The Biggest * Lover I Know, My Co-worker, and My E-mail Exchange This AM

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

This guy is a total bushbot. His office is right behind and to the right of my cube. My wall o'politics is there specifically for him to see all day. In any case, below is an email exchange I had first thing with him this morning at work. Figured I'd share it with you all. :)

Glen *********
03/15/2006 07:58 AM
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Subject Fw: Sales Tax






He is starting already. TAXPAYERS REVOLT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think this is bad, wait until you see what happens if the Dumocrats do well in 2006.

Corzine looks at 7% sales tax
Wednesday, March 15, 2006

By JOHN P. McALPIN
TRENTON BUREAU

Governor Corzine may push the state sales tax from 6 to 7 percent as part of a massive package of tax increases to balance the state budget, according to legislators briefed on the plan.

(blah blah blah I deleted the rest of his article for readability)



Glen *********
Automated Manufacturing Systems
Global Competency Center


MY REPLY

***************
03/15/2006 08:27 AM
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Subject Re: Fw: Sales Tax






Though I don't agree with raising the sales tax, overall as a whole the country will be far better of when the Democrats take back Congress in November as opposed to the rubber stamping, lack of oversight, fascist condoning, constitution destroying, Election stealing, Terry Schiavo diagnosing, Civil rights abandoning, bribe accepting, CIA covert agent leaking, response to Katrina lacking, Record deficit creating, women's choice sabotaging, illegal war justifying, fear mongering, Oil company massaging, global warming ignoring, media controlling, cronyism promoting, dissent forbidding, lying, cheating, stealing criminal republican administration and congress we currently are dealing with.

But thanks for thinking of me!


HIS RETURN REPLY


Glen *********
03/15/2006 08:35 AM
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Subject Re: Fw: Sales Tax





Hey why don't we give socialism and communism a try. It seemed to work out well for Russia.



Glen *********
Automated Manufacturing Systems
Global Competency Center


My Last Reply

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03/15/2006 08:37 AM
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Subject Re: Fw: Sales Tax





I'd rather we give democracy a try first. Lord knows it's been a good 5 years since we've had one.



Ok, just wanted to share that with you all. There were quite a few people copied on it so I felt obliged to set some things straight! :)

[DS1]

1. Global Competency Center

:puke:

[Kerrytravelers]

2. I work in a blue profession. Any bushbots have learned to keep their

trap shut as they are fiercely outnumbered.

I have such empathy for those who can't escape the stupidity from being around them on a constant basis.

[LostinVA]

120. Me too -- about 1-2% Bushbots

[blue cat]

3. I wish that I knew you in real life

You sound like so much fun, with your wall o'politics! Spot on!

[WiseButAngrySara]

4. Oh your response was good! Why do idiots label Dems as communist

or socialist?

[midnight]

17. Have you ever been referred to as a

tree hugging hippie?

[high density]

73. I dunno, because it seems half of Dems aren't even liberal

let alone socialist.

[tabasco]

121. Because they are told what to believe.

They are sheep and all they can do is drool and repeat the tslking points they get from the Limbaughs of the world. Sad days for America. We have millions of gullible people and it very likely will be our downfall.

[I Have A Dream]

5. Best rant that I've heard in a while!

"...rubber stamping, lack of oversight, fascist condoning, constitution destroying, Election stealing, Terry Schiavo diagnosing, Civil rights abandoning, bribe accepting, CIA covert agent leaking, response to Katrina lacking, Record deficit creating, women's choice sabotaging, illegal war justifying, fear mongering, Oil company massaging, global warming ignoring, media controlling, cronyism promoting, dissent forbidding, lying, cheating, stealing criminal republican administration..."

:rofl:

:thumbsup:

:)

[blue cat]

9. I agree

That was poetry. I'm bookmarking so I can say to my coworkers tomorrow.

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. That was great! And the reply was typically republican.

:rofl: Ignore the facts and fall back on the old "Liberals are socialists and communists" argument. :rofl:

[aquart]

6. See, I would have pointed out

That Bush's ridiculous tax cuts for the rich forced the federal government to starve the states which is now forcing debt-ridden states with massive unfunded federal mandates to raise taxes and fees any way they can. That was always going to be the natural outcome of Bush's tax cuts for the rich.

Ask him where his tax cut went. Did he spend it on gasolene? Fuel oil? Higher food prices? Higher licensing and insurance fees? Ask him how much more he's had to invest or put in the bank since Bush's tax cuts for the rich kicked in.

If he brings up money, stick to money. Is he really comfortable with China owning our massive federal debt?

You could ask which state service he would feel comfortable doing without, too.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. Oh FUCK ME! Forgot To Put Outsourcing And Bin Laden Forgetting In My Rant!

Fuck, also "lack of troop armor buying". Dammit, I knew I was gonna miss a couple. Bet there are 50 more I forgot too. Tried to put as much in as possible, but shit, I hadn't even finished my first cup of coffee yet!

[hfojvt]

12. Republicans in the states kicked in too

Many of them passed tax cuts to give their surpluses of the late 1990s "back" to the taxpayers (code word for "mostly rich people").

[alstephenson]

74. Absolutely right on, aquart! eom

[politicaholic]

7. Some people just can't let go...

communism...very quick and original...he's just a juggernaught of imagination and free thinking isn't he?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. You Should've Seen Him In November 04. His Ignorance Was Relentless.

His parrot-headed rhetoric was at an all time high. That's when I found DU, though I didn't join then (lurked for like a year before I finally signed up). DU helped me thwart his attacks in ways you can't even imagine. All of the election forum stuff, day after day. The TIA posts, the Steve Freeman poll report, the plethora of information that came from here was indispensable. In fact, that was the start of my "Wall O'Politics". I would find the best graphics/editorials on DU and print them out and pin them up. It became such a conversation piece in my cube that to this day it hasn't stopped, and now actually has a following!

[joeunderdog]

10. You forgot...

friend shooting and pretzel choking.

Send him some more tomorrow.

[jody]

13. Why were you both doing that on company time with company equipment ?

Is it any wonder jobs are outsourced overseas where employees are glad to have a job and work full time for their salaries?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! That Was Really Funny, Thanks For The Chuckle!

:rofl:

I mean, you were just joking right? LOL

If not, don't ever preach to me about my job or the quality of the work I perform. Ever. Thanks. :hi:

[jody]

16. I was not joking. If you worked for me, I would reprimand both of you as

a minimum.

As to preaching, I'll state my opinion because that's permissible and appropriate.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. ROFL!!!! You Are Sooooooo Too Much!

I mean, seriously, May God be with those who do work for you. I feel for them tremendously.

Furthermore, I don't know who exactly you think you are, but having the sheer nerve to judge what I do at work or how I do it without any context whatsoever other than a quick email, is one of the most narrow-minded, self-righteous and misguided things I've ever seen.

You know nothing about me. You know nothing about my job. To assume you do is Pathetic. I'd gather I'm 10 times more valuable of an asset to my company than you are to yours, but all I have to base that on is your horrible management skills so who knows. See, last thing my boss would do in a million years is reprimand me for something so petty. He's even a repuke (though not nearly as bad as the other), but even he wouldn't come close to ever being so ungodly impossible, evil and sweatshoppish as what you recommend above.

Even regardless, the sheer gall to judge me or anyone else like that for something so petty within itself is so extreme it pains my brain to think there are actually people out there who are so friggin rigid. LOL

[jody]

20. I do know that you apparently brag about using company time to discuss

non company business. The probability is quite high that your job can be outsourced so don't complain if that happens.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Oh Silly Rabbit, With The Silly Judgements. So Wrong Again.

Ahhhhhhh well.

Again, you know nothing of what you speak. You have no details, no context and no awareness whatsoever to what I do, how I do it, who I do it for, and how absolutely fucking valuable I am there. That means your position is coming from an angle of 100% ignorance, since you have absolutely nothing to base your judgements on other than your self-righteous impulse.

[jody]

22. So tell the world what you do that makes you invaluable to your company?nt

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Geeze.

I'm glad you're not my boss.

[jody]

25. From your reply I'm glad you are not my employee.

:hi:

[Catherine Vincent]

27. LOL! Right you are.

The emails is not what my problem is. It's the DU! :hi:

[jody]

30. How is DU a problem? n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

33. By me being addicted to it.

I spend a lot of time on DU while at work. But I still get my work done.

[jody]

35. If someone spends time on non-job activities during work hours then

management should consider giving that person more tasks.

[Ignis]

39. Let me get this straight:

Assuming that Person A is in a salaried (rather than hourly) position, you expect that person to work without a single break on their assigned company tasks from 9AM to 5PM every day of the week? Shall we restrict stretching, water breaks, coffee breaks, cigarette breaks, bathroom breaks, speaking with other employees regarding non-company business (for even one minute per day), etc.?

"Are there no workhouses?"

[jody]

42. Now you know I didn't say that.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[Ignis]

46. Er, but you did.

If someone spends time on non-job activities during work hours then management should consider giving that person more tasks.

That's precisely what you said. If you now wish to modify your argument, you can certainly do so. For example, you may wish to qualify the amount of time per day/week/month that each employee is allowed to spend on non-work activities.

It's disingenuous to make blanket statements, and then to cry foul when called upon to clarify whether you actually mean to say "in some cases," "in all cases," "only during year-end closing periods," or "only in certain jobs."

[jody]

49. You wrote "you expect that person to work without a single break on their

assigned company tasks from 9AM to 5PM every day of the week?"

You know I didn't say that or even infer that.

[Ignis]

51. Sadly, I lack telepathy.

All I have to work from is the words that you type. If the words you type are unclear, or the argument behind them is unclear, then I just might ask you to either clarify your statement or justify your position. This is not uncommon in any discussion.

You're still speaking in generalities. Let's get down to brass tax, shall we?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for lunch breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for bathroom breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for water breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for coffee breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for cigarette breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for stretching breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for news breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for personal phone breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for personal email breaks?
- How many minutes per day should employees be allowed for personal talking breaks?

As you say, if company policy is not cemented on these issues, it is open to interpretation and/or realignment with every minor change in management. So let's see precisely how far back into the Dickensian milieu you wish to revert in order to keep company profits maximized.

(By the way, the speaker implies, the listener infers.)

[jody]

53. Telepathy is not required, minimal reading skills are adequate. n/t

[mwooldri]

55. Ok, what company do you work for? I want to buy some stock.

And if it's your company, are you looking for new investment?

That way I could become your boss :)

Mark.

[jody]

58. Sorry, no stock for sale but the ROI is excellent and employees are

very productive, happy, and well paid.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[Ignis]

56. Ah, so the implied insult there is:

I lack minimal reading skills. How very mature of you to insult me in a roundabout way. In the future, I would prefer it if you'd be more direct in your insults. Thank you.

You do understand that reading and comprehension are not the same, yes?

[jody]

59. No insult implied just as none was implied in you suggesting telepathy

was required to read what I wrote.

[Ignis]

62. No, telepathy would be required to DIVINE what you meant.

When you make a blanket statement, all examples contained within that set of circumstances are valid. If you say that cats should be white, and I ask whether or not you mean that the pads of their paws should also be white, that is a valid request for clarification or justification of your statement.

Suggesting that I do not possess minimal reading skills neither clarifies nor justifies your argument. If you wish to insult my reading ability--and again, I would recommend that you research the difference between reading skills and comprehension skills here--you can do so directly in the second person. Hiding behind the third person does not magically make your argument more logically coherent, nor your insults less offensive.

While this is an exciting little detour, I am confounded as to why you refuse to either clarify or justify your proto-Dickensian statements on personal time within the workplace. If I said that Democratic politicians who speak to Republicans should be voted out of office, I would expect that many posters would request a clarification or a justification. Why should you be allowed an exemption here?

[jody]

63. So you have the power to DIVINE what someone writes.

:rofl:

[Ignis]

72. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Please do work on those reading comprehension skills while I'm away on vacation.

Bon chance.

[Dorian Gray]

91. But you did sort of imply that, Jody.

Otherwise people wouldn't be on your case about it. Personally, if someone CONSTANTLY wrote emails back and forth of this nature, and I were the boss, I'd be pissed. But this one little exchange? How much time did it really take? And why would it be a problem at all?

[jody]

92. Sorry but I did not imply that. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

40. It's a perk.

I'll leave it at that.

[jody]

44. Perks are included in policy statements, otherwise they are subject to

elimination with every change in leadership.

[Catherine Vincent]

45. Okay.

[habitual]

75. you are so wrong

Management makes decisions based on a wealth of information. Don't you know that? An employees performance can be stellar whether or not they are spending a small fraction of the time they have on personal activities (such as reading and responding to political e-mail). To assume that you know what a particular persons performance is simply because you see that they participated in an email conversation, shows exactly the extent of your knowledge of successful management techniques (not the draconian 100% employee efficiency you spout.)

Of course, according to the responses that you have given to several wise responses earlier, it seems that you have no position to stand on and will fall back on this unverifiable argument: "I am a great manager, at a great company." You will claim to have experience contradicting what we all know as truth, but refuse in any way to own up to it. then you will say "Nope, sorry, you are wrong, nice try."

well i say to you: Nope, sorry, you are wrong, nice try.

And i do not claim to be good at any management techniques personally, so attack me if you want, my talents are elsewhere and I know it!

[jody]

94. I see we disagree on whether it is appropriate for employees to

use company time and resources for not company activities. :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Dorian Gray]

90. Every job that I know of

no matter in what industry, allows for non-job related activities at some point in the day. At least here, in the good old USA. We don't work in sweat shops here. We are allowed break times. And... gasp... I'm even allowed to make a personal phone call or two during the day.

[jody]

95. Every job? What about bus drivers, construction workers, miners to name a

few.

Most blue collar workers do not have the luxury of doing personal tasks on company time.

[Dorian Gray]

116. Actually,

you are right about Miners. Bus Drivers, however, get breaks. School Bus Drivers only have short routes in the mornings and afternoons. NYC bus drivers get breaks to do their shit. Construction workers get a LOT of breaks. (I know. I have a bunch of friends in Construction Development. They get A LOT OF TIME during the day to make calls and eat and smoke and shoot the shit, including political talk.)

I will give you Miners, though. I assume that you are not in charge of a mine. You are in charge of an office, or that's what you led us to beleive. So, I will ammend my statement to "all offices."

We can nitpick about all the other jobs, if you like. But, the majority of jobs out there in our country DO afford their workers some time during the day to take care of their personal shit.

[Name removed]

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[Ignis]

29. And no more bathroom breaks, you dirty proles!

I'm tired of employees shitting all over company equipment during company time!

:eyes:

[jody]

31. What do "bathroom breaks" have to do with misuse of company time? n/t

[Ignis]

32. And down we go the slippery slope.

Bathroom breaks involve company time, company resources, lost productivity, and employees being paid despite the fact that they are not working during those times.

What was unclear?

(On another note: Why the use of quotation marks? Do you think that bathroom breaks are fictional? Do you believe that employees are not actually using the bathroom when they go on bathroom breaks? Do you understand how, when, and why quotation marks are used?)

[jody]

34. Breaks contribute to productivity but IMO allowing employees to use

company time and equipment to argue political issues is not productive. :shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. What I WOULDN'T GIVE To Go To Your Work And Record How Much Time You Spend

being unproductive. This is literally one of the scariest, most rigid, narrow-minded, brutal, slave-driverish, anti-liberal type of sub-threads I have ever come across ever. I'm literally in awe of the mentality. In sheer awe of it.

But what I wouldn't give to stand behind your back all day to make sure you don't even spend a cumulative 5 minutes throughout the entire day doing anything other then productive tasks related to your job. By your standards (which I've never seen the likes of anywhere), even 5 minutes is more than any employee is allowed anywhere in any job description in any level of their performance and contributions (pretty scary opinion if you ask me). So I'd just love to have confirmation that you don't spend even 2 minutes doing anything else other than productive work (like I hope you don't ever call friends, or a spouse, or significant other. I hope you don't ever engage in friendly conversation with anyone you come across in the hallway or office unless it is of direct need to accomplish one of those ever important work tasks etc...)

[jody]

48. Businesses outsource jobs among other reasons because foreign

workers will work rather that play during work hours.

That's also why illegal workers from Central and South America are preferred for many jobs.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. Yes. Of Course! That's It! It's All OUR Fault! Bravo Jody, Bravo! You

nailed it! All of the problems with outsourcing are because we don't all have bosses like you that force us into slave labor without a moments peace or break! Brilliant! Every work environment should be like that guy with the whip on the slave boat whipping and yelling at all the others "row! row! row! row!" Bravo! That'll stop the outsourcing! Why haven't we thought of this before? All bosses should be like that. Slave driving brutal masters! Yes! Hey, I think you may have stumbled across such an amazing concept that you should post this in its own thread, I'm series!!!11111

:rofl:


OK, I'm done here. This has gotten beyond absurd and acceptable.

[jody]

52. Have a nice day. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

57. You've been posting on company time, weren't you?

[jody]

60. No, I've been posting on my own time and I never use company time

for personal things.

Nice try even though you failed. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. Just For Curiosity, You Didn't Work On These Days?

15-Feb 9:02
10-Mar 11:13
10-Mar 11:31
14-Feb 12:19 (maybe lunch)
23-Feb 12:58 (maybe lunch)
23-Feb 13:00
23-Feb 13:01
23-Feb 13:25
23-Feb 14:23
23-Feb 15:38
16-Mar 15:41
16-Mar 15:43


Just wanted to confirm, that's all! :hi:

[jody]

64. No I didn't but nice try. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. Wow, You Take Off A Lot. If You're Not Careful They Might Outsource Your

job. Seriously, taking off 25% of working days in the past month might send your job overseas in the blink of an eye! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jody]

86. Not if you own the company. Work hard and some day you might be a CEO.

Goodbye :hi:

[Zodiak]

112. If I only had a dollar

for every internet warrior who claimed to be a CEO or independently wealthy, I wouldn't be working.

Claims such as this have no weight here.

[Catherine Vincent]

66. I don't believe you.

What do you think I am? A freeper? :-)

[jody]

100. No but I do believe we disagree on whether it is proper for employees to

use company time and resources for personal affairs.

[Name removed]

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[Ignis]

43. Ah. So your argument is changing on the fly, I see.

So we should allow employees the bare minimum of unmonitored time to do their private business on company time and using company resources--but only if this graceful allowance improves the company's bottom line?

Perhaps we should time these bathroom breaks, or allow only a limited number of #1 and #2 bathroom breaks per day? Do we monitor the vital signs of female employees to ensure that they are not taking advantage of the company's generosity and going to the bathroom more often when they are not actually menstruating?

(You do understand what "slippery slope" implies, no? It's a bit more complex than quotation marks, granted.)

[jody]

93. What are you talking about? I stated that exchange of emails between

apparently left wing and right wing employees on company time with company resources is not appropriate.

Do you believe such behavior is appropriate?

[holboz]

84. Jody must work at the Wal-Mart Home office..

99% of the people in my neighborhood work at the WM home office. Jody, sounds like a manager over there. I've been told that there are microchips in their name badges that track associates' location in the building. If you spend too much time in the restroom they send someone after you.


Sounds like your kind of place to me.

[jody]

96. I don't work at Wal-Mart, do you? n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

109. jody...you keep saying goodbye..and yet, there you are again. If you don't

have an opinion on the OP's original post, why not hide the thread and move on? Getting up on a high horse and going off topic on the OP just shows a person to be rude and a bit snooty.

I am guessing that you one, don't own a business, and two, would not be put in a management position due to your obvious inability to get along with people. I own my own business ( a small real estate appraisal corp) and still manage to spend time on DU and get my work done, with record turnovers and no complaints from the several banks I serve. I've considered hiring an office manager and perhaps a staffer...you wouldn't be it. You lack the tact and levelheadedness needed to run an office.

Have a nice day, and good luck with your job hunt.

[Zodiak]

37. you would not make a good boss n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. I Think Even Hitler From The Grave Is Saying "Whoaaa, Ease Up There!"

:rofl:

[Zodiak]

54. It just saddens me that people who go to work

are expected to deal with, aceept, and love this attitude.

Only white collar workers are allowed to be human beings at work, anymore. I know because I have seen it from both sides. Blue-collar man has someone like this poster up their bum all day and white-collar man takes 2.5 hour lunches and has an ever-mushrooming salary and NO supervision. And the difference between blue-collar man and white-collar man is practically nil....just the ability to make it through college (by hook, crook, or hard-work). Blue-collar man ostensibly works harder and puts up with waaaay more crap than white-collar man.

How far we have fallen when DUers have buy hook, line, and sinker into the idea that companies are doing us a FAVOR by prviding work and we should love it and strive every minute to pay them back for the privelege.

Fuck that...it is a contract and both sides are equally important. X amount of work for Y amount of pay and benefits...and Y is shrinking fast. The company owns nothing else, especially not the right to treat people like maggots. And now the threat to send the job to some Indian if we don't like it enough?

But I say this knowing that no stupid-ass manager or underpaid Indian can even HOPE to do my job.

Take a break, steal a smoke, talk to your cubicle neighbor, diddle around on DU, enjoy yourself. Be human. Don't be a machine because at the end of life, a person regrets always doing what they are told to do.

Oh...and every now and again tell your boss to stick it up his ass. Studies show it makes people at least feel better about themselves to assert their humanity.

[jody]

98. No comment. n/t

[DuaneBidoux]

122. Trust me, white collar folks have taken a hit recently. Now CEOs?

That's a different story.

[jody]

97. Why? Because I expect employees to work for their pay? n/t

[gollygee]

38. Most bosses don't have sticks up their butts

and don't mind employees talking to each other in person or over email so long as they get their work done.

:shrug:

[Celeborn Skywalker]

71. Seig Heil! (nt)

[jody]

99. What is your point? n/t

[Name removed]

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[NMDemDist2]

80. this is one of the most bizarre subthreads I've ever read

I have been one of those "productive" employees of which you speak. It was all business all the time from the moment I hit the front door in the morning til I got home at night (my commute was used to return business calls on my cell phone)

I increased business by 32% on average for 2.5 years and saved the company $$ to the tune of 9% a year through cost cutting measures (I know this because I wrote my own reviews and goals for the year so my boss could decide what my salary should be)

My boss cried when I quit.

I was so burnt out, I aged 10 years in thirty three months if you compared photos before and after. I had no energy for my husband, my home, my animals. I didn't have energy to go to the movies or to even read a book.

Never NEVER again will I do that to myself and my family.


Have a nice day :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. Holy Cow You Said It AZDem.

Boggles my mind sometimes that no matter how hard I try I still get people bitchin and starting trouble with me for no damn reason LOL Course, I could probably use a lesson in impulse control so that I don't always feel the need to respond each time, but still LOL I started this thread as something all could enjoy without the need for division since there were so many other argumentative threads going on. Figured it would be good for a quick breather. Course, the huge ass mind boggling sub thread in the middle I agree is one of the strangest things I've ever come across. It's like so out of place in this thread isn't it? I just don't know what some people are thinking sometimes LOL

[jody]

102. Some people think left wing and right wing employees should not use

company time and resources for personal affairs. Apparently you disagree. :shrug:

[DuaneBidoux]

123. With your tag and messages I wonder why you're on DU.

[jody]

124. I participate on DU because I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat and my tag

indicates my support for the Democratic Party Platform that says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do." See http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

Those who would ban handguns or all guns do not support the Democratic Party position.

Suggest you read my thread at Employers, "Fully 26% have fired workers for misusing the Internet. Another 25% have terminated employees for e-mail misuse."

Since my positions are main stream Democratic planks, DU supports the Democratic Party, and you apparently disagree with me, I must echo your question - "I wonder why you're on DU?"

[DuaneBidoux]

126. bear arms. Hell, a nuke is an arm. How about a bazooka!

[jody]

127. Please visit DU's Guns forum and read both sides of the RKBA debate. n/t

[qanda]

108. I'm sorry that people do that to you

It's really unfair. It's none of their business, if the thread was about how you got in trouble for trading emails then I could see someone jumping in to say something about it. Since it wasn't, I'm not sure why they thought they could scold you in that way, but it's good to see that the majority of people on this subthread have come to your defense.

[jody]

101. I understand your experience but that has nothing to do with whether it

is appropriate for employees to use company time and resources for personal affairs.

[NMDemDist2]

103. I disagree

"company time" is the key.

IIRC Federal Law demands in an eight hour day a worker should get at least (2) ten minute breaks and at least (1) minimum 30 minute meal time, a total of at least 50 minutes of breaks

the emails above couldn't have taken more than 5 minutes in toto per employee

as for the use of company email for the exchange, most would agree it's a healthy and productive for employees to interact regarding current affairs. unless it is clearly outlined in the employee manual, interaction on non business issues, as long as they are not illegal or immoral, is not an unusual part of policy

"The email policy should be drafted with the help of human resources, IT and board of directors in order to reflect all viewpoints in the organization. It is also advisable to have several employees look at the policy and provide their feedback. Make sure that your policy is not so restrictive that it will compromise your employees' morale and productivity."

[IdaBriggs]

115. Perhaps you should start a separate thread and stop hijacking this one? nt

[jody]

125. I did and the thread is "Employers, 'Fully 26% have fired workers for

misusing the Internet."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=688369&mesg_id=688369

[Bridget Burke]

117. Please explain YOUR experience to us....

From your obtuse smallmindedness, I find it hard to believe you own a business.

However, you could well be in management. Unfortunately, your type is all too common.

[NMDemDist2]

118. rofl

thasss RIGHT!

:rofl:

[sakabatou]

14. My, my... it's hard to argue with someone who's drunk so much kool-aid

[mondo joe]

18. Tell him he won't be sending emails like that when President Hillary takes

charge of the domestic spying the Republicans made legal.

[Minnesota Libra]

24. GOOD REPLIES - especially the people you copied who will.....

....also read it and probably change their vote because you made them think.:toast: Good Job!!:applause:

[a kennedy]

26. I couldn't have said this better......

"Though I don't agree with raising the sales tax, overall as a whole the country will be far better of when the Democrats take back Congress in November as opposed to the rubber stamping, lack of oversight, fascist condoning, constitution destroying, Election stealing, Terry Schiavo diagnosing, Civil rights abandoning, bribe accepting, CIA covert agent leaking, response to Katrina lacking, Record deficit creating, women's choice sabotaging, illegal war justifying, fear mongering, Oil company massaging, global warming ignoring, media controlling, cronyism promoting, dissent forbidding, lying, cheating, stealing criminal republican administration and congress we currently are dealing with."

Can I use this for my signature line??? :)

[Misunderestimator]

28. Ok... that gave me a headache.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. Take Three Tylenol With A Full Glass Of Water.

And while you're waiting for it to kick in, try to avoid sitting too close to your computer monitor. :hi:

[Ksec]

67. Excellent beatdown Op

Doesnt it feel great? I can think of nothing more satisfying than rubbing their noses in the shit theyve brought with them.

The important thing is to remind them the failures of their majority and how its killing everyone. Tell them to take their failed ideology and go to China (China is where all our jobs have gone and I hear they like dictators)

[Ksec]

68. recommended btw

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

76. I Enjoy Those Exchanges So Much More Now, And I Owe A Lot To DU

In November 04, I was far more defensive and frustrated in reply and let him get the better of me. But since, in large part because of how much the adminstration has sunk since and even larger part due to how much I've learned that I otherwise might not have known because I found DU, I now and forever hold the upper hand with him. :)

[Hatalles]

77. Hahahah. You kicked him to the curb.

LOL. His "socialism/communism" comment is so tired... you know you have 'em against the ropes when they're muttering that old garbage. :rofl:

[NoSheep]

78. Good Job! Expose the lies.

Kicked and nominated!:kick:

[mandyky]

79. I thought the GOP was FOR consumption taxes

Isn't the flat tax similar to states' sales taxes?
I don't consider sales taxes to be taxes, since you only pay when you buy something. Much better than raising property/school taxes for home/property owners.

Remind your co-worker that that sales tax does not effect wages, savings, and investments, only purchases.

[kath]

85. sales taxes are regressive, affecting the poor much more than the

rich (and therefore tend to be high, and applied even to *grocery* purchases, in conservative states)

To me, taxing people for buying groceries is absolutely immoral (and un-Christian - don't think Jeebus would like to know that in Oklahoma, a poor mother buying a gallon of milk for her children typically pays around 24 cents or more in sales tax - in most municipalities combined state and local sales tax comes to approx 8%. OKC is 8.375%. Everything is taxed, except prescription meds. Non-prescription meds, groceries, everything else taxed at this high rate.)

It seems much fairer to increase property taxes (or to have a *progressive* income tax system - more like it used to be) than to tax people on the basic necessities of life.

[mandyky]

107. You don't pay sales tax on groceries (in NY anyway)

You do on restaurant food, I think. But yep, that is why I do not like the flat tax idea for replacing income tax.

[progressoid]

83. I always chuckle at the references to Russia

Of course they like to avoid talking about how socialism works in most of the other countries that use it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

87. That's great!!

Did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=683046&mesg_id=683046

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

88. Touche! Great reply.

I enjoyed reading your email exchange and the rest of your post, until jody showed up like a skunk at a picnic. Reminds me of Debby Downer from SNL.

[hopeisaplace]

89. good read! thanks, great response...and next time you may want

to ask him to "define communism"...and then send him another exercise
ask him to "define fascism" ...then another question "define socialsim"...
he'll be forced to look things up and maybe in the process get an education
of some sort.
I find people use these words and have no idea what they mean. Hell, throw
in "define democracy".

[Pachamama]

104. Another reply to add to his "Communism & Socialism" comment:

Your Bushbot colleague suggested that those things didn't work out for Russia (actually the Soviet Union) either....

Suggest to him "You mean we should try out a decade long war on a Middle East Country, fighting an insurgency and driving our country into bankruptcy?"

:eyes:

See how he answers that one....DUH!

[obxhead]

106. VERY well done.....

:toast: :applause:

[HughBeaumont]

110. Because to freepers -

Not giving corporations and the wealthy whatever the hell they want seventy googolplex fold over the middle/working/poor class = communism.

[theHandpuppet]

111. I'd also send him these....

First: From flush to busted:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

And this:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/14118285.htm

Posted on Fri, Mar. 17, 2006
Senate OKs increase in federal debt limit

WASHINGTON — Congress raised the limit on the federal government’s borrowing by $781 billion Thursday.

On vote after vote in the House and Senate, lawmakers demonstrated the growing gap between their political promises to rein in spending and their need to respond to emergencies and protect politically popular programs.

The $2.8 trillion budget squeaked through Thursday night, 51 to 49. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, expressed regret that he could not hold President Bush’s $873 billion line on discretionary spending, but he said negotiations with the House could bring spending back down.

With no brakes on spending and no moves afoot to raise taxes, the federal debt is now raising at an unprecedented clip.

The government bumped up against its $8.18 trillion statutory debt ceiling last month, forcing the Treasury to borrow from employee pension funds to keep the government operating.

After weeks of pleading from Treasury Secretary John Snow, the Senate took the politically unpalatable but economically critical step Thursday of raising the ceiling for borrowing to $8.96 trillion. Under House rules, the debt limit was raised last year without a vote when lawmakers approved a budget.

It was the fourth debt-ceiling increase in the past five years, following $450 billion in 2002, a record $984 billion in 2003 and $800 billion in 2004. The statutory debt limit has now risen by more than $3 trillion since Bush took office.

“This should be a wake-up call for every member of the Senate, every member of Congress, and a wake-up call for the president of the United States,” said Sen. Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat and the ranking Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee. “The question is: Are we staying on this course to keep running up the debt, debt on top of debt, increasingly financed by foreigners, or are we going to change course?”

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican, acknowledged that the debt had risen at a remarkable pace, but said he and his colleagues had no alternative. “Without an increase in the debt limit, our government will face a choice that we shouldn’t make and we wouldn’t want to make, a choice between breaking the law by exceeding the statutory debt limit or, on the other hand, breaking faith with the public by defaulting on our debt.”


— The Washington Post

[Roland99]

114. Typical Freeper mindset. Anything not kissing *'s ass is communism.

:eyes:

[DuaneBidoux]

119. You should have said "You like fascism so much it seemed to work well for

Germany!

But you did good anyway!