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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:48 PM
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VIDEO- KO/Jonathan Turley- WARRANTLESS PHYSICAL SEARCHES
shit-US News and World Report tomorrow

Maybe THIS will make Republicans fcking do their jobs.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:58 PM
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1. I can only HOPE the MSM reopens this story , and convinces
many people that they're wrong when they say "I don't care cause I'm not doing anything wrong!"
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:59 PM
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2. Do ya think? Yes, I'm sure Arlen Specter will be calling for
hearings to investigate this immediately. :sarcasm:

What on earth is it going to take for the sheeple to wake up?

ps. thanks for posting liveoaktx. You're terrific.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:03 PM
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3. RISE UP AMERICA AND DEFEND YOUR CONSTITUTION!
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:04 PM
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4. Self-Delete
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 09:24 PM by sheelz
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:30 PM
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5. K&R
Well worth seeing!
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:35 PM
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6. we need to contact our reps and raise bloody hell-- AGAIN!@
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 09:36 PM by Donailin
I'm so tired of this, it's like perpetually babysitting this fucking administration and having to tell the parents to discipline the children. And he parents DO NOTHING.

.

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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:58 PM
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7. So with you.... I was disgusted last week to hear Levin say that
he was going to wait until after the Senate investigation to consider censuring Bush. WHAT INVESTIGATION? I called up his office to leave him a message about that. I mean, IF there was going to be an investigation, that would be one thing, but he has to KNOW there isn't, so why in the world say that? Wishful thinking? That won't cut it.

But, like you as well, I just can't not call because I think fundies are calling about stuff all the time, and I'm not going to give them an advantage.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:39 PM
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12. Agreed. I don't know about you...
...but I don't vote for people expecting to be their babysitter. I think we expect our representatives to be responsible adults and do their job without the need for constant reminders of what that job entails. Guess I need to rethink...while I'm dialing numbers all day to reach Congress. sigh

How outrageous does * have to get for them to get it????
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 07:53 AM
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34. EXACTLY! Why must we continuously contact them to "guide" their
votes and actions?

They have interns and staff members who can read legislation and lurk at message boards.

Perhaps it's a form of beating us down with a wet noodle. It isn't painful, but it gets tiresonme very quickly.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:04 PM
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8. Speechless! The defense lawyer's house and office were searched?
What court would order such a warrant? NONE, except maybe in a RICO case.

UnFuckingBuhleevible!

-Holler
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:20 PM
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9. Sweet Jeebus on a bike!!!
This is outrageous!!

Maybe NOW bush is worth censuring?

A more blatant violation of the fourth amendment I cannot imagine...

If this is defended and then upheld then I'm outta here...Fuck this nazi-state bullshit...
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:36 PM
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10. Wow. Just completely throw the Constitution those old founding fathers
wrote under the bus.

They can't use any excuses about this being technologically outdated. It is exactly what the founders meant when they put it in the Constitution.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:37 PM
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11. Hey Freepers!
If you think for one minute your boy Bush isn't gonna come after your beloved guns, you're as stupid as I think you are!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:05 AM
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20. That will be the last step, then it will be too late even for them.
Enjoy the serfdom we tried to warn you about, Freeps.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:40 PM
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13. K&R
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:47 PM
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14. Excellent News! We've known this has been going on for years -
now it is being exposed and being pinned to the *ites.

:kick:

I wonder what this will do to public opinion of one Senator Russ Feingold? The one who tried to stop the renewal of the Patriot Act until appropriate protections for citizens' rights were added? The one who introduced a bill to censure the President for breaking the law?

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:


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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:49 PM
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15. How's limpballs gonna
spin this?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:11 PM
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17. Not sure, but I bet it will include
9/11 Terra Libruls 9/11 Terra Libruls 9/11 Terra Libruls 9/11 Terra ... and other words to that effect.

He is currently blaming the problems in Iraq on the libruls.

:hi:
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:29 PM
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18. Don't forget Clinton, I'm sure Rush will invoke
Clinton.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:34 AM
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24. But, but Rush is fighting like crazy to stop the prosecutor from looking
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 02:35 AM by Catrina
at his medical records!! How about we all write and tell him it's no good now. His president has declared that NOTHING is private anymore so he may as well give up that self-incriminating evidence he's been trying to hide.

Ironically, the ACLU was behind Rush's attempt to keep his medical records from the prosecutor, and much as I would like to see him have to go to jail as he claimed all drug addicts should do, I was against the prosecutor also, on this one issue. But it won't matter anymore.

Send that video to the prosecutor ~ maybe he can raid Rush's lawyer's offices and get those records once and for all ~

Hey Rush, we know you read here ~ how's it going to feel when your lawyer can't protect from Bush? :rofl:
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demswin06 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:55 AM
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44. I know how Limpballs will spin this.....
as will O"Leilly,Faux,Hannity,Savage and the rest of the Bobby McFerrin crowd,and that is we have a "war on terra" and we need to do everything to make sure that Al-Queda doesn't attack us again,but the only time they've attacked us is during the rein of King George,who was on vacation when the attack was discovered.(with apologies to Mr McFerrin):boring:
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:00 PM
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16. Well, that pretty much lays it out
bare for all to see. I don't know if there is any reaching the stone headed 33%, but clearly they will become more isolated as this is finally being thrust into the public sphere.
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:41 PM
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19. Holy fucking shit.
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 11:43 PM by kanrok
That is all I can say. I weep for the loss of the 4th Amendment as I know it. Un-fucking believable. A DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAD HIS HOME AND OFFICE SEARCHED! Is nothing sacred with these assholes?
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 05:41 PM
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53. my thoughts exactly
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:14 AM
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21. My post on Congressman Conyers' blog:
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 12:17 AM by understandinglife
Good evening Congressman Conyers,

You've most likely already seen this report at DKos on the discussion between Olbermann and Turley:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/17/23535/7214

You may even have seen a pre-publication copy of the US News & World Report article on these further violations of our Constitution.

Congressman, I've sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic - earlier in my life.

I intend to do just that.

The gravest, most brazen enemy our Constitution has confronted since Jeff Davis resigned from the Senate is Bush and his neoconster crime syndicate.

They must be stopped.

Be The Bu$h Opposition, 24/7

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000404.htm#comments


As I've said repeatedly:

Be The Bu$h Opposition, 24/7


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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:14 AM
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22. For us poor folk who still live in dial-up world -
(I live in the sticks as far as broadband companies are concerned)

could someone please write out a small description of what is on the video clip? :) :) :)
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bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:43 AM
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25. Report details
Basically what is being reported is that after 9/11 administration lawyers argued that the same "legal" justification for warrantless wiretapping also extended to warrantless physical searches! There was apparently some objections from the FBI. A lawyer for a suspected terrorist alleges that his (not his clients) home was searched without a warrant.

We really need to kick this up and start demanding for a full congressional investigation into this whole affair. KO made the statement that if there was a prequel to Orwell's 1984, this is exactly how it would start! Jonathan Turley made the observation that if the Constitution continues to be chipped away in pursuit of "victory" in the "war on terror", there won't be anything left at the end but the "victory". Great observation - need to get that on t-shirts & bumperstickers!
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:08 AM
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27. Thank you so much.
And OMG! My jaw dropped (literally) when reading your post. I don't know what to say.
I'm sitting here shaking my head. Speechless.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:43 AM
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26. Dem, I also have dial up and it takes about 10 minutes to load
so what is the problem your having? AOL Media Player will show it.

Dem
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:11 AM
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28. So what is the problem I'm having? That it takes 10 minutes to load!
LOL. Sort of. It takes forever to download anything. I don't know why. Doesn't matter what media player I use. And then whatever I've downloaded -- skips, stops, starts again, stops, skips, freezes. It's just not worth it to even bother as I don't see half of what I'm supposed to be seeing.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:47 PM
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46. same here but I found that after watching the download
with all the skips,stops and breaks I re-rack the video and it plays in its entirety without skips,stops and breaks. Did you know that Dem? try it, let it play and when finished replay it, it should work fine.

Dem.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:50 PM
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48. I have tried that and sometimes it works, other times it doesn't.
I have finally decided that owning a computer is a experience, no matter what I do. LOL?

I figure that one of these years, some company will put in some affordable high speed InternetS service
where I live and then I'll be like the rest of the world. And of course, by then, there will be something even faster and more expensive and it won't be available in my area.

It's enough to drive me
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:26 AM
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23. k/r
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:35 AM
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29. Holy crap...
Keith was absolutely right... 'prequel to 1984', kiss the 4th Amendment goodbye...

:scared:
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:46 AM
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30. K & R. nt
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:51 AM
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31. I wouldn't hold my breath, They'll just deny it all...
...and call it ridiculous.

Why? Because they know they've rigged the voting machines, so they don't fear the voters any more.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:29 AM
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32. I doubt they'll even bother to deny it.
They'll invoke the "war time, we can do anything we want to protect the country" B.S that is their standard answer for everything. That they never even ASKED Congress for advice and consent is symbolic of this administration's complete disdain for the laws of our land. The dictatorship that bush so dearly wanted is already here. The Republican controlled Congress does nothing to even slow these bastards down, let alone stop them.

Let me get this straight: a blow job will bring this country to it's knees (so to speak) and invoke a constitutional crisis of historic proportions. Completely ignoring the 4th amendment and illegally prying into the lives of ordinary Americans by any means available is just another day at the plant. No oversight needed, IT'S WAR TIME! Only thing is, Congress has NEVER declared war!

I expect the Republican controlled Congress to ignore this as well. They've clearly shown that they haven't the backbone to stand up to this most criminal of administrations, or worse, that they don't care.

I weep for our country! :cry:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 07:58 AM
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35. US News & World Report is sweetens and soft-petals the Bush admin
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 08:00 AM by blondeatlast
although it's more of traditional conservative rag.

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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 07:16 AM
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33. "Maybe THIS will make Republicans fcking do their jobs?" I bet it won't
Judging from the replies I get from my Thug congressbots to past letters on similar issues I bet the GOP will decide to put an end to the matter once and for all and pass a resolution saying that Preznint Corky can do whatever the hell he feels like to anybody at any time.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:13 AM
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40. Sadly - the pubs benefit because they have access and the dems
do not.

Only pubs who stray from the fold or voice opposition will be subject to these enforcement measures - otherwise they will be directed at dems and voices of dissent.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 08:31 AM
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36. This is why I am leaving this fucked up country!
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 09:08 AM by leftchick
:argh:

This is great news that this story is coming out. Yet like ALL of the other times I have gotten my hopes up to see justice done they are dashed away by Dems sitting on their useless asses and repukes screaming unitary authority for their putrid little king.

:grr:
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 08:53 AM
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37. I asked this question a couple of days ago
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 08:53 AM by Greylyn58
but my post was only answered by a couple of people. So I'll ask it again.

With everyday that goes by and ever new outrage that comes out about Bush and his followers, I have to wonder when will the people of this nation stand up and scream in one loud voice:

"ENOUGH!"

Where is the outrage for what Bush is doing to us...to this nation? It sure seemed to be there when a President had sex in the White House. How can it not be here now? The scope of the wrong that has been done and continues to be done to this nation by Bush is monumentally more horrifying than what Clinton did in the White House.

And now this comes out!! It's enough to make my head explode.





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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 08:54 AM
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38. Absolutely riveting! -- Turley scared the living ...
... shit out of me.

5 star clip!

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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:11 AM
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39. Just a matter of time with * Corp. nt
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:17 AM
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41. This report makes me feel like saying the F-word.
Facism.

:kick:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:17 AM
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42. Turley was the "go to" guy during Clinton impeachment farce
FUCKED News, MSNoBodyCares, and CNN ALL went to him about Constitutional matters and questions. And the little dirt bag wrinkled up his nose and skewered Clinton. Now he decides his 15 minutes wasn't enough?

Keep this in mind, Monica Lewinsky had more President in her than Bush has.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:26 AM
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43. Then Bush is a coward giving in to the terrorists
That's how we spin it. He's a little wimp.

He claims they "hate us for our freedoms" so I guess he is taking away all of our freedoms so he will make the terrorists happy. He is GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT rather than protecting America and what it stands for. Fucking flip-flopping pussy.

He is a joke of an American and NO patriot. Get the sonofabitch out of MY WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!
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land of the free Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:32 AM
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45. The Republicans have their "excuse"
I wrote a letter a while back to my Republican Congressman, Joe Knollenberg. I expressed my concern about the warrantless wiretapping, and asked that he ensure the congress appoints an independent investigator to review this case. I also reminded him that laws are being broken by this administration in the name of "protecting us from the terrorists", but in effect the Bush administration is securing victory for the terrorists by destroying our democracy. I also reminded him that our founding fathers envisioned the need for checks and balances in our system, and that many actions by the Bush administration are making the Congress and our constitution irrelevant.

I received my reply late last week. The first paragraph thanked me for expressing my concerns, yadda yadda. The first sentence of the second paragraph cited 9/11. I just started yelling out loud as I was reading this, "you predictable, spineless jacka***, you have to invoke 9/11 in your first real paragraph!"

Basically, he stated that the fourth amendment has not been violated, and that no laws have been broken, because the Senate's Authorization for Use of Military Force in 2002 allowed the President to take any actions necessary to go after those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Therefore, I guess good old Joe is saying that the President has the right to violate any laws and disregard our constitution, and it's perfectly legal as long as he's saying it's "goin' after the terrarists" in this "long war" that has no end.

I am so irate.

Unfortunately, I've been so busy this week, I haven't had a chance to respond. I'm thinking that at least one of the lines of my reply letter will be to the effect of "So, my understanding is that the Constitution and the laws governing our Democracy are not adequate for this President to follow?"

Trust me, I will respond to him and a LTE to all of my local papers is gonna come out of this. I am thoroughly disgusted with how my Congressman is willing to ignore the laws of our land and not do his sworn duty to uphold our Constitution just because of politics.

/rant off, for the moment
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:03 PM
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47. We need to contact the ACLU
Can illegal physical warrantless searches be added to their lawsuit?

NSA Lawsuit - Stop Illegal Surveillance

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/index.html
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:23 PM
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49. Thanks for posting that. It's hilarious.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:25 PM
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50. George Dubya Bush hates the Consitution
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:28 PM
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51. KICK!!!
:kick:
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:04 PM
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52. How many nails for this administration's coffin!?!?
Still waiting for the final one, this is ridiculous.
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