James Webb on Hardball Transcript - 3/14/06

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Crossposted from the Virginia Forum:


MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL. Virginia Senator George Allen made a big splash at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference. We saw it down there in Memphis last weekend. Many people there were excited about his presidential hopes for 2008. But before that can happen, Allen is trying to get reelected to the Senate in 2006, this year.

One of the Democrats looking to derail both bids is James Webb, the ex-Republican who served as Navy secretary during the Reagan administration. He‘s author of the book “Born Fighting,” which is now in paperback, “Born Fighting.”

You were first a Democrat, then a Republican, then a Democrat.

JAMES WEBB (D), VIRGINIA SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: I‘m like I think a large number of people in this country who after—during the Vietnam War became alienated from the Democratic Party, basically feeling like they weren‘t welcomed there and went to the Republicans on the national security issues, but never were really comfortable on the social issues over there. And over the past—well, since 9/11, really...

MATTHEWS: ... OK, you liked the Vietnam War but you don‘t like this war?

WEBB: I think it‘s fair to say. I think I can give you a justification for why we were in Vietnam and I was very leery of this war, even well before we went in.

MATTHEWS: Why do you think we went to war?

WEBB: In Iraq?

MATTHEWS: Can you give me an honest answer or is it too complicated?

WEBB: In Iraq?

MATTHEWS: Yes, why did we go to war in Iraq?

WEBB: I think if I would summarize it, is that first of all, we squandered a historic opportunity on 9/11 to bring most of the nations of the world with us on the war against international terrorism.

MATTHEWS: Here here, they were all with us.

WEBB: And we alienated allies almost deliberately and we went after a situation that had existed pre-9/11. There is a lot of talk among the people who brought us into this war saying that the world changed after 9/11.

My view is it changed in a way differently than they are saying, that the problem of international terrorism grew from regional to international, rather than vice versa. And the worst thing that we could have done strategically would have been to go into one country that was not directly threatening us and occupy it.

MATTHEWS: Do you think we would have been better off just chasing al Qaeda?

WEBB: I think, first of all, the situation in Iraq wasn‘t that bad when we went in. We had people on the ground. We had not had that in 1998 when the resolutions were passed that the—for regime change in there. We could have contained Saddam Hussein. The greatest military victory of the last 80 years was the Cold War, where we contained an expansionist nation, wore them down, without a large loss of life and that sort of thing.

MATTHEWS: Jim, could we have counted on our allies to really force that containment of Iraq, keeping him in his box?

WEBB: I think so. I mean, Saddam Hussein was approaching 70 at the time that we went in and he was pretty well beaten down. We could have done that, focused on international terrorism. I wrote a piece on this very early on, right after 9/11, about how to fight international terrorism and one of the paragraphs in there was, do not occupy territory, do not allow yourself to become a target rather than a mobile apparatus for going after them.

MATTHEWS: That‘s what former secretary of defense Clark Clifford, wherever you go you, that‘s where you are going to get be, when you get stuck. Let me ask you, Virginia‘s a pretty much pro-military state, you‘re a military guy. How do you launch an anti-war alternative to this war campaign a guy like George Allen in Virginia?

WEBB: Well I think a lot of people think that this campaign is going to be an antiwar campaign. It‘s not. It‘s going to be talking about reorienting our defense priorities. Iraq is a part of that, but we‘ve lost sight of a lot of the strategic issues. China and India are sort of redefining the international power centers of the world, those sorts of things on defense policy.

But the other two issues that I think are really strong here that we‘re going to focus on. First of all, the issues of fairness. I mean, this country is breaking into three pieces and people aren‘t talking about it. Economically, the people at the top have never done better. The middle class is stagnating. They‘re seeing jobs exported overseas. And we‘re in danger of creating a permanent underclass, I‘m going to talk about that. And then the key issue, when we‘re looking at the last couple of weeks is presidential authority and who in the Congress has been standing up to these abuses?

MATTHEWS: Do you have $20 million or $30 million?

WEBB: No, I‘m doing this with not a lot of money right now.

MATTHEWS: How are you going to get on television and make your campaign? How are you going to get your message across?

WEBB: We started four weeks ago and we have done—we‘re starting late, but we‘ve gotten a good bunch of people around us and we‘re just going to go out and make the message.

MATTHEWS: Well welcome to the 21st century, Jim. To get your message on television is going to cost you a lot of money, unfortunately, you‘ve got to raise it.

WEBB: Well, that‘s true, and that‘s something I intend to talk about if I‘m elected, by the way.

MATTHEWS: OK, well good luck. I appreciate anybody with the guts to run. Thank you, Jim Webb, former secretary of the Navy under Reagan.

Right now, it‘s time for “THE ABRAMS REPORT” with Dan.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11842079/

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1. I appreciate what Webb's saying BUT

As Reagans Secry of the Navy he was the architect of Reagan's huge and ridiculous buildup of the Navy. The "Five hundred ship navy" included taking WWII era battleships out of mothballs (I think Missourri class) and having them steam around and point big guns in the general directions of militias in Lebanon. I don't know if this guy wouldn't be handing out more big military contracts.