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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:59 PM
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Britain breaks with the US over Iran
"Britain breaks with the US over Iran

By Patrick Seale

DUBAI: Britain has told the United States that it will not take part in any armed action against Iran’s nuclear sites, according to diplomatic sources in London. Already facing huge public criticism for his participation in the Iraq war, Prime Minister Tony Blair is seeking to distance himself from America’s belligerent rhetoric towards Iran.(...)

Last week, Britain announced it was pulling 800 men out of Iraq one tenth of its force there. This is seen as a signal that Britain is seeking to limit its involvement in America’s wars, rather than take on additional commitments.

Carefully monitoring opinion in Washington, British officials have noted with alarm that the advocates of confrontation with Iran, both inside and outside the administration, have triumphed over the few brave souls who dared argue in favour of dialogue and engagement.

Analysts in London are now convinced that Washington’s real aim is "regime change" in Tehran, an ambition which goes far beyond merely delaying or halting Iran’s nuclear programme."

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2006-daily/18-03-2006/world/w3.htm

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:00 PM
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1. Good.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:43 PM
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37. Yeah, it's about time.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:02 PM
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2. Blair doesn't have the political strength
but they will want to oil!!!
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:47 PM
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13. They saw how much Iraqi oil they got.
Bush isn't smart enough to create another convincing line. They rest of the world is on to him.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:03 AM
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30. I don't think * cares! n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:02 PM
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3. I don't see how Poodle's government could survive being dragged into
another neocon war.
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FogMachine Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:04 PM
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17. I don't think Bush himself will start this one. Israel I'm lookin at you!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:53 PM
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23. I don't know. If Israel does it the whole entire Middle East will go up in
flames, at least I think so. They need us to do the dirty work for them.

After all, this is a neocon wet dream and its a 50/50 split when it comes to what motivates them. The primary motivation is what will benefit Israel and the secondary what will benefit the oil companies and the oil families here in America.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:04 PM
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4. What's this "coalition" gonna look like????
US and....????

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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:05 PM
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6. Do we still have Poland?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:41 PM
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10. I forgot. -nt
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:04 PM
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5. Duh, really?
"(They) are now convinced that Washington’s real aim is 'regime change' in Tehran ..."

Got to get up pretty early in the morning to put one over on these guys, eh?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:05 PM
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7. I await confirmation from other sources/papers, quivering with antici-
pation.

A story of this importance would not be confined to one Pakistani paper for long.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:40 PM
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9. There is a report that Britain wants new talks
Britain favors drawing the United States into new talks with Iran over its nuclear program and may float such a plan Monday at a high-level diplomatic meeting outside the U.N. Security Council, a U.N. diplomat said Saturday.

The diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the strategy was confidential, said the British proposal would have the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- including the United States -- sit at the same table with the Iranians, along with Germany.

The British are planning to float the proposal at a meeting with France, Germany, Russia, China and the United States, the diplomat told The Associated Press.

The five nations would offer Tehran a new but unspecified package of incentives in exchange for a negotiated settlement on Iranian plans for uranium enrichment, which can create both fuel and the fissile core of nuclear warheads, the diplomat said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-UN-Iran.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:07 PM
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8. This is all we need to know:
"Analysts in London are now convinced that Washington's real aim is "regime change" in Tehran, an ambition which goes far beyond merely delaying or halting Iran's nuclear programme."

Well, it will be interesting to see just how big Tony's balls are.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:43 PM
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11. Holy Shit. Britain Was Just Forthcoming And Direct? WTF?
Wow, when did this change happen LOL I mean, they came forward and said it is about regime change instead of WMD's? They actually told a partial truth? (it's more about oil then regime change, but shit, any honesty from them on this is intriguing to me).

Hmmm. If only, 3 years ago, they had been so forthcoming. Motherfuckers.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:45 PM
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12. America's wars
That just sounds so bad. :(
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General Melchett Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:48 PM
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14. No British Military Engagement in Iran?

I would'nt hold my breath...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:39 PM
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20. America, Britain and Australia seem to be the axis of the willing.
I still say war with Iran this month.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:49 PM
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15. Yeah, that whole regime change thing is working well, isn't it?
Go watch V for Vendetta. It's based in England of the future. The back story pretty much blames the US and 'America's Wars' for the situation the world of their time is in. Kind of scary, and it makes enough sense to believe it.
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General Melchett Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:01 PM
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16. Sad But True!
That reminds me of a documentary I watched on the BBC a few nights ago on how there was nearly a facist coup in Britain during Harold Wilson's terms of office. Apparently sections of MI5 colluded with the head of the CIA (worried about the rise of the left in post war Britain...i know, all that scary free healthcare!!!) and worked with parts of the British establishment to overthrow the democratically elected labour goverment. I was shocked! you kind of expect it in S America but not in Blighty!
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:08 PM
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18. Welcome to DU!
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 06:08 PM by Godlesscommieprevert
That documentary you speak of sounds very similar to the premise of "A Very British Coup" which was shown over here on PBS about 10 years ago. Harold Wilson always said that MI5 and the Secret Service were trying to depose him - it sounds like he may very well have been right.
Fuckers can't stand left-wing governments - look what Kissinger and the CIA did to Chile, and look what we tried to do to Chavez a couple of years ago.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:19 PM
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19. These Agencies do not defend "Democracy".
They are designed to protect and uphold Capitalism. It matters not if any Nation is a Tyranical one, as long as it plays ball with Intl. Capitalism.
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General Melchett Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:11 AM
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34. Thankyou
Thank you for your welcome.

That documentary sounds like it...You mean you guys got it first! No Fair!
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:19 AM
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36. "A Very British Coup" was a drama series!
They just nailed the true situation, art imitating life, I suppose! The PM in the series was from Sheffield - a bluff northerner, (it seems) loosely based on Harold Wilson, although the fictional guy was an ex=steelworker, not a college prof like Wilson.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:10 PM
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29. Gawd it's a barren desert out there!
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 11:10 PM by LynnTheDem
Another lover of Black Adder. ;)

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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General Melchett Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:12 AM
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35. Baah!


Thanks for your welcome.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:47 PM
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21. Kick and Nom. This is huge news.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:52 PM
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22. Great news
but didn't Bliar know that regime chagne was the Iraq plan as well.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:53 PM
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24. Unlike here, they don't totally ignore the people
POWER TO THE PEOPLE BABY!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:56 PM
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25. oh, those Brits, always with the cut and run
:)
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:33 PM
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26. This is a rope-a-dope. They'll come in behind Israel just like we will.
Israel will start the war for us claiming "national security." Iran attacks back, and then the US, Britain and a "coalition of the willing" attack Iran.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:53 PM
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27. This comes from a Pakistani news source. It may be accurate, but
I wouls like to see confirmation of the British quotes. I want it to be true, but I wil wait and see.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:07 PM
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28. Yep; illegal "regime change" of an ELECTED government.
That's bush & his MFing cabal, putting the MOCK in democracy since 2000.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:19 AM
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31. this will probably help delay action
another crack in the shell
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:44 AM
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32. They're either with us or against us. Let's kick the UK's ass!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 01:01 AM
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33. tee hee hee
:evilgrin:
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