We Are All Zarqawi Now

[Rose Siding]

So says our wacky SecDef, that insane yet curiously still employed scamp of brutality, Donald Rumsfeld:

Some have described the situation in Iraq as a tightening noose, noting that "time is not on our side"and that "morale is down." Others have described a "very dangerous" turn of events and are "extremely concerned."

Who are they that have expressed these concerns? In fact, these are the exact words of terrorists discussing Iraq -- Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his associates -- who are describing their own situation and must be watching with fear the progress that Iraq has made over the past three years.

Time is not on our side...
''I voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 . . . because he seemed like the lesser of two evils as I saw it at the time," Connett said. ''How could anyone know he was going to do what he's done? He's not settled anything in Iraq and we're getting no clue as to what the outcome is going to be."

Very dangerous...
''It's chaos," said Roger Madaras, who voted twice for Bush. ''How many more people are going to be killed? We were going in to free the people of Iraq, but as far as I'm concerned, a lot of them are worse off today than they were under the dictatorship."

Extremely concerned...
''Truly, everyone out here wants the Iraq mission to succeed," Donnelly {D}said. ''But everyone is becoming more concerned and uncomfortable. What we need are Congress people who will ask President Bush tough questions, not be rubber stamps."

Is that tasty propaganda in one of this morning's nationals? You bet!
Does he think we're all so stupid? Cheese and crackers, yes!
He only knows which unknown he knows when we catch him knowing it.

[tatertop]

1. "1984" once again

[Jack Rabbit]

2. More like 1967 or 1971

I was around in the Vietnam era. The right wing and other supporters of the war (including members of the Johnson Administration and even many Congressional Democrats) attempted to paint anti-war demostrators as working hand-in-hand with Communist guerrillas.

It should surprise no one that the Bushies, who are genuine fascists to begin with, employ this kind of rhetoric.

[tatertop]

4. I was referring to the book, of course

Anyway, I was around in the Viet Nam era, as well.
I think things are much much much worse now.
We have no opposition party.
I am nearing the point I see no hope.

[Jack Rabbit]

5. Please remeber that the political opposition was slow in coming

Senator McCarthy took up the anti-war cause in November 1967, saying that it was time to bring the debate in from the streets to the political arena. Once it was shown how unpopular the war really was, more of our so-called leaders began following the people.

That seems to be what is happening now. Feingold, like McCarthy, may never be president, but he is the Gene McCarthy of this war.

I would also say that the main difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that Vietnam appears to me to have been a more honest mistake. If one were to ask Rostow or Bundy or any of the other cold war liberals who advised LBJ to escalate the war, what they thought they were doing they would say that they thought they were containing Communism. That would be an honest answer. If one were to ask Rumsfled or Wolfowitz or any of the neoconservative intellectuals around Bush what they thought they were doing invading Iraq, they would say that they were fighting terrorism. That's horsepucky. They had seen the intelligence that cast doubt on the existence of Saddam's weapons arsenal, yet continued to tell us exactly what was in it and how much and make these statements as established facts rather than unfounded presumptions. Doug Feith was busy in the OSP editing intellignece reports to make them say unabiguously what they were actually saying ambiguously. Also, they knew that Saddam had no use for terrorists like Zarqawi, yet continued then and still continue now to say otherwise. They were lying and they are still lying. This war was waged for something that had nothing to do with national security; Bush and his aides were well aware of it.

[tatertop]

6. Unlike Viet Nam, no opposition will be allowed

Bush went into this invasion with a very specific agenda.
Although based on lies, the invasion was in no way a 'mistake'
in terms of achieving his goals.

It is not about Democracy or the welfare of
Iraqis or WMD. It is not about the safety of the US.
It is not about this fictional thing called fighting terrorism
that they fly in front of the face of dumbmerica day and night.

It's about petro dollars; it's about
gouging the treasury while eliminating the social net;
it's about criminal cronyism
the likes of which the world has never seen; it's
about supporting the creation of 'greater' israel
at the expense of humanity and world law; it's about
creating absolute chaos in the Middle East so that
christ will come quickly; it's about building and maintaining
permanent bases to facilitate more wars; it's about
eliminating ALL rights of US citizens; it's
all about creating and forcing the will of evil upon the world.

We will march and we will march. We will vote and our votes will be stolen. The Democrats will continue to support bush and his wars, just like now.
And very few will speak out against him, just like now.
Public opinion will be supressed and opressed... hard.
And there will be more wars.

[Jack Rabbit]

7. So what do you propose?

I just suggested on another thread that Senators opposing censure of Bush need to come up with an alternative. There is simply no getting around that he must be stopped. That is the business of the people and their representatives together.

You and I are agreed that this war is about something other than what was said. You and I are agreed that Bush claims the authority to disregard the Bill of Rights in the name of national security. You and I are agreed that this is out and out tyranny.

So what is to be done?

[tatertop]

8. The people still have power, the power of numbers

1. We have the power of numbers and must find
legal ways to start using it.
We must focus our very considerable buying power to promote
companies that champion the cause of Democracy.
Doing so must become a religion.

Email does nothing.
Marching in the street has had no effect that I can see.
We need to set out goals that real people can achieve.

2. We must organize, organize, organize.
People must start meeting in person.
If they find a way to make the Internet dangerous for truth tellers,
most of these people we are talking to on sites such as this would
be lost to us. I attend and organize meet-ups whenever I can.
You need real people to make a difference.

3. Our number one goal has got to be to absolutely
make sure every vote is counted. We must insist on paper ballots
and a bipartisan tally team at every polling place. No exceptions.

The power of the people is still our best weapon.
We must use it while we still can.

[bigtree]

3. they are the weakest propagandists ever

the stuff they put out is amazingly dumb. Only the republican's core base is stupid enough to fall in line with this tripe.