I'm not ultraliberal. Am I the "base"?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

I supported invading Afghanistan but not Iraq.

I'm not for banning handguns.

I'm for the right to abortion for all 9 months but not taxpayer funded.

But I hate the cowardly idiot Little Lord Pissypants.

I'll DEFINITELY vote for Hillary or any other Democrat who gets called "establishment" around here over ANY REPUKE in 2008. I think people who won't are thumbsucking bedwetters.

Am I the Democratic Base or is that the thumbsucking bedwetters?

[Teaser]

1. I'll vote for Hillary, but she'll lose

I'm not ultra liberal either. I am liberal. I am progressive. I am the base. And I am loyal to Democrats.

But Hillary is a horrible candidate.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. I agree, she'd be a bad candidate but I'd vote for her.

Instead of "staying home"

[salin]

3. While I agree with most of what you say...

Calling others "thumbsucking bedwetters" seems to me continuing the infighting that puts our energies in check when we need them the most - which at this momsent has nothing to do with an election 3 years away, and everything to do with trying to take over at least one side of Congerss in order to slow down the damage of jr's policies, and to start real investigations into the multitude of bad-faith actions of the past 5 yrs of jrs administration.

[New Government]

4. Answer

You ARE the base among Democrats in general.
Among activists? No way, as far as most of them are concerned you're a freeper wannabe. It's sad, but true.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

6. Nader got 2%. I can't see how that's the base

but you're right, that makes me a "freeper wannabe"

[Iris]

5. Guess I'm a thumbsucking bedwetter.

And as I'm not part of the base, I'm more than likely not going to vote at all in the next presidential election.

[Rowdyboy]

23. Considering the enormity of the threats to our basic civil liberties and

the dangers of a total theocratic takeover of this country, I simply can't understand how anyone could sit at home because Democratic nominee was imperfect. You have a right to your feelings and your opinion, but I hope you're merely expressing your distaste for the media forcing the myth of Hillary as the unstoppable nominee.

If we can't find common ground in 2008, imagine the country in 2016 after 3 more years of Bush and 8 years of McCain, Guiliani, Allen or Romney. I hope you will see things a bit differently when it really matters-early November, 2008.

[Iris]

24. If the Democratic party would put up a viable candidate, great.

But I'm sick of just giving my vote to whomever they happen to fund that year.

[crispini]

29. "Southpark" put it best.

Remember the episode where they had to vote on the school mascot? And their choice was between voting for a douchebag and a shit sandwich?

You are ALWAYS going to have two candidates, one that is bad and one that is less bad. One of those two candiates will win. That's just the nature of the beast. So if you're liberal at all, suck it up and vote for the Democrat, even if the Democrat's a douchebag, because the OTHER candidate is always worse.

[Iris]

30. Sorry, but it's just been getting worse and worse.

I'm sick of the lesser of the two evil argument.

[crispini]

32. What's your alternative?

[Iris]

33. Not voting.

Sorry, but that's where I am right now. I'll vote in state and local elections, of course, but I'm so over the Democrats in Washington right now, I have no desire to support them in any way.

[rucky]

7. If you had a handful of pebbles whose average weight was 2 oz

would they all weigh the same?

[BillZBubb]

8. Sounds like you are a thumbsucking bedwetter.

and part of the Democratic base.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. why do you say that

:shrug:

[Just Me]

9. You're in my base,....

,...if that means anything. :hug:

I am a strong advocate towards social and economic justice. Nevertheless, my "base" includes everyone as an advocate for social and economic justice.

Make sense? :shrug:

[Appalachian_American]

10. What's your problem with taxpayer funded abortion?

I could understand having a problem with abortion. But I don't understand having a problem with specifically taxpayer funded abortion. I'm guessing that taxpayer funded abortions are for people who qualify for welfare or Medicaid. So legal abortions are only for those who can afford them.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. so many people are against it that

to me they shouldn't have to pay for it. I know there are a million things the government does that people are against but that one seems closer than other issues to intruding on someone's most personal beliefs

[Clarkie1]

16. I'm against the war, and I still pay my taxes. n/t

[Texasgal]

13. You better leave after this post!

This is not tolerated on DU! :P

[ulysses]

14. perhaps a more honest title for the OP

"Liberals are thumbsucking bedwetters. Heh! Like that one? I got it from the radio."

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. Nope. Liberals who "sit out" elections are thumbsucking bedwetters

or who vote for people they know won't win.

[ulysses]

19. my point stands.

Enjoy your wingnut jargon.

[Binka]

36. It Appears To Me To Be A Bit More Than Jargon BTW Nice Baby!

You son is so beautiful! My daughter that I nearly miscarried when Bush stole the 2000 election is soon to be five. Enjoy every minute, my oldest son, the one Bush sent to be killed in Ramadi is going to be 25 two weeks after Peyton turns five. They are only young for such a short time.

[ulysses]

38. thanks! you've got a couple of good looking kids yourself.

:)

[Iris]

26. Ok. So we're supposed to vote for whomever is nominated.

But we are thumbsucking bedwetters because we vote for them even if they won't win?

My God, I've woken up in Limbaughland!

[LWolf]

31. No wonder I spend so much time

establishing rules of common courtesy, like "no name calling," in my classroom. If only adults could hold themselves to the same standards we teach children. :eyes:

I won't cast a vote for someone I can't support. I don't care what party they belong to. I always vote. ALWAYS. I take my vote seriously. I honor my right to vote, and the inherent responsibility that goes with it, by choosing the candidate I think is best for the job. If they "won't win," that's the mainstream "I'll hold my nose and vote for somebody I don't really care for, just so the one I hate more will lose" group's problem. If you want my vote, you can nominate someone I think deserves it, or whine all the way to the next election. Or just logically accept that the candidate chosen is going to gain votes in some areas, and lose them in others. Whose vote do you value? It's ok with me if you prefer the "centrist," "moderate," or other euphemism for a little to the right of center vote. Just don't expect many votes from the left, and don't whine when you don't get them.

I take my vote seriously enough not to be bullied into voting for less than the best.

The bullying does piss me off, though. My general reaction to a bully is to refuse to toe their line, on principle. A campaigner who uses bullying as a tactic to convince people to vote obediently, rather than thoughtfully, pretty much guarantees that my vote will go somewhere else.

I wonder if I'm the only voter who makes choices based on issues and record, and puts less preferred candidates on the "do not vote for" list because of obnoxious supporters' bully tactics? Ah, well. The "L" in front of "Wolf" says it all.

[Binka]

34. You Are Not The Only One LWolf

I've just added some new people to my ignore list after reading this drivel.

[ConsAreLiars]

15. So you believe people on disability - SSI or SSDI -

should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term even if it will kill the mother? And so on?

Interesting.

What other rights most "normal" people would regard as essential to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" do you think should be available only to those who have high enough earnings or inherited wealth? Why do you think some medical procedures should only be available to the rich? I assume you oppose extending other types of medical care to the poor. Want to list the other types of care you would deny the poor and disabled?

(edit typo)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. Sure if it's a health issue state should pay

and there should be privately funded charities to pay for the ones that aren't health risks

[ConsAreLiars]

21. And if your imaginary charities don't come through?

Just a rape or maybe a failure of birth control. Forced childbirth. In your world, the only people who have full rights are the rich. Nice. How about a 15 year old who relies on Medicaid? Same story, I guess.

What other forms of medical care do you believe should be denied the poor?

[berni_mccoy]

20. Apparently, you aren't a Democrat or Liberal unless...

You want to tax the rich 70-90% of their income (you'd be ultraliberal if you said 100%)

[unkachuck]

22. I haven't been a thumbsucking bedwetter....

....for weeks....explain to me again how actual progressive/liberal legislation and programs are going to come to fruition....

[Iris]

25. I wish someone would explain this thread to me.

Because so far it makes no sense at all.

[QC]

27. You are all flops. I am the base and you are all flops. n/t

[Iris]

28. So, what is the base again?

[mmonk]

35. I'm not ultraliberal either,

I've just been defined as such by both republicans and dems. This nation is a world different from what it was a few short years ago and everything has been redefined.

[Ufomammut]

37. I'm way to the left

And realize I'm definitely not representing a very shifted-to-the-right base. One way you can tell is by saying that, those that are representing that shifted-to-the-right base will necessarily insist that they're shifted to the center, and not the right. Never underestimate the power of denial :)

However, as leftie as I am, I'm not a pacifist: never in favor of it, but realistic enough to know that sometimes violence is unavoidable.