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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:17 AM
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Vidal on Capote ... and Bush
May we ask you about “Capote”?

Oh, Capote. I spent half a century trying to avoid him, in life, and now suddenly I’m surrounded by him.

He was a pathological liar. He couldn’t tell the truth about anything, and he’d make it up as he went along. He always wore dark glasses, and his eyes would drop behind the dark glasses, and he would seem to be looking down at his nose, and then as he got more and more frenzied—the lies really very frenzied, they were orgasmic—you would start to see the eyes begin to roll up to see if you’d fallen for what he was saying.

And it was always about famous people, some he’d barely heard of before. I remember he told me once “I’m the American Proust.”

So I said, “So who’s your Mme Verdurin?”

“Who?”

He had not heard of one of Proust’s principal characters. He was confidently illiterate. It’s highly suitable that he would become iconic, because he didn’t know anything, and never told the truth. Doesn’t he fit in the age of Bush?

Did you find the movie to be an accurate reflection of his personality?

Well no, but it wasn’t supposed to be. It was a good movie, and they touched upon his treachery toward the two boys. He wants them to swing, because if they don’t he can’t finish his book and if he hasn’t finished his book, he’s in trouble.

Kenneth Tynan, a great critic of that period, did an attack on “In Cold Blood.” It ran in The Observer in London. The headline was “For Cold Cash,” which was about the right tone, and that was pretty much the tone of the movie. The movie is quite brave about showing somebody who did not have any redeeming characteristics, nor did they pretend he had.

And how about the book itself?

Oh, I couldn’t read it. I read a bit of it in The New Yorker and thought; I’m not interested in murders, and pointless ones at that! I don’t know what excitement he got out of it. Obviously some voyeuristic aspect of himself was well served by contemplating it.

In the film he had a frightening way of being able to create an empathetic connection with whomever he was trying to seduce at the time. Did he have that in real life as well?

Yes, he was a very astute flatterer.

Doesn’t sound like it worked so well on you.

No, it didn’t. We were always linked, my first bestselling novel was in 1948 and his was also published in 1948. He was a year older than—I was 23, he was 24. And there we were, our names were forever linked on the bestseller list, and he started saying things about me, which people were delighted to hear.

But I just avoided him for years…. You know, there is a second Capote movie coming up, and I’m in it. I’m being played by quite a good British actor—Rupert Everett. I ran into him recently, and he told me he was playing me, and so I said well, have a good time, and he said, “You know I’ve been complaining it’s such a small part.”

I said, “Because I avoided Capote!”

Link:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060303_gore_vidal_sex_oscars


The folk who understood and portrayed Capote as having "no redeeming characteristics" should be able to do a Bu$h flick in their sleep ... except for all the nightmares they might have about just what a cold blooded, mass murderer Bu$h is.


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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:19 AM
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1. Not another hissyfit. This has been old for a long time.
Redstone
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:21 AM
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2. No. Just the truth; which seems necessarily to be repeated every few ...
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 01:22 AM by understandinglife
... nanoseconds ....


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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:24 AM
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3. "And it was always about famous people"
lol, pot meet kettle.

What a jealous bitch-fest he can throw. :eyes:

Ugly.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:27 AM
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4. Sorry, your time is over, Mr. Vidal.
Capote has been gone for QUITE awhile.

And By The Way, I used to work in an Irish joint on 2nd Ave and 41St. called O'Lunney's and I happened to see and observe Mr. Truman Capote. The fact that I even knew who he was is a marvel.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:40 AM
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8. You gotta read him. He was a consumate master of his craft.
And, he threw a good fit, too.

lol
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:46 AM
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11. I was slapping down Vidal, not Capote.
But I bet they both could throw good fits.
I've read both, I'm pretty sure.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:50 AM
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15. Vidal gets better every time I read him. Clairvoyant even.
Capote is a harder read for me, but maybe I haven't been as receptive to him.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:33 AM
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5. So, he was a liar, illiterate, and a gossip. I noticed however
that Mr. Vidal never said the guy couldn't WRITE.

Um, because he could. I judge an artist like I judge a president--by his work. I couldn't care less about the personal life, and why should I?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:40 AM
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7. Agreed. Excellent writer. Wish I could say the same about ...
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 01:55 AM by understandinglife
... the job performance of the current occupant of the west wing -- for whom traits like lying and being illiterate are definitely not part of the job description.

(p.s. read "In Cold Blood" shortly after it was published; first edition copy, that I purchased when I was a college freshman, is in my home library.)


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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:50 AM
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14. Same here.
I'm a fan of both Gore Vidal, for his intelligent wit, & of Truman Capote for his work. I read "In Cold Blood" when I was 14. It was a work of art.

I'm also a big fan of Woody Allen.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:38 AM
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6. "Because I avoided Capote."
:rofl:

Ignore either of these men at your own peril. They are the best of us. And their life long spat was also the best of us.

lol
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:44 AM
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9. Not really
Two Divas fighting can be funny. An old Diva attacking a long-dead Diva is just sad.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:45 AM
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10. Depends on what you mean by dead.
I argue with my dead kin all the time.

It's a way to honor them, doncha know. :)
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:50 AM
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13. Arguing is one thing
If you are telling them they are utterly worthless human beings, and passing that opinion on to others, then I would be nervous on the day I die, lol.

This reminds me of Da Vinci on his deathbed cursing Michelangelo.

Jeez, Vidal could make up with Mailer, let the dead one go!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:53 AM
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16. You do see, we're meaner to the ones we're closer to.
Lol

There's a part of me that wishes this fight would just keep going, because most people don't do it very well.

lol

Here's to present friends and absent company, and to hell with Junior.

:toast:
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:55 AM
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17. Well, I know better...
Than to get between to Divas, dead OR alive, lol.

Cheers! :toast:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:56 AM
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19. Is THAT right!
:)
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:59 AM
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20. Have you heard this one?
Dick Cavett story:

Mailer was on his show acting like an arrogant dick and made some comment like he was too intelligent to be there and waves him off with "just read the questions" off the card.

So Cavett says: "Should I bring out another chair for your enormous intellect?"

:D

I love that line.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:00 AM
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21. LOL! No, I don't remember but I probably watched it.
:rofl:

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:04 AM
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23. Cavett could be really funny
People underestimated him. Certainly Mailer did, lol. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:06 AM
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24. I wish we could get all those Cavett shows on DVD.
He was a huge and wonderful troublemaker. :)
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:08 AM
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25. That would be cool
I'd love to see those old shows.

Off to bed. :hi:
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:22 AM
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26. Cavett was a joke! Loved to think of himself as a "wit" What a fucking
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 02:44 AM by LaPera
clown. Cavett, always the out of step hipster, wearing scarfs around his neck in the sixties with his idiotic hair, still gives me laughs and nightmares!

Vidal is the real deal...a great writer and novelist and a true liberal...Fuck Mailer, Fuck Capote and Fuck Buckley!

All Vidal was stating was the truth and these pansies-asses here can't handle the truth!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:24 AM
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27. Thank you for weighing in. n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:24 AM
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28. But Mr. Cavett went to YALE, as he would often remind people
just was there a time in between Bushes.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:47 AM
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12. Certainly Vidal is!
:hi:


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:55 AM
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18. Oh, it's EASY to like him.
:rofl:

:hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:01 AM
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22. HA!
:rofl: :hi:


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