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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:07 AM Original message |
Do you want to understand why the fundies have so much power? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. Fear of Jesus is pretty powerful |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Fear of Jesus has little if anything to do with it.. It's just selfish |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Then why do they vote for the bullies? |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. That isn't it at all.. These people think that the downfall of our country |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Okay but don't downplay the power of *God Will Smite Me* |
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msgadget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I agree, selfishness and a mean-spiritedness advanced using |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. That seems to be the hallmark of fundies, " mean-spiritedness" nt |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Don't forget the Almighty Dollar |
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Wise Doubter (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. Jesus/God has EVERYTHING to do with it... |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Uh, as a former fundie I can tell you, you're completely off the mark.. |
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Wise Doubter (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Exactly my point. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. ...and using the fear of Jesus to get it done. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "Creator is not lurking somewhere with a big stick |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. An interesting post |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. They take the stance that the ends justify the means.. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. But any spiritual teacher will tell you |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yea, and you're talking about truly religious people. These people aren't. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. I basically agree with you c_d. If they worried about the afterlife |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. They are natural allies, despite their differences. |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
5. the highjacking of conservatives |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. In regards to leadership you are correct, in my post I was addressing |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. Actually I spent the past 6 years |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. "... talk openly about ridding their party of the fundie parasites." |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Wow that's great to hear! |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
13. My favorite bumper sticker: The Moral Majority is Neither n/t |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The fundy movement has little to do with religion.. It's about gaining |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Yes, it's about using religion as a control mechanism. It's |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. And "The Religious Right Is Neither" is also true. |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Yup, but this was a bumper sticker from the 1980's |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. This is a great and important post. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
18. The squeaky mouse gets the cheese. |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
21. Even 15-20% seems really high. To me, there seems to be a lot |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
22. I read a detailed article that pointed out it happened the other way aroun |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
77. The Religious Right served as "Willing Fools" for the neocons. (NT) |
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Minnesota Libra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
23. GREAT POST - AND TRUE TOO!!!!!!! nt |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
26. Fundamentalism itself is not the problem. |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I understand that, but the point I'm trying to make is that 1. There isn't |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. OK. You're a recovering Fundamentalist... |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Okay.. Take the word of someone who wrote a book about it, or someone |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Well, you were raised to think you were always right. |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I wasn't raised to believe I was always right, seems there are many things |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. You're talking about those "guys with Condederate flags on their trucks.. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
30. As per your request: |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Another winner, SR!!! |
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Beware the Beast Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
31. Ugh... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. Good post. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
36. Maybe that's why they like Walmart. Really cheap prices for all the |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. they have money and power.. |
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DemInDistress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
39. To me it has less to do with "religious people" but more to |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. You're right in that assessment.. To be able to carry the numbers though, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
40. At least in the fifties, working class people made enough |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Not to mention far less of a tax burden . . . |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
42. This is what I'm finally coming to realize: |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
44. I think they dumped |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
46. The fundamentalists are the "useful idiot" shock troops for the neocons |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. True to a point, but they're getting something out if it too.. They get |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Maybe |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. It isn't over yet, not by a long shot.. They still have a couple years to |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. K & R - Thanks C.D!!! (n/t) |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. It doesn't take a majority to take control |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. You are completely on the mark.. Perfect example of that is the FCC |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
58. promise keepers ????? n/t |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
59. Most religions are ultimately about imposing power. (n/t) |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
62. They earned it |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. They didn't "earn" anything. No matter who does the representing, they are |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
63. I agree with the 15% number, 30% when only half the people vote. |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. They are getting something out of this too.. Do you have any idea how much |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. But who runs the "Church?" |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue about what your talking about.. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I'm not underestimating anybody. |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Excellent concept. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. "Look at the shiny penny." |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
66. I agree 100% about the |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
68. could it be a karmic degeneration perhaps |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. excellent OP |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-17-06 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
71. Those of us who oppose the right wing need to do the same thing! |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
72. "Powerless white guys"? Hardly. They have PLENTY of power,... |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-18-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. That's the thing though, the followers aren't really successful, that's why |
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