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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:43 AM
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Howard Dean vs Soledad O'Brien video...Bradblog....
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 11:45 AM by madfloridian
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002596.htm

He literally talked over her, or as the Brad blog says...he filibustered. Great job.

:toast: to owning an interview.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:47 AM
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1. So glad Bradblog caught this interview.
I never get up this early. He blasted Bush for saying he would leave the Iraq mess until 2009. Blasted the Medicare plan. Called the GOP spokesmen "henchmen".
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:49 AM
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2. Why aren't DUers angry at Dean for saying he doesn't want immediate
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 11:50 AM by xultar
withdrawal NOW!

Same thing Kerry and Hillary said but no one is screaming angry about pull out now!!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:51 AM
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4. Perhaps because, unlike Kerry and Hillary, Dean is not a lawmaker.
He's not running for anything, and has no say in what the House or Senate Democrats say.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:52 AM
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7. ????????? He's the voice of our party. His view is NOT progressive
why not bang him over the head for it like we do everyone else?


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:53 AM
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9. He is, huh? Tell that to Reid and Pelosi, who tell him to stay out of
their business.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:18 PM
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29. It depends on the situation. Dean shouldn't take positions on votes
and Senate House matters. He is on the PARTY only.

So Reid and Pelosi may be right that he should but out on some issues.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:55 AM
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10. Can you appreciate a good interview without starting a fight?
It is no wonder Democrats are out of power. We would rather fight with each other than try to win.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:07 PM
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22. I'm just pointing out that we have a double-standard...
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 12:14 PM by xultar
maybe some will think before blasting someone for a position that Dean holds as well.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:08 PM
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23. You DO have a point Xultar.
:hi: We have to allow for thoughtful debate/differences.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:09 PM
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25. There is a lot of that here on all issues. I agree.
People don't bother to find out stances, and they are sometimes not fair when they do.

That part we agree on.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:22 PM
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36. Nonsense!
"It is no wonder Democrats are out of power. We would rather fight with each other than try to win." --madfloridian

Yeah, let's all "unite behind" a pro-war Democrat (Hillary? Biden?), and pretend that we have a "choice"--with two rightwing Bushite corporations counting all the votes behind a veil of secrecy.

We need MORE political debate, not less. And we need to achieve a sense of reality about our non-transparent voting system.

I will support whatever War Democrat Diebold/ES&S chooses for me as my candidate, in the hope of convincing him/her that transparent elections are essential to democracy--the bottom line, yo!--and getting an easy nationwide solution from Congress (ban on "trade secret," proprietary programming, requirement of paper ballot backup, ban on partisan vendors, etc.) from that person when they are Diebolded in office in '08 (to take the blame for Bush's disasters), and to prevent a pre-Hitler scenario of a left/center split.

Doesn't mean I'm happy about it. It sucks. And, by God, I'm going to debate it here! And if there is any chance of PREVENTING Diebold/ES&S from choosing the Democratic candidate in '08, which will mean continuation of the Mideast slaughter--no matter what the people in this country want--I will most certainly work toward that end, until I have no choices left.

--------------------------

Throw Diebold, ES&S and all election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

That is what we have to do!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:34 PM
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39. So you pick a thread where a Democrat just spoke out clearly.
.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:52 AM
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49. I'm all for Democrats speaking out clearly, madfloridian, but I've been
around a lo-o-o-o-o-o-ong time--forty years as a loyal Democratic voter and activist, first vote for president in 1964.

And that was an interesting vote. I voted for the "peace candidate" LBJ (that's how the Democratic Party advertised him), and got upwards of two million people slaughtered in Vietnam and Southeast Asia for my trouble.

So I'm a skeptic of the first order. When Democrats start talking about peace, all the red flags go up for me. In what way are they lying?--is generally the best question to ask.

In Howard Dean's case, in my opinion--a rare case--the lies (or rather, in his case, the omissions) are somewhat forgivable. I think he knows what's what. I think his heart is in the right place. But I think he is under constraints. The constraints have to do with the war profiteers who are running this country and its media monopolies, and are very dangerous people (they destroyed HIS antiwar campaign, for instance), and with the fraudulent election system, now controlled by two rightwing Bushite corporations--Diebold and ES&S--using 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls. With half the Dem Party leadership in the war camp, and Dem election officials and legislators deeply involved in the corruption wrought by the $4 billion "Help America Vote Act" boondoggle, he can't really tell the truth about the Bush junta and its dreadful war--and why/how we have such a terrible president and Congress. He has to walk a tightrope in order to attain and maintain any power to do good. I don't make exceptions like this often. I don't much sympathize with this kind of tightrope walking, in general. If it's a Congressperson, say, who voted for Bush's war--or, to be more precise, voted to give away Congress' war powers to George Bush, an unconstitutional act, and a violation of the Congressional oath of office--they simply cannot be a good representative of the American people (58% of whom opposed Bush's war BEFORE the invasion!), and I know that person is seriously compromised and will likely engage in lying and deceit to protect and enrich war profiteers.

With Dean, who couldn't vote on the war, what I have to go on is what he said during the campaign and what he's saying now. Several things struck me about what he said during the campaign: a) against the war; b) need for serious curtailment of military budgets; c) need to bust up the corporate news monopolies (and it was right after he said that--mere days, as I recall--when they destroyed his campaign with the doctored shout tape).

So he truly has the interests of the American people at heart--if his campaign statements are to be believed, and I tend to think he is sincere. But he is unable to maintain such strong positions now--because (from his point of view) he's DNC chair and responsible for getting Dems elected, no matter how they voted on the war; he has a rival in the pro-war DLC; and he inherited the dreadful election system situation from his corrupt predecessors, and is faced with a highly corrupt election system establishment. (In Calif, for instance, the citizen group that has sued the state over the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson, has had to sue 18 country registrars as well, some of them Democrats--some Calif Dem election officials and legislators are very corrupt on this matter.)

How can he do his job while fighting nationwide bipartisan corruption among election officials--who now have improper power over election results in a highly secretive, non-transparent election system--and while exposing the companies themselves, who have what should be completely illegal, PRIVATE power over vote tabulation? He risks a big split in the Dem party leadership ranks, and the hostility of election officials, if he tells the truth in the way that it should be told (shouted from the rooftops! Beware, beware, beware of Bushite corporations controlling the tabulation of our votes!!!). He has to work more quietly--or he feels that he does.

I have little doubt that Howard Dean would be dead if he had somehow won the 2004 nomination--because he had the kind of charisma, and professed the kind of representative American views, that could have overcome the fraudulent election system that was put into place in the 2001-2004 period. Kerry did not have that charisma, nor representative views Although I think Kerry won by about a 5% margin, he needed more than that to beat "trade secret" Bushite vote tabulation. As it was, they had to implement the Ohio plan, Plan B--massive, overt suppression of the Democratic vote--in order to reverse his 5% win. I think Dean would have overcome THAT, too--but he never would have made it to the White House. I've lived through three assassinations of US leaders who supported the cause of peace (four, if you count Paul Wellstone), and conditions were similar back then in the 1960s: the war profiteers on a looting rampage. They would not have allowed a populist, antiwar candidate to take over the US government in 2004. They could not even afford an investigator like Kerry, though he was essentially pro-war. The dirt, crime and looting were just too humongous by then.

This, too, is part of what Howard Dean is up against--fear, pervasive, palpable, anthrax-attack influenced, perhaps Wellstone-influenced, Bushite domestic spying-influenced FEAR. The fascists can ruin you in a hundred different ways. And they can kill you if necessary, and get away with it. They own the US government. They "outed" a CIA agent, for godssakes, and destroyed her entire counter-proliferation project, twenty years in the making, putting all of her covert agents and contacts at risk of getting killed. And they have yet to be held accountable for it. What could they not do?

And today's conditions are far worse than in the '60s. Today, the fascists are bent on reducing us to slaves and cannon fodder. They are impoverishing us, and destroying everything we hold dear. They have no respect for human rights or civil rights or the US Constitution. These global predators have no interest any more in the "golden goose" of the American middle class. In fact, they are deliberately looting and killing it, in favor of Chinese and other markets, and are actively selling our country's assets and humongous debt to foreign governments. And today all major news organizations are war profiteers and global corporate predators themselves, and cover up for this fascist government. The scandal of Bushite controlled vote tabulation, for instance, would have been all over the newspapers and TV news in the 1960s. This incredible news story has been black-holed by the current news monopolies.

These are difficult, dangerous times, like nothing else I have seen in my lifetime--and like nothing I know of in history (although there are instructive similarities to the fall of the Roman Empire, to Hitler and to Stalin). I have nothing but compassion for someone whom I think is trying to work for the good in these circumstances--as I think Howard Dean is--and I feel pity for some whom I think have mixed bags of motives (like Kerry). But I think it is a very big mistake to regard these as normal political times, and to think that a normal political game is being played. We need to address this situation, and strategize, from a position of truth and reality--not pipe dreams of taking over the Congress this year, or the White House in '08, with rightwing Bushite corporations having gained "trade secret" control over the tabulation of all of our votes. The 2004 election was not an election. It was a coup. Non-transparent elections are not elections. They are tyranny. That's what we have.

Dean is speaking some truth, but he is not speaking all of it. I admit, though, that it is refreshing to hear SOME truth spoken--and spoken well--in the Bush junta "news." I do admire Dean for his courage and tenacity. It takes a very sturdy person, and a true patriot, to do what he is doing.

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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:21 PM
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30. He may be the voice of OUR party, but it seems that the assholes
that call themselves Dems in Congress don't seem to know that. Instead of blasting the shit out of us, why don't you write/call/fax every single one of them who go out of their way to distance themselves from Gov. Dean any time he says anything. Start with Reid and Pelosi, then work your way down.

I'd think by now that they'd realize that 9 times out of 10, every time they tried to paint Howie as a raving lunatic, he's been proven right.

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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:26 PM
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46. GAWD is that a great and important point
...every time (Reid and Pelosi and all the other DLC-tainted Dems) tried to paint Howie as a raving lunatic, he's been proven right.

Beautiful!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:11 AM
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48. His view of party ORGANIZATION is both progressive and radical
And it is working, too. I never liked his centrist views on policy, but that doesn't matter now at all.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:56 AM
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11. I love that pic in your sigline!
And the statement is correct.

BTW, did you see the Gore video posted here? He said Tipper took that pic of him one halloween, and the President called on the Presidential phone. LOL - I think it's hilarious that he's talking to the President dressed like that.

:hi:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:04 PM
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20. Yes, I did see that in the video. And someone with enough of a sense
of humor to show that and tell the story is OK with me!

I'm glad more people are seeing the video, so they realize I didn't photoshop that pic!

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:51 AM
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5. I'm not angry at anyone for being cautious.
It is one reason I moved back to the middle in most ways, because we can not please some unless perfect.

I consider he delivered a condemnation of Bush and his administration, and he called him out on his incompetence.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:57 AM
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12. I don't criticize them for that. I criticize them for VOTING FOR IT
in the first place...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:03 PM
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19. Not even Murtha is calling for immediate withdrawl - "now."
Dean did a fabulous job IMHO.

:hi:
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:50 AM
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3. oh yea, it's time to talk about BUBAR - BushedUpBeyondAllRecognition
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:51 AM
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6. Dean said for us to concentrate on 2k6. Let's see if DU can follow
his instructions!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:39 PM
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40. "Stick to '06". Good advice. (n/t)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:53 AM
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8. Repeat after me..."henchmen."
Oh, boy, Governor, you will catch it for that.

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:58 AM
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14. You caught that too MF? I loved it - "henchmen, henchmen, henchmen" -nt
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 02:12 PM
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42. Henchmen! Love it!
It's effective because it's true!
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:57 AM
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13. & he does it with a killer smile. I was so glad he jumped on this
"leaving the Iraq mess" to the next president in 2009 idea! My jaw fell to the floor when Bush said that. I've always believed it to be so, but to openly admit it still shocked me.

Dean just gets better and better handling the media.

Thanks for speaking the truth (yet again), Good Doctor!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:59 AM
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15. Let's see, a Democrat speaks out powerfully, and DUers fight.
He had to nearly fight to get heard over Soledad's silliness, and we are fighting the Iraq War all over again.

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:01 PM
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16. fairly mild, so far. -eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:03 PM
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18. So far, key words.
I was glad he let her know about the president getting to say anything he wanted because he is president, and the Democrats have to fight to be heard.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:02 PM
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17. Outstanding. What a DNC Chair.
No one can do it like this man.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:04 PM
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21. YOU said it! Isn't it refreshing!?
A breath of fresh air! :hi:
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clu Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:09 PM
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24. dean always kicks ass
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:11 PM
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26. "Nobody does it better ...."
Everyone should study how Dean handles the debate here. He refused to be cut off ONCE. Recommended.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:13 PM
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27. Howard Dean did a great job on "American Morning"!
He made his points - told the truth about the Repugs screwing up everything, then wanting to leave the mess for another President to clean up down the road. The Repugs don't want to take responsibility for anything.

He also made the point that the media reported dutifully everything The Bush Corporation™ tells them to report, while the Dems don't get much attention. Perhaps that's why people don't know about the Dems plan, ever think about that, Soledad?

He made the "henchmen" comment - great! Loved it! The truth is awesome!

He shut up Soledad, too. She wasn't going to give him the opportunity to make his point, she wanted to fragment his comments so they were jumbled up, and Dean didn't let her.

I'm very proud of the Democrats when people like Howard Dean and Russ Feingold have the opportunity to talk: they're both intelligent, handsome, and articulate, which is something we don't get from the Repug side.

A final note to Soledad O'Brien: your hairdo looked great on Marlo Thomas in That Girl in 1969...today...not so hot on you. And your flippant attitude also makes you an ineffective anchor.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:16 PM
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28. Great comments...her "flippant attitude" showed a lot today.
She was not about to let him finish, and he just kept talking. I believe people like her are trained to interrupt with drivel when the person being interviewed gets to a serious point.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:00 PM
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31. See my post on Biden (saying he's running in '08).
Post #27, at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183922


We are going to have a pro-Iraq war Democratic candidate foisted upon us by Diebold/ES&S no matter what we think, and no matter how big the number gets of Americans opposed to this heinous war (nearly 60% BEFORE the invasion--in Feb. '03--up to, I think, 80% today).

It's just not in the cards, friends, for any true populist/antiwar candidate to win--and Howard Dean knows this, I'm sure. We don't have the power any more to choose or elect candidates who reflect the overwhelming views of the majority of Americans--which are progressive and antiwar (read the issue polls!).

That power was taken away by the two biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney, when they pushed through the $4 billion "Help America Vote Act" boondoggle, which completely corrupted and destroyed our election system during the 2001-2004 period, and permitted the takeover of our elections by two rightwing Bushite corporations, Diebold and ES&S, using 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code with virtually no audit/recount controls.

Non-transparent elections are not elections. They are tyranny. That's what we have.

And the CORRUPTION wrought among election officials and legislators around the country, on a bipartisan basis, by this $4 billion boondoggle, and the lack of controls on lavish lobbying, "revolving door" employment and other bribery, is WHY the Democratic Party leadership was silent throughout that period, and is near silent today, on the most egregious destruction of our democracy that has ever occurred--the destruction of our RIGHT TO VOTE!

I think Howard Dean is aware of most, if not all, of this--and his hands are tied, as to outspokenness on both on the war, and on non-transparent elections. I think he thinks he can do good working behind the scenes. Maybe he can.

But let's me clear about WHY it is impossible to elect someone who will end this war. It is not because the people like Bush. They overwhelmingly don't. It is not because the people like Bush's filthy war. They overwhelmingly don't. It is because the ELECTION SYSTEM IS BROKEN, and that was done very, very deliberately and with malice aforethought.

------------------------------------

Throw Diebold, ES&S and all election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:



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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:02 PM
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32. Dean is smarter and more honest than most politicians. He isn't
, IMO, a great speaker. He often misses some opportunities to win the arguments. But, on balance, I think he is doing a much better job as DNC chairman than Terry McCaulife.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:09 PM
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33. Some great speakers say nothing at all.
I disagree with you on that, actually. I think he is a powerful speaker, but no smooth orator.

I have had it up to here with smooth talkers.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:20 PM
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35. We have no disagreement. Your expression "but no smooth orator"
is just a tad more precise than what I said. Dean sometimes makes me uncomfortable when I hear him speak because of that lack of smoothness. When I use the term "speaker", I am basically talking about both technique and substance.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:22 PM
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37. "Smoothness" has gotten our country into a mess.
So he does not ever make me uncomfortable by his bluntness.

I agree he is not smooth. I heard smooth in the lead up to Iraq enough to last me a life time. I heard smooth in 04, and I am ready for blunt.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:29 PM
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38. Well, I'm a blunt person myself, so I should be tolerant of that.
But, I appreciate someone who is skilled at verbal expression. I recently heard a Feingold press conference and felt that he was strong in substance and style. He was smooth but not phony. President Carter is another example of smooth and profound. Murtha is rather blunt and I like him.
Cynthia McKinney, talk about blunt, yet powerful on substance. Bidden, nothing but glibness.
Gore does a great job of delivering a strong message.

Who do you like for the 2008 Presidential candidate?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 02:00 PM
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41. Too busy working for 2006 here to worry about 08.
:hi:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 02:13 PM
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43. Good point. If the Dems can get a large enough majority they
might be able to overwhelm the rigged Diebold machines. And if the Dems take over in 2006, lots of good things could begin to happen fast.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:11 PM
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34. All around excellent job!
Dr. Dean always gets his message out; don't try to tell a doctor his business.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 02:51 PM
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44. Straight up great! n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:09 PM
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45. I am always amazed at the way they interview Democrats.
On most of these shows they dig into them with snide remarks, stating polls, digs. They do not do this to the Republicans.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 10:53 PM
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47. "We've been lied to about what's going on in Iraq for a long time."
I just found this short transcription from the interview:

DEAN: Bush "has a complete disconnect from what is real in Iraq."

"We have been lied to about what is going on in Iraq for a long time. Reminds me of Vietnam, President Nixon, and VP Agnew."

AND and I found these two speeches of Nixon's, one from 1969, one from 1970...about how important it is to stay...some of it sounds eerily like today. At least our Democrats are pushing now for something that will avoid the cut and run. Now the Republicans will feel free to come with a cut and run plan just to show us whose boss.

You need to read these speeches, and remember how long that war went on (until 1973)and that 54,000 (I think) soldiers died. Only God knows how many Vietnamese civilians.

Nixon Nov. 3, 1969
http://vietnam.vassar.edu/doc14.html
"Let me now turn to our program for the future.
We have adopted a plan which we have worked out in cooperation with the South Vietnamese for the complete withdrawal of all U.S. combat ground forces, and their replacement by South Vietnamese forces on an orderly scheduled timetable. This withdrawal will be made from strength and not from weakness. As South Vietnamese forces become stronger, the rate of American withdrawal can become greater.
I have not and do not intend to announce the timetable for our program. And there are obvious reasons for this decision which I am sure you will understand."

And Nixon April 30 1970
http://vietnam.vassar.edu/doc15.html

"Good evening my fellow Americans:

Ten days ago, in my report to the Nation on Vietnam, I announced a decision to withdraw an additional 150,000 Americans from Vietnam over the next year. I said then that I was making that decision despite our concern over increased enemy activity in Laos, Cambodia, and in South Vietnam.
At that time, I warned that if I concluded that increased enemy activity in any fo these areas endangered lives of Americans remaining in Vietnam, I would not hesitate to take strong and effective measures.
Despite that warning, North Vietnam has increased its military aggression in all these areas, and particularly in Cambodia.
After full consultation with the National Security Council, Ambassador Bunker, General Abrams, and my other advisors, I have concluded that the actions of the enemy in the last 10 days clearly endanger the lives of Americans who are in Vietnam now and would constitute an unacceptable risk to those who will be there after withdrawal of another 150,000."


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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:31 PM
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50. I love that man!!!
:loveya:
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