Sheesh! Look what I found on my local newspaper's message board!

[Peanutcat]

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of
America, the great Satan.

Domestically, no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam--intolerance (Quran, 2:256)

Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.

Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually, no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER
referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....I feel we must be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They cannot be good muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth.
~~~~~~~~~~

What a load of crap!

[Mythsaje]

Self Delete--Dupe.

[Mythsaje]

1. Heck, if you pay any attention to the OT

the same can be said for any of the religions spawned in that region of the world.

[niyad]

2. wouldn't it be interesting to ask the same question about the fundie

xians? I haven't the patience nor the complete knowledge that I know many on these boards possess, but I would love it if someone could do the same, ppoint by point.

[OnionPatch]

5. Good idea, they share many

characteristics.

[NanceGreggs]

13. See Post No. 11 ...

Your wish is my command!

[sinkingfeeling]

21. Christian Reconstructionism, also known as Dominion Theology

calls democracy a tool of Satan.

[IndyOp]

3. If you wanted help putting together a strong reply you might contact

DU's PsychoDad - he posts in the DU Islam forum.

This is offensive in so many ways...

:(

[MADem]

4. The MOON GOD of ARABIA????

What a fucking DUNCE!!! There is not a single accurate assertion in that pile of tripe!

Notify the paper that they've got some serious hate speech on their website...the totally wrong 'righteous' author of that tripe will be chagrined if they pull it!

[LeftyMom]

7. The moon god thing comes from Jack Chick.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp (Warning: like all Chick stuff this is stupid and offensive.)

[MADem]

10. Honestly, that kind of hatred, coupled with such abject stupidity,

would be laughable if so many nitwits didn't actually believe it!!!!!

It is a rather skin-crawling effort, that Chickshit!!!

[LeftyMom]

12. He's just so full of Christian love

I'm sure Jesus is very proud. :sarcasm:

[toddaa]

6. With some careful editing, only atheists can be good Americans

Which is true.

[Nostradammit]

8. That is patently false

Was Thomas Jefferson an atheist?

[toddaa]

14. You edit it your way

I'll edit it my way.

In the words of the great Foghorn Leghorn, "That's a joke, son."

[Nostradammit]

18. Well, I say I say boy -

It's still not true.


:)

[ArbustoBuster]

23. Yes and no.

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Source: http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

[Nostradammit]

35. How about just no -

"He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be."

[ArbustoBuster]

50. You don't quite understand

Jefferson ripped "superstition" out of the Bible to make his own which cast Jesus as just a philosopher. He was vehemently against religion in government. A modern Christian would consider him an atheist, but then many modern Christians would consider other Christians atheists, too.

This kind of dichotomy is more common than many people think. Especially back in the Age of Reason, an age whose spirit I truly hope returns very soon and sweeps the theocrats permanently out of power.

[Nostradammit]

52. So I'm no longer a dolt?

I am a modern Christian and I do not consider Jefferson to be an atheist.

I am well aware of the "Jefferson Bible" and wish it were sitting in the night stand of every hotel in America.

It seemed from your choice of the first quote, "Question even the existence of God," that that could somehow be construed as proof that Jefferson was an atheist. From the subject header "Yes and No" I thought you were trying to suggest that he just might have been an atheist. Which he was not.

Upon which we seem to agree.

Peace ~

[globalvillage]

9. Well, that sucks.

My friend, a US Air Force pilot who served in the Middle East and who is a Muslim is going to be really disappointed to know he's not a good American. I think he figured since he was born and raised in the US, has lived here all his life, and is serving his country honorably in the military that he's more than qualified.

Oh, well.

:shrug:

[Imagevision]

53. Mohummad Alli is a muslem

[NanceGreggs]

11. Based on that premise ...

CAN A RIGHT-WING FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN BE GOOD A AMERICAN?

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to a God who 'selected' a President that goes against Christ's teachings on a daily basis.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to a Bible that encourages the stoning of neighbours who work on Sundays.

Geographically, no. Because his religion admonishes him to fight against the rights of others that he disagrees with, whether they are protected by the Constitution or not.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to the Old Testament forbids him to make friends with homosexuals, and he never really knows who they might be.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to spiritual leaders like Falwell and Robertson, who teach the annihilation of cities where the great Satan has a stranglehold, like New Orleans, as well as the assassination of democratically-elected foreign leaders.

Domestically, no. Because he is instructed to beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Old Testament).

Religiously, no. Because NO other religion is accepted by their Jesus as the way to eternal life.

Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Democratic principles, and he believes democratic ideas like the separation of church and state to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no. Because Fundamentalist Christians abhor the rights of others to express their religious beliefs in any way other than their own.

Democracy and Fundamental Christianity cannot co-exist. That is why they are supporters of the Bush Regime, which is quickly becoming dictatorial and autocratic.

Spiritually, no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is vengeful and cruel towards gays, Liberals, and Democrats.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....I feel we must be very suspicious of ALL FUNDIES in this country. They cannot be good CHRISTIANS and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth.

[hobbit709]

15. If you look at the 3 religions

that have come out of the Middle East. All 3 of them have one thing in common- they are full of intolerance to anything different than their beliefs. Must have been the desert heat causing hallucinations in the minds of itinerant sheep-herders.

[walldude]

19. Great response! Alwaya love it when these hacks get

the tables turned on them.

[niyad]

22. THANK YOU so very, very much. I am going to go annoy my trolls with

this, since they have hissy fits whenever I point out their hypocricy and hatred.

[NanceGreggs]

27. You're welcome!

I love the sound of hypocrisy-filled heads exploding when confronted with their own idiocy!

[theHandpuppet]

34. Great response!

Too bad so few of the really cogent rebuttals to the purveyors of hate ever get printed in the papers.

[sakabatou]

36. Awesome!

[kestrel91316]

37. Very good. Thank you.

[flygal]

49. Oooh - love it!

thank you!

[morgan2]

16. The pont makes sense

but should be expanded, can someone who believes in religion also believe in democracy? Religion is inherently illogical, and relying on faith in books and other men not evidence or rational thought to make decisions. Organized religion imparticuarly sets men up as the arbitrators of what god wants, and can dictate what is part of the religion and what is not. How can someone who puts his faith in a book or another man's edicts ever believe in democracy? A democracy requires independant thought, based upon facts not feelings. A democracy based upon feeling is nothing but a mob, influenced by the whims of the ruling class.

[theHandpuppet]

17. Here was my response to a similar LTTE in the Cincy Enquirer

(It was never printed.)

You know, it's a good thing that not all people of faith are so busy
preaching hate.

Take my neighbor, for instance. (For ths sake of protecting his
privacy, I'll just call him Mr. Smith.) He's a man of deep faith. He,
his wife and two small children live on an income of just over $14,000
per year.

Yes, Mr. Smith is a working man and a Vietnam vet. He's on his feet all
day, working hard to put food on the table, even though the spinal
arthitis that has left his body stiffened makes each day an exercise in
living through pain.

To help make ends meet, he wanted to start a hauling business,
collecting others' throwaways and junk, something his two young sons
(who just started 7th grade) could help with in order to earn a little
spending money. To help him start out, I sold him my pickup truck for
one dollar and felt privileged to do it.

Mr. Smith and his family spend their spare time volunteering in their
community. They help out at the local food bank, the Salvation Army,
the PTA. Each summer they host a neighborhood block party, cooking
donated hamburgers and hot dogs for the neighborhood children (many of
whom cannot afford anything resembling a trip to an amusement park) and
to raise money for charities. Over the past few years these recipient
charities have included the Boys and Girls Club, The Salvation Army,
Loaves and Fishes (a local food bank), plus money to fight Childhood
Diabetes, among many other worthy causes.

Mr. and Mrs. Smith's door is always open to children from the
neighborhood, and Mrs. Smith is the neighborhood "mom". Her porch is
always filled with children of all colors and faiths, and rarely have I
seen her dinner table set without an extra place for one or two young
and hungry guests.

Oh, and only one of their sons is their biological child. Their other
son was adopted from a friend who died of cancer when her baby was
small. The boy still takes medication for a health problem he had at
birth.

When Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast this family wanted to help
but could offer little but prayer. Yesterday, when talking to Mrs.
Smith, she intimated that after they had paid their monthly bills a
couple of days ago, they had ten dollars left over. They gave all ten
to hurricane relief.

Yes, Rev. Parsley, this is a family of faith in action. This is an
American family.

You say, quoting from your best-selling book, Silent No More, "I will
rail against the idea that the God of Christianity and the god of Islam
are the same being.''

Maybe you're right, Mr. Parsley. For you see, Mr. Smith, that neighbor
of mine, he is a Muslim. A black man and Muslim in America who
considers this lesbian and her partner as part of his own family.

Go ahead and tell me their God is not your God. Preach some more hate.
If there truly is a God, I know who's got His ear -- and His heart.

This is a true story.

[NanceGreggs]

24. Thanks a million times over for sharing this with all of us.

These people are what AMERICA is all about - or should be.

[Tsiyu]

25. Very beautiful

Sorry it wasn't printed

[niyad]

30. how beautiful--thank you so much for sharing this with us.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

31. That's beautiful

Did they give you a reason why the letter wasn't printed?

[theHandpuppet]

32. No, they didn't

I got an email from the dept which handles the LTTEs to verify my name and addy; I aswered it and waited to see if my letter got printed. Never saw it and didn't get an explanation as to why it wasn't printed.

[kestrel91316]

38. It doesn't jive with their worldview. That's why it wasn't printed.

[theHandpuppet]

40. You know what gets me?

The Cincinnati Enquirer is constantly giving coverage to the spewings of this Reverend Parsley, to whom I was responding. Rev Parsley is a leader in the Ohio Restoration Project and a buddy of Ken Blackwell. Do a Google search for "Cincinnati Enquirer" and "Reverend Parsley" and you'll find so many links you won't be able to count them all. So the Enquirer is all for printing the Reverend's poison, lies and hatred but it would seem differing opinions are not allowed.

[Obamanaut]

33. You say it wasn't printed. Well, it should have been. nt

[NanceGreggs]

43. Might I suggest that you post this as its own thread?

It's a beautifully written piece, and the message it sends is an important one. I think more people should have an opportunity to read it.

Please?

[theHandpuppet]

45. Thanks -- I have posted it as its own thread.

I'm very moved by the response my LTTE has gotten and was very discouraged when the Enquirer didn't see fit to print it.

[NanceGreggs]

47. Apparently the DU audience recognizes a well-crafted LTTE ...

... while the Enquirer (and so many other papers) don't.

I am really happy you have a chance to share it with those of us here, who appreciate its message, as well as its poetry.

[Cleita]

20. Recycled bigotry. Those points were used back fifty years

ago about Roman Catholics.

[long_green]

28. I didn't read your post before I posted my first entry here

Excellent pickup. The more things change...

[allalone]

46. didn't see yours either b4 mine

I'm starting to think that the neocons started their move too soon. There are too many who still remember WW2, Kennedy years, Vietnam. Maybe they moved too soon cuz so many are so sickly and they were afraid they would miss it. I mean guys like cheney.

[long_green]

26. great point about geography...

so much for Roman Catholics.

[MODemocrat]

29. That's similar to an e-mail I received from a republican friend

It was such poppycock, I deleted it; told my friend not to send me anymore junk like that. So far, he hasn't sent anything similar since.

[dddem]

39. that jerk can call it truth

I call it bigotry.

[me b zola]

41. Could you provide a link to your newspaper's message board?

At the very least let us know which paper it is. TIA

[Peanutcat]

48. Here ya go!

http://www.dailyregister.com/

[Garbo 2004]

42. Reminds me of the "reasons" some gave why a Catholic should not be

elected President when Jack Kennedy was running. Their "allegiance" is to the Pope, dontcha know. :eyes:

As to the Constitution being based on "biblical principles," that's a hoot to anyone who really knows the Bible, American history, and the Constitution, where contrary to Karen Hughes that great constitutional scholar (LOL), the word "God" never appears.

[allalone]

44. some of these things sound familiar

A similar list was going around to explain why JFK could not be the president because he was CATHOLIC. Guess you only have to change a few of the words every once in a while. a good all purpose attack eh?

[hopeisaplace]

51. and Timothy McVeigh was what nationality??? With this rationale

every person on earth, for some reason or another, due to our ancestry or ethnicity
should be, could be, must be, ummmm, I dunno, ...dead, in prison, never trusted.

:sarcasm:

Thanks for the article. You know I think most clear thinking people "don't think this
way"..at least I'm hoping that's the case.

[Mz Pip]

54. SO we're

supposed to turn our ports over to these people or we just might be considered racist. :eyes:

These people are nuts and racist as well.

Mz Pip
:dem: