Is there ANY such thing as a reasonable Freeper?

[Mythsaje]

From another forum. Get this guy's position. He's responding to some statements I made. And, yeah, his spelling is pretty Freeperish.


>In example. A war based on lies and fear-mongering. <

Remember the exagerated claims of genicide in the Balkans?

>Inept cronies in position of great authority and responsibility. <

Half of Cklinton's Administration, oe are you claiming he named people he hated to posotions of power?


>Rampant out-sourcing of American jobs.<

Accelerated under Clinton.

> An artificially stimulated economy.<

The recoveray that started before Clinton took office, and was eventually killed by his policies.

>Unwarranted wiretapping of American citizens.<

Seberal US Citizens were wiretaped and their property searched BEFORE any warrant was issued. One of them was convited of espianoge.

> Unwarranted surveillance of peace groups exercising their Constitutional Rights.<

Remember what Clinton's FBI did to the Branch Davisians because the BATF wanted a big Show?

> Deliberate marginalization of a sizeable portion of the American population.<

You mean like what the Dems do to non-liberal Blacks?

*********

We're not talking about Clinton here. I know you really, really want to...it's far easier for you folks than looking at what's happening now. We're talking NOW, not ten years ago. Get over it for Christ's sake.

Have you really looked into the qualifications of half the Bush appointees? C'mon, he tried to nominate a complete reject to the Supreme Court. The man is more interested in rewarding his lackeys than putting someone in position actually able to do the job.

And how do you KNOW that he's only wiretapping people talking to Al Qaeda? That's what the goddam FISA court is for--to give some sort of oversight...oversight this administration didn't want for some inexplicable reason. They want to be able to do whatever they want whenever they want without ANY oversight. And FUCK the Constitution.

War has to be declared by Congress, and no President has the authority to declare some kind of perpetual war.

You think it's warranted? Think it's legal?

That wasn't the opinion of these folks. Before they were arm-twisted, at least.

Sen. Chuck Hagel: Bush “Can’t Unilaterally Decide That A 1978 Law Is Out of Date And…Violate The Law”

Sen. Lindsey Graham: “The FISA Act was–created a court set up by the chief justice of the United States to allow a rapid response to requests for surveillance activity in the war on terror. I don’t know of any legal basis to go around that.”

Sen. Arlen Specter said Sunday he believes that President Bush violated a 1978 law specifically calling for a secret court to consider and approve such monitoring. The Pennsylvania Republican branded Gonzales' explanations to date as "strained and unrealistic."

Sen. Arlen Specter: ”There is no doubt that this is inappropriate.”

Sen. John McCain: “WALLACE: But you do not believe that currently he has the legal authority to engage in these warrant-less wiretaps. MCCAIN: You know, I don’t think so…”

Sen. Sam Brownback: “I am troubled by what the basis for the grounds that the administration says that they did these on, the legal basis…”

Congressional Research Service: “The Bush administration’s limited briefings for Congress on the National Security Agency’s domestic eavesdropping without warrants are ‘inconsistent with the law.’”

I also opposed some of Clinton's policies, and said so publicly a number of times. That's the difference between someone like me and someone like you. You'll make excuses for these people until they manage to crush the Union, and then you'll continue to blame liberals for it.

Are you trying to tell us that America is in better economic shape than it was during the Clinton Years? If you are, you're delusional. How much debt do we have now? And what are these yahoos doing about it? Providing tax cuts to the richest among us. Oh, yeah, that'll help. They're robbing our treasury blind, handing buckets of money to corporate interests like Haliburton and Black Water, and tossing the rest out by way of tax breaks to those who need it least.

Un-freakin' believable.

[proud patriot]

1. No not that I have encountered

:-(

[muntrv]

2. Remember,

the lesser educated people voted overwhelmingly for Bush. That explains the shitty spelling.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. It's mind boggling... it really is

They don't even try to see another person's postition. and then the insults start flying. :eyes:

[Mythsaje]

4. That's what sent me storming out of the forum

a couple of years ago. These people PRETEND to be reasonable, but when the chips are down, there's nothing there but a great vapid emptiness.

[boobooday]

5. Actually, if you watch the Freepers

You will occasionally come across someone who makes a reasonable statement.

But read it quick, because they will soon get the infamous Freeper Zot.

Seriously, look on the creationism/evolution threads. You'll see that not all of them are completely off the deep end, and some of them work hard to talk some of the others back from the ledge.

:popcorn:

[Mythsaje]

6. Maybe about a few subjects, but not about this administration...n/t

[boobooday]

8. Cracks are appearing -- Bushbots vs. Conservatives

Round One?

heh heh

:applause:

[Mythsaje]

12. That's what I'm trying to get a handle on...

I've talked with these people before...I'd had hope that they'd see through some of this stuff. They shriek about Clinton, but give Bush a pass for doing even worse things.

[boobooday]

15. You have to watch them interacting with each other

If they think they are talking to a liberal, they will talk the party line.

Lurking is the best way to understand . . .

:smoke:

[Mythsaje]

19. Nah...I know these people.

I used to debate them back as far as 9/11. Real anti-government nuts. But I get the point--they're anti-DEMOCRATIC government. Republican tyranny's OKAY by them.

[PatrioticLeftie]

7. 'Tis an oxymoron, I'm afraid

It is not in their nature to consider reality.

Edited for typo

[Mythsaje]

13. Does that mean

that they're an ox AND a moron?

;)

[PatrioticLeftie]

17. You know...

I would not be surprised

[readmoreoften]

32. No, that's the Spanish.

Ox y Moron. (Los Dos.) :patriot:

[Mythsaje]

33. LOL...

I got the line from the Stallone movie "Oscar."

Cracks me up every time I think of it.

[Kerrytravelers]

9. Reasonable people don't vote for terrorists who spread bigotry.

So, in answer to your question... no. :evilgrin:

[MsMagnificent]

10. One needs to be have acquired Reason

...to be Reasonable.
So, no.

[MsMagnificent]

42. Whoa!

Let that be a lesson to all who are dog-tired, wish to edit their grammar on the fly, AND submit a post before one's face gently hits the keyboard! :D

Sometimes, I wake up and you can read Braille from my forehead!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. I heard there was one..but it turned out to be an urban legend.

[boobooday]

14. I have to share this LOL Freeper moment

Somebody just posted the latest "Katherine Harris in a T-shirt on a horse" picture. Someone else said the pic was unfortunate, because it just looked like a model with "gigantic fake tits." Here was the reply:

"Her "tits" are neither "gigantic" nor are they "fake". What's your problem? Are you unable to comment on the political elements of her campaign on this conservative political website or are you merely a fudge packer?"

Katherine Harris' breast enhancement could be the undoing of the Republican party . . .

:rofl:

[Mythsaje]

18. Definitely a "what the hell is wrong with you?" moment...lol n/t

[Kurovski]

27. Did Harris really get her rack extended?

How could I have missed this?

[KyuzoGator]

16. "President Bush is the most intelligent man I've ever met."

I don't care how delusional you are, this is simply unacceptable.

[Ksec]

20. Only when its obvious they cant lie out of the situation anymore

Then and only then do they pretend to be reasonable. Like with bush and his total failure of an administration. They see the writing on the wall and theyre panicky.
If they stick with the SS Bush they all go down .
They are jumping ship to try and save the remainder of the rats on board.

[DemInDistress]

21. A reasonable freeper/gopers is one who trashes and bashes

the King of all Imbeciles George W. Bush anything less is not acceptable to me. Why do they have this blind loyalty to that idiot? Why? Someone tell me please....

[MrSlayer]

22. Because he's the leader of their team and that's it.

They don't really care about the country, they only care that their side is winning. It's like a football game or whatever to these people. They way they cheer and declare victory every time this group gets away with a crime proves it. I ran into one today pumping his chest over the fact that Google is going to be forced to give over it's records as if it was some great thing for America and got the typical "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" answer.

[tabasco]

23. You're so right. They are loyal to their party, not their nation.

There is someting in human nature that makes us want to follow the leader. The freepers are followers and must have a fuhrer, telling them what to do and what to think. Life is easy when you don't have to think, just hate.

[Kurovski]

28. I think a lot of them got beat regular by their daddys.

Abuse and control was the form love and loyalty took.

They's twisted. poor thangs...

That'll be five cents, please.:-)

[Justice Is Comin]

24. Well whoever wrote the

posts in your OP at least has a three digit IQ. Maybe they could use a little Donkey ride.

[whitestarz]

25. You approach them reasonably?

Most of the stuff I've seen is pretty unkind. I keep looking to find those fellow Dems who are better than that.

[Mythsaje]

26. I start out VERY reasonable, for the most part...

Call me frustrated at this point. I used to debate these people back BEFORE 9/11, when pretty much all they could do was rail against the Clintons and all the abuses of power they saw back then. Yet, now, when we're witnessing truly horrible abuses of power, they're all flowers and excuses. It boggles my mind.

The simple fact is that, had this been done under a Democratic administration, they would be going batshit. With good reason. But, because it's NOT a Democratic administration, they're willing to give it a pass? The hypocrisy blows my mind.

I'm wound up now in particular because they're talking about using "bunker buster" nukes in Iran. Yet ANOTHER country that's full of people who have done us no harm.

My patience nears its end. And I've got boatloads of patience. I generally write uplifting, welcoming pieces, that try to explain our points of view from a very gentle, positive angle. I'm critical of this administration, but I've tried to tread lightly on the subject of their enablers. Well, except for the allegedly "liberal" media, which is anything but.

If you like, I recommend you check out my blog (accessible through my website--the link's at the bottom of my signature line) to see where I'm usually coming from.

I'm just to the point I'm not sure anything other than a swift hammer blow to the head can let some light into the dark spaces that exist in their heads.

Oh, and welcome to DU, btw.

[whitestarz]

29. I've read a lot of your posts...

...and I think YOU ARE very reasonable. You talk sense and don't pounce on every issue--I wish everyone here was as credible.

[Mythsaje]

30. Why thank you...

That's high praise. And much appreciated.

[whitestarz]

31. Well...

...you take a brave position.

[Mythsaje]

34. I actually like to believe the best of people...

which is probably a bit silly sometimes. My wife thinks I'm naive. I think I'd rather be a little naive than cynical.

I think some people need to stop and look around and actually CONSIDER what they're seeing. Not only what's obvious, but the patterns these things reveal. Very few things are as simple as they seem at first, so it's important for us to be willing to dig at them a little, to try and see them from different angles.

[whitestarz]

36. But that's just savvy...

A hardline can always be taken later (and it's hard to back up from without losing creds), so it's just smart to try a cleverer approach first.

[Mythsaje]

38. I'm the diplomat in the house...

I usually try to argue with the other person's p.o.v. in mind...what better way to find a way to make them understand what you're saying?

[JohnnyCougar]

35. I love debating freepers.

One accused me of "hoping" for more US casualties in Iraq, just so Bush would look bad.

I told him that was ridiculous, and asked him why he was hoping for another 9/11 so that invasion of Iran and a military draft would take place.

That shut him up pretty quickly.

[Mythsaje]

39. I'd say he looks bad enough

with as many casualties as we already have. They sure as hell aren't going to be coming back to life anytime soon.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

37. If they're a foaming at the mouth freeper, no.

If they're a confused freeper, then we can and should reach out to them.

[Mythsaje]

40. I think "Freeper" generally indicates foaming going on...

To differentiate them from "conservatives" or "average Republicans."

[Celeborn Skywalker]

41. True

I guess I was thinking of freeper as just the general Republican. I agree that the people on Free Republic can definitely not be reached.

[Radio_Guy]

43. A freeper who becomes reasonable

usually becomes a Democrat or an Independent.Reasonable freepers don't stay freepers long.