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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:44 PM
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We should be totally ashamed of ourselves ! Anti War Protest Apathy
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3618103

Anti-war protesters in SLC, elsewhere lament apathy
Staff and combined news service

By the time the war protesters began their march Saturday morning in Salt Lake City, only about 50 people had gathered. Their numbers had swelled to about 200 by noon - and that was with a little high-tech help from a marcher who text-messaged friends to join him.

The early low turnout was discouraging to some, such as Susan Westergard of Holladay.
"There's just about more policemen here than people," said the Democratic candidate for the Utah House of Representatives in District 40, nodding to the squadron of eight motorcycle officers parked alongside 400 South. "I guess the longer the war goes on, the more people accept it."

The protesters, organized by the People for Peace and Justice of Utah, marched from Pioneer Park to a rally on the steps of the City-County Building, where they listened to songs, speeches and chants condemning the war.

It was a scene repeated across the United States and the world Saturday as thousands of demonstrators took to the streets to mark today's

The protests, like those held to mark each of the two previous anniversaries of the March 2003 invasion, were vigorous and peaceful but far smaller than the large-scale marches that preceded the war, despite polls showing lower public support for the war than in years past and anemic approval ratings for President Bush, himself a focus of many of the protesters.

In Times Square, about 1,000 anti-war protesters rallied outside a military recruiting station, demanding that troops be withdrawn from Iraq.

Police in London said 15,000 people joined a march from Parliament and Big Ben to a rally in Trafalgar Square. The anniversary last year attracted 45,000 protesters in the city.

In Turkey, where opposition to the war cuts across all political stripes, about 3,000 protesters gathered in Istanbul, police said. ''Murderer USA,'' read a sign in Taksim Square.

One of the biggest protests was in San Francisco, for decades
a hub of anti-war sentiment. Police there estimated the crowd gathered outside City Hall at about 6,000 people. Many chanted slogans opposing Bush, and most appeared to hail from a distinctly grayer demographic than that of other protest events. ''There are not enough young people here,'' said Paul Perchonock, 61, a physician. ''They don't see themselves as having a stake.''

In his weekly radio broadcast, Bush defended the administration's record in Iraq, saying the decision to depose the regime of Saddam Hussein was ''a difficult decision - and it was the right decision.'' He pledged to ''finish the mission'' despite calls for withdrawal.

In Washington, a relatively small crowd of about 300 gathered at the Naval Observatory, where Vice President Dick Cheney lives, and marched to Dupont Circle. Debbie Boch, 52, a restaurant manager from Denver, said she and two friends bought plane tickets to Washington two months ago, before the demonstration had been planned. It was the fifth protest march she had attended since the war began, she said, and among the smallest.

''It's very disappointing, especially in Washington, D.C.,'' she said. ''You think this is the place where people come to make things happen. I'm just not sure why there aren't more people here today.''

At the Salt Lake City march and rally, protesters read and commented on each other's signs, like the large image of Bush carried by Gail Davis. Under the slogan "War dead on your head," the president's face was created out of a mosaic of photographs of dead U.S. soldiers.

Davis said she joins a peace vigil every Thursday night at the Bennett Federal Building at 125 S. State St. "We're not getting too many death threats anymore," said Davis, who works at as a manager at a law office. "Nobody's tried to run over us or anything for a while."

Darian Richards, 9, marched from Pioneer Park with a sign that read: "Bring my dad home." Richard Evans' said "Welcome to 1984," a reference to George Orwell's book. Others drew upon the messages of an earlier generation of activists: "I have a dream," one sign announced over a picture of jail bars printed over the faces of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Jacob Floyd, a 22-year-old Brigham Young University student, said he was thinking of the future when he decided to attend.

"I came today because I want to tell my kids I did everything I could to stand up for what's wrong in our country right now," he said.

Floyd announced his politics on his chest, thanks to a homemade white T-shirt with the headline "They lied" over the faces of administration officials, including Bush and Cheney, and the words "They died" over a list of names of dead U.S. soldiers.

Throughout the morning, a group of eight women dressed in pink-and-black outfits occasionally broke out in chants. "Resist, resist, raise up your fist," shouted Raphael Cordray of Salt Lake, one of the "Pom Poms Not Bomb Bombs" cheerleaders. "Show 'em that you're pissed. Resist, resist, fight the capitalists."

Cordray said the group of friends, who range in age from 22 to 55, were inspired by radical cheerleading groups in other states, and used chants as a way to express their political views in a lighthearted way. ''Some of the cheers we tone down for Salt Lake City,'' she said.
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Tribune staff writer Ellen Fagg, The Associated Press and The New York Times contributed to this report.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:50 PM
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1. Well, from the perspective of living in Washington D.C....
Most folks I know feel like they can pick and choose among the events they want to participate in because D.C. is a natural environment for protesting and draws several events a year. Of course this allows mean that attendance tends to get spread out among those events.

I think for most folks around here who aren't predisposed to attending protests, they just see it as another protest, and nothing new.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:53 PM
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2. What point do they serve?
politicians don't seem to be moved by them or petitions and the media doesn't cover the anti-war movement. The grinding prolonged failure of Iraq spreads its own unspoken truth without the need for organized advertising.

The only valid protest against war is voting for candidates that believe in peace and not war. Here is to Joe Lieberman's defeat in 2006.
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:58 PM
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5. Exactly.
It's not apathy. In the US, at least, it's a reasoned and correct determination that at this stage it's pointless to have another round of marching around chanting "hey hey ho ho." What is pointful is the election of November 2006. The left is entirely too attached to the idea that symbolic gestures are the same as action. "Resist resist raise your fist?" No, dears. Raising your fist isn't "resistance." It's a nice stretching exercise.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:55 PM
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3. Why should I be ashamed? I marched in Los Angeles on saturday
I carried one of the 100 flag draped "coffins".
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:56 PM
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4. Why participate when it does no good. . . .
"The protests, like those held to mark each of the two previous anniversaries of the March 2003 invasion, were vigorous and peaceful but far smaller than the large-scale marches that preceded the war, despite polls showing lower public support for the war than in years past and anemic approval ratings for President Bush, himself a focus of many of the protesters."

I think this part of the article says it all. WE DID PROTEST before we got in this quagmire, but we were ignored by everyone who could've made a difference. PLUS we have been emailing and signing petitions and showing our support/lack of support for sooooo many issues, but unless the right wing complain (ie Dubai and that woman recommended for the Supreme Court, Myers); everything goes on as usual. So what is the point! First we have to get REAL elections not the fraud that goes on now and THEN we have to get the RW out of control with REAL Democrats, not the ones like those that are dissing censure. Otherwise protests are just a bunch of frustrated folks pushing against a mountain of crap.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:13 PM
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7. The point is, you do what you can
if it's the right thing to do, regardless of immediate results or instant gratification,
and your presence out there just might be influencing someone to get out with you next time.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:50 PM
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8. I'm not seeing INSTANT or other gratification. Just more pooh.
Now show me a MY VOTE NEEDS TO COUNT rally and I'll be there with bells on.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:55 PM
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9. Exactly. And depending on the repuke makeup of your area it sends a
message that you will not be silenced, you will show up even though they try to stifle dissent and shut you up.
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:12 PM
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6. We are getting tired of not being counted, or heard. But
we keep on protesting. I believe we must keep on protesting. We had 92 show for our rally here in Ft. Wayne on the Courthouse Green. They tried to take away our right to rally there once, but there were individuals brave enough to stand up to city council and our rights are now stronger than ever. Sure, we had 300 at a big rally before the war, when we were sure we could stop it. It seems that our hope is dying, that too many are putting their trust in the very system of government that got us into the war in the first place. Politicians who get into office thru sweetheart deals with donors and political party leadership councils owe their allegiance to who put them in power, not to the voters.

Protesting is a kind of voting.

Stand up and be heard,

Stand up and be counted.

Vote early, vote often.

Take it to the streets!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 07:00 PM
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10. Laura PackYourBags please read
In the future limit your snips to 4
paragraphs as per the Democratic
Underground copyright rules .

proud patriot Moderator
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 07:04 PM
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11. As someone who was in DC Last year.
I just want to say that I think protests are over rated. We didn't get very much coverage at the time at all. The News networks were all RITA all the time. This time aroudn they didn't even have a hurricane to excuse the oversight.

Let's face it. Protests are only going to get coverage if there is violence. The mainstream media just doesn't care about direct action now.

I think that the left needs to think outside the box when it comes to direct action. Marching with permits just isn't cutting it anymore.

And I think it's counterproductive to beat up people because of poor turn out.
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