It's not about Repugs vs Dems but Hawks vs Doves

[LunaC]

In the 1970s the neo-conservatives in the Democratic Party grouped themselves into the Coalition for a Democratic Majority (CDM) to bring the Democratic Party "back to the center". The CDM's two leading lights in Congress were the Democratic Senators Henry "Scoop" Jackson and Patrick Moynihan. It was these two Senators' offices that spawned the Leo Straussian PNACers behind today’s no-exit Iraq War. The CDM was succeeded in the 1990s by the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and Jackson remains the model for the DLC crowd today.

PNAC and the DLC are cut from the same cloth so it's really not about Repugs vs Dems but Hawks vs Doves. Remember this the next time you cast a vote for a candidate.

Scoop Jackson's protégés shaping Bush's foreign policy (Requires free registration)
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=jackson12m&date=20040112&query=Scoop+Jackson%27s+prot%E9g%E9s+shaping+Bush%27s+foreign+policy

Snippet from article if opposed to registration:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/15/201851/101

Will the Real "New Democrats" Please Stand Up?
http://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/winter2001/hayward.html

[Orsino]

1. It's Mets fans vs. Cubs fans, as far as the media are concerned.

A baseball team can have losing season after losing season, but the diehard fans will remain, and won't pay much attention to statistics documenting their team's poor performance.

As long as Americans view politics as a team sport, they will always root for "their" side, even when doing so is demonstrably against their interests. Give us politicians who address actual issues that affect the way working Americans live, and we stand a chance of framing a debate that can actually be settled. If not, all we'll hear in response will be the usual rah-rah nonsense more appropriate to the stadium than the town hall--and the talking heads will delight in stirring up meaningless bickering.

[LunaC]

3. Voting against our best interests

Another poster is thinking along those same lines.......

"Is it really all about winning or is it about getting policies we want?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x726922

[Cults4Bush]

2. Seems pretty solid to me. Of course I'd expect an apologist to come

and invalidate any and all experiences you may have had regarding either the CDM or DLC. You see, what you think doesn't matter... what you believe doesn't matter.. what is in your heart form hard won personal experience doesn't matter either. Winning is the only thing that matters, no matter if any of the things you were hoping would change actually happen or not.

At least that is the only impression Ive gotten from their defenders here on this board.

[LunaC]

4. Then the apologists are just Hawks

who haven't come out of the closet yet, though they'll be loathe to admit it.

[stray cat]

5. Where do populists fit in that 2 party system

[frustrated_lefty]

7. Silly question. They're the quails.

[Ufomammut]

6. Lends credence to the idea that...

Among the populace, it boils down to what degree do people buy into the hawks propaganda/justification that serves as a cover story for an ulterior agenda. That, unfortunately, with regards to the phony "war on terror," applies to many, many dems.

[leftstreet]

8. kick