Hippies and Yippies

[SHRED]

The "Hippie" movement peaked by '67-'68. Real Hippies put their thoughts to action and developed environmentally friendly businesses, homesteads, co-ops, and communes around the USA.
Stephen and Ina Mae Gaskin's "The Farm", in Tennessee comes to mind along with Hugh Romney's (Wavy Gravy) "Hog Farm".
Read "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe for a history lesson about Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters.

Don't confuse the more city/protest orientated "Yippies" with country/nature "Hippies".
The Yippies were along the lines of Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. People typically confuse these "in your face", street theatre type protesters with Hippies.
The mainstream tries to rewrite history all the time so this confusion is understandable.

Remember, Hippies went "back to land" and Yippies fought for political change.

This is a broad generalization but not too far from the truth.

[mdmc]

1. and where did the twain meet

www.pieman.org <-check it out.!

[SHRED]

2. Mark Twain was dead by then

:crazy:

[teach1st]

3. Stephen Gaskin later ran for president...

Stephen Gaskin and many of The Farm folk later developed into social activists.

[SHRED]

4. very good but...

...my point of separation, I think, is valid.
The mainstream NEVER defines the two groups so those who were not alive then never will know the difference...and there was.

[teach1st]

5. Yes, I think in general it's valid...

...althought there was a lot of cross-pollination. I saw the Yippies as as hippie response to the boring politics of the left back then. The Yippies invited the left to drop acid and the flower children to grow thorns. To Yippees, life was politics. To hippies, politics was a game.

[0007]

8. .....and to the Yuppie it was all about greed and becoming a money lord,

with a workaholic mentality.

Hippies, Yippies and Yuppies

[Ufomammut]

6. The Establishment needed to ensure a....

Generally negative, or at least irresponsible and "silly" representation of how people would "remember" the various mass social movements of that era, and has fought on many levels to prevent anything like that happening again. "Hey, FREEDOM ROCK, MAN!...turn it UP, man!"...and there's nothing wrong with that because the cultural trappings and rebellions of that time embodied something real that most pop culture doesn't today ...however, it serves to downplay the substance - spiritual, humanitarian and political - of that era, and sublimate that with the stereotype of the "dirty" hippie, crazed on DOPE! lol

[H2O Man]

7. Good definitions.

Hippies tended to withdraw to create their own society, while Yippies were agents of change within the system. Both were good groups of people. There were, of course, millions of urban hippies. Many went west, and made certain California neighborhoods and parks famous.

Hippies and Yippies got together for a festival in Chicago in 1968.

[liberalpress]

12. .. and then I heard of a small reuinion

on Max Yasgur's property on downstate New York

[H2O Man]

14. There are from time

to time reunions in the little community of Woodstock itself, which as we all know wasn't the site of the concert. But it is a wonderful village.

[Kolesar]

9. The Youth International Party was pretty anarchist, IIRC

Were they not the "Chicago Seven" who were put on trial after the riots at the Dem convention in DC in 1968? I was pretty young then. With "International" as a middle name, they do hint of Marxist revolutionary ideology.

[teach1st]

11. The Chicago Seven...

...was originally the Chicago Eight, and the accused were a symbolic conspiracy of Yippies, SDS, academic leftists, and one Black Panther (who was bound and gagged in court for demanding his own legal defense and subsequently removed from the trial to make it seven).

[H2O Man]

13. Groucho Marxists

and John Lennonists. President Nixon had the intelligence agencies search high and low for international -- and especially communist -- connections. There were none, as the CIA would eventually report to the president. (For more on the spying on youth activists, see David Wise's "The American Police State.

[Kolesar]

15. Thanks for illuminating that...eom

[liberalpress]

10. In fact, if I recall correctly

(and it had been almost forty years with a lot of ..um.. "water" under the bridge) I believe they were members of an ad hoc group called the "Youth International Party" or YIP... thus, yippies

[randr]

16. Not very far indeed

Hippies realized early on that the joy of life was to actually live the life we envisioned. The return to the land by thousands of middle class urban children of America succeeded in benefiting our nation more than the yippie movement or any one else could have ever imagined.
Some of these benefits have been:
The health movement, the back to nature movement, alternative education movement, extreme sports movement, and sustainable housing movement just to name a few ideas spurred by the hippie phenom.
In small communities across America hippies joined with "locals" to transform years of government neglect of education systems. They have created coops to fight the corporate agri/business. The lifestyle of the hippie is now sought after by thousands more people who have become disillusioned by the compromises enforced by urban success. Try to find a reasonable priced piece of land in any of the hippified communities.
I also believe that the emergence of a value oriented political consciousness, such as DU, has been part of this process as people come to realize that our happiness is dependent on our personal responsibility to have all the fun we can have without harming any thing or body.
Additionally I was amused that in a spell check the word yippie defered to yuppie.

[Iris]

17. ok. Where does the "Y" in "Yippy" come from?

And would you say that the old tv shoe thirtysomething was about yippies?

[no_hypocrisy]

19. "Yippie" stood for "Youth International Party" followers.

No, ThirtySomething was NOT about Yippies. I'm not sure they even elevated to Hippies. Some of the characters did carry some principles inherent the the l'air du temps, but not consistently as they aged.

[Iris]

20. Thanks for the definition!

Yeah - I see your points about the characters in the tv show. Actually, Gary, would have been the one who remained true to the principles - but he didn't make it to 40.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

18. I met Stephen and stayed at "The Farm" for a while...

The Yippies did take a more "in your face" attitude and IMHO, did more damage than good.

[Blue_In_AK]

26. I remember hearing Stephen Gaskin

speak at the old Family Dog in San Francisco. He had a lot of charisma. And while I never met Ina May, all three of my daughters were delivered by hippie midwives at home, so indirectly I benefited from her vision.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

21. The Farm is interesting in another context.

Ina May Gaskin was also a lay midwife and kept extensive records. Much of her work lead to a greater acceptance of Homebirth and it's safety (for healthy women with competent caregivers). Practices we see today in birthing, decrease in episiotomy, increase in birthing centers, etc. are thanks, in part, to the work of people such as Ina May. Not that it's "perfect" per say, but better than it was 35 years ago.

[Toots]

22. I remember the yuppies but never heard of yippies.

Hippies are still among us and their beliefs are timelesss. If only the acid was as powerful today as it was in the sixties.....More people might experience the true nature of the planet. :shrug:

[H2O Man]

23. Never heard of yippies?

Must have missed the '68 democratic convention, Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, etc.

[Toots]

24. I just don't recall that moniker

I remember the police abuse and the Chicago eight/seven trial but the term yippie doesn't register. Funny how that works sometimes. Maybe it was the acid :silly:

[H2O Man]

28. But my memory is ....

er, well, it was Abbie's wife that came up with Youth International Party. Dana B used to continue to publish the paper "Overthrow/Yipster Times" for many years.

[SHRED]

25. Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_International_Party

[mdmc]

27. always considered both part of a larger counter culture

:kick: