Bev Harris burned her source

[Kelvin Mace]

I just caught this news story about Stephen Heller, the fellow facing felony charges for revealing that Diebold broke the law in California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/18/state/n073150S99.DTL

This graf leaps right off the screen:

Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting, told investigators that Heller met her in a Ventura County park in early 2004 and gave her the documents. She turned them over to the secretary of state and the Oakland Tribune.

Why in God's name did she reveal the source of the documents? This is a women who styles herself as an "investigative journalist", yet she burns the source of critical information about "her" story.

She TOLD the investigators who her gave the documents and now he is facing jail. And yes, she is supposedly donating $10,000 to his defense (though I require more evidence than Bev's word), but this does not change the fact that she screwed this guy by revealing his name.

This is just unforgivable.

I await the people who have lectured me about how Bev "has done so much for this movement" to explain to me how allowing a confidential source to be charged with three felonies will encourage other people to trust her or the movement.

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[liberalnurse]

2. Yea, we all have been waiting for

the finale of Bev's looting activist. :popcorn:

[supernova]

9. Can I share your popcorn?

:popcorn:

I feel bad for the guy. It's truly amazing to me that people continue to work with her.

[mopinko]

27. popcorn for me, too?

this is the only kind i can eat. the real kind upsets my guts. i don't miss it that much, except for moments like this.

[VolcanoJen]

54. Munch, munch, munch.

:popcorn:

[Sydnie]

200. Just in time for an early evening snack I see

[Crazy Guggenheim]

214. Hey everyone move over. How ya doing?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[HereSince1628]

3. Ah, Bev, when pushed she sings like a saprano!

A bad person involved in an important cause.

[Kelvin Mace]

6. If I had a dime for every time Bev cried to me

that other people were going to do this to her...

[Boredtodeath]

17. I wonder what her daughter

the reporter at the LA Times thinks of her mother's behavior?

[HereSince1628]

31. It'd be funny except that it makes it harder to convince whistleblowers

to come forward. And without the whistleblowers the votes will almost certainly cnotinue to be vulnerable to being stolen.

[EFerrari]

47. Exactly. Can she do no harm that is not exponentially damaging?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

[Generic Other]

114. Was he getting close to some of that Quit Tam money she's got dibs on?

You are so right about her antics. She gets the media attention long enough to look really lame. I agree, you shouldn't rat out a source.

[EFerrari]

190. If he's charged with leaking, his leak is her evidence.

Her case is made.

Pretty neat, really.

:puke:

[The Backlash Cometh]

194. Where's Maddy McCall?

I owe her an apology.

[Kelvin Mace]

198. Haven't see her in a bit

Try PMing her.

[Zhade]

206. Good for you for admitting that! Takes principles to do so.

:toast:

[Maddy McCall]

265. No you don't.

So we argued and debated over that topic. No hard feelings at all. :hug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

267. I am not worthy.

I bow to your greater judgement.

[SmokingJacket]

201. She does this kinda thing so often...

you'd think she was TRYING to f*** up the whole enchilada...

[Kelvin Mace]

247. The important thing is to keep

anyone else from trusting her with sensitive information.

[mzmolly]

260. She needs to disassociate herself from this cause and turn over

BBV to someone competent who has some credibility left.

[Kelvin Mace]

263. She will NEVER do that

Her ego won't let her. This is all about her, it has never been about the movement.

[loudsue]

88. True, that!! But it keeps her "employed" as long as the elections

are controversial. She's a sick, sick person.

:kick:

[Boredtodeath]

4. Yep, she couldn't burn him fast enough

After all, it meant Diebold would settle that lawsuit faster!

[Boredtodeath]

5. Recommend!

Put it on the front page so other whistleblowers don't get burned by this woman.

[Minnesota Libra]

7. Reveal the source then.......

.....follow that by demeaning the source, and follow all that by killing the story. I can't believe republicans would ever do something like this, I am truly :wow: :sarcasm:

[benburch]

10. Actually, she says she's a Libertarian. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Yeah, that's the new song

Her claim to be in tight with George didn't go over well.

[LittleClarkie]

171. That would explain what she was doing over at Free Republic for a while

I could never understand why they didn't ban her.

[EFerrari]

188. They didn't ban her because she was enabling the smear

of Andy Stephensen and his supporters.

[LittleClarkie]

192. I know. I saw those posts when I did a search

How did she get so... Nixonian?

[EFerrari]

193. She's not consistent enough to compare with anything.

She'd sell you if you sat down for five minutes.

[Zhade]

209. She helped KILL ANDY.

I will NEVER forgive that lying freeper for that.

[EFerrari]

216. Yes she did and neither will I. n/t

[Minnesota Libra]

61. OK subsitute republican with neocon and the main point stands nt

[EFerrari]

108. It sure does. n/t

[benburch]

8. Bev Harris is not a person I would trust.

And where, oh where is the accounting for her non-profit organization?

I can find no accounting for group.

Did she not file IRS papers?

I know she never paid withholding tax for Andy Stephenson's time working for her, and never sent him a W2.

She took in like a MILLION dollars and has not filed and tax paperwork on it that I can find.

And Andy Stephenson told me, before he died, that she commingled her funds and BBV's funds and spend whatever she wished on herself, and that she had no personal checking account!

[supernova]

11. The IRS ought to catch that

Sheesh, she's just crazy.

Unfortunately, it denegrates the entire topic of BBV.

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Tell me about it.

I was at a forum on e-voting last night with a liberal author who is VERY responsive to this topic. He said every time he talk to reporters, Bev's name comes up as one example of why the press isn't taking the topic seriously.

[supernova]

29. Aww, what a shame!

Is there somebody who can take that ball away from her.

Hint, Hint. :D I'm looking at you KM. :D

[troubleinwinter]

221. Yes, my county elections officer told me

that evry elections office in Calif. has seen Bev in action in person, and they think she is a complete crackpot, and that she is doing HARM to the movement. "Mission Accomplished". Fuck you, Bev.

[EFerrari]

237. Wow. I wish you would elaborate in an OP. And not because

I hate that woman but because we need to know what we're up against and how to get our message across.

And because I hate that woman. :evilgrin:

So good to see ya.

:)

[troubleinwinter]

269. There isn't that much to elaborate on....

I know her socially. I talked to her at a social event last summer. I said, "Bev Harris...." You should have SEEN the look on her face! As though I'd just emptied a gunnysack of steaming shit on the floor.

She told me that all of the top California elections officials do get together for conferences, and that she had just returned from one, that they are all familiar with Bev, have seen her antics, and that BH ruins the credibility of the movement.

My friend was pissed, because she supports PAPER BALLOTS. I asked her about random recounts. She said that our county always does random recounts. I asked, "Truly random?" She said truly random, and on top of that, if ANY citizen calls the office with a concern over ANY precinct, they hand recount that one too, no matter how long it takes. She is one of the "good guys" and was upset and concerned about the damage that Bev causes by destroying the credibility of the movement with her insane antics, making it harder for the officials who oppose the machines to convince the others.

[EFerrari]

270. Oh geeze.

That's exactly what people were dreading.

:(

[troubleinwinter]

271. Andy pointed out to us

that not all elections officials are the "bad guys", that some ARE ON OUR SIDE and that we must support and work with them, not alienate them. But Bev has managed to do just exactly that.... alienate the elections officials who would support our cause and work for paper ballots and truly random recounts among their peers.

Fuck Bev.

[Kelvin Mace]

273. Any mention of her name and

reporters and election officials roll their eyes and tune you out.

As you see, some election officials ARE honest, sincere people. They don't appreciate people giving them the patented "Bev Harris anal reaming"

[Kelvin Mace]

248. In NC we managed to get through

three months of committee hearings and never mentioned her name once.

[Kelvin Mace]

13. BTW, Ben

Do you by chance have the rcording of her last appearance in Randi Rhodes?

[benburch]

19. I should have it.

Any clues as to what the date was?

[Kelvin Mace]

24. December 2004

after she posted she had fired Andy, which was the 14th if memory serves.

[benburch]

33. I believe that is in the archives.

http://server2.whiterosesociety.org/content/rhodes/ <--- ALL here.

[mdmc]

196. kick for later review

[LuCifer]

41. Oh I remember that...

...and wasn't Bev being a bitch to Randi?! Like she didn't call in when she was supposed to, or something like that.

Lu

[Hekate]

224. Has Randi ever had anyone ELSE on to talk about electronic voting?

If Randi Rhodes and others on Air America come to understand the issue of e-voting and of Bev Harris's dubious role in combating it -- especially that this is not just some trivial snit-fit -- couldn't she/they help the cause by hosting more credible activists?

Sorry if that's a run-on sentence. I only listen to the radio when I'm driving the car on errands, so my connection to Air America is spotty at best. But I like Randi, and I loved her on Lou Dobbs yesterday.

Hekate

[EFerrari]

233. That's a really good question. n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

249. Not to my knowledge

She does mention the machines can't be trusted, but she has never had any one else on discussing the issue.

This is yet another of Bev's legacy, we are persona non grata there and on Oberlmann.

[lonestarnot]

14. Geeze, I didn't know Andy worked for Bev.... now I sort of

understand the hostility. I am way out of the loop on this.

[Kelvin Mace]

20. Here you go

can't keep up with the attrocities wihtout a score card.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

[lonestarnot]

34. Thanks Kelvin Mace... bookmarking for home reading tonight.

[Kelvin Mace]

38. You'll need lots popcorn, extra butter

[lonestarnot]

70. Yes, well stocked!

[lala_rawraw]

210. All I can say is...

When she first came on the scene, I tried to interview her. I left msg after msg and she never phoned me or emailed me back. So I dropped it. Then I watched her tell people that no one in the media was interested in taking this on. So I called and called again, nada. Then she went after Andy big time and for that she lost all credibility not just an advocate, but as a human. Finally, when one of my writers wrote an article about Dieb throat, bev left comments trying to discredit the story. My take? She is a shill working to make the voting reform movement look like a bunch of scammers. There is no way to explain this type of unprofessional and unethical behavior.

[troubleinwinter]

222. "She is a shill" BINGO!

"There is no way to explain this type of unprofessional and unethical behavior." Ahhhh... but you just did.

[fearnobush]

232. When the Poll tapes never showed up, I figured her to be spy.

A spy working to discredit Andy's work while leading everyone down a bunch of empty rabbit holes. The attacks on Andy were just too coordinated to be just a bunch of random jerks, they were meant to crush the truth as well as his life. Bev is a part of them, always was, always will be. Andy was a warrior and a early casualty of the beginning of the new American Revolution. God bless his soul.

[Kelvin Mace]

250. When I first started working with her and the issue heated up

(around the Spring of 2003) she started using me to answer her press queries. She was VERY BAD about answering her phone messages and email. She would use my phone number and email address as contact info, telling people to "contact my publisher", then "contact my assistant", then later "contact my co-author" (I preferred "contributing author").

I would answer questions and arrange interviews, calling her before radio interviews to make sure she was ready and had remembered.

This was fine until the Fall of 2003 when the Diebold DMCA abuse started, then all of a sudden I was trying to "usurp her standing" and was told point blank that I wasn "not to talk to the press" that she would. So, I passed along messages and emails and they stopped being answered again.

This is, in my opinion, what happened with Keith Oberlmann. She just never returned calls, they called her on it, and she lied and claimed she did.

Reporters learned damn quick that if they wrote something she didn't like, she would call them up, scream profanities at them, and threaten to sue them.

Lala, if you can PM me with any details, I would appreciate it. I am trying to keep a chronicle of this dark period of my life.

[EFerrari]

60. When Andy and Bev parted company, she screwed him on

his last check AND on his health insurance. He tried to fight that for a while.

Then, she sat at those other places and loudly proclaimed that he was not really sick.

A lovely lady, that grifter.

[lonestarnot]

71. Well I say FUCK HER!

[EFerrari]

81. . . .

:cry:

[lonestarnot]

91. Yes for our Andy!

:cry:

[benburch]

87. Yeah, she is more at home on Free Republic

And the site that I don't care to name.

[Stephanie]

83. I have been researching that - she was due to file last November.

She was supposed to file a Form 990 by November 15th. I checked on Monday and it still had not appeared at Guidestar. The IRS told me it can take three months for the form to be publicly available, so we should have either a form or an extension form by now. I tried to call them on Monday but the lines were busy. My notes are below - all the info I gathered when I first started looking into this - everything is from public records. If you are interested you can call the IRS or fill out a form and request a copy of BBV's Form 990.

_____________________________________


Black Box Voting (Until December 2008) Renton WA USA --

http://www.irs.gov/foia /


http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?npoId=100316616

330 SW 43RD ST PMB-K547
% LINDA FRANZ
RENTON , WA 98055
GENERAL INFORMATION

* This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
* This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
* Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.

NTEE Code

* R40—Voter Education/Registration

EIN: You must be a GuideStar Select or Premium subscriber to view this information.
Year Founded: Information not available
Ruling Year: 2004
Fiscal Year: You must be a GuideStar Premium subscriber to view this information.
Assets: You must be a GuideStar Premium subscriber to view this information.
Income: You must be a GuideStar Select or Premium subscriber to view this information.
No. of Board Members: Information not available
No. of Full-Time Employees: Information not available
No. of Part-Time Employees: Information not available
No. of Volunteers: Information not available

FORM 990 AND EDOCS

None Available.

Why can't I find IRS Form 990s for this organization?


http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?nam...

BLACK BOX VOTING

UBI Number 602 403 081
Category Regular Corporation
Profit/Nonprofit Nonprofit
Active/Inactive Active
State of Incorporation WA
Date of Incorporation 06/10/2004
License Expiration Date 06/30/2006

Registered Agent Information
Agent Name PTSGE CORP
Address 925 FOURTH AVENUE STE 2900
City SEATTLE
State WA
ZIP 981041158

Special Address Information
Address
City
State
Zip


They should have filed their first 990 by November 15th.


http://www.irs.gov/foia /

Tax-exempt or political organization returns:

By phone: Contact the Tax Exempt/Government Entities Hotline at [phone], or send completed Form 4506-A to the address printed on the form.

Online: Forms 990 are available online through Guidestar, a privately funded database of nonprofit organizations. Some Employee Plan information is available online through private research services (e.g., FreeERISA.com ).

[benburch]

115. I'm betting she has never filed a thing.

And if the IRS lets her get away with it, that could only be due to orders from on high.

[Stephanie]

117. Well we need to keep calling and find out if she filed.

She is registered as a non-profit, they have her on record, and she is required to file. If any of you get a chance to call the IRS or fill out the request form, please do. Let's find out what happened to that million she raised. I'm very curious. I know one thing. It wasn't used to recount Florida.

[Hekate]

228. Hmmm. Wonder what would happen if a lot of people requested that info?

Would that be enough to trigger an inquiry by the IRS? or even an audit?

I don't know about such things, but it's a real nice thought, isn't it?
:evilgrin:

Hekate

[troubleinwinter]

230. Stephanie, you do not need to

subscribe to Guidestar or go to the IRS. She MUST provide the 990 upon request, BY LAW. She can request 'reasonable' photocopy fees, but BY LAW they must be provided to anybody requesting them in writing.

I question her status as a nonprofit (non politcal) org., considering she (in her own words) OFFERED Washington state gov. candidate Rossi(R) advice during the recount. Not "candidates", plural, only Republican-Rossi.

[Stephanie]

245. Well Guidestar is free, at least to get this form it is

And I'd rather call the IRS than BBV! :)

[Richard Steele]

15. Bev is a self-serving piece of trash who would burn her own Mother.

Few words are vile or shocking enough to accurately
describe the utter waste of carbon known as Bev Harris.

This guy found out what many already know:
you get close to Bev, you end up with a knife in your back.

It's just her NATURE.

[NYC]

16. State law protects whistle-blowers from retaliation by employers, but...

State law protects whistle-blowers from retaliation by employers, but it does not preclude criminal prosecution...

..."This case is not about whistle-blowing. It's about theft of attorney-client privileged material from an attorney's office," said Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office...

...Heller has pleaded not guilty to three counts of felony access to computer data, commercial burglary and receiving stolen property...

What a horror. He should be rewarded for exposing Diebold.

...The memos suggested that Diebold may have broken state law by providing Alameda County with voting machines that had not been certified by the state.

Apparently, saving voters from rigged voting is not considered heroic by the State of California.

[TahitiNut]

26. The so-called 'whistle-blower protection' statutes are VERY thin.

Most folks would be appalled to discover how narrow and limited such statutory 'protections' are. (Been there; done that.)

[Kelvin Mace]

36. But, as I said,

if the person you revealed your name to doesn't hand it over to the police, you don't need a whistle blower law of any sort.

[NYC]

84. I agree. Whistle blowers need true protection.

What exists doesn't amount to much. Prohibiting employer retaliation, but not prohibiting prosecution. That's pretty scary to any potential whistleblower.

[northzax]

28. attorney-client priviledge is sacrosant

inviolable, except for a very few circumstances.

[Kelvin Mace]

42. Yes, I agree...

but Heller isn't the lawyer. Bev wasn't the lawyer.

Would it have been admissible in court? Nope. Was it admissible in the court of public opinion that Diebold was trying to subvert democracy? Yep.

[northzax]

74. he worked for the lawyers, didn't he?

that extends the priviledge to him.

[Kelvin Mace]

89. Maybe

depends on what his contract says. He was working for a service I believe.

Again, we are not arguing the admissibilty of the docs. They would be inadmissible in court.

[AngryAmish]

79. The privilege (and duty not to disclose) attaches to Heller

First, there may be a quirk in California law I don't know about, but here goes...

Non-attorney support staff (even temps) also are granted attorney/client privilege and also are bound to maintain confidences. Otherwise an opposing attorney or prosecutor could just subpoena a secretary to find out what privileged discussions were had.

I hold no love of Diebold but work product materials must be protected.

If there is whistle-blower protection then good.

[NYC]

77. What about when the circumstance is to prevent a major crime?

If Stephen Heller prevented vote rigging...

He is also not an attorney. I realize he worked for the attorney, but he, himself, had no confidentiality agreement with the client. I'm sure he had some kind of confidentiality agreement with his employer. Does breaking an agreement with an employer constitute a crime?

The attorney paid the client for the breach of confidentiality, but that was not a criminal case, was it?

Just wondering. No matter what happens, Stephen Heller did the U.S. citizens a patriotic service.

Edit: Maybe the didn't pay. I don't know what went on between attorney and client regarding this breach.

[Kelvin Mace]

97. Also there is the matter

of whether an attorney, as an officer of the court, can be party to the commission of a crime. If your client says he has "done the deed", you can't go into to court and claim he hasn't. The best you can do is resign from the case.

[NYC]

111. Doesn't that apply equally to Diebold's lawyer?

If they knew Diebold was selling uncertified voting machines?

I must admit that I really don't know what is going on in enough detail to figure out anything. I hope Heller has a defense. I know he did it, but did he do it to stop a crime? Shouldn't that matter?

This is just one more very depressing thing in the Bush atmosphere of despair and dismay.

[Kelvin Mace]

130. I'll have to see if I can get a lawyer into the conversation

[NYC]

135. Thank you. It isn't so much that

I need to know. It is that I am extremely concerned about Stephen Heller. I'm also concerned about the consequent harm to the public in general if Stephen Heller and other potential whistleblowers are convicted of felonies.

For Heller to face felony convictions is unforgivable, in my opinion. If he is convicted, what hope have we that other patriots will try to save our voting? Facing years in prison, or simply felony convictions with suspended sentences, is an extremely high price to pay. It is a very strong deterrent to our quest for freedom and representation.

[Kelvin Mace]

30. Ah, but under the Qui Tam law

If Bev had made him a party to the suit (his docs were crucial evidence) he would have been protected.

But that would have meant sharing the money.

That not withstanding, she TOLD the investigators his name. If she kept her mouth shut, no one would have known where the docs came from.

[NYC]

49. I remember some discussion at the time re Qui Tam,

and the unwillingness to include other people, believed to be for monetary reasons.

I read in the article that she told investigators. I feel so sorry for Stephen Heller. What he did was a patriotic service to the entire country.

How much money did Bev get from the suit? Any idea?

[Kelvin Mace]

56. She and March got $76K a piece

She claimed she donated it to BBV, but wew have yet to see evidence of such.

Jim March made it absolutely clear that he was keeping the money, as I recall.

[NYC]

86. Thanks. I had thought it was $75,000.

At the very least, she now needs to donate every penny of it to the defense of the whistleblower, Stephen Heller.

[TahitiNut]

21. Does she have 'standing' as a journalist so she'd be protected under ...

... California's Shield Law?? If not, she'd be facing charges herself. No matter what one's opinion is of the individual (Bev Harris, Judy Miller, or Bob Novak?), it seems to me that their legal jeapordy and jurisdiction might be worth considering.

[SteppingRazor]

43. I don't think she would be protected...

CA's shield law protects "a publisher, editor, reporter, or other person connected with or employed unpon a newspaper, magazine, or other periodical publication, or by a press association or wire service" and a "radio or television news reporter or other person connected with or employed by a radio or television station." The Shield Law also likely applies to stringers, freelancers, and perhaps authors, though that's iffy.

And even if she were protected, the Shield Law doesn't apply if:

1. The defendant demonstrates a reasonable possibility that the information with materially assist the defense; and
2. The defendant's fair trial rights outweigh the journalist's rights. In deciding this, a court will consider:

A. The degree of importance of the informaiton to the defendant
B. Whether the information is otherwise available from another source and the defendant has attempted to obtain it.
C. If testifying would hinder the newsgathering ability of the reporter
D. If the information is confidential or sensitive

If the court does order disclosure of the information, it must:

1. Give the reporter 5 days notice before a contempt citation witll be issued
2. Issue a written order
• Disclosure of information under these conditions does not constitute a waiver of the right to assert the Shield Law for the same information in the future

[Kelvin Mace]

55. It doesn't matter whether the law applies or not

You don't burn your source when your source has acted in good faith. This is not a Judy Miller situation.

[SteppingRazor]

80. Hey, you're preachin' to the choir...

I'm a journalist, fer chrissake :hi:

[Kelvin Mace]

99. Then you can imagine how much it used to piss off

the pros when she called herself one.

[SteppingRazor]

125. Eh, I'm used to it...

in the Blog Age, it's amazing the amount of people that consider themselves "journalists" -- some of them have a better ethic than many of my fellows in the field. Others, on the other hand, tend to make the entire profession look asinine. The preponderence of self-appointed "journalists" with absolutely no editorial oversight does tend to irk me sometimes, but the comparative benefits are pretty good. After all, blogs and other non-traditional new media have been responsible for breaking some serious news in the last few years.

[Kelvin Mace]

149. I write a blog (or three)

but have never presumed to call myself a journalist, even though I had a column for three years and wrote lots of feature stuff.

I haven't paid my dues (J-school, working a regular paper beat) so I don't feel I can use the term. I do pride myself on better research than some of the folk you mention. <s>

[Kelvin Mace]

46. I don't know

She claims to be an "investigative journalist".

All I know is that I have never revealed my sources and never will.

[troubleinwinter]

234. I have heard that before: "She claims to be an "investigative journalist".

Where does that come from? I know she is an experienced online cigar seller, but WHAT is her journalism experience, other than claiming to be a PR person?

[Kelvin Mace]

252. Sadly, she decided she was that

at one point when I commented that what we were seeing (the efforts between her and DU) was a new era in journalism, open source reporting (yet another great tool that could have been, but for Bev). At that point she started calling herself a investigative journalist, using Scoop New Zealand for her credentials when she was calling Diebold or talking to people.

When the story got so big that the Big Boys were talking to her, she turned on Scoop and began absuing them.

It bears repeating that she has NO computer credentials, no security credentials, and no legal credentials. She claims to have PR credentials and an accounting background, but I am highly skeptical in the absence of hard proof.

[Coexist]

22. Hey Bev - I sent you cash a couple times

you DID report that to the IRS, right?

[benburch]

25. Did I mention that I have a bridge to sell you? nt

[Coexist]

35. LOL!

She was, to my ignorant mind, the only person involved in the movement. I only hung out on the Randi Rhodes message board then.

[benburch]

37. When I think of what White Rose could have done....

...with 5% of the money she has WASTED. :cry:

[EFerrari]

44. Even 5% of the goodwill.

My next ship is coming in, Ben. It's not 5% of much, but WR will get some it.

:hi:

[Coexist]

63. I'm tapped out in 'donation' money right now

but will help out in your next fund drive!

[EFerrari]

65. Love doesn't pay the bill BUT IT COUNTS!

:)

[benburch]

113. Indeed it does!

Love is what keeps me going.

[benburch]

118. If it turns out to be a liferaft rather than a ship...

you can skip the donations... :)

[EFerrari]

154. We're steady now, Sir. I'm grateful to say that with confidence

:)

[Kelvin Mace]

57. Don't feel bad

a lot of us were suckered. Some folks paid a far higher price, as we can see.

[loudsue]

105. Yep, and some of us may never "get over it". I'm one of those.

But what she did to Andy trumps anything I've seen her do to anybody. Which is saying a LOT, since she leaves a string of dead bodies behind her.

I was a HUGE cheerleader for her, and I'm still ashamed of it. She has betrayed so many, many people, and has done cruel and irreversible damage to people's lives (this latest outing of her source is just another life destroyed).

It's just mind-boggling how she has ANYONE in her circle that can stand her.

:kick:

[EFerrari]

119. Don't be ashamed, loudsue. There are personalities that can

simulate compassion, and integrity, and all kinds of lovable and admirable qualities. They fool everyone from themselves to their families and business associates to their shrinks.

If anything, you deserve credit for responding honestly and generously to a community call. Don't let that spoil it for you.

I want to know how much she ripped DUers off for and find a way to restore that amount. That's probably impossible because she probably never posted a real total. Is that true?

[loudsue]

137. No, she never did post any totals. She was always saying

how "poor" they were, and how they needed more & more money to save our Democracy.

I could, of course, see the truth in that, since I've done a lot of traveling myself -- it isn't free! And she would always report all the grand, magnificent things they were going to do once they got to a given destination, and how much they needed $$ for lawyers.

There never has been, and I promise you, there never will be an accounting of the DU funds raised on her behalf. Nor have all of the AWESOME DU researchers ever been given full credit for all of the research done for the BBV book that she screwed David Allen over, either. As you remember, there were huge DU threads where research was done, getting to the bottom of the voting machine racket.

Our exceptional DUers provided endless money and research, and got screwed.

There's going to be some heavy-duty karma coming around for that woman one of these days. Or maybe the nightmare that lives in her head is payback enough.

:hug: Thank you for your kind words, sfexpat2000. And your activism on the election issues wins you my deepest respect. :hug:

It's a tough, uphill battle we're fighting. But in the end, we WILL prevail: people will understand how Democracy has been stolen!! I only hope it's not entirely too late when we do finally prevail. I want the perpetrators to be frog-marched for all to see, so the lesson will not be forgotten.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Kelvin Mace]

153. Which brings me to a TRUE hero in the movement

Joyce McCloy, who is the patron saint of our new law in NC.

She got the toughest law in the country passed and didn't ask for a dime. She got us all to donate time and fight the Forces of Darkness™. She spent as much time as possible shoving other folk in front of cameras and stayed in the background.

The research done by DUers did help a lot, so despite Bev, we have accomplished much.

[EFerrari]

179. It's good to hear, there are still real people in the world.

Thank you, Joyce. We are in your debt and will be.

[EFerrari]

176. I didn't know all of that . Thank you so much.

It is a tough, crucial battle. And we WILL prevail.

As for frogmarch, I'd settle for vaporizing.

:evilgrin:

:hug:

[Hekate]

231. I figure my donation was good karma for me, even if she turned out...

...to be bad. At the time I was spreading around my small donations to as many orgs as I could; my personal goal being to fund orgs that would piss off George W. Bush in the unlikely event he ever knew. :eyes:

I heard about her on DU, where I learned about BBV in the first place, and as far as I could tell from the discussions here AT THE TIME, she was okay.

We all learned differently, to our disgust and sadness, and some people (like Andy) were really savaged. Now it's up to DUers to make sure everyone knows what the good alternative routes to voting activism are.

Hekate

[BrightKnight]

109. .

posted in error

[Vinnie From Indy]

23. Bev could very well be a BushCo plant

She could also just be a self-serving opportunist that saw an opportunity to fleece a few thousand folks after last election. Another poster had it right when they wrote that it is tragic that such an important issue has Bev as a player.

I agree that this should be voted up so the next whistleblower will understand how she does business.

[Kelvin Mace]

58. She's not a plant

Never ascribe to treachery that which can be explained by stupidity or greed.

You give the opposition too much credit.

[Boredtodeath]

69. Actually, I think there's a good deal of evidence

That she sold out to Diebold, David.

Note....since the settlement, she's gone after anyone who could hold Diebold's feet to the fire AND ES&S and Sequoia are her new targets.

No, I think there's plenty of valid evidence that she's doing exactly what some think - making PROOF of machine manipulation impossible to prove.

She's certainly done everything in her power to keep it all out of the press, hasn't she? Seriously, what person in their right mind would piss off Keith Olbermann when they were supposedly begging for press coverage of their issue?

[EFerrari]

78. That's a pretty strong argument. n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

85. Now, now,

according to Bev I'm the one depositing all those big checks from Diebold.

Though since I wrote the provision of the NC law that resulted in Diebold leaving the state, they may be asking for a refund. <g>

Yes, I am bragging, but goddamn it, I'm proud of that one.

"§ 163‑165.9A. Voting systems: requirements for voting systems vendors; penalties.

The documentation shall include a list of programmers responsible for creating the software and a sworn affidavit that the source code includes all relevant program statements in low‑level and high‑level languages.

Penalties. – Willful violation of any of the duties in subsection (a) of this section is a Class G felony. Substitution of source code into an operating voting system without notification as provided by subdivision (a)(2) of this section is a Class I felony. In addition to any other applicable penalties, violations of this section are subject to a civil penalty to be assessed by the State Board of Elections in its discretion in an amount of up to one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) per violation. A civil penalty assessed under this section shall be subject to the provisions of G.S. 163‑278.34(e)."

[EFerrari]

112. Thing of beauty.

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[Generic Other]

127. It's that simple? Why not everywhere?

I know getting that one little paragraph into your state's legal code came at great cost to you both emotionally and financially. You deserve to bask in the glow of your accomplishment!

:yourock:

[EFerrari]

131. I implore both of you to come to California. We. are. under. seige.

And the grifter's bots have appropriated some of our most ardent activists.

That really scares me.

[Kelvin Mace]

157. Is she involved in the recent law suit?

or just claiming to be?

[EFerrari]

164. I have no way of knowing. I usually work the press, not the courts.

I can try to find out.

[Kelvin Mace]

156. It was a pain

but sometimes it was fun. Lawyers HATE it when you don't grovel and you ask rude, rude questions.

It ain't over, though. The SBoE still has to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing.

[Richard Steele]

181. Brag all you want- you SHOULD be proud of that!

I'm proud of NC just for having that!

[EFerrari]

184. I notice that Mr. Mace didn't demand financial backing or media

worship.

He and his group JUST GOT IT DONE.

Compare and contrast.

[Richard Steele]

185. Yeah, it's like he actually CARES or something!

CARES about something more than his own bank account!

[EFerrari]

186. Yeah. What's the matter with him?

:silly:

:)

[Richard Steele]

191. Dunno. He's HONEST, too...It all seems pretty suspicious to me!

:wtf:

[Kelvin Mace]

187. The running joke in my office

when we are figuring out which bills to pay is that we'll pay a particular bill with my ill-gotten Diebold gains. I just can't find the briefcase full of Benjamins.

[Richard Steele]

189. Did you try looking under the chair?

That's where B*sh looks for Saddams WMDs, and they never existed either,
so by repub logic: The money is under the chair! Duh.

Oh, BTW, I did a new graphic today you might appreciate:

[Kelvin Mace]

199. LOL!!

That is funny!

I think I may have figured out where the money went.

The cat just got back from Tahiti.

[SmokingJacket]

204. Thank you.

:toast:

[garybeck]

285. no way in hell.

like her or not... you can say she's screwed people over... but BBV has done a ton of investigative work that has revealed the problems with the e-voting machines to the public. there is no way in hell that Bush would plant that.

Just ask Ion Sancho if Bev is a plant. it's ridiculous. he found out about the 16,000 Gore votes that were subtracted in 2000 from the BBV website. It was BBV who brought Harri Hursti to Florida to test the memory cards. And virtually everything you've seen in the last 3 months - including a lawsuit against the CA secretary of state for certifying illegal voting machines - all came about because of that.

plants *by name and appearance* do good things, but in actuality, do nothing or do bad things. Plants do not actually reveal and uncover evidence that supports the other side.

anyone who thinks Bev is a plant just seriously does not understand what is going on.

there are those who will continue to beat this dead horse. whatever. personally, I've got more important things to do, like fight against electronic voting fraud.

[Kelvin Mace]

288. And some of us manage to fight e-voting yet

still expose people who are harming the movement by their actions.

I see no evidence that would lead me to publicly state Bev is a "plant". I think that this accusation let's Bev off way too easy. I could accept (not condone) her actions more if she were, but she's not.

She acts the way she does out of spite and/or mental illness.

That said, she burned her source. Whether she was the person who originally supplied Heller's name to the cops, or whether she just helped them by confirming his actions (which she admits to doing in the newspaper story), she betrayed a person who risked his freedom for the truth.

This is unethical and it is wrong. He may go to jail while Bev has financially benefitted from the information he provided.

Please refrain from the "she's given the money to BBV" explanation. We have only her word and NO SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. Can you explain why she has yet to file her required tax reports?

Other insiders who may have useful information will now be VERY reluctant to share it, since they now know that Bev will tell the cops.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. How despicable!

What did she hope to gain by doing this?

[EFerrari]

40. A settlement. Which she got.

Quite the public servant, that grifter.

I wonder what she did with Andy's computer?

[im10ashus]

67. That's EXACTLY what she is.

A grifter. When will this evil person go away? Hasn't she done enough damage already? :shrug:

[EFerrari]

76. There seems to be a black hole she needs to fill that is bottomless.

Aren't you happy you are you?

I can barely think about her without getting chest pains. But, if I had to be that, well, that would be horrible.

[im10ashus]

95. Next to a repug, I can't think of ANYONE I'd rather NOT be.

After her little f#@$ing game she played with Mr. Andy, may he rest, she belongs in the same boat with the repugs. When I saw this thread it was deja vu all over again.

[EFerrari]

100. I know. n/t

[Boredtodeath]

50. Money, what else?

She had an open Qui Tam lawsuit under investigation.

See the note in the documents she turned over:

2. Qui Tam Action Under the California False Claims Act
A. Factual Development During Seal Period ²
I. Alternate A: Low level development of facts relevant to potential
defenses ( e.g., public disclosure, government knowledge defense, and prior governmental audit) limited to facts
developed during effort associated with item I: $10,000/month
2. Alternate B: Proactive development of potential defenses, explanations, mitigating circumstances and strategies:
$30,000/month

² If the seal is lifted and the complaint served, this will need to be actively defended.

[EFerrari]

52. Do we have an estimate of how much she ripped off from DUers?

I was still avoiding those threads when everybody started waking up.

[benburch]

110. Andy said it was at least a million dollars.

But not all from DUers, of course.

[EFerrari]

123. That sounds like the Randi fundraising, not DU.

I was too new to catch it while it was happening.

[benburch]

141. Well, the two were at the same time.

So it is impossible to say what came from where.

And since there is never going to be any proper accounting...

[EFerrari]

145. Exactly. It just tees me off to let this continue an open sore here.

If you think of a fair way to deal, lemme know.

I want that grifter outta our hair, so we can focus on real stuff. Like Guy being back on the air. Like the law suits in CA against our Thug SOS. Like what happened in IL and TX last night with the voting machines.

I want to perform a grifterectomy.

:)

[SmokingJacket]

203. It's true, I gave money, was posting on DU while listening to Randi.

I remember the day well -- thinking Bev sounded kind of *off*, but I trusted Randi, so...

:banghead:

[Kelvin Mace]

59. She didn't want to split money

or go to jail to protect her source.

[EFerrari]

62. It just gets worse and worse and worse. n/t

[EFerrari]

39. WE should raise $10K for Heller and send it to him in Andy's name.

What about the next time a Stephen Heller comes along? Who will s/he trust?

[elehhhhna]

45. SHE IS A COUNTER AGENT. It explains all the puzzling questions.

[EFerrari]

48. She's an antisocial GRIFTER. n/t

[elehhhhna]

51. Yep. But that doesn't preclude her being on A Reep payroll.

[EFerrari]

53. True. I guess if you were a recruiter, that's pretty much who

you'd scout for. Good point.

[elehhhhna]

66. Hell, I think they may have backed her from the beginning.

There was obviously going to be a BBV type org popping up somewhere. Why not give her enough info. etc. to get some attention then have her schiz-out and act like a buffon--both controlling and hobbling the whole enchilada. Tin foily, sure, but a smart move on their parts...

[EFerrari]

73. I just don't know if they're that smart.

It fits with that whole economic hitman model.

But, she's too out of control, from the stories I've heard or had walk on roles in. You need a degree of predictability. No doubt that grifter is smart enough but she has an ego that needs constant attention and she goes out of control frequently. The one time I called her, she started screaming, literally screaming, before I finished my greeting.

[Kelvin Mace]

102. Well, she hasn't hobbled the movement

but she has made our job harder.

[glitch]

207. The Jim Hatfield ploy. Rove has a very limited bag of tricks. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

64. Nah!

She and the Right aren't that smart. Besides, I and many other's dealt with her and we can tell you it is borderline personality disorder, greed and a pathetic craving for attention.

[EFerrari]

68. Should we try to raise money for her latest victim?

Our two bucks put together add up.

What do you think?

[supernova]

72. Ohh, and an added beneft

of probably pissing off Bev in the process.

Good idea, sfxpat2000 :thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

75. Yeah. Some of us actually ARE and DO what we say

we ARE and DO.

That always pisses off people like that grifter.

[acmejack]

93. I'll make another donation to Heller right now in Andy's memory!

Thinking of Bev always pisses me off. That and the the rueful memory of my enthusiastic donations, but as the man said; "I'd rather be a chump than a cheat!"

[EFerrari]

94. Hold it, acmejack. I'm going to ask Skinner for permission

to raise the money. Or, don't.

:hug:

[Kelvin Mace]

103. I have offered and was politely declined

They want to see if they can get a pro bono lawyer first.

[EFerrari]

107. Interesting. Well, I've asked Skinner for permission to post 1 thread.

There is a fund. If I get permission, maybe we can add to it.

[robinlynne]

136. Not so. they have a website asking for donations for his defence.

I sent a donation. I just googled Stephen Heller, and found his website.
I asked if they needed other sorts of help, having the public watch his ehairng, for example, and his wife wrote back that all theyw ant at this moment is donations for his lawyers.

Robin

[Kelvin Mace]

160. Well, that was the last email I had from two weeks ago

So, I will have to make a donation.

[EFerrari]

161. Welcome to DU, Robin. We're usually not this pissed off.

You message is duly noted. If Skinner gives me permission to post a fundraising thread, may I PM you?

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

116. I don't even know the latest victim

and I'm in :)

Put me down for $25.

[EFerrari]

120. Aw! First, we have to get permission from admin.

Thanks so much!

:loveya:

[flyarm]

90. please read your PM kelvin mace!! n/t

[Plaid Adder]

122. That was how it always came across to me.

If I had a dollar for every time she posted some big drama-filled thing about how the FBI was skulking around in her garbage or how she had just received some big explosive scoop from someone who couldn't come forward just now but would blow it all wide open any day now, I'd be happy. As it is, all I or anyone else has is aggravation.

Election reform will always be outside the mainstream because the mainstream finds the prospect of rigged elections too terrifying to contemplate. There are a lot of different routes through which people find their way outside the mainstream, and one of them is unfortunately by being batshit crazy. It's unfortunate that Bev was able to pretend to be sane long enough to get her face and name associated with the cause, but I don't think she was a Republican plant. It always seemed to me like she really believed the crap she was slinging, at the time. Plenty of people believe their own lies. It's one of the reasons human history is fucked up.

Anyway, I hope this poor guy will be all right regardless.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[EFerrari]

128. I mostly agree but how do you account for her swinging from

enlisting DU, then sitting at FR, and sucking up to them, up to and including smearing Andy?

She must have one hell of an elastic belief system. By which I mean, you're being generous to her, PA.

Which is something I strive for but in this situation, I can't be. It's unambiguous to me.

[Plaid Adder]

138. I account for it

by assuming that Bev always does whatever will feed her craving for attention and hero-worship. Which means she hung out at DU being a hero until people got wise, and then she went over to FR because they would make a hero out of her for being a 'reformed' DUer and gleefully collude with her persecution fantasies about how the DU admins were out to get her. As for smearing Andy, well, he wasn't batshit crazy, so no doubt they had plenty of conflict at work, and she went after him because either she had to be a batshit crazy confabulating maniac or he did, and of course it couldn't be her, could it?

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[EFerrari]

142. Gotcha. I think that's right. n/t

[Boredtodeath]

144. She went after Andy for ONE reason

He told the truth. About Bev Harris.

[Kelvin Mace]

162. He knew where the bodies were buried

and had to be discredited.

[Plaid Adder]

165. Oh, sure, that's the REAL reason.

But from BH's point of view, it's always about the batshit crazy bullshit reason you come up with to prevent yourself from understanding that it's you who's batshit crazy and not the entire rest of the planet.

It's sad, really,

The Plaid Adder

[EFerrari]

173. More than sad, it was deadly.

She delayed his care for weeks.

That's not only sad.

[EFerrari]

180. Maybe just as much, Andy was charismatic. He was.

And she couldn't stand him getting the attention he drew.

[fooj]

229. Andy was an American Patriot.

Peace.

[Liberty Belle]

82. How do you know Heller requested anonymity? Some whistleblowers don't,

and are willing to go on record to make their case stronger -- speaking as a journalist who has dealt with many whistleblowers.

[EFerrari]

92. There is no statement from him. No indication that those

were his wishes. Only that grifter's action.

So, no. That didn't happen.

[Kelvin Mace]

121. In my conversation with Bev

about sources, we discussed at length keeping them secret. I can't speak to this situation, but there is no way I would reveal my source, nor allow them to reveal their name without stiff legal cover.

[EFerrari]

124. If Heller had wanted to make a statement and out himself,

he would have.

He didn't.

That grifter did.

Period.

[Boredtodeath]

146. He would have gone straight to the authorities

What would he need Bev Harris for if he wasn't worried about being outed?

[EFerrari]

148. The choices are 1) You pre-emtively out yourself. He didn't.

2) You surround yourself with a very few people you trust.

Looks like he went for Door Number Two.

[lala_rawraw]

211. because they approach the press, not using a proxy

he went to Bev I assume because she is known to be an advocate. granted, he may have given her permission to go to the press, but it does not appear that she was given permission to discuss how she got the information because it woudld be a felony and also, because the source would have gone on the record. no, this appears very bad to me.

[EFerrari]

217. We would have to accept Bev's word that this is his wish

and even SHE isn't saying that.

[Kelvin Mace]

254. Again, to re-iterate

Bev and I discussed sources. We discussed the need to protect them. We discussed our standing vis-a-vis shield laws (Bev thought we were protected, I thought not. I certainly wasn't since I was not working for ANY news organization, though Scoop ran some of my findings).

Bev was sure she was protected, I was prepared to go to jail rather than reveal any source (I don't mean this to sound melodramatic. My wife and I had this conversation when Diebold started threatening to sue/prosecute everyone in sight and it looked pretty certain they would come after me, as I was the one now running Bev sight and was involved in the Diebold emails. I was also threatened by Sequoia when I dug up some of their files from an unprotected site).

Bev thought she was protected because she was "a reporter". I didn't think so, but couldn't convince her.

But I can tell you, we did discuss protecting sources and we did discuss that we needed to keep people's names secret unless they had a lawyer who told them we could use their name.

I also went to the effort and expense of having a l;awyer draw up non-disclosure agreements to legally bind anyone we had to work with from revealing anything we discovered. I gave them to Bev, and she never used them

[JohnnyCougar]

240. This is a good point

Now, I don't need any convincing by anyone on here that Bev Harris is a despicable person, but I have yet to see proof that what Bev said to police in any way aided to the incrimination of Heller. He may have been busted before Bev said anything, and Bev was just filling the authorities in on the details.

I will be the first to admit that I am not following this case closely, either, so if there is evidence that Bev is the reason for Heller's legal troubles, please let me know. Otherwise, this looks like pure speculation right now. Although it wouldn't surprise me if this turned out to be true, I am in no position to jump to conclusions without any proof. That would be a Bev Harris move.

[Kelvin Mace]

256. Hi JC!

My sources tell me that Heller gave the docs to Bev. Bev shared them with Jim March and they gave them to the SoS and the press ALONG WITH THE NAME OF THEIR SOURCE. When the police showed up, Bev sang like a canary and confirmed/named the source (the article I quote says that).

Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting, told investigators that Heller met her in a Ventura County park in early 2004 and gave her the documents. She turned them over to the secretary of state and the Oakland Tribune.

Can I state unequivocally that Bev was the original source? No, but she cooperated with the police to burn her source, and that is on the record.

[WHAT]

96. This is just unforgivable...

some people will beat a dead horse until they bloody themselves...

[EFerrari]

98. Really? You think so? How? n/t

[Boredtodeath]

104. Give it a minite

Pat A Vesely, I mean Steve A Play, will be right along to answer your question.

[EFerrari]

106. I was only asking.

:)

[EFerrari]

133. And I guess I got my answer. n/t

[Boredtodeath]

140. I see.

is that crickets I hear?

[EFerrari]

183. Or the sound of sockpuppets disrobing. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

101. Fuck That (Vulgar term used for some women). She's Just a Fraudulent,

selfish, arrogant, deceitful, mentally impaired melodramatic pig with no respect for anybody.

Fuck Bev, and God Bless Andy.

[benburch]

126. I see an IP address I tentatively associate with Bev Harris reading this

Hello, Bev!

[EFerrari]

129. Don't feed it. n/t

[Thtwudbeme]

132. Do you really??? Hi Bev! You probably don't know me, because I

am computer illiterate, and tended to stay off the BBV threads except for reading.

However, I do have opinions on people's characters....and what I know of yours is pretty damned bad.

I just want to tell you that it seems you aren't that old, and that you still have time to beg forgiveness from everyone that you have screwed, and return money that isn't rightfully yours.

Anyway, I've always wanted to tell you that.

Good luck on your path in life....I sure hope that you put some effort into being a better person. It's been my experience that people that are middle aged rarely change---but, hey...there's always hope.

Stephanie

[EFerrari]

134. Thank you for weighing in.

:hi:

[Thtwudbeme]

139. I hope she reads it. I don't think a post of mine is going to change her

life any---

I have a real "Lee Atwater" phobia, btw. I worry about people I unintentionally screw, and how my actions affect others.

Man, this is really off topic here, isn't it....

Oh well....like I wrote, maybe she'll read it.

Steph

[EFerrari]

143. She'll read it. She can't help herself.

And you sound like you have Anti-grifter issues. I have them too. lol

:)

[Thtwudbeme]

147. This is so embarrassing; I am going to have to look up "grifter."

No, I am a religion major, and (need to be studying and working on 3 papers) trying to get into Divinity school next year.

I just spent an hour and a half with a Tibetan Monk this afternoon, and I have been thinking about Karma, rebirth, and eternity issues since 3:00PM.

It's something I put thought into everyday, and am particularly concerned with right now, because I am having a crisis of faith.

Well...was that way the hell more information than you wanted or what??? ;)

I think I better go pour a cocktail and concentrate on both Latin, and Hopi philosophy-- and leave the BBV stuff to people who are wayyyy smarter than me.

(and you know who you are...and I need to call you! Wild week--but, I want to hear about college stuff!)

Steph

[EFerrari]

152. merriam-webster;

grift
One entry found for grift.
Main Entry: grift
Pronunciation: 'grift
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: grift, n., perhaps alteration of graft
slang : to obtain (money) illicitly (as in a confidence game)
- grift noun, slang
- grift·er noun, slang

:)

[Kelvin Mace]

169. Another word for "con man"

See The Sting.

[salin]

197. hey friend

am about to go on a two week spring break - well not really - will still be working, but not at the crazy hours and stress as is generally the case... iow, I have a little more time - if any of my perspectives in academia can be of help - or just want to blow off steam -or want a total diversion... pm me (new contact info.)

Best - always...

salin

[Kelvin Mace]

168. It's worth about 15 points of elevated blood pressure for her

so at least there's that.

[Boredtodeath]

150. LOL, you'll be the new "Agent Mike"

The woman has no concept of computers, thus will never realize that the simple act of tracking.

In a minute, you'll be part of the spy organization out to get her..........

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Bad, Ben, Bad. Feeding the paranoia! Have you no shame? </sarcasm>

[benburch]

151. I own a beige trenchcoat and a tan fedora hat, too.

And wear sensible shoes.

[Thtwudbeme]

155. Could you let me know when Karl Rove signs on? I have something I'd

like to tell him also.

Thanks "Agent" BenBurch!

[Bunny]

159. Yes, but do you have a phone conveniently located in the sole of

your shoe? :rofl:



Oh, and Bev, if you're reading: shame on you. I'm very glad I don't have your karma.

[EFerrari]

166. LOL!

:rofl:

[benburch]

174. No, but we have one in the "play room"...

that is shaped like a red high heel pump...

[EFerrari]

158. Where do I sign up?

Hi, Bev! I'm Agent Gadfly

Get out your swatter. You're gonna need one.

:rofl:

[Kelvin Mace]

167. Over an hour and a half to get here

She's slipping...

[benburch]

175. Might be one of her friends, too...

But it is an IP address I see whenever her name is mentioned here, and not otherwise.

[Kelvin Mace]

177. What IP?

(By PM if you wish)

[RBHam]

163. You were right. And I remain suspicious of her motives.

Why would she screw up and allow the perps to hang out a fall guy?

Stinks.

bad.

[RBHam]

170. Mea culpa intended.

I was once a Bev Harris guy...

Then I thought:

Why doies she keep INSISTING that this isn't a partisan issue? Why is she the ONLY anti-Black Box activist ever interviewed in the mainstream media?

There must be a counter-intelligence term for the role she's playing. Limited hangout, for sure. Infiltration. Divide and conquer.

Even though I pride myself on being able to sniff out the inside players and false prophets - I admit that Bev once had me actually believing in her... my desperation for the truth about Diebold etc. to come out overwhelmed my good sense.

I once called the poster of this thread for being exactly what Bev Harris has revealed herself to be...

It hurts to eat your own crap...

But it's redeeming.

[EFerrari]

172. The secret of believing people like her is

she believes herself.

peace, RBHam

[Kelvin Mace]

178. We got you back from the Dark Side™

that's what matters.

[Rex]

195. It's like that one Futurama episode where they go back to the 1950s

Dr. Zoidberg and Bender's body (sans head) are found in Roswell New Mexico. They invite one lone crazed photographer to take a bad picture that no one would ever believe. I think they call it plausible deniability. I too believed Bev's story (at least the first year) until I realized she would make up scenarios (agent Smith visits) and then get picked apart for the holes in her stories. I guess the RW has sleeper cells too.

[EFerrari]

182. So, what is to be done about people who are actively impeding

election reform?

That's the bottom line here.

That grifter is just the poster it.

[Cocoa]

202. you don't know the whole story

most people probably know I'm not the biggest fan of Bev Harris, but I've never accused her of doing something like this unless I knew for sure.

Bev herself used to throw reckless accusations like this around, which is something that made me suspicious of her.

I was always disappointed that so many people let her get away with it, just because she made people feel she was on "their side."

Likewise, I'm disappointed that people are going along with this now, just because she is now seen as "bad" in the current groupthink.

[JanMichael]

205. This is Stephanie, I can't remember if Michael is logged on

but, I wanted to reply to you.

I don't know this whole story, you are correct. But, here is what I do know:

I know that a friend of mine was researching some of this stuff....then I heard Bev was claiming ALL that work was hers. I know this for a fact because I personally SAW my friend working on it. Not heard about it, SAW it.

I know that a DUer was working for her that developed a terminal illness, and she and her friends claimed he was somehow faking this disease.

How much more do you need to know about this woman before YOU decide she is "bad?" How much more do YOU have to see before you become one of "us" judgemental people?

Andy was loved here at DU by many, many people. I seriously doubt that Bev will ever make amends here until she personally begs for forgiveness....which she should have done BEFORE the man died. However, like I wrote in my post above....it's not too late for her to start working on her own karma.

I suggest she start soon; time's a-wastin' for all of us middle agers.

Stephanie

[Kelvin Mace]

257. I know that Bev and I discussed

protecting sources. I know she agreed with me that they must never be named unless they had a lawyer who advised them to.

I know that even if she wasn't the original source of the name, the newspaper story makes perfectly clear she cooperated with the police in getting her source charged with three felonies.

What else do you need for evidence other than her own testimony in a respected newspaper?

[Zhade]

208. K/R against that lying sack of shit (Harris).

Can't BELIEVE I once trusted that DOCUMENTED FREEPER!

[Cocoa]

212. I can't believe you believed her either

it was so obvious to me, by the way she demonized people, with your help, the way people are demonizing Bev now.

Why are you repeating your mistake now? This crap is just as much garbage as Bev's garbage.

[EFerrari]

213. How is it, Cocoa? Lay it out. n/t

[bettyellen]

272. you dislike the demonization of Bev more than the Andy smear

campaign she was a big part of.
interesting how you dislike the news reports on Bevs behaviour.... and yet the Andy stuff you excused (you actually pointed up as being positive) were jokes how he needed $10 more to pay for the funeral, vauge references to crimes never detailed, saying he owed god an apology. this you posted as being nice to andy!!
so much for anything being obvious to you.

[Zhade]

278. With my help? Explain.

Or better yet, prove your allegation, or retract it.

[Ladyhawk]

215. She lost me with her outrageous behavior on DU

and toward Andy Stephenson. She burned Andy and now she's burning an important source. I'm not surprised, but I am angry. She has some serious psychological problems. I believe she may have several personality disorders including histrionic personality disorder. She always has to be the center of a big drama. It's always about her, even when she steals other people's work, fires employees who have done her no harm, outs important sources, etc.

I should feel sorry for her, but I only feel anger and sadness.

[fooj]

218. Batshit Bev blows up! What a pathetic creature she is.

Thanks for the info.

Andy had something she'll never have. Grace. Courage. Integrity. And most important, LOVE.

Andy's spirit was and still is love. :loveya:

Nothing will ever change that. Ever.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

220. Someone stop her before she b*vs again.

:hug:

[fooj]

225. Don't you just love karma?

:smoke:

[EFerrari]

226. Yes. And you, fooj.

:hippie:

[troubleinwinter]

219. But her new logo is kinda cool>>>>>>

.

[fooj]

223. I kinda liked mine...

BatshitBev.org

LOL!:spray:

[EFerrari]

227. Lol

:rofl:

[Zinfandel]

235. Appointed republican Secretary of State, Diebold McPherson?

[EFerrari]

236. Part of the coup she's tried to enable.

But, we aren't having any. :evilgrin:

[LaPera]

238. Please, tell us more of your thoughts...

[EFerrari]

239. Why bore everyone. CA has been under siege for some time.

Kevin Shelley decertified Diebold and was smeared out of office.

The appointed Thug in his place has illegally certified Diebold and now Sequoia.

Is that enough, La Pera? Or do I hafta go El Limon on you?

This isn't about a tiff. This is serious as a heart attack.

That grifter enabled the insertion of vapor voting in my state.

Have you heard enough or shall I illuminate the issue?

[EFerrari]

241. Thank you for answering my question.

El que no sabe y no sabe que no sabe, dejemosle.

[Zinfandel]

290. !

[LaPera]

291. Dude, I was warning people before it was even a thought in your head!!!!

I was telling people it was a setup of Shelley as was the Gray Davis bullshit by Rove/Enron ...Rove & WH secretly financed the whole fucking thing...got the Democrat governor recalled (paid for that) put a right wing celebrity out there during the recall circus...then smeared Shelley slowly in the Chronicle is where it started...got Shelley to resign and as planned had the bullshit republican Governor APPOINT a republican Sec. of State fucking McPherson...to allow the Diebold machines in through the backdoor as Rove is so slimy at and Friday night announcements before a 3 day week-end!

I warned ever one, call democratic assemblymen offices and told them this is a set up of Shelley to get a republican to count the votes and bring in the republican owned machine...Rove knew there was no other way to get democratic progressive California, except to steal it...but they wouldn't listen they could even conceive what the republicans were doing backhandedly...they as democrats stupid fucks were asking Shelley to step down...stupid, stupid short sighted fucks in office.

I started threads here at DU about Shelley and very few ever responded!

I called Shelley's office in Sacramento begging him to hang in there and wait it out, at least until the 2006 primary, then quit if he wanted to...

And to top it off I send his lawyers office a $100.00 donation to help his fight...two days later Shelley resigns...

And believe it or not a week later they fucking had the nerve to still deposit my check, (they knew I sent it for him to STAY and fight, not to fucking quit)!!!!

[Maraya1969]

242. I feel bad for what Stephen Heller has to go through but it will keep this

in the news. Plus, if he is an actor the only publicity is no publicity. I hope some Progressive directors in Hollywood here about this and give him some breaks.

It may be a strange way to look at it but I never said I wasn't strange.

[EFerrari]

243. Lol!

As a circus person, I agree.

But, it must be terribly stressful to have three felonies hanging over your head. :(

[Maraya1969]

244. Circus person? I never met a circus person. What do you do?

[caligirl]

246. I was pretty sure that after Andy was burned by her there

was an agreement that BH would never be mentioned here again at the DU. 245 posts for a cruel and untrustworthy witch, while the senate is about to screw American citizens health and well being. I made a call to the DA on behalf of Hellar and asked them to go after Jones Day.

Now I am moving on to stop the repugs from sending our citizens to their deaths from junk AHP's by stopping the Enzi bill.

[Stephanie]

253. link please?

ty

[caligirl]

255. IIve been up for more than 24 hours now working on the Enzi Bill,

I've been a member of du long enought to have seen the bickering that went on over Andy and B . Going to bed now. Perhaps you could just search for the thread. have a nice day.

[EFerrari]

261. You joined DU about two weeks before I did. So, yes,

you have been here long enough to see how that grifter treated Andy when he was sick and when he was dying.

[Stephanie]

262. wow, thanks, I just wanted to know what bill you were talking about

what's your problem?

[Kelvin Mace]

264. Relax folks

let's cut each other some slack. She's been up without sleep, so she might be a bit tired.

I understand her view, and appreciate her committment to what she is working on.

But, I would like to point out that unless voting is reliably recorded and accurately counted, all other issues are unlikely to be solved.

Just my opinion.

[caligirl]

282. I'm up now, got about 7 hours of sleep so I can think better now

and wear my contacts, always helpful. I completely agree about the voting accuracy.Texas issues with Hart machines could affect us in Cali, our SoS approved those. I pleaded with areporter here to do a story on this. Got nothing back.

[Kelvin Mace]

292. A lot of reporters I have dealt with

are not interested in stories outside their market, even if it affects their market.

I have the hardest time getting local reporters to cover the ES&S memory card problem, despite the fact that it affected 1,000 machines in NC. The local reporter said that none of the counties in their market were affected, so it wasn't a story that would interest his readers.

Idiots.

[caligirl]

283. Now that I've had some rest your post makes more sense, here is one

link. Its not the original and I added a ton of info to it so as to have lots of info to work with for writing and calling Senators. Its the republicans that have to be worked on while not forgetting the dems.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2529552

[EFerrari]

286. Thanks for that link, caligirl. So many fires, we need more

buckets and longer lines of people.

[Stephanie]

289. thank you

:hi:

[Kelvin Mace]

259. I think the agreement was not

to allow her to use DU for suckering more people (either directly of via proxies).

There never was any agreement to not reveal her crimes as they came to light.

[Maddy McCall]

266. Nope. She's a public figure and she can be discussed at DU just...

as any public figure is open for discussion. Except Kirstie Alley. :D

There's never been a moratorium on discussing the Wicked Witch of BBV as far as I know.

[EFerrari]

268. I suggested something like this in the Elections forum

so we could focus on the work and not on that grifter. My suggestion was very specific to that forum, but maybe that's the thread caligirl means.

[in_cog_ni_to]

251. Why is Heller facing felony charges for revealing that Dieblod BROKE THE

LAW? How exactly did he break the law?

[Kelvin Mace]

258. He took confidential memos

and made them public. Sadly, this is a technical violation of the law. But, I think it ranks up there with committing breaking and entering to stop a rape.

[Julius Civitatus]

274. I'm so SORRY I ever gave money to Black Box Voting

When Randy Rhodes had this traitorous woman on her show asking money to investigate Diebold, I gave money (like many other people thinking that she would, in fact, investigate).

Then Harris disappeared for about a year.
Now I learn she's been burning her sources.

I wish I could get my money back. And I feel very sorry Randy put her reputation on the line for this lying weasel.

I feel that it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to suspect Bev Harris could be a mole, a plant, or actually could be on the payroll of Diebold (or any other e-voting company). She has done more damage than good.

[Kelvin Mace]

275. She has done a lot of damage

What we have to do is educate people about her so they avoid citing her as a source, giving her money, or dealing with her.

Folks need to know that her's is not a name you drop.

At least your Karma balance is in the black. :)

[fooj]

276. It's no stretch....believe me.

Peace.

[Julius Civitatus]

277. Can she be sued for fraud?

Isn't it requesting donations for an alleged cause, then running away with the loot something that would be illegal? I don't know, call me crazy, but I feel it may actually be illegal.

IS there a way to know how much money she made asking for donations? Furthermore, how much of that money is being used in her research? Is there a way to account for that money?

most importantly: could this be part of a class action suit?

Just wondering.

[Kelvin Mace]

280. An oft asked question

You could sue, or swear oiut a complaint, but your chances of success are small.

She has done enough with the money to protect herself from charges that she committed fraud. What would be interesting to know is how much went for overhead versus how much was ACTUALLY spent on investigations.

[Ksec]

279. Who cares?

Let it go man. I never trust anyone who comes in like gangbusters and has all the answers. Lesson learned , move on.

[EFerrari]

281. I think the guy who has three felonies hanging over his head cares.

And I think that the voters he was trying to protect care.

And I guess, I care because we need more guys like him to speak up and the way this went down will now make that more unlikely.

[Joanne98]

284. My two cents! I decided she was just a greedy psycho!

She did get the files but after that it was just about MONEY! I stopped trusting her when she attacked David. The only good thing about her now is she's SOOOOO greedy and such a psycho, she just may come up with something else! She's so driven! Whistleblowers shouldn't get near her though. That's for sure.

[Radio_Guy]

287. Goodness

From the looks of this thread, I missed a wild affair involving said Bev Harris. And it looks like it is a good thing I missed it.