attempt to repeal the 19th amendment (women's suffrage)

[bobbieinok]

I found this in a discussion at

http://www.talk2action.com


http://fathers.ourfamily.com/19th.htm

(many links in original)



The Nineteenth Amendment caused government spending to skyrocket, which converted the United States, its Constitution, and its Bill of Rights, into a totalitarian state. Professor John Lott of the Law School University of Chicago proved statistically that it was women's suffrage, and nothing else, which caused this unbridled government growth. Spending too much for government destroyed private property rights, plunged the US into huge debts and destroyed Personal Savings. Professor Lott demonstrated that the reason the increase in federal expenditures resulting from the First World War didn't return to its previous historic level was due solely to the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment in 1921. This unbridled government growth is why one third of the men in the world who are behind bars are American men, why an American man is 1,000 times more likely than a Japanese or an Italian or a Greek man to be convicted of rape, why more Americans per capita are incarcerated for just drinking and driving than Japanese are for all crimes combined even though a non-drinking woman driver is five times more likely to have a fatal accident than a drinking man driver, why existing adultery and sodomy laws are not upheld, and why the US is the only industrialized nation with a negative Personal Savings rate.

Until the Nineteenth Amendment is repealed, Christian women are invited to sign the following proxy statement, file it with their local county recorder, and fax the signed statement to 866 721 5995:



"I, as a submissive woman of God, and of sound mind, do hereby give my vote to this man of God: __________________ to exercise for the glory of Yahvh, our Creator. I make this statement publickly as an example for other godly women to emulate, and for the edification of the world through which we are passing.

I make this statement bona fide dei gratia, for Christ Jesus my Lord. Amen."

Signed: _______________________

Sponsored by: Women for God's Law

[SeattleGirl]

1. That's hysterical! No way could I EVAH take something like this

seriously!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[newswolf56]

25. I suggest you take it VERY seriously. This is what has been unleashed...

on America by Bush, the Republican (fascist) Party and the corporations they serve. Here is but one link of truly terrifying documentation:

http://www.motherjones.com/toc/2005/12/index.html

If this is not sufficient, I could refer you to at least a half-dozen more such links, with prime sources including Harpers, The Nation, The Guardian and The New York Times.

These would-be tyrants -- these militant Christian Fundamentalists -- are the most dire threat to liberty on our nation's history. They are lavishly financed by the corporate ruling class (which supports theocracy whether Christian or Islamic as the ultimate mechanism of social control), and with the appointment of Alito they now have TOTAL control of the federal government.

We dismiss at them -- just as European liberals and leftists dismissed Hitler -- at our own mortal risk.

[SeattleGirl]

30. There are far more of us (sane people) than there are of them

(the crazy Fundies). The group is so very VERY far outside the mainstream that I have to laugh. I do not believe they will take over. I just cannot see modern-day women who have the ability to think being willing to sign something like this "contract". I also think that there are plenty of people who strongly believe in the separation of church and state, and who will fight back (I am one of them). I'm not saying that these whacko's aren't trying to make things the way they think they should be -- turning this country into a theocracy, one religion (theirs) for all, etc. I just don't think they are going to succeed. I'm also not saying we should not pay attention to them; we should. But seriously, they are so far out on the edge that I don't think most people would follow them off the cliff.

However, what I do take seriously are the not-so-whacked-out righties who have been, and still are, causing great harm to this country. I'd rather work to stop the not-so-out-there things and people before the path opens wide for the really-out-there folks. It's sort of like treating cancer before it gets to the end-stage.

[kestrel91316]

32. Tell the women of South Dakota they're not taking over.......

[SeattleGirl]

37. Then I would ask, are they doing something to fight back?

I am absolutely not diminishing what has happened in South Dakota. It's disgusting, it's obscene, and it's immoral. But surely there are things that the residents there (and not just the women, but men who believe a woman should have access to a safe, legal, abortion) can do to fight back. File suit. Vote out the bastards that passed this law. Protest. Speak up. Speak out. Don't just sit back and let them have their way. (And please don't take this as implying that no one in South Dakota is fighting this assinine law. I'm just saying that just because something is made law, that doesn't mean it can't be changed.)

Oh, and while I made the choice long ago to not have any more children, access to safe and legal abortions is an issue that still burns hot in me, and I do what I can do to try and keep it that way.)

[readmoreoften]

100. Well, they could vote them out.

If the voting machines aren't rigged.

[RazzleDazzle]

103. And rigged, I might add, by the very same Reconstructionists

who SeattleGirl doesn't want to take seriously.

Christian Reconstructionists. They're the folks who want to see "Biblical Law" (Leviticus) instated here in the U.S. They want to be able to stone adulterers (and adulteresses, of course! Yum, yum!) and disobedient youths to death. Oh, homosexuals too.

Wake up, SeattleGirl. Quick, while it may yet still matter.

[SeattleGirl]

107. I am awake, and getting somewhat tired of people making

assumptions about me based on one post. Please read some of the things I posted above in this thread. I laugh at Bush (when I'm not cringing), as do a lot of people. But I don't take him, or the things he does, lightly at all.

There are other people who are also laughing at this "professor" and the "contract" posting in this thread, yet I seem to have been elected to receive most of the disparaging remarks. Perhaps it is because I was the first person to respond to the OP; I don't know.

Because I laughed, you, and other people, have assumed I'm, what? An empty-headed bimbo? An idiot? Stupid? Ignorant? I am none of those things. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: You do not know me. You do not know anything about my political activism. You do not know how closely I watch what is going on in this country, INCLUDING what the fundie wing-nuts are doing. Just because I laugh at the absurdity of some of the things they do doesn't mean I'm not paying attention.

I do not judge you based on one post. It would be nice if you would extend the same courtesy to me.

[rexcat]

109. If it is of any consolation I think it's hysterical also...

These people who make this stuff up are really on the fringe of the fringe. There is no way that the 19th amendment to the Constitution be repealed, at least I hope not (just kidding)! Hang in there SeattleGirl!

[SeattleGirl]

110. Thanks rexcat!

:hi:

[RevCheesehead]

113. Sheesh.....

You radical subversive! :P

:hug: No need for me to snark - you've done a fine job all by yourself! :rofl:

[SeattleGirl]

115. Ooooh, a radical subversive!

Kew-all!!! :hug:

[EstimatedProphet]

112. Somrtimes I think the best thing to do is to laugh at them

rather than get all up in arms. The people that are driving the kind of stupidity that has seized the country deserve no less.

Laugh at them. They're stupid clowns. They're laughable buffoons by their nature, and we would be much better if we all realized that, rather than doing them the honor of taking them seriously. Hell, we can't argue with them-they ignore facts as being wrong unless a fact supports their argument.

Laugh at them. Hard. In their face. Point at them and scream "Look at the stupid idiot!" as often as you can. Humiliation is a far more effective weapon.

SeattleGirl, I got your back.

[SeattleGirl]

114. Hey, EP! If I didn't laugh sometimes, I'd either be crying

all the time or bashing my head into the wall, neither of which is very appealing to me.

I like your idea of pointing at them, and screaming "Look at the stupid idiot!" :rofl:

[xmas74]

118. Sweetie, you are doing just fine.

As one Lounger to another you know I'll back you up.

For sheer amusement you can read my thread toward the end.

[SeattleGirl]

120. Wash your mouth out before kissing your kid?

:rofl:

And BTW, thanks! :hug:

[Catch22Dem]

119. I got your back too, Seattlegirl

No one should be under any dilusion that the 19th amendment is going anywhere. Women voters now outnumber men and they'll never give up that right. The ones who WOULD give up that right, wouldn't do so in the form of a fucking VOTE (which would never be proposed to begin with) The original post, therefore, in my opinion, if fucking funny.

[SeattleGirl]

121. The logic of that "professor" is so twisted, Bush would probably

mistake him for a pretzel! :rofl:

And thanks! :hug:

[RazzleDazzle]

134. If it's a pattern, then you really have to take a look at your own

behavior which keeps eliciting that response, don't you think?

Look, your comment was that you couldn't take this seriously, and I'm saying you'd darn well better because these people are real, and they're serious as heart attacks.

Instead of actually paying attention about the subject (and taking it seriously!) you have to personalize my comments and take them way beyond what was being discussed. I wasn't commenting on whether or not you take the Bushies seriously (I assume you wouldn't be here if you didn't), but rather the Christian Reconstructionists and their close allies.

I would further say this: I wouldn't DREAM of telling someone not to judge me on the basis of one post. What you write is all we know of you. I don't recall ever SEEING anything else you've ever written. Yet I'm supposed to go looking for a whole body of work before I take your very own words at face value and seriously?

Because I laughed, you, and other people, have assumed I'm, what? An empty-headed bimbo? An idiot? Stupid? Ignorant? I am none of those things.

Okay, I'm glad to take your word for that. But I'll tell you this: Yes. Your response to the OP made you sound at best young, naive and/or flighty, and at worst, NOT young, naive and/or flighty. :shrug: If you don't want to be seen that way, don't present yourself that way.

[depakid]

38. Reminds me of another site someone posted

about Geocentrics who think that the sun revolves around the earth. Couldn't tell whether it was serious or not... these days, it's getting damn hard to weed out the satire.

[Pab Sungenis]

93. They really do.

My uncle Bob, the Catholic Apologist, believes this. From Wikipedia:

In early 2002, Robert Sungenis came under much criticism for publicly postulating a geocentric worldview. This view is akin to the Tychonic system worldview, which holds that the universe was created with earth at its center, a view that is in direct conflict with the scientific explanations of physics and astronomy since the seventeenth century. Robert Sungenis bases much of his argument on the testimony of the early Church Fathers especially in relation to their interpretation of Scripture and the authoritative declarations of three popes of the Catholic Church, Paul V, Urban VIII, Alexander VII. Robert Sungenis does not claim these decrees met the level defined in Vatican I required for papal infallibility, but should be considered binding on the conscience of the faithful. This modern geocentrism is to be the focus of the upcoming book Gaileo Was Wrong (due out 2006) authored by Robert Sungenis and Dr. Robert Bennett.

On his web site he announced a challenge to pay $1000 for proof that the Earth revolves around the sun, while restating his proof, via scripture, that the Earth is the center of the universe. However, the terms for disproving their geocentric worldview included the statement that "CAI will be the sole judge of whether you have successfully proven your case."

[theHandpuppet]

48. But there enough of THEM to throw elections

And that's what this is all about.

[Greyhound]

51. Throughout history, your's is the attitude that has let

this kind of thing happen. If you ignore the nut-bars long enough they inevitably gain support. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.

[SeattleGirl]

91. You seem to be making assumptions about me based on

one thing and one thing only: one post I made.

You don't know me. You don't know what I do in terms of political activism. You don't know how closely I pay attention to things. So, I reject your judgment of me. Why do you assume I am ignoring the nut-bars? Because I laughed at what was in the original post? Does that make you think that I don't give a flying fig about what is going on in this country? If that is what your assumption is, I can assure you, you are quite mistaken. I just don't think that wailing, gnashing my teeth, and beating my chest all the time is very productive. Am I angry about what is happening in this country? Absolutely. But sometimes I just have to laugh at the absurdity of it all. Laughing is rejuvenating. If I didn't laugh, I'd walk around in a perpetual state of rage, and that's not very productive either.

I am well aware that the wacko-fundies are trying to take over the country. I'm fighting against that by speaking out, by planting my boot in my Senator's arse's when necessary, by adding my voice and my name to others via petitions, letters, etc. What are you doing? I'm not implying you are doing nothing; I would really like to know how you are fighting this, and the other issues that are threatening this country. Perhaps you are doing something that I had not thought of, that I could also do.

I will tell you this, though. I am not going to stop laughing. And, I am not going to stop fighting.

[Greyhound]

127. Relax, it was an off-hand comment on your apparent unconcern

for these freaks.

There was no judgment of your concern, your efforts, nor was there any implication that anything is/was your fault. I merely pointed out that what is so ridiculous it seems comical today, has a way of becoming reality, especially where religion is involved, if we don't take it seriously.

It is a discussion board, I believe.

[RazzleDazzle]

135. Methinks the lady doth protest too much

See my previous post.

Laughter can also be an immature coping mechanism. I'd forgotten about that until I saw your continued defense of words you now want to somehow disavow or render meaningless because they weren't taken in context of your whole body of work here at DU. (That ain't gonna fly, btw.) Jokes and a silly demeanor can be used when the jokester just isn't comfortable facing reality. Jokes and silliness deflect it, distract others from pursuing those lines of uncomfortalbe thought. Not saying this is true in your case, I don't know.

Nor is anyone "judging you" based on a single post. We're challenging the ATTITUDE (thoughts) expressed in that ONE POST. If you don't want your ideas and attitudes taken at face value post-by-post and challenged on that basis then you probably need to find some other way (or place) to express them.

[Oeditpus Rex]

96. Is *that* the price of freedom?

And all this time I thought it was dead people.

Paranoid much?

[Greyhound]

128. Not sure what you're talking about.

Killing people is the favorite pastime of humans, and we do it at every opportunity.
I felt the quote (forgot the quotation marks) was appropriate in this case, a warning not to simply discount the ravings of the seriously deluded, because they do have a way of creeping into reality.

[proud patriot]

2. LOL

:rofl: that contract is a doosey :wow:

[Brothaman2k]

3. Are you f*cking kidding?

Is there actually a woman alive that would be stupid enough to sign away her rights like that?

I got an idea. Any woman that signs this garbage should have her right to vote revoked. Not every woman, just her. It's about time we started thinning the heard when it comes to voting. No one dumb enough to sign over the rights given to her by the founding document of this country allowed.

And damn it, I wish these morons would stop envoking the name of my savior as a cover for their own stupidity!:mad:

[kiraboo]

12. Yep, my Catholic ex-neighbor.

Mother of four when she moved away three years ago, now 43 and mother of six. Had her daughters already prepared to subjegate themselves to their masters i.e. husbands. We actually had the discussion about the voting rights of women; she didn't see why women need a vote when they have husbands to vote for them. BTW, this woman was college-educated and had a thriving reconstructive dental practice. She didn't seem to see the disconnect between her beliefs and the life she led. I sure felt sorry for the kids.

[bliss_eternal]

71. ...I bet if militia men marched into her dental practice one

day and declared it closed, because women aren't allowed to have businesses she'd change her feeble mind...fast.

:mad: What a friggin' idiot!

[Branjor]

Not only women who sign that thing should have their right to vote revoked

Any MAN who promulgates that garbage should also have his right to vote revoked.

[Iris]

57. well, the man couldn't just "have" that vote. He can't vote twice.

So, I guess she'd just have to go in with a cheat sheet - which happens probably more than we want to think about.

[niyad]

4. this is un-freaking-believable--what the HELL are these people ON?

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

44. Religion...

MM...they're suffering from an overdose of religion!

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

46. What Post #4 said!!!

and I repeat
"this is un-freaking-believable--what the HELL are these people ON?"

Peace

Proud Members of Melonhawg Society

[Katherine Brengle]

5. Is that for real?

If not, good one!

If so, I am going to have to kill myself, immediately, if not sooner.

[Ladyhawk]

6. Sad thing is, some women will actually do this.

One of the first things I re-thought when I was a fundy was the issue of women's rights. I tried to talk to a fundy girlfriend of mine about our rights once I got my mind around the idea we should have them and she freaked out about it. Her father was a grade A "Asshole" much like my father.

It seemed to me (still does) that men aren't any smarter than I am. In fact, most of the ones I know are a helluva lot dumber (no offense, DU guys; I'm talking about right-wingers and fundies). I can think of only a couple of men whose intelligence I respect. That's pretty sad. I need to move someplace where there are smart men who are interested in learning and bettering themselves. The men here mostly think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter...and talk about DUMB. :eyes:

[brainshrub]

7. Since women have had the vote:

We've had two world wars, a depression, disco, Carrot Top and the Bush Administration.

Coincidence?

Were can I sign this wonderful petition?

[DBoon]

17. You have a point about carrot top

this person might be on to something after all....

[bliss_eternal]

72. I refuse to take responsibility for Carrot Top...

but thanks for making me laugh. :eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

106. Hey I like Carrot Top

He's a funny guy.

I'll go along with you on your other points though. Since I am a woman, would you sign the petition for me too? :)

[spindrifter]

8. This is actually an attempt to find the

dumbest women in America--hence the fax.

[The Traveler]

9. They are really trying hard

to implement a "Wayback Machine", aren't they?

Pathetic, neorotic wretches.

[Emit]

10. LOL. Did you see the signatory page?

http://htmlgear.tripod.com/guest/control.guest?u=fathersmanifesto&a=view&i=1003&r=http://fathers.ourfamily.com/19th.htm

Weird. And scary:

~snip~ ok, lets ee, feminests and women,... GET A @#%$! LIFE, you are NOT superior. if god exists he created women FROM MAN,... "created MAN in HIS own image" god is a MAN he created MAN only created women to please men, women are objects, property, toys, you arent people, so @#%$! off and die, you disgust me, this man is a genious, removing this unneeded amendment is a must and you need to rot it your hell because you have defied several gods by thinking you are superior...HA women...intelligent...superior...better than me...thats blasphemy, you make me laugh, you are lost in your own little misguided world. either god created man because god is a man, or it darwinism, DEAL WITH IT, man you are pathetic, men are far superior than ANY woman OR fag. who did the hunting the cooking the building shelter the arrangement of tribes the trading?...MEN DID you did nothing you women, all of you...were designed for ONE purpose, and one purpose alone, making more strong men, and occasionaly a girl to keep the human pop going...and dont @#%$! at me because im not wrong. you can say it all you want but unless i believe it, its just hogwash, bullshit, fairytales, etc. oh, and Have A Day ~snip~

And funny-Norm Coleman, MN. LOL.

A lot of posts claiming it's a "reverse psychology" site perpetrated by the feminists. A lot of women posting their concern and disdain:

~snip~ xD I sure as Hell hope this site's a joke.
Add a disclaimer saying so, or I'll hunt you down and skin you while you're still alive. Then I'll sacrfice you to like, the Goddess. ;3 ~snip~

[Emit]

14. LOL. Norm Coleman. St. Paul, MN.

[Iris]

58. "you can say it all you want but unless i believe it, its just hogwash,

bullshit, fairytales, etc. oh, and Have A Day ~snip~"


Yeah, well, Norm, this shit goes both ways!

[Coexist]

19. I knew Fred Phelps would be in there!

[Emit]

21. LOL, probably the real one, too. n/t

[Hello_Kitty]

27. How about this one?

ok, lets ee, feminests and women,... GET A @#%$! LIFE, you are NOT superior. if god exists he created women FROM MAN,... "created MAN in HIS own image" god is a MAN he created MAN only created women to please men, women are objects, property, toys, you arent people, so @#%$! off and die, you disgust me, this man is a genious, removing this unneeded amendment is a must and you need to rot it your hell because you have defied several gods by thinking you are superior...HA women...intelligent...superior...better than me...thats blasphemy, you make me laugh, you are lost in your own little misguided world. either god created man because god is a man, or it darwinism, DEAL WITH IT, man you are pathetic, men are far superior than ANY woman OR fag. who did the hunting the cooking the building shelter the arrangement of tribes the trading?...MEN DID you did nothing you women, all of you...were designed for ONE purpose, and one purpose alone, making more strong men, and occasionaly a girl to keep the human pop going...and dont @#%$! at me because im not wrong. you can say it all you want but unless i believe it, its just hogwash, bullshit, fairytales, etc. oh, and Have A Day



Looks like somebody has some anger issues.....:wow:

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. I think *somebody* is an asshole and an oxygen thief.

[Canuckistanian]

95. 'you have defied several gods by thinking you are superior...HA "

Ouch. He sure has me pegged.

[lukasahero]

49. Yeah, that's real fucking funny, isn't it?

Real women read DU every day. Real women read words that dismiss our very worth and humanity every day. Real women know that we are not human to some people and that some people are working really hard to force us to submit to their world view. Posts like this seem to be little more than another slap in the face of women as if it's funny and something to joke about.

I know for myself that I don't need more confirmation that there are people in this world who don't think I'm a real human being just because I'm a woman. But I'm sick to my soul at constantly having to read this hateful words, constantly having my humanity used to have a good laugh about what kind of hateful freaks exist in the world I live in.

Of course I suspect I'll get the rote answer, "if you don't like it, don't read it". All I'm hoping to accomplish with this post is to make people aware of how it feels to be a woman reading these hateful words day after day after day and maybe have us take them seriously and discuss what we can actually DO about it. Otherwise, what's the point of posting it if not to just stick our noses in it again and again and again?

[Emit]

53. I said weird, scary and

that the Norm Coleman one was funny. Chill, okay. It's not all funny.

I posted portions -- samples -- so others wouldn't have to go through and read them.

[ThoughtCriminal]

11. How far backward can we go?

Well, I did read a debate once at FweeWepubwik arguing that the 13th Amendment was illegal since the former Confederate states were not allowed to vote on ratification. All carefully research from magazine articles from the early 1950's.

[RazzleDazzle]

104. Tennessee wasn't part of the Confederacy?

What was it then? Part of the Union? Tennessee served as the last state needed to put women's suffrage over the top, and the last MAN to vote did so because his MOTHER had written him a letter asking him "to do the right thing."

[cynatnite]

13. on edit: The study by this prof is not there

It's been pulled from this site.

[walldude]

15. Here I have a better one

I as a woman, hold the power of creation. Without us there would be no men. There would be no human race at all. So if you assholes don't get your shit together and stop raping and pillaging this planet and the people in it then we will be happy to withold sex until you stop fucking around or until the human race dissapears forever SIGNED__________________________

Stupid fucking fundies have no clue....

[niyad]

26. lysistrata has always been my idea of sound strategy.

[walldude]

31. lysistrata???

I had to look it up. It's not in the dictionary. What does it mean? :toast:

[kestrel91316]

33. It's no fun if we tell you. Just google it! 8-D

[IdaBriggs]

77. Ancient Greek play where the women withheld sex until the men

quit hosting their stupid war. :) (Its quite funny -- the women aren't sure they can go without!)

[LostinVA]

80. That is so hysterical -- love that play!

[lildreamer316]

98. Suggested this a few months ago.

I'm all for it....as long as I have my toys.:evilgrin:

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

126. I ABSOLUTELY concur!

:headbang: :applause: :applause: :applause:

MMYou tell 'em, sisters!

MM"If you don't get your head out of YOUR ass, you'll never get any head, or any of MY ass!"

MMAny man who thinks this gynophobic sexist shit is funny, or cool, or manly, isn't man enough for any of MY sisters, and they'll be the first to tell him so!

MMCall it "The Lysistrata Method of Progressive Political Activism"! I LOVE IT!!!

[Whoa_Nelly]

16. Wrote to the guy

(am assuming it's a guy who thought this crap up...)

Subject line:
Why do you hate women?

Text:
The term for you is "misogynist".

Your petition shows your gender bias...and it is quite ugly.

Oh...wait..I get it! You're a Christian Reconstructionist! Bet you would want slavery to come back "in style", too.

[Telly Savalas]

18. That makes the Jabberwocky look like a logic textbook by comparison.

[northofdenali]

123. 'Twas brillig and the slithy toves

did gyre and gimbel in the wabe
All mimsy were the borogroves
and the mome wraths outgrabe...

No doubt. I think the Jabberwock would LOVE to get ahold of this idiot.

[rpannier]

20. Quite Odd...

I live in Korea and used to live in the Czech Rep. I have been to Japan, Italy and Greece. Women do vote in those countries. So...how is that their men have not been adversely affected by the women in those countries voting?

[niyad]

24. possibly because they don't have to deal with the fundie american

xian reichwingnuts?

[Coexist]

22. Does the paragraph below mean Christian women get no epidurals?

To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you", Genesis 3:16

[bobbieinok]

23. from comments at talk2action site where I found this link

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/3/20/103326/936

The Petition to Repeal The 19th Amendment
Is the The Petition to Repeal The 19th Amendment for real or a hoax?

by Joan Bokaer on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 04:37:05 PM EST

Unfortunately, it's real
I'm afraid it's quite real--admittedly, though, the site hosting aforementioned petition is a site promoting Christian Identity (up to and including promoting Holocaust revisionism and even proposing shipping every African-American out of the country). (As a note, the original petition drive may have started among the part of the dominionist community with close links to racists but has since spread.)

But yes, there's actually a movement to literally disenfranchise women (as in a de-suffrage movement):

--Talk forum calls for revoking 19th Amendment in context of abortion
--early attempts to challenge validity of 19th Amendment (similar examples are used by "tax protesters" in the "Christian militia" movement)
--report from feminist group on how movement to repeal 19th Amendment is being promoted by "father's rights" groups supported in dominionist community
--a secondary copy of the petition to repeal the 19th Amendment, dating from the late 1990's
--dominionist site essentially claiming that early advocates of Suffrage were devil worshippers (actually spiritualists, but spiritualism is explicitly equated with Satanism in most dominionist groups)
--article detailing history of "Father's Manifesto" (aka the petition) and its links to racist groups
--more info from a watchdog group which includes archives of the mailinglist for the writer of the "Father's Manifesto" (who is, as it turns out, active in dominionist groups including Promise Keepers)
--further posts by group which include threats against judges

Lest one think this opinion is a fringe opinion even among dominionists, several groups have not only stated husbands should tell their wives how to vote but--in the notable case of a dominionist "parent's ministry" operated by the Pearls that is now linked to the literal "death by chastening rod" of a child and the possible maiming of another--they have even flat out told a woman writing to their advice column that it is her husband's decision, not hers, whether she is to go on birth control.

Interestingly, at least one woman in public office who is known to be very friendly towards dominionist causes has claimed women should have their right to vote removed--a platform that would, ironically, leave her out of a job.

And no less than the Southern Baptist Convention has officially issued statements for women to "submit" to their husbands and their judgements; other groups more firmly into "dominion theology" tend to be worse with women literally having little say over anything.

by dogemperor on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 06:50:16 PM EST

(this post links to the various sites promoting the ideas)


Let's hold hands.....
In solidarity :
It is incumbent upon we few on this forum to draw this unavoidable conclusion - the war against abortion rights is the war against birth control is the war on the right of women to vote is the war against Democracy is the war against the Enlightenment is the war against science, modernity, and against human reason itself - whether that is God given or not.

Period.

by Bruce Wilson on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 08:44:06 PM EST

[kestrel91316]

34. The Dominionists are quite clear in their desire for a return to

"one family, one vote". And our USSC is being stacked with men I believe to be closet Dominionists: Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts. They only need one more and it's checkmate.

[Dem2theMax]

28. Okey doke. I've had enough.

I'm female. Will someone, male or female, (as long as it's legal,) from any country other than the US of A, please marry me and get me out of this insane country? :crazy:

[Swamp Rat]

35. May I suggest a little vacation to Brazil?

As soon as I am able, I am going to marry and become a Brazilian citizen. Once you go Brazilian, you never go back. ;) :D

[Dem2theMax]

41. I got all excited for a second.

I thought you were proposing that we move to Brazil - together! LOL.

[Canadian Socialist]

99. I'm female too! And single!

and Canadian! Come up here and I can marry you. Course, there'd be no sex as I'm straight. :rofl:

[TreasonousBastard]

29. Just how low have we sunk...

where this sort of nonsense can even be proposed?

[Oilwellian]

36. I wonder if...

Professor Lott studied under Strauss? What's up with the University of Chicago to have these freaks on their payroll?

[JHB]

67. See post 66 below

n/t

[Initech]

39. Ah, I see it now - it's not just Roe V. Wade these assholes are after...

It's the ninteenth amendment. The insanity never ends.

[geniph]

88. It's the entire 20th century they want to repeal

A lot of the neocon, dominionist, whackjob types will even tell you, in great detail, how the last "great era" of this country was the 1890s. The robber baron era.

They want to force the clock back to the 1890s in the WORST fucking way! Because, dontcha know, everything was PERFECT then...

...if you were a well-off white male, that is.

[NMMNG]

40. There are not sufficient words to describe how insane this is

Faulty premise, incomplete facts, total non-sequitur. They are merely relying on the ignorance born of Fundamentalism to put this one over on people.

[rpannier]

42. Self delete

[undergroundpanther]

43. Any woman that signs that piece of shit

Is a degenerate.A betrayer of freedom and womens rights.
Any male that would expect such a thing needs a swift kick in the nuts and hard enough so he can't impregnate his slave.We don't need any more zealot assholes making more assholes..

[LisaLynne]

56. It's probably like "Concerned Women for America" ...

made up of mostly men. Not that there aren't stupid women who would go along with this.

[bliss_eternal]

75. ...polygamists come to mind

and other fundies in the various forms they take. They love the old testament and it's many references to women being property, men thinking for them and their duties to men.

:puke:

[bobbieinok]

45. super sick site that supports this

http://christianparty.net/mf.htm

A small sample of 'facts' they cite to support this position:

....


Women voters subsidize single-mother households even though children in Mother-only Households are three times more likely to be fatally abused than in Father-only Households and even though the mothers' involvement decreases the likelihood of students' getting mostly 'A's by 32% and the fathers' involvement doubles it. (Single-mother households vs. single-father households)

Women voters demand more female pilots even though women pilots are four times more likely to crash than men pilots.

Women voters demand DUI laws which discriminate against men even though women drivers are two times more likely than men to have a fatal or injury accident.

Women voters pass numerous laws which intentionally and systematically discriminate against men and fathers.

Women voters pass tax laws which enable women as a group to pay zero percent of federal taxes.

Women voters demand "gender equality" in the workforce even though zero percent of American 12th grade girls correctly answered TIMSS math and physics questions.

Women voters pass laws reducing male college admissions to only 40% even though 98.5% of the top fiftieth percentile of GRE test takers are men.

Women voters implement affirmative action for women even though the negative contribution of one female employee in the workforce is equivalent to the positive contribution of 14 male employees and GDP per Capita decreases $2,450 for each one percent increase in the percent of the workforce which is women.

much more....

(original has links supposedly supporting these claims)

[Nikia]

97. You mean I don't have to pay federal taxes

Really, I had no idea. I guess that I should inform my HR person that I should not have federal taxes witheld since I am a woman.
Some of the other "facts" seem a little weird too. I'll have to check out the links.

[theHandpuppet]

47. Why are so many of you surprised?

During door-to-door voter registration drives I've run into many households like this, both in Virginia and West Virginia. Usually, in these instances if I was talking to the woman of the house, she would say, "I let my husband for for me" or "My husband votes for our house". But if there was a couple at home sometimes the woman didn't even get to speak. One Virginia man said, "I don't allow my woman to vote." Seeing as the woman was standing mute behind him, gripping the door jamb to the kitchen and looking like a bedraggled prisoner, I'm not surprised. Such encounters were not at all an uncommon experience.

If some of you really think a movement to get fundamentalist Christian women away from the ballot box is fantasy, think again. It won't even take the repeal of the 19th Amendment. All it takes are thousands of fundie preachers brainwashing millions of fundie households and entire elections could be assured for the GOP.

You can root out/circumvent voting machines but you can't do much about men and women who are being brainwashed in the name of the Lord. That's what the evangelical, neocon movement is counting on.

Reproductive choice today, our votes tomorrow. Women are in the crosshairs.

[Branjor]

54. I would go away.....

without registering the husband.

[theHandpuppet]

62. Never was a problem

The husband always claimed to be registered voter already.

[cbear70]

60. I was surprised until I read your post

Than I remembered going door to door for Kerry.. and hearing those exact words. I even got yelled at for daring to ask to speak to the woman of the house. He told me I have no right, he speaks for her and votes for her. This man lives just a couple of streets from me and I was shocked. Truly shocked. I ran across some more and was truly surprised that there are still women out there like this... just have no words.

This country is getting so very scary.. I don't even recognize america anymore.. is there any hope??

[theHandpuppet]

63. Yep, to anyone who's done door to door registration drives...

... especially in red states, these encounters are not at all uncommon.

The key is in the empowerment of girls, to encourage girls from birth to value their worth as individuals. But too many girls are raised from birth to believe they are nothing without a man.

[lukasahero]

64. Not exactly - the key is in the education of both genders

Women like me grew up "empowered" only to find ourselves living in a world where only we were taught we could do anything. It didn't work. Boys need to be taught the same thing so that they change their expectations.

Seriously, women in these homes where the men tell them how to vote are only half of the equation. The men who are telling them are the other half.

[theHandpuppet]

69. I stand corrected

You are absolutely right -- boys need to be taught not only respect for women, but that all people, regardless of gender, race or religion, are equals. Why is that such a hard lesson for humans to learn?

[Iniquitous Bunny]

50. In the words of Susan B. Anthony,

"I always distrust people who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows."

:scared:

[dogday]

55. I don't have a penis

therefore I am nothing...............Fuck that!!!!

[Iris]

59. Men have no personal savings because women vote?

What's up with that?

[DelawareValleyDem]

61. Something ain't right here

A professor from "Law School University", a bogus fax number and a vote delegation form that couldn't possibly be enforced. What's going on?

[JHB]

66. John Lott was with the Univ. of Chicago Law School, but not anymore...

Now he's a "resident scholar" at ...wait for it... the American Enterprise Institute!

Yes, Neocon Central!

http://www.aei.org/scholars/scholarID.38/scholar.asp

"Lott studies crime, antitrust, education, gun control, campaign finance, and voting and legislative behavior. He is the author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws. "

Read here for "John Lott’s unethical conduct"
http://timlambert.org/lott
John Lott is embroiled in several controversial affairs:

*****he almost certainly fabricated a mysterious survey and certainly behaved unethically in making claims for which he had no supporting data
*****he presented results purporting to show that “more guns” led to “less crime” when those results were the product of coding errors
*****he pretended to be a woman called “Mary Rosh” on the internet in order to praise his own research and accuse his critics of fraud.
*****he probably was the person who anonymously accused Steve Levitt of being “rabidly antigun”
(lots more)

[HamdenRice]

68. WHAT THE FU*K is up with THAT GUY'S EYBROWS!

I mean, I think everything you need to know about him is in those eybrows: John Lott, the lost bastard son of David Ferrie:





On edit:
Jeez, now that I posted this, this is really creeping me out! They actually do look like long lost father and son!

[bloom]

90. "The highest teaching title... is assistant professor @ U of Pennsylvania"

Just the sort of people that Cspan, etc. gives a platform to.


"Lott is also a staunch gun-rights advocate and the author of the book More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (University of Chicago Press, 1998), which relies on disputed research. Lott's study, which is based on his survey of more than 2,000 households, indicated that guns are used for self-defense several million times each year.

...But as the January 23, 2003, Washington Times article noted, "Lott cited no source for that statistic in the first edition of More Guns, Less Crime," and after questions were raised, "in the second edition he wrote that he had conducted his own survey."

When questions were raised on Internet weblogs as to the source and validity of Lott's claims, Lott created "Mary Rosh" -- a supposed female former student of Lott's -- to defend him. According to an article in the December 2003 issue of Washington Monthly, "Someone named 'Mary Rosh' started turning up on Web sites where Lott's work was being discussed, claiming to be a former student of the embattled academic and defending him vigorously. Some Web loggers investigated and couldn't find any student of his by that name. Eventually, Lott admitted that he himself was 'Mary Rosh.'"

Lott also embellished his credentials while testifying before the Judiciary committee of the Nebraska Legislature in 1997, referring to himself as "a professor at the University of Chicago Law School" when he was actually "a law and economics fellow," according to his American Enterprise Institute biography. The highest teaching title he has earned is assistant professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410250001

[JHB]

101. Nice Racket, if you can get it

But then, AEI isn't the kind of place you'd find REAL scholars, no matter what they call the people on their payroll...

[Redstone]

65. John Lott is a fucking lunatic gun-nut psychopath.

Redstone

[northofdenali]

125. Redstone, tell us how you REALLY feel!

:hi: Your posts always make me feel like we've got some great hard-asses on our side!

[Redstone]

132. Thank you. How's the weather up there?

Redstone

[northofdenali]

133. It's actually really nice out.

Above zero, anyway!

[bliss_eternal]

70. Um,...could we vote this up, please...

as many as possible should see this.

[theHandpuppet]

78. Done!

A few more votes please?

[bliss_eternal]

81. Thank you!

:hi:Your post above reminded me of the new show on HBO, Big Love about polygamists. A comment the husband (of three wives) made on this week's show, mirrored your encounters when out canvassing for Kerry.

That's so sad to me...

[Nikki Stone 1]

73. Spending went up after 1917 b/c the West was competing with Moscow

Western governments had to throw some bones to their populations to prevent a worldwide revolution to some form of communism. That was a real fear: the Russian revolution sent shockwaves through the West.

Now that communism is "destroyed", the dismantling of government programs and formerly progressive laws is the next step.

[sable302]

74. Just a small point

He's comparing the 'degenerate' USA with Japan, and blaming our problems on women voting. But, don't women vote in Japan also? So what's his point?

Just sayin'

On edit, it's gotta be a prank. There's no other explanation.

[ProfessorGAC]

76. Dunno!

I don't see Catholic women, Presbyterian women, Luteran women, Jewish women, and Muslim women buying into this, even if they vote conservative. Then, we've got the whole group of women like those here at DU.

I think this is doomed to be a non-starter.
The Professor

[Ufomammut]

79. "Submissive woman of God?"

Wow...

I know women who, if propositioned with this, would wipe up the floor with the fuckwit who presented it.

[bliss_eternal]

82. Don't get me started...

...another reason I distanced myself from traditional christianity and churches. I had a male friend that informed me that it is stated in the bible that when a woman marries her body is her husband's and god's.

I'm not shitting you...

He and I are no longer friends, btw. :eyes:

[Ufomammut]

83. Another line of BS is the...

"woman was created to be man's helper" song and dance.

Talk about patronizing.

[Inland]

84. There should be line for her husband/father to sign as consent, right? nt

[glitch]

85. And for bonus - they're heavily involved in voting machine corporations

because they know they'd never succeed in a legitimate democracy.

[Ufomammut]

86. With the press of the magic, candy-like button....

And Presto... instantaneous self-imprisonment!

[Jack Rabbit]

87. It sounds like post hoc reasoning (because it is)

The Nineteenth Amendment caused government spending to skyrocket, which converted the United States, its Constitution, and its Bill of Rights, into a totalitarian state.

And this little tidbit:

Until the Nineteenth Amendment is repealed, Christian women are invited to sign the following proxy statement, file it with their local county recorder, and fax the signed statement to 866 721 5995

I didn't know that had fax machines before 1920, did you? Wow, that's news to me.

If a woman wants to sign such a statement and put it on record with her church or any place else, there is nothing in the Nineteeth Amendment to prevent that.

[geniph]

89. I think any man who is named in such a document

should automatically be investigated for spousal abuse. Just sayin'...

[mcscajun]

92. HA! Lucky I wasn't drinking anything when I read that "proxy statement"

:rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:  

Too funny!

:rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:  

Seriously...it's got the funniest juxtaposition of phrases I've seen in ages: "...as a submissive woman of God, and of sound mind..."

Cognitive Dissonance Overload Alert!

It gets even funnier if you follow the link. Here are some disjointed "arguments" in support of repeal:

"Only 12% of men and 9% of women support such "liberal" concepts as the Nineteenth Amendment."

Oh yeah? Prove it!

"American 12th grade girls demonstrate zero percent knowledge of physics."

Hmmm...and even if that Were True, (which I Seriously Doubt -- certainly SOME 12th grade girls are potentially ignorant of physics, but certainly NOT All) just WHAT Does THAT Have to do with voting?

[leeroysphitz]

94. How could any woman make this statement PUBLICKLY?

Is "Women for God's Law" a publick organization, or pryvet? Hoo boy... fundies more fun than watching two monkeys trying to copulate with a football.

[JerseygirlCT]

102. Yeah, being in jail couldn't be linked to um, committing a crime

now could it?

Has to be those uppity women.

[izzybeans]

105. When someone uses the phrase American Taliban it

would not be inaccurate for these assholes.

I did a google search for the phrase "Women for God's Law". Thankfully my search for Izzybeans has more hits.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Women+for+God%27s+Law%22&hl=en&lr=&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-19,RNWE:en&filter=0

[proud2BlibKansan]

108. Check out the signatures on this page

http://htmlgear.tripod.com/guest/control.guest?u=fathersmanifesto

Rick Santorum
[e-mail]

Harry Genitals, Esq
[e-mail]

Limp Dick Republican

Woman Ashamed

If this wasn't intended as a joke, it has sure turned into one.

:rofl:

[wordpix2]

130. LOL!

[wordpix2]

131. "[e-mail]" hahahaha

[Breeze54]

111. OMG!! lmao!! Did you see the signatories?? lol

Tuesday 03/21/2006 4:25:12pm
Name: Rick Santorum
E-Mail: [e-mail]
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Phone Number: 800-666-6666
City LaLa Land, Pennsylvania
---------------------------
Tuesday 03/21/2006 10:23:11am
Name: Harry Genitals, esq
E-Mail: [e-mail]
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Phone Number:
City Alpharetta, GA
Comments: Thank God someone has found a way to neuter those lousy women. Now we need an amendment
to keep them in the kitchen and spitting out my little white babies like a Pez dispenser.
Now I must go. God instructs me to fondle myself.
------------------------
Monday 03/20/2006 6:45:28pm
Name: Limp Dick Republican
E-Mail: [e-mail]
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Phone Number:
City
Comments: I'm an impotent republican male. I hate women because I'm weak.
REPEAL WOMEN'S VOTING RIGHTS!
--------------------
:rofl: :rofl:

[sellitman]

116. Ok boys and girls....ITS A FREAKING JOKE.

It's not real.

Get it?

Shhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeezzzz!

[xmas74]

117. What the fuck is this?

Fuck this shit! I'm a Christian woman and all I can say is FUCK!

This boggles the mind. I'm no ones submissive b*tch. As a single mother, who would get my voting rights? My father or my brother?

This is the most idiotic shit I've ever read!

(BTW-thanks for this. I'm so pissed right now that I'll have to wash my own mouth out w/ soap before kissing my kid!)

[northofdenali]

122. My husband would (a) laugh his ass off and/or

(b) have me committed.

edited to add: and I'd agree with him. What a crock.

[Marie26]

124. Misogynistic junk nt

[wordpix2]

129. mysogenist wet dream