM
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166. there are already wars in the party....
they are foisting a lot of DINOs upon us to "win" but idealogically we lose...that is no kind of victory (if we can win doing it at all).



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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:45 PM
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129. Yep
He's been right on the Iraq war and right on with this!!!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:48 PM
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130. He ain't the only one - i say FUCK YOU to the spineless Dem's!
those rat bastards aren't worth a damn.

peace
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:58 PM
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132. If the Dems won't fight, now, then WHEN????
WHEN?

WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THESE SPINELESS BASTARDS TAKE A FUCKING STAND???
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:31 PM
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135. If we don't DEMAND that they fight now, then WHEN?????
Call your Senators and demand they answer The Question...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

NGU.


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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:44 PM
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137. we've been demanding for YEARS
don't ever stop :bounce:

:hi:

peace
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:48 PM
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139. The chess players seem to have forgotten how to make even the
simplest of moves. I have to say once again, I'm proud to be a checker player.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:54 PM
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141. Hi. Just saw that you have a journal! Wanted to say...
:hi:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:02 PM
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143. Hi Maddy! How are you?
:hug:

I am loving reading the journals. It is proving to me that so many excellent posts here have never even gotten a chance. Reading some of the archived posts in DU journals has been a great pastime this evening. Hope all is well with you.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:56 PM
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142. Wow-- speaking truth to power....seems likes there's a lot of folks
calling for this...

Hell, anything that gets Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes on the same page.... has got to be right!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:49 PM
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147. and you know that the chimp
is LOVING it. :grr:
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:01 PM
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150. I LOVE THE MAN. Go Feingold!!! Shame those Dem COWARDS!!!
Feingold has my vote in 2008. He's proven himself to be a NOBLE person willing to STAND UP for what is right...

Let the lemming Dem rebuttal begin!

J

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:34 AM
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160. It appears we DO have a third party in this country...
The NINNY Party

Arrrgggggggggggghhh! Those pink-tutu pantywaist ninnys won't fight ANYTHING - no matter WHAT it is! It's despicable. They're useless. Utterly useless.

I'm with Russ. We have Republicans. We have a few REAL Democrats (VERY few, Russ being one of them), and then there's THE NINNY PARTY. Cowards....
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:48 AM
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161. Here's a great line:
"The Democrats, of course, dodged the whole matter. You know it's kind of hard to see the 800lb, polka-dotted elephant in the room when you have the limited vision of a jackass."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15



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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:58 AM
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164. He is only saying what a lot of Democrats are thinking
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:37 PM
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169. I have ONE PROBLEM with Censure
If, after the heavy lifting required to actually pass a censure resolution was successful, might not this be widely viewed as having held Bush accountable? Would there be enough political capital and public opinion remaining to push for IMPEACHMENT?

My concern is that censure would functionally be a substitute for impeachment, rather than a step towards it. Accomplishing both may be more difficult than just impeachment.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:11 PM
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173. I think it would make it easier to impeach him for Iraq or Plame
after he has already been censured for violating the Constitution.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 03:24 PM
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181. He's right again!
Absolutly. :hide:
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