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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:53 PM
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Is it more important to attack *, or Republican leadership in Congress?
This question occured to me in the light of the administrations sinking poll numbers, and current events in which the Republican leadership has not hesitated to distance itself from the administration.

If you accept the premise that Bush is a lame-duck, might it not be more important for the Democratic Party TODAY to be differentiating itself from the Republican-controlled congress?

I realize of course we can attack both and have been attacking both, but where should most of energies be directed at this point in order to be most effective. I don't think attacking * at this time is necessarily the same thing as attacking the Republican congress. Do you?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:55 PM
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1. The are one in the same.
BUSH = RUBBERSTAMP CONGRESS = RADICAL REPUBLICAN AGENDA = WRONG FOR AMERICA
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:55 PM
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2. All of them
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:56 PM
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3. The barons-reverend-,ceo's- PNAC are to blame. George is a front man - a
and fund raiser. Congress facilitates what PNAC, the baraons, the reverends, the ceo's, the Fed Socity, and the military want.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:57 PM
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4. Yes.
What we have to avoid is appeasment.

People won't vote for an opposition party unless there is one.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:57 PM
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5. We don't need to attack the idiot,
he's self destructing. We need to concentrate on showing the voters that the republican congress is just as incompetent and dishonorable as he is.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:57 PM
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6. What, attacking dems isn't a choice? Is this DU? nt
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:58 PM
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7. attack the entire party
Theyre all guilty.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 06:59 PM
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8. It's better to champion the clear interests of the American public
than to go negative.

You can censure Bush, for example, without attacking him. You can uphold the law and let the process take it's course.

The Thug base must be sick of the constant hate by now. Stuff like that only works so well so long before people tune it out.

People want to know if you're listening to them more than they want to hear what you have to say.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:01 PM
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9. Attack congress and senate !! * is lame water fowl. The congress
is already keeping away from him.

You can point to the republican congress and senate and how they supported * instead of making government work for the people.

In a sense they are one in the same - but I think * is going be trying to pull off some outrageous power grabs just to distract democratic lawmakers from attacking the enemy they need to vanquish in november the repukians.
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Oneliest Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:02 PM
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10. Dont attack either
As a republican for the last 15 years, unti about an hour ago when I articulated it to myself, these people do not represent you.
Attacking Bush or the Republicans is the worst thing Democrats can do. When you attack the Republicans essentially define the debate. Democrats desperately need to get a common core message even if its only a handful of items that resonate with promise, prosperity, and moving forward. Just remove the republicans from the entire debate, make them irrelevant.


http://lonelyistheoneliestnumber.blogspot.com/
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:02 PM
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11. YES. Period.
The answer to your question is simply YES. You hit BOTH - bush AND the republi-CONS. BOTH. They have to be perceived as one-and-the-same (one-in-the-same? Never knew which this was). We have to make sure bush is LAMINATED, EPOXIED, FULL-FUSED to the republi-CONS, and vice versa.

There will be a substantial attempt, as we get toward fall, by the bad guys to posture as though they're pulling away from him, defying his policies, bucking his authority, to save their own skins. But you KNOW that if they succeed, that distancing they will have faked during the campaign will vanish into thin air and they'll be talking about mandates and the benediction of the masses and their anointing from On High once again, as though nothing happened. And it'll be back to business as usual.

They have to be portrayed as a two-headed monster. Especially since that's EXACTLY what they are.

Vigilance, guys.

Eyes on the Prize.

Keep visualizing...

Visualize IMPEACHMENT.
Then go DO something about it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:22 PM
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12. if you want a liberal/progressive revival --.
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 07:25 PM by xchrom
then you must attack conservatism

the bedrock that any conservative stands on must be subject to liberal/progressive jackhammers.

i.e. the liberal/probressive point of view is more friendly to the way that anyone wants lives in society than conservatism.

the liberal/progressive line on taxes is superior and more helpful.

the liberal/progressive line on corpratism is more fiendly to the health of americans up and down the economic sectrum.

and so on.

bush and any republican must be scrutinized at all times with an eye to promoting, and pushing the liberal/progressive agenda.

i think in no small part we are paying a political price today for not dealing more forcefully with reagan and the reagan legacy.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:31 PM
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13. Attack the LACK of leadership of the entire Republican party . . .
But stay away from attacking Bush the man because he can't run for re-election again anyway.

Attack his policies instead!

Point out that there is NO plan for the Iraq War.
Point out that there is NO plan to create jobs in America.
Point out that there is NO plan to balance the budget.
Point out that there is NO plan to lower the national debt.

And remind them who is in control of both houses of Congress - the R party.
They know Bush is in the White House, they put him there.
They already know he is an R.

So, don't attack their diety!
Bush is their sacred cow.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:32 PM
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14. You go after the GOP leadership by tying them to BushCo
That's how you do it.
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:53 AM
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17. I think both and repeat all the reasons why.
fabricated war, illegal wiretapping, runaway deficit, bad economy, Hurricane Katrina.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:45 PM
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15. While I agree both
I think hitting scrub is better because he's so visible and it splits the cohesiveness of the party.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:55 PM
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16. Offer a better choice.
Announce a plan for the re-deployment of US Troops and Mercs out of Iraq.
Announce a plan to create jobs in America.
Announce a plan to balance the budget.
Announce a plan plan to lower the national debt.
Announce a plan plan for Health Care.

Other plans?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:56 AM
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18. It is important to tie the two together in the mids of the public.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:01 AM
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19. Both! You have to rub the stink of Bush off on them.
and show how they carry his water and don't act as ballast for him
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