OMG! LOOK at this F***KING AP Headline! *Warning Graphic Photo*

[leftchick]

"Iraqis SAY 11 People Killed in U.S. Raid "!!!

wtf?? Iraqis Say??? Is the AP implying the US may not have slaughtered this family and the Iraqis MURDERED them?? :grr:
US Forces ADMIT THEY DID IT!!!!

ISAHAQI, Iraq - U.S. forces flattened a house during a raid north of Baghdad early Wednesday, killing 11 people — mostly women and children, while insurgent attacks elsewhere left five dead, police and relatives said.

The U.S. military acknowledged the raid and said it caught one insurgent. It took place near Balad, about 50 miles north of the capital. But the military said only four people were killed — a man, two women and a child.

... but they JUST killed four! :cry:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060315/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_violence



Relatives mourn near the bodies of children, reportedly killed in a U.S. raid, as they arrive in a hospital in Tikrit, 130 kilometers (80 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Wednesday, March 15,2006. Eleven people, most of them women and children were killed when a house was bombed during a U.S. raid north of Baghdad early Wednesday, police and relatives said. The U.S. military acknowledged four deaths in the raid that they said netted an insurgent suspect in the rural Isahaqi area, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) north of the capital. (AP Photo/Bassim Daham)

I fucking hate this war... :argh:

[fooj]

1. OMG!

:cry:

[fearnobush]

78. Brought to you by Pro-Lifers.

This is what Pro-Lifers really believe in:

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Why? Becasue they voted for it.

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And they still support him.

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And say they are Christian...

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while he does this to children. Fucking monsters.

[leftchick]

82. oh god

:cry:

[Blaze Diem]

92. Can this be sent to the DEMS in DC?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x668151

------------------------------------------------------------
Breaks your heart...
They're babies...Is this the abortion GOP approves of?!!

Sorrow that cannot be describe.
Soon the MSM will be praising the SUCCESSES of Operation Swarmer.

Abortion is wrong but "swarming" these babies is OK by Bush standards??

I am so damned disgusted.. enraged..griefstricken..Our (once) Beautiful America did this to them.
IMPEACH & IMPRISON GEORGE BUSH et.al.

This needs to be sent enmass to every newspaper, local & national, every politician, local and national, and posted on billboards across this nation.

America needs to SEE what it has done.

These photos are haunting...

[Chimichurri]

2. Cruel. We are animals.

Worse then animals, animals don't kill each other for no reason.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

36. There are reasons for the killing

Power, greed, corruption and total arrogance.

I don't agree with the actions, but there is a strange logic behind it, however misguided.

[Nutmegger]

3. It's just so heartbreaking

I can't imagine all the men, women and children that are being murdered. Damn them all.

[wordpix2]

4. very sad, thanks * for spreading Amerikan goodwill in ME you ass

[i miss america]

5. Hell won't be hot enough for the b@stards behind this

needless massacre and f*cking war. :mad:

[seemslikeadream]

6. The Resident said Mission Accomplished

[LynnTheDem]

7. Objective reporting when it's anyone but the bushCabal.

bush & Cabal, they being gawd blessed americans, would NEVER EVER tell a lie, so no objective reporting required.

Only when it's something them little brown almost-but-not-quite-humans say is objective reporting required.

[aden_nak]

8. Winning hearts and minds as usual.

[rucky]

9. The only other source would be the Pentagon

and they only confirmed 4.

[FatDave]

93. 4 dead, 1 captured, according to pentagon

The U.S. military acknowledged four deaths in the raid that they said netted an insurgent suspect

They failed to mention whether the 4 dead were insurgents or civilians. But they did mention the one they "netted" was an insurgent suspect. To me that implies that the people killed were civilians.

So, by the Pentagon's own count, we killed 4 innocents to get one suspect. Fucking mind-boggling.

[acmavm]

10. Every man and woman in this country should be FORCED to

look at this picture and see what we are doing to these people. It needs to be on billboards all over every major city in America.

They will hate us for generations. I would if I were them.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. jr lit the fuse in the ME.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

12. Those poor little children. DAMN this war!!!

:cry:

[pocket]

13. of course US thugs killed them

that's what they do

[xxqqqzme]

14. '...Riyadh Majid, who said he was the nephew

of the killed head of the family — Faez Khalaf — told AP that U.S. forces landed in helicopters and raided the home. Khalaf's brother, Ahmed, said nine dead were residents of the house and two were visitors.

"The killed family was not part of the resistance, they were women and children," Ahmed Khalaf said. "The Americans have promised us a better life, but we get only death."...........'


And congressional democrats can't find their spines & hide from Feingold.

[leftchick]

18. I think we should send them all photos of DEAD Iraqi families

do you think they might get it then?

[Rainscents]

15. I HATE THIS WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:cry:

[slackmaster]

16. Yeah, me too. I really miss Vietnam.

:eyes:

[Radio_Lady]

17. "For the record, I'm against the NEXT war, too!" -- bumper sticker

seen recently in Portland, Oregon.

[Rainscents]

22. I need to get one of those!!!

[leftchick]

23. that is great

I will google to find it.

[Oeditpus Rex]

19. It's called 'sourcing'

Newspapers never say — or definitely shouldn't — that someone did something; they cite others as saying it happened.

The vast majority of times, no reporter saw what happened in the story he or she is writing. They hear of what happened and get the information from "official" sources. Even if a reporter does see something, it's incumbent upon them to ask a source for an official version of what happened. Otherwise, it's the reporter's interpretation, and that's not what news is supposed to be.

Read any crime story in any newspaper. You'll repeatedly see "police said" or something very close to it. Yet the accused, or more often their families, still call the reporter or an editor and yell, "You guys said I did this!" No, the police said you did it. The newspaper reported what the police said.

[IndyOp]

48. The problem with 'sourcing' is when journalists refuse to use

their 'reportorial authority' in the piece.

As in scientists say that evolution..., while religious leaders say that intelligent design...
Some scientists say global warming is real..., while others say that it is fantasy.

In a day and age in which journalists insist on presenting stories as if 'all sides are equal' - sourcing is part of the problem.

:kick:

[Oeditpus Rex]

49. 'Reportorial authority'?

I've worked in newsrooms as a reporter and editor the better part of the last 25 years, and that's the first time I've ever heard that term.

Reporters have no such "authority." If they tried to, an editor would take it out so fast he/she would need a new keyboard.

Reporters report; they don't decide. That's your job.

[IndyOp]

54. Journalism, as it has been practiced for the last 25-50-75 years, is

a significant *part* of what has lead our nation to this abysmal moment in time.

If the vast majority of Americans agree that we don't trust what the media says, then it is time to examine and challenge the basic assumptions of the field:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=668151&mesg_id=669640

[reyd reid reed]

52. Huh?

How can 'sourcing' be a problem? Without sources giving information to reporters, they have nothing to report. We wouldn't have any information at all, much less objective or accurate information.

There's no such thing as 'reportorial authority'. A reporter gets the information, and he relays the information and says where he got the information. That's all. He's a messenger.

Are reporters human? Of course. But a GOOD reporter isn't going to put his own personal views out there and, if he does, he's gonna be squashed by his editors so fast he won't know what hit him.

That's what columnists are for.

[IndyOp]

53. I disagree. The 'classic' model of journalism is that

journalists are experts in a field and that they work on behalf of the citizens (the 4th estate). Journalism is now a useless f*'ing field because they believe that all they are supposed to do is report. The American model of 'objective' leads to brainless, spineless, desperation for access to the power-brokers.

In the UK, you state your personal position and then report as objectively as possible. If someone in power is lying to you, you confront them, report exactly what they said and explain to your readers why it is a lie. Another reporter with a different position does the same. The reader decides.

If 'journalism' in America is f*'ed up -- then we should examine and challenge the assumptions.

[Oeditpus Rex]

56. The UK 'model' is 'observation journalism'

Compared to American media (and in this I include Canada), quotes from sources are rare in British newspapers; it's much more "this is what I saw and this is what I interpret from it." This leaves readers with only the reporter's version, which isn't enough.

You may not be a fan of "he said/she said" journalism because — if I understand your point — it gives only a semblance of balance. But that depends on how many sources are quoted and, more importantly, whom they are. I agree that U.S. media has come to rely far too much on "unnamed sources" and I've campaigned against it, both actively as an editor ("Get something on the record") and on journalism forums.

But the point remains that often that's all reporters can get these days, with the Wregime's attitude toward the media. For all the times readers complain that "They're not telling the whole story," it's not because the reporter is complacent or being held back by lap-dog editors, publishers or owners (though the latter two certainly do exist) but because the Wregime simply cuts off information or intentionally supplies wrong information.

It isn't so much journalism that's fucked up as how it's perceived by all sides: as an enemy. It's a hell of lot harder for reporters to do their jobs when no one trusts them and some try to stifle them. It's a vicious cycle.

[rman]

83. _selective_ sourcing it is

If the military admits to it, then why is it not also mentioned as a source?

[smartvoter]

20. There will be no outrage here. That's the outrageous part. nt

[holboz]

21. Why don't they say "Women and Children Killed in US Raid"?

Because they stated in the news article most of the 11 people killed were women and children. Five children, two women (at least)...there's seven right there. But the military is only admitting to four.

I know there have been lots of horrible photos depicting injured and killed children but something about this story is like the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Maybe because it's so obvious that the military is lying (not that I didn't know that before).But I read the Reuters story that the kids were shot in the head. DAMNABLE DISGRACE.

I've never agreed with this war but I've not directed my anger at the troops who are only there because they were sent there. But I have a hard time "supporting the troops" when they decide a child under the age of six needs a bullet in their head.

on edit: just had to add "damnable disgrace" interjection

[Oeditpus Rex]

43. For the same reason they don't say

"Blacks, Jews killed in riots."

The headline you suggest would be inflammatory to some people, in the same way that many Faux News headlines are inflammatory to us.

[ClayZ]

24. They changed the picture!

Earlier the picture in the OP was there ... Now it is much less graphic.

[Webster Green]

26. Got a call from Karl, no doubt.

Mutherfuckers!:grr:

[jbnow]

30. And doesn't show all the children

and makes the american story look likelier.

Oh so they got one insurgent. Why don't they wipe out whole families here in US neighborhoods when they want to get a dangerous criminal? How is it OK there and not here?

[0rganism]

39. Not like it hasn't happened here, too

E.g., Philadelphia, 1985: Police burn 60 houses with C4 explosive to uproot a local MOVE chapter, killing 5 children.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/MOVE-Phihladelphia-BombNYT14may85.htm
Number of police officers indicted for killing children: 0

[jbnow]

44. Wow, didn't know anything about that.

Better not give them any suggestions like that then, they might think it over and decide it's not a bad idea.

They at least tried to negotiate here but the dead children were just as dead.

They don't do it as casually here, don't do "precision bombing" based on suspiscion...but it is all very sad.

[lumpy]

68. Thanks for the post

I remember that incident. There was plenty of outrage by the public but of course nothing was done about it.

[leftchick]

75. that is called

practice. :cry:

[leftchick]

37. they have been fucking with the photos all day

for a while I could not get any.

[Webster Green]

25. Mutherfuckers!

I'm walking around muttering "mutherfuckers!" quite a bit now.

Special place in Hell for the chimp and his crew.:grr:

[fooj]

29. Hell is too good of a place.Peace.

Peace.

[sasha031]

27. I'm glad it's on yahoo

so that people can really see the high crimes created because of this war.

poor beautiful children:cry:

[Little Star]

28. That picture should be the background in

every Dem ad done in 2006. These war lovers need a good dose of reality! I hate them for this war!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

31. I Measure Every Grief

I measure every grief I meet
With analytic eyes;
I wonder if it weighs like mine,
Or has an easier size.

I wonder if they bore it long,
Or did it just begin?
I could not tell the date of mine,
It feels so old a pain.

I wonder if it hurts to live,
And if they have to try,
And whether, could they choose between,
They would not rather die.

I wonder if when years have piled--
Some thousands--on the cause
Of early hurt, if such a lapse
Could give them any pause;

Or would they go on aching still
Through centuries above,
Enlightened to a larger pain
By contrast with the love.

The grieved are many, I am told;
The reason deeper lies,--
Death is but one and comes but once
And only nails the eyes.

There's grief of want, and grief of cold,
A sort they call 'despair,'
There's banishment from native eyes,
In sight of native air.

And though I may not guess the kind
Correctly yet to me
A piercing comfort it affords
In passing Calvary,

To note the fashions of the cross
Of those that stand alone
Still fascinated to presume
That some are like my own.

~ Emily Dickinson ~

[CamanoCal]

32. Right to life?

Only until birth... after that, you're fair game.

Besides, these weren't "really" children. they were uh...
Collateral damage, casualties of war, offspring of terrorists...

[mzmolly]

34. Indeed.

Welcome.

[leftchick]

45. exactly

only the pre-born matter.

welcome to DU.

[CoffeeCat]

33. The pictures shows THREE MURDERED CHILDREN...

...and in the story--the US Military claims that only "one child" was "killed."

LIARS!!!! FUCKING LIARS!!!!

And now they've changed the photo---so they lies aren't as obvious!!

When will this end???????

I'm so sick!!!!

I have children of my own and I can't even IMAGINE the pain that these people are feeling!

[file83]

61. Pentagon: "One child was dead in that photo. The other two? Sleeping."

That's what I'm guessing the Pentagon will say. Spin Spin Spinfinity...

[leftstreet]

35. 1-888-818-6641 Support MURTHA'S RESOLUTION

1-888-818-6641 Capitol Switchboard

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr_051117_iraqres.html

For Immediate Release
November 17, 2005  

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution:
 
(H. J. Res._________ )-

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution, which was referred to the Committee on ____________________________

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U.S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U.S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom; 

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency;

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want the U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in
2)  Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1.  The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8)  shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10)  through diplomacy.

[AndyA]

38. That pic hurts me

Those little kids never had a chance to live their life. The same life that the Republicans here want to preserve by outlawing abortion. WHY? WHY? So they can wind up dead in a pile before their 4th birthday?

The people doing this are not human. And they are just as bad as the person who had to be removed from power.

Very disturbing...

We should be ashamed of ourselves as a nation that we've allowed people to come into power that would do such a thing. Who determines one life is more important, or deserves protection more than another life? Look at those little kids. America took their life from them. We are responsible for this. They will never know joy or laughter. This just makes me sick. Every one of them look like they were very cute kids, and now they lie in a pile. Dead. Because of American greed.

This is the picture that needs to be superimposed behind EVERY photo of George Bush from this day forward. With the caption: MURDERED BY AMERICA AND GEORGE BUSH.

And we don't need to censure Bush? Or impeach him? Why? Explain to me WHY after you take a look at this picture!

[file83]

62. I hope the U.S. soldiers that launched those weapons sleep good tonight.

I wonder if they'll dream about their own children back here in the USA.

I wonder if they even know that they pushed the button that killed those children. :shrug: Ignorance is no excuse.

[magellan]

40. Don't worry. I'm sure the friends and surviving relatives were happy

...to sacrifice these children so the US could capture an alleged insurgent.

:sarcasm:

Now seriously, imagine if the American militia had done this during the Revolutionary War to wipe out loyalist factions. Maybe they even did. Does anyone in their right mind think the reaction would be, "Thank you, my child is dead but at least you caught that damned loyalist to the crown!"

[Deb]

41. Iraqis say? Like it's some f*%ked up rumor???

How many people do we have to kill for bush? The son makes his father's murderous "Highway of Death" pale in comparison.

I hope bush truly believes in his own Judgment Day and lives his own private hell because of it. It sickens me that his living a private hell may be the only justice those dead innocents get.

[libodem]

42. Yes, but Rush Limbaugh

can make some funny t-shirts with the pictures.
Murdered Iraq kids is almost as funny as torturing men in Gitmo. Rush adores this type of stuff. He likes dead Iraqi babies it means more oil for oil company profits. Happy Rush? Happy GWB? I heard him mention, what screwballs we are on DU, this morning. Back atcha pigboy.

[Up2Late]

46. At least it's not: 11 more Iraqis "Liberated!"

Grrrrrrrrrrrr :grr: I've said it before, and I'll say it again, The AP Suck! (though this may have been done by the editors, they do this all the time).:mad:

[orleans]

47. ........................... maddening & absolutely heartbreaking n/t

[malaise]

50. Why aren't these pictures on MSM

Fuch Bush - I hate these goons - I hate them...I hate them - fucking murderers.

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. I've looked at a lot of terrible pictures in the last 5 years

but for some reason that one really got me. :cry:

When is it going to stop? Please, somebody make them stop?

[leftchick]

59. me too

they are babies and the US are baby killers. :cry:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

55. K&R.... Dear God, what has America become? n/t

[Rex]

57. I fucking hate all war.

Tit for tat over the recently living. 4 people, 11 people, 100 people, 10,000 people. Just numbers to the Military Industrial Complex. No more important than a pie-chart.

[Bluebear]

58. But...but...they caught one "insurgent"! nt

[file83]

63. ...and just recruited 50 more new ones...

:puke:

[cureautismnow]

66. Spot On.

The survivors will undoubtedly hate America and Americans for the rest of their lives. And who could blame them? All because of one worthless excretion squatting in the WH. Damn the POS evildoer, his followers, and everyone of his enablers. The blood of innocent children is all over their hands. :cry:

[laundry_queen]

60. Unfuckingbelievable.

Will this ever end?????
Those poor sweet children. :cry:

[qanda]

64. My heart just breaks for the people of Iraq

I wonder how much more of this they can take.

[tabasco]

65. But the ports deal gone bad is really going to hurt our image!

Maybe Bush and the criminal cabal should consider the children we are killing more than corporate profits.

[lumpy]

70. Murder, plain and simple.

Support the killers? No way.

[tabasco]

80. ???

I don't understand your post.

[Tsiyu]

67. But Repukes are more moral than you and I: They are Pro-Life...

I have saved this photo and it will be used to create some anti-war stuff.

I fucking hate this war, too, and what is being done in my name. If Federal funds cannot be used to pay for abortion, they should not be used by my government to kill innocent children.

And people wonder why we HATE GEORGE BUSH? I dare any of the right-wing blowhards to look at that picture and tell me how anyone could love him after what he has done to humanity.

[Disturbed]

69. Colateral Damage or Murder?

You decide,

[donkeyotay]

71. Even with the little information we are given here

"Eleven people, most of them women and children were killed"

at least six women and children died so that we could "net an insurgent suspect..."

This must be some fuzzy republican math if they think this is winning us anything besides undying hatred.

[leftchick]

72. I have no doubt

they did not get any fucking "insurgent".

[smomfr]

73. Dumbya almost lost some sleep.......

when he saw this photo. Laura came to the rescue, she assured him they were just sleeping and dreaming of the FABULOUS democracy in their future.

[number6]

74. George W(ar criminal) Bu$h

:-(:mad::argh::grr:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

76. From Gandhi

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi

[leftchick]

77. exactly

and that always makes me cry. :cry:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

79. There are always "good" reasons to kill.

Even here, among "progressives", reasons are found backed up by the usual rationales of "doing good" or "defense" or any of the other reasons that justify murder.

[PVK]

81. I wrote to the AP and objected.

They really did fuck up this headline.

[AlCzervik]

84. that picture was on the front page of my paper this morning

www.sacbee.com above and below the fold. the headline "iraqis die in us attack"

[leftchick]

85. that is pretty incedible

I say about a 3 second mention of it on one news channel last night. :(

[Ilsa]

86. Yeah, that's real funny, Rumsferatu:

:sarcasm:

I am ashamed to be a part of an entity that does this in our names.

[PleadTheFirst]

87. Speechless.

Bush, Cheney, the GOP and the spineless Dems who signed off on this war ... damn them all.

[Dark]

88. I hate to tell you, but the reason 'say' is in there is because

journalists HAVE to attribute opinions. And, however gruesome it may be, it is still an opinion.

I fucking hate this war too. . .

[gauguin57]

89. Perfect reason for everyone to take to the streets this weekend

against the war -- 3rd anniversary.

[lostnfound]

90. Why do you have to be so negative?

Why are you worrying your beautiful mind with that?


Horrible photos like these don't get into the consciousness of those who vote for these creeps.

[PATRICK]

91. the new aerial strategy

is what we discussed here. Sadly predictable, inevitable and all Negroponte all the time. In the big scheme of things it appears like pure meaningless spite, and has been done by countless frustrated armies in the past. That is how the Iraqis will judge and remember us.