BUSH REFUSED TO LISTEN TO LOCAL FBI WARNINGS-Could Have Stopped 9/11

[kpete]

FBI agent: Bush's FBI and Justice Dept refused to take Moussaoui seriously pre-9/11
by John in DC - 3/20/2006 07:33:00 PM


This is possibly the biggest untold, or at least not yet fully tapped, story in Washington. The Bush administration had one of the September 11 terrorists in their hands, before September 11, and refused to listen to local FBI agents' warnings that this guy was planning something big.

In the four weeks leading up to September 11, the Bush administration refused to listen to their own agents' warnings that Moussaoui was up to something big.

Bush could have stopped September 11 with this information, yet his administration simply let it go, and 3,000 Americans died.

Bush likes to cite September 11. Fine, lets cite September 11.

He had the power to stop it, and didn't. He had one of the hijackers in his custody, and ignored him.

Imagine what the response would be from the mainstream media and from the Republicans had Bill Clinton done nothing while possessing the key to an imminent attack that would take down the World Trade Center and kill 3,000 Americans?

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/03/fbi-agent-bushs-fbi-and-justice-dept.html

(edit to add)
FBI Agent Slams Bosses at Moussaoui Trial
By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN,
Associated Press Writer

ALEXANDRIA, Va. -
The FBI agent who arrested Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 testified Monday he spent almost four weeks trying to warn U.S. officials about the radical Islamic student pilot but "criminal negligence" by superiors in Washington thwarted a chance to stop the 9/11 attacks.

more at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060320/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui

[xultar]

1. Where are all these brain surgeons coming from. DUH!

[file83]

10. Next thing you know, it'll be hip in the GD to discuss MIHOP theory....

And they'll claim "Breaking News!" :shrug:

[goforit]

16. LOL!!! ............. neandrethal's denials!

[seemslikeadream]

2. so true

can we talk about 9/11 in GD now? :shrug:

I wonder why he would do that

[Octafish]

66. Criminally negligent, at best. A traitor, most likely.

Look at all the folks who warned the FBI (courtesy of Minstrel Boy):

The 9/11 whistleblowers-get-screwed data dump

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1293947

Catchy title, eh?

[seemslikeadream]

74. It sounds like whisper

Don't you know
They're talkin' about a revolution
It sounds like whisper
Don't you know
They're talkin' about a revolution
It sounds like whisper

While they're standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion

Poor people gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people gonna rise up
And take what's theirs

Don't you know
You better run...
Oh I said you better
Run
run
run...

[Octafish]

84. Hey! Where's the Tinfoil Hat Police?

WTF? No comment?

[wakeme2008]

3. IMHO the DA did more damage to HIS case and hurt the

WH by letting the defense question this one witness.

[Disturbed]

5. PNAC Neo Fascists needed a "New Pearl Harbor".

The Bush Regime let it happen.

[upi402]

31. agreed

:cry: sadly

[wordpix2]

96. I am increasingly signing onto LIHOP, although unfuckingbelievable incompe

tence is certainly a possibility to explain the band of chimps running this country.

[rzemanfl]

8. How could he have prevented it? n/t

[wakeme2008]

14. By knowing what the guy was going to say and not calling him

This is all about just trying to get the DP for a man that has confessed.

[rzemanfl]

21. Wouldn't the defense have called him? n/t

[BR_Parkway]

47. Was this one that would have not testified after the FAA lawyer sent

the previous testimony in direct contradiction to the judge's orders?

That one still strikes me as weird, I've never been to law school, but common sense says that you don't do what she did, especially when the judge, in a highly watched trial, tells you specifically not to.

[yardwork]

60. And thank goodness he did!

The prosecution in this case actually sound like decent people who want the truth to be told.

None of this is news - it's sad that the media seem to be just catching on to what millions of people have known for years. The White House let the 9/11 attacks happen - either through incredibly gross negligence or deliberate inaction.

[chaumont58]

4. The FBI made a bunch of mistakes

They were called the national Keystone Kops, deservedly. Of course, the repukes wanted to blame Clinton, and did.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. I'm sorry they weren't mistakes. It isn't only this agent whom the FBI

uppers didn't want to listen to. Robert Wright is another whistle blower who knew it was coming, and there is an online press conference where this man is in tears. What did his bosses do when he told them about it? They transferred him....

rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/idrive/ter053002_judicial.rm

[motocicleta]

71. I can't get the link to work

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

73. I just discovered it isn't working too. It was available for a few years.

Here is a link to articles - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=710549&mesg_id=713113

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

94. Link to video

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/view?&h=97&w=130&type=realmedia&rurl=www.threatofagoodidea.com%2Foutlink%2Fmultimedia&vurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.threatofagoodidea.com%2Foutlink%2Fmultimedia%2Frobert%2520wright_judicial.rm&back=p%3D%2522robert%2520wright%2522%2520fbi%26ei%3DUTF-8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%253Aen-US%253Aofficial%26fr%3Dmoz2&turl=scd.mm-so.yimg.com%2Fimage%2F1748890124&name=%3Cb%3Erobert+wright%3C%2Fb%3E_judicial.rm&no=1&tt=2&p=%22robert+wright%22+fbi&oid=4ca760c26894f474&size=33.0MB&dur=4536

[motocicleta]

95. Thank you

I owe ya, ommm.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

104. Your welcome motocicleta! Your viewing it is payment enough.

I started to cry along with Agent Wright at the end.

[wordpix2]

98. there's a list of video links at this site---which link is it?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

102. At the very top of the search page there is a video link. Just click. eom

[wordpix2]

97. yes, may be LIHOP but COULD be a coverup of mind blowing incompetence

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

106. Please view Wright's press conference, look up links for Sibel Edmonds

and you will see, not incompetence at all. It is all very deliberate.

Also, check out the link in my post #90
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=710549&mesg_id=716048

[Jeffersons Ghost]

6. why would His Royal Chimpness disrupt his own plan for 9/11?

[Old and In the Way]

7. Refused to listen...by design?

Really, I don't know how you can have such a high level of pre-warnings ignored and not wonder if there was a conscious decision to "let it happen". Wasn't this Frasca's case that stuffed the investigation....and he was eventually rewarded with a promotion?

[kath]

25. Well, it seems like we're getting awfully close to the line between

"a conscious decision to 'let it happen'" and actually *helping* it to happen...

C'mon, brave whistleblowers, keep it comin'.

[petgoat]

86. Oh no! HIHOP! I guess that's "The Big Wedding"

LIHOP, HIHOP, and MIHOP.

We'll never know for sure.

If OBL didn't do it, it's MIHOP.
If he did, it might be LIHOP or HIHOP or MIHOP, depending on whether
it was his idea or somebody in the PNAC cabal called him up and asked
him to do a little job for them.

[killbotfactory]

9. Republicans didn't take terrorism seriously until 9/11

This is just more proof.

[Disturbed]

11. The evidence of LIHOP is mounting.

I have believed it from the start.

[yardwork]

61. The White House still doesn't take terrorism seriously

If the chimp-monster really cared about protecting the U.S. from terrorism, he would have

- kept our special forces in Afghanistan and actually caught bin Laden
- not wasted resources by invading a non-terrorist state (Iraq)
- spent a little money protecting our borders and ports, instead of zilch-sippo-nada
- called for real coordination of homeland security instead of contracting it out to cronies

oh, and so on and so on.

Bush doesn't give a damn about terrorism. All he cares about is personal money and power.

[Generator]

12. I will never forget this

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/28/1022243318700.html

FBI chiefs so lax agents felt they were spies

FBI officials in Washington not only stymied an investigation into flight school student Zacarias Moussaoui before September 11, but also tried to stop field agents linking the suspected 20th hijacker to the terrorist attacks after they occurred, an agent claims in a 13-page "whistle-blower" letter.

Agent Coleen Rowley, the chief lawyer in the Minneapolis field office, alleges that intelligence on Moussaoui provided by the French Government, which included information on his "activities connected with Osama bin Laden", was more than enough to obtain a warrant to search his laptop computer in the weeks before the terrorist attacks.

But requests for a warrant were thwarted by FBI supervisors in Washington, who seemed so intent on ignoring the threat Moussaoui posed that some field agents speculated that key officials at FBI headquarters "had to be spies or moles ... working for Osama bin Laden".

~
And that is why I doubt the official story about 9/11 and am finding this trial very interesting. But surprise, surprise Gomer, this is never on Tevee.

[wordpix2]

99. thanks, generator, it's clear a few FBI agents were doing their jobs

before 9-11 but the higher ups were preventing the info from getting to those who could have stopped 9-11. WHY???

Either LIHOP or a big coverup of BushCo's incompetence are only two choices.

[seemslikeadream]

13. Why would Zelikow not want the 9/11Commission

to know about Atta?

Why would Schoomaker not want Clinton to know about Atta?

[GliderGuider]

15. Samit, Rowley and Edmonds

Whistleblowers of the world, unite! There's a crack in the levee around the White House.

[blm]

17. Important to note: Robert Mueller was also US Attorney on BCCI who refused

to prosecute any of the players. Many of the same names pop up in 9-11 investigation.

So the BCCI case wouldn't be covered up completely, Kerry took his documents and evidence to the NY state attorney where it finally received greater attention.

Point being - Robert Mueller is one of the BFEE fixers and is in on the big picture for the fascist House of Saud, House of Bush, UAE, et al.

[Ufomammut]

18. Bush signed document W199I, ordering the FBI to back off investigating...

bin Laden.

Dated info, but cool Buzzflash link:
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/10/far04036.html

[fed-up]

19. link to earlier discussion here with other versions of story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x709469

including this one

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060320/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui_6

FBI Agent Testifies About Moussaoui Arrest

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer Mon Mar 20, 12:04 PM ET
ALEXANDRIA, Va. - An FBI agent testified Monday his superiors repeatedly ignored his warnings before 9/11 that Zacarias Moussaoui might be a terrorist intent on hijacking an airliner.


Agent Harry Samit, questioned by defense attorney Edward MacMahon in Moussaoui's death penalty trial, said he referred to Moussaoui in the context of terrorism some
70 times
in communications with superiors after arresting him Aug. 16, 2001, but failed to get the FBI to conduct an all-out investigation.

[AuntiBush]

22. Jeez-A-Wiz...

Forgot about that story - thanks for the old Yahoo link.

I remember watching in shock but thinking where was Norad? I grew-up knowing this as second-nature. We lived that close to the hill. After that, nothing seemed to fit.

[Eurobabe]

20. LIHOP, then they couldn't have destroyed the USA

the way they have since 2000. This country is not what it was just a decade ago. It will come out in the wash that they wanted 9-11 to happen to further their own evil interests. This thing has stunk for years.

[freefall]

55. Please forgive my ignorance but try as I might I can't figure out LIHOP

and MIHOP. And I'm tired of not fully understanding posts because I am too embarrassed to ask.

Thanks, :blush:

Peace,

freefall

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

56. LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose. MIHOP = Made It Happen On Purpose.

The LIHOP theory holds that the Bushies knew Al Qaeda was going to attack (either generally or specifically) and did nothing to stop them because the attack would be politically advantageous. MIHOP holds that the Bushies actually engineered 9/11.

[freefall]

58. Thank you. I wasn't even close.

:hi:

Peace,

freefall

[converted_democrat]

57. Okay..

MIHOP- Made it happen of purpose..
LIHOP- Let it happen on purpose..

[freefall]

59. Thanks. So much is clearer now!

:hi:

Peace,

freefall

[Name removed]

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[Independent_Liberal]

24. I was thinking about Able Danger.

Do any of you think Able Danger is the key to helping us uncover the 9/11 cover-up?

[seemslikeadream]

75. YES I DO BUDDY BUDDY Independent_Liberal

BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724

[robertpaulsen]

112. Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.

:hi:

Just thought I'd highlight this post in case any progressives still fear an Able Danger investigation by a Rethuglican Congress:


robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-26-05 12:33 AM
Response to Original message
15. Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.
Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1727804#1728105

[bush_is_wacko]

26. Every time I see this information posted I picture half of America

drooling all over themselves as the evening news plays in the background. This has been reported. I've heard it reported but it seems a whole lot of Americans don't think it is important or they drank the kool-aid and STILL believe in the "liberal news media."

What I want to know is what can be done to reverse America's coma? Yes, *'s poll numbers aren't good and neither are the Republicans but I gotta wonder if it isn't just a little too late.

[motocicleta]

72. All you gotta do is:

Make it difficult for moms to breastfeed, and easy to substitute less nutritious alternatives during humans most formative years.
Make it easy for citizens to eat junkfood, and hard to find good nutrition.
Make it easy for citizens to watch TV.
Make sure TV is in the hands of the lowest common denominator producers.
Make it easy for right wing nutjobs to spew lies on the radio band that gets broadcast absolutely everywhere in the country.
Cut taxes on the wealthy, then claim that the reason our schools aren't better is waste of funds, not lack of funds.
Simmer for 25 years.
Voila! A pot of morons!
Frankly I find it shocking that in these conditions as many people are suspicious of the evil being done as there are. It's a real testament to the resilience of the human species that these methods haven't made us all drooling idiots.

[adigal]

27. Washington Post is leading with this story right now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/20/AR2006032000240.html

They have it a little differently, though, saying that the FBI agent tried to warn his supervisors. They don't, unfortunately, say anything about Bush/Cheney knowing.

[kpete]

29. Thanks for posting the WaPo article

I had been trying to find it....

[Canuckistanian]

33. If that's the case, then why not any firings at the FBI?

Nothing could have stopped them and they would have their scapegoat.

No one seems to have gotten fired over this.

It's all like.... they did what they were supposed to do.....

But that would be crazy, right?

[Octafish]

91. The cover-up artistes got promoted.

FBI fellows "David Frasca" and "Michael Maltbie" come to mind.

[TankLV]

28. LIHOP/MIHOP sure looks closer to reality every fucking day, doesn't it!

At the very least CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.

[catzies]

30. It appears no one remembers the "Phoenix Memo?"

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/phoenix-memo/

[Nevilledog]

41. Holy crap... I'd never read that memo.....

It talks about a suspect at ERU in Prescott... that's less than two miles from where I live. I had never heard of the Prescott connection before.... freaky.

[wordpix2]

103. thanks from me, too-Condiliar's statement re: never being able to imagine

planes used as weapons is so ridiculous when you see these documents and hear from the Minn. FBI agents who tried to get their information out and up.

[MetaTrope]

53. I heard about the Phoenix memo when someone pointed out that

the CEO of Dubai Ports World was attending an Arizona university at the same time that al-Qaeda was setting up shop there.

[holboz]

64. Thanks for posting - I've never read that before. (eom)

[DemInDistress]

114. Thanks catzie...for over four yrs. I heard of these memo's

AND NOW i FINALLY READ THEM ^5...The bush crime family must have pulled out all the stops to see this didn't go public at the time. In fact, these memo's seem to be an orderve' to the Aug 6 2001 PDB. Then soon after that Moussoaui gets arrested wow!! Crowley,Wright,Edmonds,Singh,Schippers and a few others had 911 nailed but due to threats of jail,coercion,and other methods they were forced to keep quiet while the country was attacked.
At first I believed King George the Imbecile when he said,"I don't know who did it" but it didn't take long for me to believe LIHOP, last year after viewing some damaging videos Eyewitness to 911, Reopen011,Loose Change and some others I moved into the MIHOP camp where now I devote my time to find additional facts that will get these M-U-R-D-E-R-E-R-S arrested,charged,indicted,convicted and hopefully EXECUTED..

Thanks again, God, how I love DU-ers.. their so damn smart and resourceful !!!

[Imagevision]

32. If Bush intervened he wouldn't have gotten his war!! yes/no?!!

[DemInDistress]

115. if King George the Imbecile intervened and 911 didn't come off

as scheduled the news would have been "ALL ENRON ALL THE TIME" and the close ties the Imbecile had with the thief Kenron Lay. Also, back in April/May 2001 Lay hit on King George the Imbecile for 6 billion dollars and was rejected so 911 was a dire necessity. Nothing must come in the way,no leaks,no mishaps. 3,000 died and the S.E.C. investigations into cheney/halliburton were lost in the collapse of WT7.

[NVMojo]

34. bushco wanted it to happen ...

[LiberalAndProud]

35. Failure of Leadership

Why does he want to destroy America? Why is he so careless with our country and our planet? Is he doing this "because he can"?

[MiniMe]

36. awwww, give the guy a break. He was on vacation.

:sarcasm:

[Octafish]

68. Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.

The little turd from Crawford ignored the CIA's warnings, too.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/

Too bad he didn't warn the airlines or the flying public. A call to NORAD would've been nice, too.

[robertpaulsen]

101. 8/6/01 PDB -- Was It Really *11* Pages??

:hi:

Seeing your post reminded me of this thread I bookmarked long ago:

RedSock (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-11-04 04:19 AM
Original message
8/6/01 PDB -- Was It Really *11* Pages??
Deadly Mistakes
U.S. Investigators Knew About Planned Terror Attacks, Let the Suspects Get Away.
More Clues That CIA and FBI Could Have Prevented the Attack on America
by Oliver Schröm
Die Zeit
October 1, 2002

"Crawford, Aug. 6, 2001. U.S. president George W. Bush is on vacation. He wants to spend the whole month at his ranch in Texas. Every morning, however, he still receives his Presidential Daily Brief, or PDB, wherein the CIA informs the president about the country's security situation. On this morning, the report is straight from the CIA director. His PDB runs 11 and one-half printed pages, instead of the usual two to three, and carries the title, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Therein the CIA chief explains that al Qaeda has decided to carry out attacks within the United States, and that presumably members of the terrorist organization have been in the country for some time. It is unclear whether the CIA director informed the president about the statements of arrested al Qaeda members. According to their confessions, the terrorist organization for some time has been thinking about hijacking planes and using them as missiles."

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/diezeit100102.html

****

We need an answer to this question -- NOW!!!!

more...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1388317

[Octafish]

108. Thanks, robertpaulsen!

The Aug.6 PDB that was released, on first inspection, does appear more than a bit light. In the DU thread you kindly linked shows just how, um, abruptly it ends.





From my limited experience, briefing memos don't close out that way. There's a summation or call for action or recommendations -- not empty space.

And where's the cover? And where are the details about the other things of interest, like the 70 FBI field investigators are working on? Wonder if that's a reference to what they were doing in Florida, California, Arizona, Missouri and Minnesota.

The complete document must be a real indictment of the little turd from Crawford. I hope we get to see it in its entirety -- bfore the trial would be nice.

PS: That's some mighty resource you've put together, Robert. Thank you for sharing.

[DemInDistress]

116. That PDB is missing much of its text from Page 2..

in particular this paragraph I saw the day it was mistakenly released in its 2 page entirety. It said this,"
weeks, many many dead, very very big uproar, possibly using hijacked commercial jets as suicidal weapons to be crashed into skyscrapers in New York City, Chicago and Washington DC." that was followed by a closing paragraph. Generally I have my vcr on taping but didn't at that moment but with the thought I'd soon see that PDB again on other cable news channels I set the vcr up and was deeply disappointed when the PDB didn't air. When I next seen it it was reduced to the one you posted..Had they left that damaging information in the PDB no doubt they'd lose the election as well as maybe find themselves charged with treason.
I posted that last year in hopes of someone else viewing that but to no avail. I know what I saw when I saw it. The day the PDB was publicly released was the day I saw it. I don't know if it was a good thing I didn't tape that for I might be a dead man now claiming I have that mistakenly aired PDB...

Thanks octafish, I enjoy your research you one smart fish (lol).. ^5

[Octafish]

117. Larry Johnson on Aug 6, 2001 PDB...

It would be wonderful to read that first version of the PDB and learn exactly what Bush was told.



Posin' heroic-like in fronta Dr. Carlyle Pepper Machine.

The things we do know he heard are bad enough, evidence of criminal negligence at the very least, evidence of treason most likely.

Here's what former CIA analyst Larry Johnson says about the PDB:

Post-Release Analysis

In the view of Larry C. Johnson, a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity who served with the CIA from 1985 through
1989: <7> (http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10224)

I wrote about 40 PDB's during my four year tenure at the CIA. This particular PDB article was written in response to a presidential request. I am told that Bush's request was a reaction to the intelligence warnings he was hearing during the daily CIA morning briefings. Something caught his attention and awakened his curiosity. He reportedly asked the CIA to come back with its assessment of Bin Laden's intentions. The CIA answered the question--Bin Laden was targeting the United States.
The PDB article released Saturday is a classic CIA response to such a request. It lays out the historical and evidentiary antecedents that undergird the analyst's belief about the nature of the threat and provides current intelligence indicators that reinforce the basic conclusion of the piece--i.e., Bin Laden was determined to attack the United States.

The PDB revealed another very fascinating item--the analyst who wrote the piece had access to details about FBI investigations.

SOURCE:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=August_6%2C_2001%2C_President's_Daily_Briefing_Memo

Gee the CIA fellah had heard what the FBI guys had been up to. I wonder if that includes what Dave Frasca and Michael Maltbie and David Rollince and the rest of the turds at HQ were sitting on -- including whoever the guy at the top was who squashed the FISA request to check out Moussaoui's laptop.

Lots more from the likes of Corn and others at the above URL.

Here's a bit of news about the FBI turd Mr. Rollince:

Ex-F.B.I. Official Says He Didn't Know of Moussaoui Report

By NEIL A. LEWIS

ALEXANDRIA, Va., March 21 — The F.B.I.'s top counterterrorism official at the time of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks told a jury today that he did not know a bureau agent had filed a report three weeks earlier detailing his suspicions that Zacarias Moussaoui was involved in some imminent airline hijacking plot.

Michael Rollince, who was the Federal Bureau of Investigation's chief of international terrorism section until his retirement, testified that he had little knowledge of Mr. Moussaoui before the attacks. Mr. Rollince said he was unaware that Harry Samit, an agent in Minneapolis, had filed a lengthy report asking for a complete investigation of Mr. Moussaoui, whom he described as a radical Islamic fundamentalist who hated the United States and was learning to fly jetliners.

When Edward B. MacMahon Jr., Mr. Moussaoui's chief court-appointed lawyer, asked Mr. Rollince if he knew that when Mr. Moussaoui was arrested he was under suspicion of planning an airliner hijacking, Mr. Rollince replied, "No." Then, after a moment he asked sharply, "Can I ask what document that's coming from?"

Mr. MacMahon offered a quick reply: "That's Mr. Samit's communication to your office," he said. "Aug. 18, 2001."

Mr. Rollince said Mr. Samit's "suppositions, hunches and suspicions were one thing and what we knew" was a different matter.

But despite his efforts to recover, Mr. Rollince became the second witness for the prosecution in two consecutive days at the Moussaoui death sentencing trial whose testimony appeared to provide clear benefits to the defense.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/politics/22cnd-moussaoui.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Thank you for the kind reminder and the kind words, DemInDistress. Thanks also for giving a damn.

[DemInDistress]

118. Octafish that tompaine link came back "error" and

that sourcewatch link came back "no text available" still the rest of your reply is quite interesting (as usual for you). The agents who prepared that Aug 6 2001 PDB are key players in this serious issue. They certainly would know if what I briefly read back in April 2004 was true, I swear,it said,"weeks many many dead" etc. that person who presented the PDB to the camera must have either been killed or promoted. It was very damaging. Sad to say this,"my government is ruthless, cold calculated killers of their own people." And for what? H'm, a trillion dollars divvied up among their top corporate buddies and the pentagon (WAR MAGGOTS).
Thanks again Mr.Fish and keep those articulate threads coming I enjoy and learn from your posts..

[Octafish]

119. Sorry about that link, DemInDistress. Try this...

Visit http://www.sourcewatch.org.

On the left side, find the search box.

Use "PDB August 6" for the search term.

The first, or one of the first, results should be a link something like the following:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=August_6%2C_2001%2C_President%27s_Daily_Briefing_Memo

That will open a page with a big-ass column of articles, references and so on.

Use the "find" function or scroll down about half way to Larry C. Johnson. The guy rocks.

SourceWatch says they have some kind of spam filtering thing substituting something or another, which makes sense, the world we live in and all.

For Tom Paine, try:

http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/10224.html

I'm at the rabbit and the Man wonders why I spend so much time out of the hovel.

[DemInDistress]

122. Fish what can I say ? other than

"YOU HAVE TO BE THE SMARTEST FISH IN THIS DU SEA" I love it. You filled my plate for the day and tonight I will give you an opinion. That 8/6/01 PDB spoke volumes of what was to come. Even Condi indicated in her testimony "very very very big uproar" would happen and it did.
My guess is what I saw that afternoon was someone inadvertently placed the entire PDB out there for inspection as requested by Ben-Vineste. They later realized that was dynamite hence the doctored PDB.
I have to give you credit Octafish, you too cool !! Keep those informative threads coming because I learn from you guys here.
Other favorite DU-ers .. Autorank, Kpete, Understandinglife, Will Pitt, BradBlog, Sapphire Blue and even Skinner when he decides to drop a thread.
I found this place last year and have increased my knowledge and insight 10 fold.

Thanks again my friend !!

Dem.. be back later.

[madmark]

37. biggest mystery to me how this guy has parlayed the biggest fuckup

in our recent history into a reelection.

[Dem2theMax]

39. Diebold. nt.

[EFerrari]

40. Credit where it's due. Also, ES&S and Sequoia.

:kick:

[Dem2theMax]

42. Ooops. One should always give credit where credit is due.

Bad me. Good you! LOL.

[EFerrari]

43. The list of credits gets long, for sure.

:)

[BikeWriter]

48. The entire administration rewards mediocrity.

[reality based]

69. And misfeasance and malfeasance n/t

[BikeWriter]

79. Yep. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." as NOLA drowns!

[petgoat]

87. the biggest fuckup

Because the Dems let them do it. Why they let Bush claim to be strong on security when 9/11 happened
because he let it happen, I can explain only one way:

The Dems want Bush to win because they agree that it's necessary that we control Iraq's oil and
institute police state measures because a real hard rain is gonna fall and they lack the fortitude
to tell us or to do the dirty deeds themselves.

Kerry should have been talking about the warnings from 11 countries, the warnings from 3 FBI offices,
the 8-6 PDB, and Project Bopjinka. Hell, the Dems still won't even talk about the voting
machines--maybe because that lets them off the hook for pulling their punches. They can "discover" the
crooked machines when the dirty work is done and it suits their purposes. Maybe that's all part of the
deal.

[autorank]

38. K&R.....put them all in jail, a reeducation camp, Y camp, just get rid of

them :puke:

[Bluebear]

44. HELLO? Can't a guy go on VACATION???????

:mad:

[Old and In the Way]

45. Looks like another "bipartisan" whitewash is getting underway...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2526109&mesg_id=2526109

[CJCRANE]

46. Let's imagine...

Bushco had done their proper jobs and stopped 9/11?

Bush's approval rating on Sept 10th 2001 was something like 43%.

Imagine on Sept 11th a news story that some men had been arrested at airports and possible hijackings thwarted.

What then?

No sudden doubling of approval and political capital. No Patriot Act, no Afghanistan proxy war, no "shock and awe", no NSA wiretapping, no Abu Ghraib.

In all, no fun for Bushco.

Of course it had to happen.

[madrchsod]

49. not all the people who died were americans

please do not rewrite history....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-American_casualties_of_the_September_11%2C_2001_Attacks
Non-American casualties of the September 11, 2001 Attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you read this you`ll see that many countries lost at least one citizen. of course the most were americans.also no one knows how many homeless people and illegal workers were in the buildings.

bush did nothing because he did`t want to. he needed an excuse and he found one.

[galatea]

51. Bush didn't want to stop

Osama bin Laden and partners? What a shock!

Bush and his crime family planned 911 way in advance. They needed it to start their wars. Only a moron would believe that the 2 towers 'collapsed' that neatly, the way they would only in a controlled implosion. Than building 7, which wasn't attacked, 'collapsed' out of the blue.

[Jon8503]

52. Agree with you but where are all of our dems? Why have they not

hammered this home. I had read this before and we all constantly hear the republican shrills and media cite failures of the dems but they along with the dems themselves never constantly harp on something like this.

[Vinca]

54. If anyone can get into one of Shrub's "the war's goin' great"

town meetings, this would be the question to ask: you could have stopped 9/11, why didn't you? (And a follow-up: how did "My Pet Goat" end?)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

62. Robert Wright - FBI 9/11 Whistleblower......

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0206/S00001.htm

Scoop Links: FBI Whistleblower Blows Lid Off 911
Saturday, 1 June 2002, 2:49 pm
Article: The Scoop Editor
Yesterday, Thursday US EST, Friday NZT, a press conference was held at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. by US based NGO Judicial Watch with FBI agent Robert Wright. Prior to the Press Conference Wright was threatened with criminal prosecution if he shared his views with the public.

According to its website ( http://www.judicialwatch.org./ ): “Judicial Watch, Inc. was established in 1994 to serve as an ethical and legal "watchdog" over the US government, legal, and judicial systems to promote a return to ethics and morality in our nation's public life.

As a non-partisan, non-profit foundation based in Washington, D.C., and with offices throughout the country, Judicial Watch relies on supporters, like yourself, to help us root out corruption in our government and to make sure offenders are brought to justice. “

Robert Wright, an agent for 10 years, was a member of an FBI counter- terrorism taskforce. He alleges that active agents were threatened and impeded in anti-terrorism investigations.

For the RealVideo broadcast of the C-SPAN press conference with FBI whistleblower Robert Wright see...

http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/idrive/ter053002_judicial.rm
Click Here.

See also a facsimile of a letter to the FBI on behalf of Wright by Wright’s lawyer…



For initial coverage in the US media of Robert Wright’s press conference see the following links..

********

BLOOMBERG NEWS

FBI Agent Says He's Prevented From Exposing Agency (Update1)
Bloomberg News
By Julie Ziegler
ADVERTISEMENT

Washington, May 30 (Bloomberg) -- An FBI agent in Chicago who has written an unpublished book attacking the agency's counterterrorist activities said the bureau is preventing him from airing his criticisms.

The agent, Robert Wright, said his aim is to expose the Federal Bureau of Investigation's failures in deterring terrorist attacks and strip the agency of responsibility for probing terrorism. He held a news conference with his lawyers to accuse the FBI of muzzling him.

********

More at above link

[petgoat]

88. Wright's lawyer, David Schippers, had very good contacts

with FBI agents because his practice area was defending cops and FBI who got in trouble for being
cowboys. That's why a number of FBI agents who had knowledge of upcoming attacks in lower Manhattan
contacted Schippers six weeks before 9/11 and asked him to relay their warnings, which were being blocked by their supervisors, and included dates and targets.

They expected that Schippers could get word to John Ashcroft, because Schippers had been the chief
prosecutor for the impeachment of President Clinton. He couldn't. Ashcroft wouldn't return his calls.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3151.shtml

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

90. Here is a transcript of a David Schippers interview with Alex Jones.

http://www.infowars.com/transcripts/schippers.htm

BTW... David Schippers was the chief prosecutor in the Clinton Impeachment. If he didn't have contacts to warn, who did. And yes, Ashcroft was ignoring him, amongst others.

[spinbaby]

63. Vote up the yahoo article

Here:

http://tinyurl.com/lzznk

[Ian David]

81. Make sure you use the print and email buttons, too

Get it on the "Most Emailed" list, too!

Most Emailed News
http://news.yahoo.com/i/964/0;_ylt=AqPgAKZPOA86AjwSRFakXHsDW7oF

[Neil Lisst]

65. at a minimum, the Bush admin was grossly negligent regarding 9/11

If we give them the benefit of the doubt on "letting it happen," they still absolutely fell asleep at the wheel in a stupor on watch.

They ignored everything told about terror the first 8 months of 01.

[mattclearing]

67. Duh.

We've known this for years.

[reality based]

70. But the American people as a whole have not known about it

largely because of the stupidity and cowardice of the Democratic opposition and the enabling of * by the corporate media. I still do not understand why the Democratic Party was unwilling to knock down the preposterous claims that Bush has been strong against terrorism. The cowardly fly around on September 11 by the poster boy for "deer in the headlights" while he was "staying out of harm's way" contrasts shamefully with the conduct of brave men and women whom he has placed in harm's way in Iraq.

[kpete]

76. VERY INTERESTING

The Truth Will Set You Freeh
Former FBI Director Louis Freeh, My FBI, pg. 289:

But in theory – and I stress theory – if we had been able to do that, and if we had connected that information with the arrest the next month in Minnesota of Zacarias Moussaoui, the French-Moroccan who aroused a flight instructor’s suspicions when he asked to learn how to fly a commercial airliner, and then tied that to the two al Qaeda cell members living in San Diego and to the earlier warnings that terrorists were plotting to use commercial flights as kamikaze planes…then perhaps 9/11 never would have happened, or would have happened at a lesser scale.

Washington Post, 3/21/06:

An FBI agent who interrogated Zacarias Moussaoui before Sept. 11, 2001, warned his supervisors more than 70 times that Moussaoui was a terrorist and spelled out his suspicions that the al-Qaeda operative was plotting to hijack an airplane, according to federal court testimony yesterday.

The truth, as we understand it now, is that the dots were connected. The higher-ups, however, weren’t listening.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/truth-will-set-you-freeh/

[EVDebs]

78. The wargames of 9-11 and the Ptech/GoAgile connections to FAA

reveal a consistent pattern of either criminal negligence OR active participation in LIHOP/MIHOP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2503075

BTW, GoAgile still has a White House contract. And yesterday Walter Pincus had an excellent article on the outsourcing of intelligence contracts

ncrease in Contracting Intelligence Jobs Raises Concerns
By Walter Pincus
The Washington Post

Monday 20 March 2006
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032006H.shtml

Makes you wonder, huh ?

[confludemocrat]

77. Nothing ties Moussaoui to the others except fevered imagination

there was enough out there already that Bush is criminally negligent without construing this into other than what it is: a bipartisan political need to look like 9/11 is being avenged with whoever is handy. so they pick a crazy person with no demonstrable ties the 9/11 hijackers (assuming for the sake of argument that's a fulkly legit scenario) who, because he is crazy has thrown in the towel, and wants to die rather than live in US custody forever so he can at least look a like martyr
this makes the Democratic office seeker Rowley look good and the Bushites look good because they are nailing a hijacker (rather than a lone crank who wouldna done shit nohow)

[Octafish]

82. Rowley wondered if there was a mole at FBI headquarters.

She did all she could -- before 911 -- to get a FISA warrant to search the guy's laptop.

The record shows Dave Frasca, Michael Maltbie and their FBI bosses in Washington didn't want to.

They reported to Louis Freeh, John Ashcroft, George Bush and ultimately Dick Cheney himself.

[Ian David]

80. Bush + 9/11 = LIHOP! n/t

[SemperEadem]

83. Maltbie and Frasca--I wonder how they're going to try to

spin the blame off themselves?

They have the blood of 3000+ people on their hands. I wonder how they can sleep at night?

[Octafish]

85. Michael Maltbie said, ''Congress has looked into it.''

and that "his people" at FBI also did and nothing was worth getting a FISA warrant...or words to that effect.

This, SemperEadem, might be the straw that broke the BFEE's back.

[petgoat]

89. How they sleep at night.

There's a drug called Ambien.

Its addictive potential is high. It may cause amnesia, some people find it changes their thinking or behavior, it can cause difficulty in concentrating and emotional instability, exaggerated sense of well-being, falling, and speech difficulties.

http://www.drugrehabamerica.net/FAQ-ambien.htm


According to Colin Powell, "Everybody here uses Ambien."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A19844-2003Nov9¬Found=true

[SemperEadem]

124. doesn't that make you raid the refrigerator in your sleep?

[goclark]

92. I just bookmarked this thread

Isn't that a wonderful idea! :think:

[wordpix2]

105. me, too, this thread is FULL of info to get these LIHOP coverup fuckers

[AzDar]

93. Wow..just, wow! n/t

[wordpix2]

100. are Maltbie & Frasca still in their positions at FBI? They should be

FIRED for this. On the other hand, if they did what BushCo asked, they'll be promoted.

snip: But Samit told MacMahon he couldn't persuade FBI headquarters or the Justice Department to take his fears seriously. No one from Washington called Samit to say this intelligence altered the picture the agent had been painting since Aug. 18 in a running battle with Maltbie and Maltbie's boss, David Frasca, chief of the radical fundamentalist unit at headquarters.

They fought over Samit's desire for a warrant to search Moussaoui's computer and belongings. Maltbie and Frasca said Samit had not established a link between Moussaoui and terrorists.

[Bridget Burke]

107. Most of this is not new to many DU'ers.

But--with Bush's popularity in the toilet--perhaps the media will actually do some reporting.

[goclark]

110. We can only hope they see the light

so the world will know that Bush didn't just sit there because he had glue on his butt.

He sat and read "My Pet Goat" because he wanted to ~ where was the FBI and Secret Service?

Why didn't they pull him out of there?
Why did he risk the lives of those innocent children?

Why, I know why and when Amerika wakes up, we will understand how evil these crooks are ~ evil!

[petgoat]

125. It's not new to DUers in the 9/11 dungeon. nt

[robertpaulsen]

109. It's at the top of the page at commondreams.org

Published on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 by the Los Angeles Times
Agent Faults FBI on 9/11
The man who caught Zacarias Moussaoui testifies that higher-ups blocked his efforts to determine whether there was a larger plot.

by Richard A. Serrano

snip

Samit's recollections Monday were the first ground-level account of how FBI agents in Minneapolis — where Moussaoui was arrested on a visa violation 3½ weeks before the attacks — were appalled that their Washington supervisors denied their requests for search warrants in the effort to find out why the Frenchman was taking flying lessons and what role he might have in a wider plan to attack America.

"They obstructed it," a still-frustrated Samit told the jury, calling his superiors' actions a calculated management decision "that cost us the opportunity to stop the attacks."

snip

Samit said he was so frustrated and so convinced that attacks were imminent that he bypassed FBI officials in Washington and met with an FAA officer he knew in Minneapolis. But he said FAA agents never got back to him, and never asked to see a pair of small knives, similar to box cutters, that Samit had found in Moussaoui's pocket and in his car.

snip

But Samit said his immediate boss in Minneapolis, FBI Special Agent Greg Jones, did urge Washington to be more receptive.

Samit said he once overheard Jones on the phone with headquarters, telling FBI superiors that Minneapolis was trying to keep Zacarias Moussaoui "from flying an airplane into the World Trade Center."

more...


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0321-11.htm

How many smoking guns do you need?!

[Nothing Without Hope]

111. Great that this hasn't been dumped into the 9/11 DU closet, like

anything about 9/11 usually is. You can't vote for Greatest Page from that forum, and when a thread is moved there - even one with lots of votes - it disappears from the Greatest Page.

A small crack in the censorship? I surely hope so. It's way, way past time to let the light in on this subject, the single scandal that, if revealed, would bring the criminal cabal down.

Now, if we could start talking about AIPAC and Israel in US and world politics without threads being dumped in another voteless dark DU closet, the Israel/Palestine forum. (And even after they are hidden there, the threads are gutted and censored even further. It's happened to me more than once and I'm not the only one.)

How long before the American public can open their eyes and admit that there are obvious lies and coverups all around the public story about 9/11? Personally, I lean to MIHOP, but it's LIHOP at a minimum.

[VivaLasVegan]

113. Suspicious From Day 1

We here in Las Vegas have been privvy to broadcasts of many implosions. The first time we saw footage of one of the towers falling my husband said, "That was an implosion!"
My personal proof that it couldn't have happened in the way it was explained is 'Where were the upper stories?' No matter what happened to the stories beneath the crashes, it should have had no effect on the stories above. But they were gone, too.

[petgoat]

126. Good observations. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Where were the upper stories? It seems they turned to dust in midair.
Shouldn't they have been broken on the top of the pile like graham crackers?

[leesa]

120. Why would he stop something the Crime Family had worked so hard

to plan and execute?

[stubtoe]

121. I used to think LIHOP was kinda, tinfoil-hatty. Now I'm on board.

Too much evidence and no reasonable explanation otherwise. Mere incompetence just doesn't cut it. They needed an event like this for some reason.

[petgoat]

123. The reason was fivefold:

1. Bush's legitimacy was about to be trashed by revelations that Gore got more votes in Florida
2. Rumsfeld had just revealed that the Pentagon could not account for $2.3 trillion in expenditures
3. They wanted to increase the defense budget to allow investment in death-rays from the sky
(See USSPACECOM's Vision for 2020)
4. They wanted to invade Iraq
5. The CIA wanted to turn Afghanistan into an opium farm once more (Taliban had banned production in 2000; after the invasion production reached record levels).

Links available upon request

[goclark]

127. Welcome aboard, once you

have the ability to have eyes wide open instead of shut, the possibility of LIHOP becomes clearer.

I believe the problem is that our minds have been trained to believe that Kennedy was shot by Oswald acting alone. If not, the horror would be too much to comprehend. It's easier to believe what we have been feed to believe. After all, even if we did believe it, what could we do about it?

Once again, the idea that there are some EVIL people that are STILL working to control AMERICA is too horrible to get our arms around ~ after all, WE are what FREEDOM is all about ~ now if we open our eyes, it's right there in front of us and it is HORRIBLE!

[earth mom]

128. LIHOP/MIHOP = Who Benefits?

Well, we all know who benefited the most: The BFEE!!! :puke: