Roses for Helen! Donate Today!

[helderheid]

Most of you are aware of our movement to have a repeat performance of honoring a hero by showering them with roses like we did for Barbara Boxer. This time, we want to do that for Helen Thomas, the only reporter that I've ever heard bring up PNAC in the corporate media.

For more info, go here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=726885&mesg_id=726885

You can donate now here:

http://www.starcampaign.com/donate.htm

Our delivery date is April 14th!

[soothsayer]

1. Sent $10!

[helderheid]

3. thank you! :)

[goclark]

2. Sent ~ so easy nt

[jean]

4. Bravo, Helen!

[gilpo]

5. Done and.....

Kick.

[FormerOstrich]

6. I was just let go at my job a little over a week ago...

but I still sent $5. Wish I could do more.

[MaggieSwanson]

38. Thank you, FormerOstrich!

I hope things look up for you soon. I'm in some pretty dire straits myself, but you inspired me to give as well.

Helen Thomas is a patriot, and so are you.

:patriot: :hug:

[FormerOstrich]

127. Thanks MaggieSwanson!!

Here is a link to my "O woe is me" thread. The reples have some really good tips.

I hope things start looking up for you! Just to let you know, your post brightened my day!!


Oops...on edit...thought I should paste the link after having claimed to provide it. hehehe http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=362&topic_id=211&mesg_id=211

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Sent a little bit.

[reichstag911]

8. Sent $5...Yeah, Helen! n/t

[mod mom]

9. done and kick!

[AndyA]

10. Done!

I'm so glad this finally got put together - Helen is a true American, and she has shown courage and conviction that I wish our representatives had.

[helderheid]

11. who owns www.thankyoupatriot.com ? My memory is horrid

I am worried about there being a problem with this being on a commerical website and wonder if it shouldn't be moved to thankyoupatriot.com - I have a disclaimer but I just want to be smart about this. Anyone know?

[Bill219]

13. DONE...

donated $20.00

[suffragette]

12. Done

Thank you so much for giving us this opportunity to thank Helen for persisting in pursuing the truth. How difficult that must have been, particularly as she was moved to the back of the room, ignored, then excoriated in an attempt to break her spirit and get her to stop asking the tough questions. When she's in the room questioning, I always feel she carries the people's voice.
I only wish I could give more.

[Beaverhausen]

14. Done

GOod job! I think she'll love this!

[helderheid]

15. you guys are amazing!! We need to talk about this - we have already

raised enough for 12 DOZEN (144 stems) roses!! What should our goal be???

[Beaverhausen]

17. well not to throw a wrench in the works

but could we maybe also send some to Russ Feingold? He deserves our thanks too.

[helderheid]

20. I like it

:)

[Beaverhausen]

22. Or to soldiers at Walter Reed?

[helderheid]

23. Or John Conyers?

[wakeme2008]

16. Done

:) :) :)

[troubleinwinter]

18. Done, and a kick!

[helderheid]

19. STOP - Seriously! We need to talk! What should our goal be? We have enough

now for 144 roses and then some! We've raised close to $250 in less than an hour! 144 roses (shipping included) are $180 - how many do we want to send her?

[Beaverhausen]

21. Send some to Russ Feingold?

[Binka]

24. Yes And I Will Deliver Them Tonight Around Midnight

:evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

31. Binka!!!!

:rofl:

[Binka]

34. Care To Join Us?

I have lots of good Nero D'Avolo wine from Sicily for us to enjoy!

[northofdenali]

129. Friend! Haven't I seen you recently

around Atlanta? :rofl:

:hug:

[prolesunited]

26. Since it's going well

How about including Olberman and Feingold as well?

[goclark]

42. I think we need a plan

I think it is a wonderful way to let our heroes know that we respect them.

But, how many flowers would it take to really make an impression?

$100, $250, $300????

Also, when I donated, it was for HELEN.

I'm OK with spreading it around to Feingold, Conyers etc. but we need a plan.

For example...

Each week/month we could select a hero to get the DU ROSES, the 1st group of folks that donates and reaches the "impressive level of Roses $$ amount" gets to have them sent in their names.

Just a thought!

[helderheid]

44. see post 40

[bleever]

29. Whoops -- donated before seeing this.

My bad.

:)

Send her as many as the money will buy.

And thanks so much for doing this, helderheid!

:yourock:

[hootinholler]

72. A roomfull.

Blanket the press corp seating. Deliver them to her at the WH. Let the rest of the poodle press corps see that people do pay attention.

-Hoot

[helderheid]

74. you know I would send them there but I fear they wouldn't get past

the front gate.

[Patsy Stone]

25. Done!

$5 is the least I can do for Helen.

Thanks for organizing this, helderheid!

[mirandapriestly]

27. I sent $8.00, there is nowhere to leave a message

but I guess it's pretty obvious what it's for "roses for helen". Thanks you guys who think of doing stuff like this!

[helderheid]

48. every donation from that page is marked "roses for helen" :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Done! And............

My donation of $10 is in the name of The Krystal Wand! Thank you for doing this and hugs!

[Gregorian]

30. She is going to LOVE this!

This feels so good.

Thanks for this thread.

[MaggieSwanson]

32. Done, K&R, and emailed to friends!

Thanks for getting this set up.

:patriot:
-Maggie

[eleny]

33. Done

K&R!

[lebkuchen]

35. The flowers will likely end up in a (VA etc.) hospital

making the donation a double-score.

[w8liftinglady]

36. done-and another suggestion

we can just keep a reserve to send whomever speaks out.I am all for positive reinforcement.Helen totally deserves this,and so do feingold,Lou Dobbs,Jack cafferty,Keith Olberman.These guys have been instrumental in bringing our issues to the forefront-and in the case of Dobbs and Cafferty,of bringing moderate republicans over to the dem side-which will be critical in 2006.

[movie_girl99]

37. done....eom

[laruemtt]

39. Done. Sent $10.

thanks for putting this together. love ya, Helen!!! :hug:

[helderheid]

40. UPDATE - We have enough to send Helen 288 roses!

Hi all - I realized while picking up my son at school that I shouldn't mix this fundraiser with anyone else for a couple reasons - one, it states that this money is going towards roses for Helen and that would be fraudulant for me to split it up to others, and two, I want this to be all about her. I think we should concentrate any other fund raising for Russ Feingold and/or John Conyers and/or Al Gore to go directly into their PACs - we could choose a hero a month or a week to just donate to them directly. What do you guys think?

[Coexist]

41. just came back - holy cow!

Do you still need my $10?

I agree - to move the money to another cause might incite some "observers" to cry Fraud. Please don't. I don't want something this nice to be made into something ugly. We know they are capable of it.

What a bunch of great people on this board!

[goclark]

56. Excellent idea! nt

[mod mom]

57. excellent idea. I like sending it to their pacs.

[helderheid]

43. UPDATE AGAIN!! What do you think - send her flowers every day up to

April 14th on a daily basis? Whatever money we raise that day goes to the flowers and we keep it up until April 14th?

[Nickster]

45. I think it'd have more impact if they all came at once. Not to mention

logistically, it would be easier to setup one big haul to the VA Hospital afterwards too, instead of making several little trips every day. Just my two cents.

[helderheid]

47. I was just thinking of the press it might bring, especially if these

flowers end up at VA hospitals ... but it would be a lot!

[Nickster]

49. I think the more flowers, the bigger the impact. I loved seeing the

pics of Boxer with all of her roses, it was great.

[helderheid]

50. well, we have enough now for 24 DOZEN :)

[Sydnie]

54. Couldn't resist

[helderheid]

58. how many did she end up with again?

[Beaverhausen]

53. I want them to end up with the soldiers at the VA hospitals

I still think any extra we have should be sent to them.

someone here must know a bit about Walter Reed and how to get some flowers to the wounded soldiers there.

[ellenfl]

46. done! helen is a jem and deserves all the roses we can

send her! thanks for this.

ellen fl

[ellenfl]

51. considering ko's performance this week, i think he should

be next. he outdid himself. so did jon stewart with his montage (rambling man) of tueday(?) night.

i have been spreading out $ to candidates lately (a little here and a little there can add up) but i agree that we should let the very few voices of truth in the media now that they have an appreciative audience.

ellen fl

[Sydnie]

52. I totally agree that KO should be next

He needs to feel the love ... and the fact that no one has ever done that for O'Lielly makes it all the better! He will have fun with it!

We can include a few KOEB mugs too!

[bleever]

123. Here's a thing...as a guy...

Syd, I'm guessing that he'd rather feel all the love through high ratings, good word of mouth, and the credibility that his honesty keeps piling up, rather than a flood of flowers. My two cents, especially since he's so very deserving.

But still: props to making sure he feels the love!


:hi:

[Sydnie]

148. but we neded some "outward expression" that

shows how we feel and gives him a way to stick it to O"Lielly too.

So, what else can you send a guy (for the ties that bind)?

:hug: Have I told you lately .... you know the rest. :loveya:

[helderheid]

55. UDPATE: We're shy $124 to buy 36 DOZEN ROSES - that's 432 roses!

I'm giddy!

[Beaverhausen]

60. Why don't you just stop and send them to her tomorrow?

I mean, the sooner the better, right? Before she gets swift-boated or whatever.

[helderheid]

62. I was thinking the same thing - first check my post 61 though

[Beaverhausen]

63. I vote to spread the love around

[helderheid]

64. I'm confused...

what do you mean? Did you see post 61?

[Beaverhausen]

66. I meant instead of giving 4500 to Helen, if you collect more money...

...then send flowers to others like Feingold, Olbermann, etc.

[helderheid]

67. AH! Then you need to see my post 40! LOL :) I feel silly telling you

to look at other posts. :) Oh well! Thanks so much again for all your help!!

[liberalnurse]

159. No, the thread identified Helen.....

Changing things in mid stream is deceptive. Another day or another donation plan for the others. Helen gets roses for what this thread has generated.

The alternative, potiential recipients should of been thought of in the beginning.

That is my take on the issue.

[helderheid]

170. Absolutely - see post 40 :)

[Hamlette]

59. done, I LOVE the "montly roses club" idea.

We could do a poll each month on who gets that months' roses. Here's a suggestion: Helen this month, troops in the hospital next month, Olberman the month after that...then Olberman can say "These roses are from Democratic Underground which picks worthy people who defend our rights. Last month they sent them to the soldiers in the hospital."

Or something like that. Press would be nice.

[lostnfound]

70. Done. And I also LOVE the monthly roses idea, if organic. nt

[helderheid]

61. QUESTION math wizzes - tell me if I have this right

I saw on www.thankyoupatriot.com that Barbara Boxer ended up with 4500 roses. The organic florist is selling to us 144 roses (12 dozen) for $180 (including shipping). If my math is right, in order for us to send Helen 4500 roses, we would need to raise $5625.00 - do I have that right?

[helderheid]

68. Any math wizzes? Do I have this right? Do we want this as our goal?

[RazzleDazzle]

98. No, please, please.

You can have ENORMOUS impact without wasting money. There's a point of not just diminishing returns but where what's given becomes a real nuisance. Yeah, sure, they'll be sent to hospitals and such, but figure out some other wonderful way to use the excess money -- with consent from the donors, of course.

I would thank 12 doz. roses ought to be QUITE sufficient. Perhaps even less. 72 is a lovely number (6 doz) actually.

BUY A FREAKING AD with the rest. Or something a bit more useful than severe overkill on this idea.

[suziedemocrat]

103. I think you've got it. I'm donating in the morning - wait for me!!!

I think they should all go to Helen. Have a person of the month and this month is Helen.

4500/144 = 31.25 * 180 = 5625

[fooj]

65. Done! Excellent idea.

I bet if we contacted John Murtha he could make sure that they get over to Walter Reed...

Just a thought.

Peace.

[mod mom]

69. Helderheid, A friend suggested WHITE ROSES in honor of White Rose

Society. just a suggestion.

[helderheid]

71. I just got an email with that suggestion - this will change the price -

what do you think?

[hootinholler]

75. I like it!

They should go to her at the WH. Fill up the press corps room. It could end up on cspan.

-Hoot

[helderheid]

76. the Whitehouse would never let them past the gate unfortunately

[hootinholler]

77. I bet they would.

How do husbands of the secretaries send their honeys flowers?

There must be someone who can deliver there.

-Hoot

[helderheid]

113. I'm sure one bouquet would get through after it was inspected - but we

have so many - do you think it would get through? Then again - having to inspect so many flowers for our dear Helen - that would be an interesting picture!

[helderheid]

73. UPDATE: We're $76 shy of being able to order 36 DOZEN roses!

We got Barbara Boxer 4500 roses - do we want the same goal? 36 dozen isn't close to 4500 roses (it's 432) but that is a LOT - what do we want our goal to be? Or should we just let this play out until April 13 ? I'm thinking the sooner we send the better - what say all y'all?

[AndyA]

81. Let it accumulate over a few days, then send them early next week

I don't think it's necessary to send her thousands, although that would certainly make a statement.

I think we need to do it now, instead of letting too much time pass. Helen is hot on the news circuit right now, this would likely get quite a bit of press just because everyone is paying attention to her now.

[flpoljunkie]

83. Send her red roses, if you send flowers. Her nails are always painted red.

[mimitabby]

84. give it a little time!!

i will probably donate money later on today or tomorrow.
i'm at work!

[RazzleDazzle]

99. Please see my earlier post

please.

[xiamiam]

111. give it a little while longer..i just got her to see this thread..others

will want to send a rose or two as well...feels great...

[Synnical]

78. Done and thanks

For your work, helderheid. It's appreciated. :applause:

[LiviaOlivia]

79. Done.

$16.00 towards roses for Helen.

[wakeme2008]

80. kick

:kick:

[Coexist]

82. .

:kick:

[blue4barb]

85. Made a donation for Helen. Monthly recipient is a great idea.

[KAT119]

86. Thank you helderheid and everyone! Helen Holds Torch for Truth & Justice

ALONE--- in the most important place on Earth-WH Press Corps!!! What a Hero!!! Goddess of Light!! Unwavering @ 85!!!

[helderheid]

87. Have I mentioned how much I love y'all?? UPDATE

You are all so marvelous! We have enough now to buy her 36 DOZEN ROSES! 432 stems!

Some thoughts on some suggestions:

I will let this go for a few days so everyone who wants to donate has that opportunity - who doesn't love Helen?

On the color of the roses - the price quote I got was for assorted colors. I know some are suggesting white like the White Rose Society during that horrible time in Germany. 2 things on that - I think that may actually distract from the simple "Thank you" we are giving Helen and 2, white can also be a symbol of death - I would hate to send those. I think the more colorful and full of life the better. But these are my thoughts.

Thank you ALL!!!!

:grouphug:

[GardeningGal]

88. Just made my contribution...I prefer all colors.

I think we need to keep the message simple - thanks for asking the tough questions and holding Bush accountable. A colorful display of flowers at the beginning of spring lifts spirits!

[helderheid]

89. I gotta agree with ya GardenGal!

[MaggieSwanson]

102. I prefer assorted colors, too. n/t

[Roxy66]

97. Red Roses....nt

[helderheid]

90. by the way, thanks for all the rec's y'all!

:grouphug:

[Synnical]

91. Kick

:kick:

[helderheid]

92. thanks!

[Mojorabbit]

93. 20 via paypal sent eom

[Geek_Girl]

94. Done

Let us know when they are sent.

[helderheid]

95. you bet - I'll leave this up through the weekend and order on Monday -

does this sound good to all you-wonderful-alls?

[Synnical]

100. Sounds good to me - question, though

They're going to deliver the roses in boxes - will they also be sending some sort of vase or bucket to put the flowers in once they are delivered?

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[helderheid]

101. GOOD QUESTION!!

Let me ask

[helderheid]

106. Got your answer - this is what they emailed me back:

Yes to both questions. Our flowers are packed and shipped via FED EX overnight service and we can include some vases with the roses.

Keep us posted! This is really exciting!

[Roxy66]

96. I donated!! Thank you Helen!

[wakeme2008]

104. What no posts in two hours

now now now :) :)

I just want to see Scottie boy's face when he heards about this ..... And he will heard about it ...


Maybe our next drive should be dog turds for Scottie :rofl:

[NastyRiffraff]

105. Yes! Leave it up thru the weekend and thanks!

I get paid tomorrow and I don't want to miss out :) I love Helen!

[helderheid]

107. TOTAL $ UPDATE:

So far: $620 !

[astonamous]

108. I just added $10 and also sent the link to a few friends.

Thanks for doing this.

[helderheid]

109. Thank you! :) I feel so happy about this and I just can't wait to see her

face! It feels so good to be doing something that is so full of good vibes!! Now we do need to think about a press release... I can fax them out of my program :evilgrin:

[xiamiam]

110. thanks...done and feels great...hope she feels great joy ....nt

[blue4barb]

134. Will someone be able to take her photograph with the flowers

like the beautiful photo of Barbara Boxer on the www.thankyoupatriot.com site? I love looking at Senator Boxer among the gorgeous flowers and hope we can see Helen standing among hers.

[Vadem]

112. Done! I sent money via PayPal.......n/t

[helderheid]

114. UPDATE! $74 dollars short of 48 DOZEN ROSES! 576 ROSES!

[helderheid]

115. Anyone wanna call Mike Malloy show about this?

1-866-303-2270

[helderheid]

117. Anyone? I am such a chicken! I shake!

[Synnical]

118. Anyone have a Diary at Daily Kos so they can link to this?

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[helderheid]

119. Thank you!! I don't - that would be great!

[EC]

116. Done... n/t

[cynatnite]

120. Done! $5.00 donation

Helen is my hero!

[Flying Dream Blues]

121. Done for $10...best $10 I've spent in ages! nt

[ms.smiler]

122. There is symbolism to the color of roses.

My own suggestion is that deep pink roses would say "thank you" and denote appreciation and admiration. One red rose among the deep pink roses could be suggestive of Helen, a respected woman of courage and an uncommon journalist in her profession.

http://www.rosaflora-flowers.com/meaning-of-roses.html

Red Roses
Red roses convey a simple message: "I love you". This makes them the ultimate symbol of romantic love and the most popular choice on Valentine's Day. Other meanings for red roses include desire, passion, courage, respect, beauty and sincerity. A red rosebud symbolizes purity and loveliness.

Coral Roses
Coral roses speak of desire and passion.

Lilac or Lavender Roses
Lilac roses reveal love at first sight or enchantment.

Orange Roses
Orange roses communicate desire, enthusiasm and fascination. They make an excellent choice for a new relationship that you wish to pursue further.

Peach Roses
Peach roses express gratitude, appreciation, admiration or sympathy. They can also convey sociability and friendship and send the message “Let's get together “. A pale peach rose symbolizes modesty.

Pink Roses
In general, pink roses symbolize grace, gentility and happiness and express appreciation and gratitude.

Pale Pink Roses
Pale pink roses connote grace, joy, gentility and gratitude.

Light Pink Roses
Light pink roses suggest happiness and fun. Like all pink roses, they also convey admiration and appreciation.

Deep Pink Roses
Deep pink roses say "Thank you". They also express appreciation, admiration, sincerity and sympathy.

White Roses
Second only to red roses in popularity, white roses symbolize truth and innocence. They also represent silence, secrecy, reverence, humility, youthfulness and charm. You can use them to say, "You're heavenly", "I miss you" and “I'm worthy of you”. A white rosebud symbolizes girlhood.

Yellow Roses
Yellow roses symbolize friendship and freedom, so are not specifically romantic roses. They convey congratulations, joy, gladness and delight. But they also promise a new beginning, say “Welcome back” and “Remember me”, and can convey jealousy and caring. Yellow roses with red tips symbolize friendship and falling in love.

[ClayZ]

124. We just chipped in a bit!

Thanks for doing this!

[Carla in Ca]

125. I'll be happy to donate $10.00

but how about one delivery to David Gregory. He has battled against little snotty Scotty like a true warrior. He deserves it.

[BewilderedCitizen]

126. Done. Thank you for setting this up.

[northofdenali]

128. Done. She is a lady and scholar -

not to mention she has more balls than 98% of the rest of the press corps!!

Kick for the late-night crowd (or early morning, as that may be) from a snowy city in Alaska!

[Rainscents]

130. Donated!

She deserve more than ROSE!!!

[TheUnspeakable]

131. Just sent $10.00 -so happy to do this!

[suziedemocrat]

132. Just sent $15.00 - Love you Helen!!!

[sagesnow]

133. Two of us sent $15.00 each.

GO Helen!

[xiamiam]

135. was wondering if you will actually thank her for being the only journalist

(as far as i know)..to question pnac and the war?..i support her and others like her..i love keith o...but having the balls to add correctly is what promptrd this..just like when boxer stood up ....was wondering if you would say PNAC? in the thank you card?

[helderheid]

136. That was my plan - to thank her for having the courage to bring up PNAC in

the corporate media and for standing up to *

[xiamiam]

137. great..and thanks for doing this..she says the truth will win out...and i

applaud that she at least brought pnac to the table of mmm...

[in_cog_ni_to]

138. Done!

$20.00 for Helen! She deserves it!

[helderheid]

139. TOTALS UPDATE:

We are now at $820 - which means we can afford 48 DOZEN roses for her and we are shy $80 in order to buy her 60 DOZEN!

Y'all ROCK!

[katinmn]

143. Just made a sm donation. Thank you, Helen!

Thanks, helderheid, for taking the initiative.

[RayOfHope]

140. Donated! Love ya, Helen! n/t

[xiamiam]

141. see this new du link...this is a question that must be asked

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x741853

maybe a little publicity with the roses will at least put this question on the table

[helderheid]

142. that is AWESOME!

[xiamiam]

144. she replies she probably wont get a chance to ask it...maybe we

ask it for her?..:think:

[helderheid]

maybe in our press release about the roses?? :)

[wakeme2008]

145. LOL Scottie will know all about it

and that should be fun.

[MsUSA]

146. I'm in, and I'm so happy to contribute......

:kick:

[kimpossible]

147. Done. Please update the OP

Please update the original post with the cutoff day for donations. I almost gave up and went away, thinking I was too late because it said "donate today" from yesterday. Luckily, my need to procrastinate a little longer before getting back to work took over, and I scanned down through the msgs to see that it's still open.

Nice idea, BTW. Hopefully it will make at least a bit of a splash to bring some attention to Helen, and inspire more journalists to grow up and act like her!

:toast:

[spuddonna]

149. Ah! Did I miss out?

Are you still accepting donations? :(

[wakeme2008]

150. as far as I know yes... the OP will cut it off and she has not

as of now... The delivery date is the 14th of next month...

[helderheid]

152. DONATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND!

[helderheid]

151. TOTALS UPDATE!

We're at $870 which has us $30 shy of buying 60 DOZEN roses! Go DU!

[in_cog_ni_to]

154. OMG! 60 DOZENS???!

:bounce: Helen is gonna flip! This is such a great idea, helderheid.

[helderheid]

153. DONATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED ALL WEEKEND - I will order the roses on Monday

[in_cog_ni_to]

155. Will your supplier have that many roses? n/t

[helderheid]

156. yes:

http://www.organicbouquet.com/

[liberalnurse]

157. I did my donation....

I sent $15.00. Will this be identified as a Democratic Underground promotion? I hope so...........

[bleever]

158. Be prepared in case you're invited to be on Countdown, helderheid.

:)

[helderheid]

160. Holy moly!

:wow: hehe!

[helderheid]

161. There has been some confusion - EVERYONE read post 40 please

[Generic Other]

162. sent $5.00 becuase Helen deserves it

Look how long Bush ignored her.

[helderheid]

163. JUst got this from the florist:

Once you’ve determined the size of the order and the date you want them delivered, I’ll talk to Gerald. He’ll want to make this something really great!

This is fantastic! Keep us posted!

[Coexist]

164. thank you so much helderheid, for taking charge of this

:hug:


for you!

[helderheid]

169. awww! They are gorgeous!

:hug:

[suffragette]

166. Better and better

Wow - look at the power of one great idea and a few people willing to turn that idea into reality.
:applause:

[xiamiam]

165. 2 questions..dont see this on the greatest page any longer...

any chance the mods would leave it on over the weekend?...and secondly
is the delivery date still the 14th?..

[helderheid]

167. I love your suggestion - would love it pinned too! Delivery date - sooner

the better some of us have been thinking since she is hot in the press right now!

[xiamiam]

173. exactly...

[helderheid]

171. Another thought - should we start a 2nd thread and get that one nominated?

[xiamiam]

174. go for it...and i also think that the other thread with the email

from the duer to helen and the pnac question ...they kind of go hand in hand dont you think?..maybe you could reference it...only if you think its a good idea...just a suggestion..

[helderheid]

168. UPDATE!

$6 shy of 60 DOZEN ROSES!

[MsUSA]

172. Oh my gawd.......60 dozen.......

she deserves it, how many did we send Barbara??? Anyone know?? :toast: DU!!

[helderheid]

176. 4500 roses :)

[Kare]

175. I put in my $5

Wish it could be more Helen is great.

[helderheid]

177. NEW THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x744488