"liberals are hoping for the worst in Iraq"

[quinnox]

Have you heard this, some republicans say liberals and those on the left are hoping for the worst outcome in Iraq, a full scale civil war, which would cause Bush and the republicans in even deeper trouble than they already are in now over Iraq.

My response is no, I don't hope for the worst, but I expect the worst! There is a big difference between them. And the bloody happenings in Iraq that is in the news everyday doesn't help the republicans case. That is a reality that they seem to overlook and want to ignore.

Yea, sure, I would like the Iraq situation to resolve itself peacefully and they turn into a good Democracy but that is more than likely a pipe dream thought of by republicans.

[Coexist]

1. yeah, I always pray for more war dead, right after my weekly abortion

ya' know, just for kicks.

[johnnie]

2. And when the civil war really heats up

They will blame the left for "hoping" too hard I'm sure. Us nasty libs and our evil hoping magic.

[IsItJustMe]

3. I've heard that over and over again by Repukes, why do I have to hear it

again. Damn it. Is there no sanctity on a liberal blog? Is there no place to go without hearing this shit?

[bunkerbuster1]

4. Been hearing it since the damn war started.

They're simpletons, and they assume that their opposites are simpletons as well.

[Lefty-Taylor]

5. Here's my LTTE I've submitted regarding this very issue ...

in response to the ill-bred lout, right-wing nut columnist in The Oregonian who plays the liberals-want-Iraq-failure card:

Don't Insult War Opponents

No doubt I’m not the only Oregonian reader who noticed just who David Reinhard’s
sources were in his assertion that Iraq is not plunging into civil war ("Are we
losing an unwinnnable, unjustified war?" 3/19/06). Next time, he wants to
advance such an implausible argument he’d be better off to quote someone other
than his two ultra-right-wing sources – Ralph Peters on realclearpolitics.com
and Victor Davis Hanson with The Hoover Institution on National Review Online.
But then, more moderate voices with that view are nearly impossible to come by.

What’s more, these were the same sort of mouthpieces who helped propagate the
lies that led to this immoral – and yes, likely “unwinnable” – war. And of
course, it’s civil war. The two major factions fighting it and killing innocents
everyday have held centuries-long ethnic and religious differences. Many of us
who opposed the “shock-and-awe” bombings and bloodbath that followed expected
this would happen.

Finally, despite Mr. Reinhard’s supposition that war opponents relish Iraq-war
failures, most of wish for a successful peace. It’s an insult for him to suggest
otherwise.

[quinnox]

10. very good letter

I agree fully.

[Lefty-Taylor]

20. Thanks Q. We'll see if they run it.

[Atman]

6. "some republicans say liberals and those on the left are hoping for ..."

SOME SAY?

Which ones? The straw ones?

We've spent all morning bashing Bush's straw man tactics...it doesn't help us if we resort to the same stuff here.

Some say? Which ones? Be specific, not Bushific.

[physioex]

11. Well....

"some liberals hope that most of america will come to its senses"....

[quinnox]

15. Oh, this has been around for awhile

I've heard this talking point from the right wingers on tv a few times.

[Atman]

19. Hey, I don't deny it is being said

I've heard it myself, and I am sure a thorough search would yield some of my one posts utilizing the "some say" straw man tactic. My point is that right now, today, the last couple of days, Bush's straw man building has been in the news. Therefore, it can only help our own arguements if we avoid such generalities and whenever possible, stick to demonstrable facts backed up with names.

[Flying Dream Blues]

29. My own sister said it to me right after the heady "success"

of "Shock and Awe"...."I guess the DEMOCRATS are sorry more people (meaning, US soldiers, not Iraqis, who clearly don't count in repuke-world) didn't DIE."

I lost my breath, my knees went weak, and then I basically took her head f'ing OFF. I was well and truly sick of biting my tongue and taking the high road to keep the peace and make my mom happy.

How could we have been raised in the same family?? I'll never know.

[sui generis]

7. that doesn't make any sense at all

Liberals don't want the war BECAUSE of the financial cost and the cost in human lives. Liberals Want a civil war is just another stupid thing for stupid people to say.

I'd tell them that.

[smoogatz]

8. Tell them we try not to indulge in wishful thinking

unlike Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Condie and the rest of the idiot cabal that got us into this mess.

[warrens]

9. We tikd the stupid, incompetent fucks this would happen

Fuck off, pig boys. You're not smart enough to vote. Admit it and we might stop taunting you.

[sutz12]

12. I thought the worst was already happening..

don't have to wish, it came about just like anybody with any sense knew it would from the beginning.

[Zenlitened]

13. Republicans have COMPLETELY fucked up the situation in Iraq...

... regardless of what liberals may or may not hope for.

Bush bungled Iraq. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. So when the worst happens, it will be the liberals fault.

[long_green]

23. it's an interesting admission when looked at that way

they know it's falling to pieces so let's get ready to start blaming people.

[mitchtv]

26. You'll find Clenis somewhere in that

rogues gallery of the guilty

[asjr]

16. Republicans will say those things, because

that is all they have. I am so ashamed to have been a Republican at one time. I was an Eisenhower Republican. He was an American. I don't know what Republicans are these days except clueless. They have become rabid wolves who prey on the rest of us. This country is more divided now than ever before. I can remember my great-grandfather telling me about the Civil War and how even states were divided. He remembered the army (and I can't remember if it was the Union army or the Confederate army) coming to his house and conscripting his father. That was the last he ever saw him and he was 10 years old. We do have the most corrupt regime ever now. It will only get worse. Even if Shrub is impeached we are left with Cheney. This administration gave us tax cuts for the wealthy, an energy program for big oil companies, a deficit we may never overcome, an illegal war, a prescription drug program for seniors that may kill us, lies and more lies. How in hell did this happen!!

[Initech]

17. Just another bullshit Limbaugh talking point.

Rule #1 - when things go bad in Iraq (or everything else for that matter), blame the liberals.

[C_U_L8R]

18. Liberals just wish

that these conservative crooks
would stop fucking everything up.

Do we have to clean up ALL your messes ????

Geez... i always wondered what conservatives
actually conserved... now I see...
it's intelligence and integrity.
they conserved so much.. they have NONE.

[cboy4]

21. AWWWW...Are the widdle republicans going to take their ball home and cry?

:shrug: :cry: :rofl:

[Warpy]

22. "What a hateful, unchristian thing to say! You should be ashamed

of yourself!"

Then walk away.

It gets to them. Trust me on this.

[Emit]

24. Yes, I hear it frequently. Warning: Puke alert here

Sorry, had to post this as testimony to my frustration with the messages these fanatics spew. But this one irks me to no end. What is it with these people? Most of this is just plain drivel. But this is your neighbor, your boss, co-worker, the school bus driver, whatever. This is that 30% that will support Bush & Co. no matter.

Three Year War in Review

Today I reflect back and think how proud I am to be an American! I think about how close we came to having a Democrat run this country in a time of war. These people are not loyal and would have made a disaster of the war in Iraq.

After voting for the war (including Democratic control in the Senate at the time), the first month of being in Iraq the Democrats were already calling it a "quagmire." They wanted out. These are the same people that argued that Kerry was not a flip-flopper. I'm sure they couldn't have stayed the course in Afghanistan either. Little things scare them and they have no loyalty to America, what it stands for, or the people that make up this great country. When things get a little tough they want to cut and run like cowards. Make no mistake about it, they are cowards and not patriotic.

~snip~

The Democrats always question their decisions. They decided what we should do then with great fanfare told us why we should go to war, then voted on it, but when WMD wasn't found, they were ready to abandon Iraq. Yeah, we got the answer. Even if they had WMD and we destroyed all of it, why in the world would we leave? Only to a Democrat does that make sense and that is the very reason they can't be trusted to run this country.

~snip~

If we elected Democrats today, they would turn their back on our allies, let Iran build nukes and attack whom ever they wish and when that time would occur, as it certainly would, America would be taken down to their knees but this time it wouldn't be students but a direct nuclear threat to much more than just a few World Trade center buildings.

I think it is so easy to see the quality of the character where the Democrats have evolved. These are not decent people as a whole. They couldn't or wouldn't protect the country. They would allow our troops to leave and watch the slaughter of every Iraqi that ever helped an American, got paid by an American or supported America in any way. That is their loyalty and speaks volumes of their decency. This is why they were so quickly to defend Clinton as they really don't understand quality of an individual. A persons integrity, decency, loyalty, respect are all tied together. They are the first to pretend they care about the safety of troops in Iraq. Those old enough to remember the Vietnam war know this self-serving claims all too well. Ditto the little children and women of Iraq. We abort so many children in the USA in one year that our troops would have to stay in Iraq for 1,951 years to suffer the same number of fatalities. Half of these abortions happening for the second time and many happening for the "fifth" time. And what happens, they go nuts with fear that one of these qualified Supreme Court justices will be put on the court that won't legislate from the bench.

~snip~

We should think our lucky stars that George Bush is our president. The war could have gone better but we know for a fact it would have been a terrible disaster if they would have be leading this war.

~snip~

Democrats are not to be trusted; are dangerous for America; have only their self-serving interest as priority; and has been shown to be weak on defense for decades. We can not let these people get elected to any of our governmental position. It is imperative for our survival and for this great nation's survival to vote them out of office. Do all you can to stop these tramps from getting any power at any level of our government.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=51130

Again, I'm sorry for posting the above filth, which is what my response was to this person's hate speech prolix: "filth"

But, I always think it's wise to know what the opposition looks like.

[NoPasaran]

25. Liberals can only "hope for the worst"

Neocons can actually ensure it!

[madrchsod]

27. it was always the worst since they decided

to invade iraq. anyone who had a decent knowledge of the iraq knew that this "mission" was doomed. shit his dad knew it...

[Call me Deacon Blues]

28. What the hell difference does it make WHAT I want?

I want a Z-4. I want world peace. I want the New York Yankees to stink it up every season. I want Kate Beckinsale waiting for me when I get home. And Kiera Knightly. It doesn't matter a hoot in hell what I want -- what I may or may not want has no effect whatsoever on what's going on in Iraq. They're just trying, once again, to cloud the issue so they don't have to face the fact that they and their dry drunk President is responsible for every dead Marine, every dead child, every dead mother, every dead father, every ruined life, every ruined city, every ruined economy that has occurred on his watch.

Idiots.

[Arugula Latte]

30. We told them it would be a disaster. They didn't listen.

Now they look to deflect blame. Fuck 'em all.

[Donkeykick]

31. WOW!

Didn't know that wishing could make the left take control of policy making in Washington. :eyes: