I said this before: It's all about the water resources.

[cantstandbush]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6BC1C632-98D6-4ED5-8938-6BC70D079D30.htm

Isareli water grab harms Palestinians. It has been and is all about the control of water and farmland. That's why so many Palestinian olive groves, farm land, homes have been bulldozzed by Israelis and that's why under Clinton there was the "Swiss cheese" map for carving out Palestinian territories. The water used to be shared, now it will never be. Water is like oil in the ME. It never has been about religion as the American funddies believe in their warpped minds.

[malaise]

1. and the Tigris and Euphrates are part

of that grab. It has alwaays been about oil and water. Religion is merely the vinegar in this mix.

[H2O Man]

2. Sure.

We will be having more wide-spread "water rights" conflicts in the US in the next few years. It will go beyond the current questions in the southwest, concerning Indians, ranchers, and some businesses.

It is interesting to note that in Ireland, the conflict between the two groups has less of a religious foundation, that it is an issue of control of resources. Included, of course, is the control of a port -- which is a "water rights" issue, indeed.

[JNelson6563]

6. Yes, it's happening in MI and other Great Lake states

Corporate entities trying to buy up the Great Lakes and Rethuglicans are enabling them as much as possible. Sickening.

Julie

[Minnesota Libra]

7. Exactly - water and resources is the basis of it all world wide, the......

.....neocons see resources dwindling and they are grabbing while the grabbing is good.:grr:

[H2O Man]

9. In 1798

an Iroquois man named Handsome Lake had a vision, in which among other things, he saw a day when the earth's water would become filthy and heat up, threatening the lives of many, and the quality of life for all. (He also told of the sun creating an illness, which many believe is skin cancer; and of trees beginning to die from the top down, which is now known to be the result of acid rain. He spoke of crop failure and other environmental crises.) A lot of his teachings were part of the foundation for the Iroquois Confederacies' 1977 presentation to the United Nations in Geneva. Three decades later, their "Basic Call to Consciousness" should be required reading for people interested in the environment.

[Minnesota Libra]

12. Hey thanks for that info- I will do a google search and read.......

.....up on this.:toast:

[malaise]

16. Thanks for this H2O Man n/t

[Ufomammut]

10. Religion is also the "spine"

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. As weather patterns change worldwide

and we have major droughts in areas where there was once abundant rain, the question of water will become even more critical.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. and population overloads. India

is going to have a big problem in the next few years. They only have 5% of the world's water and 20% of the world's population.

Water crisis looms in India as drilling depletes resources
http://www.etaiwannews.com/showPage.php?setupFile=showcontent.xml&menu_item_id=11&did=d_1142818976_28239_5FC94DF85ADAF28E55BE3DA6A65F3E6764425D5F_29&area=taiwan&area_code=00000

[malaise]

17. In the small Caribbean islands

water is secured for the tourists and cruise ships rather than the citizens. Chaos over water is coming. Meanwhile Transnational companies are bottling water out of several parts of our region.

[malaise]

18. dupe

[cantstandbush]

4. Remember the old cowboy movies about fights for "water rights?"

Ain't nothing changed. There is nothing new under the sun.

[izzie]

5. Yes it has always been about water. Arabs had it.

Our water wars are going to out do the oil wars believe me.

[soothsayer]

8. Oil and water. They really don't mix!

[Mnemosyne]

11. Moon has been buying major aquifers, worry. n/t

[Minnesota Libra]

13. Are you referring to "Moon" as in Rev Moon?? Please tell more nt

[Mnemosyne]

20. Here is what I could find since I hadn't bookmarked the info.

Moon's land may sit next to not over the aquifer, accounts vary it seems. I can't find the original story I read which mentioned another aquifer as I recall, but here are several that mention the aquifer/land buys in South America by Moon.

Good site with various Moon/Bush/Congressional ties info.
http://iapprovethismessiah.com/

8/15/2005
Moon clashes with Paraguay
From a pay-only story in The Economist:

snip>
Wire sources report that the Paraguayan government is seizing some of Moon's holdings after accusing the church of unchecked authority over the locals and ties to the drug trade. Twice the size of Luxembourg, Moon's land sits next to the Guarani Aquifer, a huge fresh water reserve that South Americans are accusing the Bush Administration of trying to control.
snip>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/heavenly-deception.html

snip>
Allegations of Moon's relationship to the South American drug trade don't stop with the fall of Klaus Barbie's neo-fascist narco-state. Since 1999, Moon has acquired 600,000 hectares of arid land in Paraguay's northern state of Chaco, bordering Brazil, directly above the world's largest aquifer. Senator Domingo Laino claims that Moon intends to control his nation's narcotics trafficking, as well as the "largest fresh drinking water source in the world."
snip>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Another link about the land purchase with no mention of the aquifer:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=387162002


The ties between Moon and the US administration (think Bush 41 in a major way also) are strong and deep. Check out the coronation video link at the one site.

If I run across the other link I can reply later if you are interested, just pm me so I have a reminder. No promises, but sometimes things just show up when I'm thinking about them.

Hope the info helps a little anyway.

[jmowreader]

14. Oil is more recent. Water has always been fought over.

Said Mark Twain, "whiskey's for drinking, water's for fighting over."

No matter where you are.

The Wild-West wars between sheep interests and cattle interests were all water wars.

The infamous chemical battle at Halabja that Bush used as a casus belli to invade Iraq? It was about water too.

In the Middle East religion is a side issue in the water dispute: my Allah says your Allah doesn't deserve any of our water.

[politicat]

19. Most of Haiti's problems are water related.

They're on the leeward side of the island, meaning they get less rain, making them more dependent on water-holding. The multinationals that own the sugar plantations in the lowlands, however, managed to buffalo the Duvaliers into letting them build reservoirs that took all of that water, leaving some villages destroyed under the new lakes and others without water. Since the natural waterways have been dammed and the valleys flooded, people are forced onto the hillsides to farm, leading to erosion and lower production.

Contaminated water leads to cholera, diarrhea, and a host of other microbial infections that kill children and adults alike.

Because crops are water dependent, a lot of Haitians have less than adequate food supplies, making TB more likely to crop up (TB is opportunistic, and while TB can remain dormant for many years after initial infection, a famine or other illness makes TB more likely to flare up.) Several of the strains on the island are multi-drug resistant (which is not related necessarily to water, but is the only thing that isn't.)

Without water, one can't make concrete, and concrete floors are one of the #1 predictors whether a child will survive to age five. (Children who live in dirt-floored houses are more likely to die.) Without concrete for piers, the timbers required for a metal-roof are harder to stabilize, leading to more thatching, which means more leaks, more lice, more rats, and more disease.

Water is going to be what we fight over, and we're going to do it with rocks and spears made of bone within a few decades.